"Benjamin Ginsburg is an anti-semite?"

Why should that surprise you--because it sounds like a Jewish name? I don't believe that anyone is more less capable of any vice or virtue by dint of his race or ethnicity. To think so is a form of racism.

"Is it possible to convert him to pro-semitism by shouting vulgar expressions at him?"

I've got better things to do than waste my time trying to convert anti-semitic scum to anything.

"Or will cluster bombs be necessary again?"

Oh, I see. . . telling someone to fuck off is really just a step away from mass murder. It's all a matter of degree of violence, isn't it? Slippery slope, etc., etc. First you tell your neighbor to fuck off, next thing you know you're carpet-bombing his backyard, blowing his swimming pool to kingdom come. Thank you so much for pointing that out to me. You've really given me food for thought. God bless and peace, brother. Henceforth I will always strive to keep my heart as full and my head as empty as yours. :)

@ Not Allan December 11th, 2009 7:24 am: Ah, yes, the Ginsburg book excerpted on the neoNazi white-supremacist site StormFront.org. Well, at least now I know where you're coming from. Excuse me, Not Allan's parents must be very proud of their anti-semitic son.

It's reassuring, if typical, that you'll just take someone's word for it rather than checking for yourself, or thinking logically about what improbable methodology might be employed to conduct such a survey.

If you'd like to know what Jesus said about Gentiles, go read it for yourself -- it's in the Book of Matthew and I'd recommend the KJV. Perhaps while you're there you'll pick up some of Jesus' other notions you seem to have missed.

No, you don't know what the Talmud said about Jesus, since it's highly unlikely the Yeshu in the Talmud was the Christian Yeshua/Jesus. Here's what Lisa Katz wrote in "The Jewish View of Jesus":

"The story says that Miriam was either raped by or voluntarily slept with Pandeira, a Greek or Roman soldier. Miriam than gave birth to Yeshu, who was considered a "mamzer" (bastard), a product of an adulterous relationship. The Talmud describes Yeshu as a heretic who dabbled in sorcery and lead the people astray. Later, the Sanhedrin (the Jewish "Supreme Court") ordered Yeshu stoned to death and his dead body was hung from a tree until nightfall after his death, in accordance with the ancient Jewish punishment for heretics."
-- http://judaism.about.com/od/beliefs/a/jesus.htm

Since none of this matches the accepted story of Jesus, they are probably not the same person. (BTW, 'Yeshu' and 'Yeshua' were common Hebrew names at that time, similar to 'John' today.)

A bit of history:

After the Temple was destroyed in the Jewish Rebellion of AD73, there were few Jewish followers of Yeshua left. They had either fled Palestine or been killed. The mantle of 'Christianity' fell upon the Hellenistic churches in Turkey, Greece and Rome, founded by Paul and his followers. These groups of Jesus (Greek for Yeshua) followers found themselves increasing at odds with the Jews that remained in Palestine, led by what we now call Rabbis (those Pharisees who had collaborated with the Romans). This hostility is reflected in the literature of both groups (the Gospels and the Talmud). Before the War with Rome, Jews had no problem with the followers of Yeshua, led by his brother James. In fact, James was respected as a great teacher, and even allowed at one time into the Holy of Holies in the Temple to pray for Israel's redemption. The Yeshua followers were considered by Jews as a Jewish sect, much like the Essenes. They were good Jews, and followed the Torah (Laws of the Old Testament). The only thing that distinguished them from other Jews was their belief that Yeshua had risen from the dead, and was the Messiah.

So the attitude of Jesus in the Gospels towards the Jews, and the attitude of Jews towards 'Jesus' reflected in the Talmud, was the result of a situation in the late first and early second centuries when this literature was being written, years after the 'time of Christ' and even after the death of Paul. Most people (Christians included) don't realize that the Gospels were written by Paul's Hellenistic followers AFTER Paul founded his churches and wrote his letters (epistles), and not by the original Jewish followers of Yeshua. They were written partly as a response to the growing hostility with the Rabbis by these Greek and Roman Christians.

