Tear Down This Wall!
As the world marked the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, activists in the West Bank enacted their own liberation by symbolically tearing down pieces of the wall that encloses two million Palestinians. Near Ramallah, hundreds of protesters in Nilin and the Qalandiya refugee camp managed to knock down sections of wall. In both actions, the Israeli army arrived to fire tear gas at the crowd. Video and photos here.

Twitter
StumbleUpon
Facebook
Delicious
Digg
Newsvine
Google
Yahoo
Technorati
26 Comments so far
Show Allthis comment just appeared in truthout; i think it's right on:
I have thought, for a while
Sat, 11/14/2009 - 23:02 — Monty Renov (not verified)
I have thought, for a while now, that, in the aftermath of the Nazi extermination during World War II, many Jews (& I speak as a Jew) entered into a mass state of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) from which they've never emerged or recovered - like a "nightmare" trance in which they are stuck. The symptoms are, & have been, so unmistakably evident, especially in right-wing religious groups such as Meir Kahana's "Kach", whose slogan was "Never Again" & whose vow was to "hit 'em back 10 times as hard as they hit us". This hypervigilant state, so typical of PTSD, reveals that those who evidence it are still experiencing an acute state of trauma, as if it were still going on now, over & over again, and as if there were the danger, at any moment, that "the worst" were about to occur, once more. As such, any "sign" or "omen" that symbolically portends such doom & imminent demise is magnified by the residual paranoia into "Uh-oh", here we go again!", accompanied by a tightening of the emotional armoring & a heightened readiness to go into pre-emptive battle in order to forestall "the worst" from happening. The only thing that can alter this mindset is a very deep, psycho-spiritual emotional healing of the Jewish psyche, on a mass scale, from the unprocessed, unaddressed & unhealed internalized emotional residues stemming from not only the Holocaust of WWII, but from centuries or perhaps millennia of pogroms, persecutions & annihilations. The result of these experiences is probably a lot of self-hatred, a sense of having been abandoned or betrayed by God (after he had allegedly forged a covenant with them), with a resultant deep-seated anger, rage, resentment & fear, which co-exist, all at a deeply unconscious level, because it would be much too traumatic to acknowledge to oneself that one feels such feelings towards God. It would stir up too much guilt & fear of punishment to realize they had such feelings... and to acknowledge that they might have even unconsciously believed that God might have even wanted to kill them ("otherwise", they'd reason, "how could He ever have allowed such things to happen?"). "So", they unconsciously reason to themselves, "if God won't be there to watch over us & prevent such unspeakable horrors from happening to us, then we'll just have to take things into our own hands". And, typically, one who embraces such an attitude soon becomes desensitized to their own potential for cruelty, reasoning unconsciously, "If no one was there to commiserate with and prevent our suffering, then why should there be someone there for you? ...if our suffering wasn't important enough to matter, than why should yours be?" But the pool of such collective pain, horror & anguish needs to be drained if there is ever to be a deep, transformational healing of the Jewish people's collective psyche that will finally free them to go forward into the future liberated from the fear, paranoia, rage & hypervigilance that have condemned them to experience themselves as being stuck inside of an ongoing vicious cycle of "I'm on the outside looking in". Unconscious, unresolved emotions, especially fear, constellate happenings in the life of a person (or a people) which have the function of bringing to the surface any unresolved emotions that are resonant with those happenings, which, on the spiritual level, is the way those emotions are finally purged from that being's consciousness (as in the oft quoted dictum: "You bring about, or are unconsciously attracted to, the very thing you fear!"). Now, how much better would it be to consciously & deliberately bring about the healing purge of those hidden, unresolved emotions than to continue to negate their existence, thereby leaving it to "the fates" to bring about another horrendous calamity through such an occurrence's resonance with those denied, unacknowledged, unaddressed, unhealed, unintegrated & unprocessed emotions? Hopefully, such a healing will occur "soon, & in our time". When it finally occurs, it will transform the whole world we live in with its impact, much for the better!
It is tragic farce and hypocrisy for Amerikans to blindly $upport the violent, bigoted, sexist, ethno/racist apartheid policies of Zionist fundamentalist wackos in the theocrazy of Israel.
For too long... the tail has been wagging the dog in $ewertown (Washington D.C.). And the tail has been wagging the dog for the $ake of AIPAC, a foreign based lobbyist group doing the bidding of Israel. Enough of this! When will Amerikans start putting their interests first?
And shame on the Jews too! Have you no common sense and compassion for other peoples? Other cultures? Indeed! It seems that too many Jews have become Nazis. Perhaps worse, the apartheid policies of Israel have branded every Jew on the planet as a racist and a bigot. See it! See it! This is NOT a good thing, and equally bad, the willfully ignorant (stupid) KKKristians in Amerika have been enabling the Zionist crazies in Israel to commit their ethno/racist evil, some of it bordering on genocide.
You are not fooling us anymore... and karma will not permit the evil that you do to continue much longer. Racist Zionist Israel and corp-rat fascist KKKristian Amerika tempt a terrible fate. Cease and desist from what you are doing, or the whole world will eventually rise up against you... laying waste to all that you love and cherish: your children!
Be sure and spell my name correctly for the files... "comrades!" I am the Court Jester... and I am 'espeaking' truth to you (and also to the ewe folks).
I see that the Israelis really want pieces:
Israeli forces have opened fire on Palestinian protesters in the West Bank village of Naalin, leaving two of them wounded.
Palestinians demonstrating against the Israeli separation wall, said Israeli forces resorted to force and used rifle fire against them during the rally on Friday, Yent reported.
Here is the link to the Ynet article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3804795,00.html
Please notice that the word Ynet used was "fence", and not "Israeli separation wall".
Don't you realize how ridiculous you look? Who cares if its a fence or a wall, anyway? It's not like Israel's crimes are going to go away just because it erected a fence until it got around to building a wall in some parts. It's like lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.
There is one big difference between the security barrier and the Berlin wall.
The latter was built to stop Germans fleeing East-German socialism from entering the capitalist west. (reduce freedom)
The former was built to stop suicide bombers from blowing up civilians. (save lives)
"The former was built to stop suicide bombers from blowing up civilians. (save lives)"
-----------------------------------
I have called you once on your lies but you refuse to answer the basic questions.
If the wall is there for security, why was it built on Palestinian land and why does the path it follows result in the theft of 10% of Palestinian lands.
Similarly, why is it that in many places the wall splits Palestinian towns and villages in half, splitting families apart and preventing many from seeing their friends and relatives?
And, why did Israel construct the wall so as to prevent many Palestinian farmers from working their farms or reaching their land?
And this fact should be made more public.
Far too many do not realize the many challenges the Israeli people must fact just to stay safe and live from day to day.
Thank you for making such a strong point here and in many of your past postings.
You are highly regarded and respected
And this fact should be made more public. Far too many do not realize the many challenges the Israeli people must fact just to stay safe and live from day to day. Thank you for making such a strong point here and in many of your past postings.
-----------------------------------------------
When citing a work of fiction, try to include the source so that others who like reading novels can enjoy the same reading material as you. Or, if you're smoking some hallucinogen, stay off the internet as your posts can be easily labeled "Posting while under the influence".
-------------------------------------------------
You are highly regarded and respected
-------------------------------------------------
Yes, in the animal kingdom.
Is your 'venom' something that you come by naturally?
Why do you insist upon attacking Letto when so many others agree with him/her?
Is your own insecurity so strong that you do not see the truth?
I thought that the blocking of Native son would have been enough to convince others that such anger could not be tolerated.
Are you also native american?
Have you ever set foot in Israel, let alone in the occupied territories of the West Bank?
The very lies in your post, the same lies that cover up atrocities, are the real venom.
And
שקרנים כמוך מגעילים אותי
ובהקשר לשטויות שכתבת לא נרא לי ששוה לבזבז עליך זמן
אתה בכלל ישראלי
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
The right wing zealots must face the fact that apartheid can not prevail.
The villagers of Qaryut are facing a new weekend tradition: the Friday removing of a roadblock. The morning of Friday, 5 November, saw approximately 200 villagers join forces in clearing a large earth mound that blocks Qaryut’spassage to Road 60, the route for travelling between Ramallah and Nablus. Although 15 soldiers, 2 Israeli police vehicles and one car of settlers (who halted to observe from Road 60) were awaiting the villagers’ arrival when they marched down to the roadblock, the action remained peaceful to the end. The soldiers and border guards had initially taken up position to defend the block, however they had no choice but to move back in the face of the large and determined crowd. While a group of mostly adult males remained at the road block,clearing it with spades, pick-axes and other basic tools, the rest converged between the roadblock and route 60 where a collective prayer was held, in which some 100 participated. Following this, the boys of the village played music and danced the Dabke, a traditional Palestinian dance. The road block had been created 2 days earlier, by Israeli forces armed with heavy machinery, after the village had already removed it once. It was about 4 meters tall and consisted of mammoth amounts of earth in addition to several huge boulders. The action was accompanied by members of ISM, CPT, IWPS and ProjectHope as well as Israeli anti-apartheid activists. Unsurprisingly, the Israeli Occupation Force returned later the same day to re-establish the roadblock, but the village of Qaryut is determined to stand up for its rights and plans to return next Friday to once again take down this illegal structure. I hope these Friday protests spread!