Jesus doesn't, he's too busy dissing the 'Scribes and Pharisees', in other words, the Jewish lawyers and teachers. The Gospels clearly show the bias of their Greek, Roman, and Hellenistic Jewish (Jews of the diaspora) writers.

Your (Ginspburg's) analysis of the situation is correct if you substitute 'some Jews' for Jews. Certainly the movie industry, ruled by Jews, proves his thesis. Through the movies, Jews taught Gentile American all about 'family values'. Most of the myths generated by the film industry are a Jewish creation. Jews have had to learn to live with Europeans and within Europe for several thousand years, amidst Christian bigotry. They have developed some pretty amazing survival mechanisms. Some of these have been damaging both to themselves and their 'hosts'. Jews for the most part aren't saints. Zionism proves that. Jews do tend to be a blessing to those who accept them (Zionism being a huge exception).

@ Not Allan December 12th, 2009 2:29 pm: To the last first: Jesus certainly does deride Gentiles in the NT, here's just a taste from Matthew KJV:

"And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?" (Matthew 5:47)

"And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words." (Matthew 6:7)

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5,6)

"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Beware of men; for they will deliver you up to councils, and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear testimony before them and the Gentiles." (Matthew 10:16-18)

NA, perhaps you're not really anti-semitic, but you're looking at this information from the wrong angle: Throughout history the struggle has been between the few wealthy and everyone else, and most of the conflicts in the world are based on the Haves vs. the Have-Nots, with the fight really about protecting the property and security of the Haves. The Haves will often disguise their motives under the mantle of religion, but no wealthy person truly believes in anything but money and the power that it brings. Do you think America is, or ever was, a Christian nation, or that most of the people in it are Christians? Hogwash -- if any American had to sacrifice the car, the house, the iPhone, the Gameboy and a comfortable life in the name of Jesus, you'd have few Christians left in the US. That's why our most popular Christian sects demand little sacrifice beyond the occasional collection-plate tithe and, in return, the pious get to think of themselves as righteous, 'saved,' and heaven-bound. It's just feel-good crapola for rank hypocrites or else it's hellfire and brimstone to peel a few more bucks from the suckers.

As far as Judaism, do you really believe the warmongering right-wing neocons in the Israeli government and this country truly believe in their religion? "Thou shalt not kill"? For that matter, do you really believe that the supposedly strict Saudi royal family actually practices their form of conservative Islam, except when they have to inside their own country? Go to any gambling joint in London or Monaco, or brothel in Amsterdam, and you'll find the pious Saudi royals whooping it up over gin and tonics while they shamelessly chop off hands and execute their own people for the same infractions of religious law and blame the Jews for keeping the average Saudi poor and ignorant. In the final analysis, every government and ruler uses religion to maintain control, and any religion that endangers that control ceases to exist. (How would our American aristocracy react if tomorrow a majority of Christians gave up everything to follow Jesus?) Do you really believe wealthy families do anything more than play their various religions for public show, and whatever gain they can take from it?

Rather than Jews, most of whom are decent people, perhaps your real issue is with the hypocrites and liars in the Power Elite who cynically create and assiduously feed these conflicts between us for their own profit and power.

As Robert Burns once wrote, he'd rather be "An atheist clean, Than under gospel colors hid be, Just for a screen."

Most of the word put into the mouth of 'Jesus' were products of the Hellenistic Enlightenment. By the time the gospels were written, Christianity had become a Pauline sect, not a Jewish one. Paul was a Hellenist Jew and his churches were made up of Hellenist Greeks and Romans. If James, who was the brother of a man called Yeshua (Greek: Jesus) is any indication, Jesus was a very strict Jew and to become his follower you needed to be a good Jew. Yeshua most likely resembled an Essene and his group might even have been a branch of the Essenes.

I don't know how you could outlaw Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, but it would be a good thing for the planet if they were ignored.

"Idiotic words written to put in the mouth of someone who never existed."
He may never have existed....but the passage is timeless common sense. As for the rest of your diatribe... it isn't worth a discussion.

If you really want to piss off the christian-right, tell them "If Jesus were alive today, he'd be working for ACORN."

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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

Suck up to bullies.