In the future when the world is no longer dominated by the negative hypocritical forces it now is dominated by and the Jews are forced to abandon their illegal possession of Palestine, and the subjugation of an entire people and culture; the world will have for an ever lasting example the nation/state of Israel.
A negative example.
A people that were 'expelled' from their homeland because they could not keep their treaties as a result of thinking themselves above all others.
Were 'given' a 'very generous' chance to become a shining beam of a positive example.
They chose to exercise the same attitudes and contempt for others that caused them to loose their 'homeland' in 80 A.D. at the hands of the Romans.
Their arrogance and conceit coupled with their lawless and deadly disregard for those who are NOT Jews will lead to their failure; soon most likely.
Since the Jews did not learn from their own mistakes two millennia ago, and repeated them in the middle of the 20th century with the same arrogance and bloodthirsty conceit; they should never be allowed to have their own homeland again.
Forced to wander the earth for the rest of time; as an example for those in the future who might repeat the arrogance of the Jews.
"Tear down this wall"?
Tear down Israel, and the wall will fall with it.
One can only hope.
Thank you for your time.
Here's the sort of thing our House members aproved of:
Israeli soldiers have opened fire on Palestinian civilians in the central Gaza Strip, killing a young man and critically wounding another.
A group of Palestinian boys were hunting birds on Friday, when they came under Israeli fire near Johr Ad-Dik, south of Gaza City, witnesses said.
Right, these young men were wandering around with guns right next to the security fence - hunting for birds. Very plausible indeed. By the way, the militant who was killed was 18 years old, about the same age as the Israeli soldiers. I'm sure Nahida wouldn't call the Israeli soldiers boys if they were killed in action.
"Right, these young men were wandering around with guns right next to the security fence - hunting for birds. Very plausible indeed. By the way, the militant who was killed was 18 years old, about the same age as the Israeli soldiers. I'm sure Nahida wouldn't call the Israeli soldiers boys if they were killed in action."
--------------------------------------------
And so by that rational, the Palestinians have every right to shoot at colonists in the West Bank seeing as those settlers are encroaching on Palestinian land and terrorizing Palestinians. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
When Palestinians shoot at Israeli soldiers or Hamas use rockets against Israeli tanks or Israeli towns, don't come whining. OK? Because if the Palestinians are committing terrorism - as you claim - then so is Israel. If Israel is only defending itself, then the Palestinians are doing the same, they are defending themselves. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
> When Palestinians shoot at Israeli soldiers or Hamas use rockets against Israeli tanks or Israeli towns, don't come whining.
So you support firing rockets at civilians. I'm not surprised. Like a few other persistent commentators on any item related to Israel, you fully support violence as long as its coming from 'your' side, and this includes violence that is deliberately directed towards unarmed civilians. The grievance of an Israeli mother who has lost her child is for you nothing but 'whining' - this dismissal of human life (if it's on the 'other' side) in a particularly derogatory style says, I'm afraid, a lot about how you think.
I have never said here or elsewhere that "Israel is only defending itself". I understand that there is a bitter conflict between Israel and the palestinians (more broadly, the arab world) that dates back a hundred years. Such a conflict can almost never be summed up in simplistic terms of "right and wrong" or "good and evil" a la George Bush. Let me remind you that it's not only I who cannot have the cake and it eat too, you can't do that either.
..Listen to the words of Professor!!! Arnon Sofer, the government consultant who did so much to help plan the isolation and imprisonment of Gaza, in a interview with the Jerusalem Post in 2004: “When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe,” Sofer predicted. “Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam*. The pressure on the border is going to be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day.” Sofer admitted only one worry with all the killing, which will, he says, be the necessary outcome of a policy that he himself helped to invent. “The only thing that concerns me,” he says, “is how to ensure that the boys and men who are going to have to do the killing will be able to return home to their families and be normal human beings.”...
Source: Interview with the Jerusalem Post in 2004 ("It's the demography, stupid", Jerusalem Post weekend supplement Up Front, May 21, 2004)
The last words make one think of the qualms Heinrich Himmler had, about how long young SS men could sustain acting at the continuous mass executions without turning crazy. As a consequence"the authorities of the 3rd Reich turned to industrially organized mass executions via (using) gas chambers"
Bernd Rosenlecher
I noticed that you use your reading comprehension disorder to your advantage. I commend you on that. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
As for my previous post, perhaps you've heard of hypocrisy and how that applies to Palestinian/Israeli relations.
Read this article:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254861893834&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
And quit posting propaganda drivel.
----------------------------------------------------------------
....you fully support violence as long as its coming from 'your' side,
----------------------------------------------------------------
I'm on the side of international law and I happen to be Israeli, so how does that fit into your spin and nonsense?
The hypocrisy is that when Hamas killed hundreds of Israeli civilians in deliberate attacks on buses, restaurants, shopping malls the UN didn't seem to care. Most Israelis remember this period very well, but perhaps you have a short memory. Further, when Hamas fired thousands of rockets and mortars targeted deliberately on Israeli towns and villages - there was no single resolution of the UN condemning these attacks. In retrospect this is now admitted by the Goldstone report to have been a war crime (and perhaps a crime against humanity, whatever that means) - but there was no single resolution of the UN while these attacks occurred. In a fascinating interview with Richard Goldstone by Charlie Rose recently, Mr. Goldstone acknowledged that Hamas acted deep from within civilian areas in Gaza, and also acknowledged Israel's right to defend itself from the rocket attacks - going as far as saying that no country would allow such attacks to go on (well, Israel waited 10 years). But when asked what Israel was actually allowed to do, given that Hamas militants were hiding behind the civilian population, his answer was that Israel should have sent commando forces to capture the Hamas militants. If you are indeed an Israeli as you claim, I'm sure you understand what would have been the consequences of such action: scores of Israeli soldiers killed (this of course doesn't matter) - and Israel still would have been portrayed as the aggressor. More broadly, why is it that other armies (Russia, NATO, UK, US) have killed far more civilians than Israel during recent conflicts, typically thousands of miles from their own territory, but this was never investigated by the Human Rights Council? There's your hypocrisy.
Part of the problem is that you are either unfamiliar with history and basic facts OR you omit that information on purpose.
1. The UN recognized Israel's legitimacy in 1948. It does not recognize Israel's violent military occupation of Palestinians which has lasted for more than 40 years now, especially since Israel invaded those areas in 1967 for the sole purpose of expanding its territory. Don't argue with me on this because I've proved you wrong four times in the past already and every time you come back with the same lies.
2. Israel is in violation of more than 80 UN resolutions. If you want the Palestinians to be held to the same standards then the Israeli government should end the occupation of Palestinian land and leave the Palestinian to establish their own sovereign state within the borders of 1967.
3. It seems you and your ilk in the Israeli government love to bring Hamas as the worst example of Palestinian resistance. It is, I won't dispute that. But, you ignore the non-violent, peaceful movements which have sprung up and continue to grow across the West Bank. Israel arrests non-violent protesters and throws them in prison under the "Administrative Detention" military authority. So, the actions of Hamas are just an excuse Israel and you use to justify the continued occupation. If the objective were the security and safety of Israelis, then what threat do those non-violent movements pose?
By the way, you continue to ignore my post below regarding the Apartheid Wall. What are you afraid of? Are your talking points limited in scope that they don't provide you with any rebuttals on the matter?
PS: Use paragraphs.
> 1. ... especially since Israel invaded those areas in 1967 for the sole purpose of expanding its territory. Don't argue with me on this because I've proved you wrong four times in the past already and every time you come back with the same lies.
You are delusional because we never had any exchange of comments on this matter. You are also delusional about the topic at hand and also quite full of yourself. If you care to peek outside palestinian and arab propaganda, which appears to be what shapes your world view, you will find that your understanding of the events is very unusual.
> 2. Israel is in violation of more than 80 UN resolutions. If you want the Palestinians to be held to the same standards then the Israeli government should end the occupation of Palestinian land and leave the Palestinian to establish their own sovereign state within the borders of 1967.
Except that the worst wave of palestinian violence in several decades came following the Oslo agreement, when Israel has made large concession towards the palestinians and was actively engaged in a peace process with them that most Israelis thought would lead to a palestinian state. Incidentally, this is a topic on which we did exchange comments before, and where it was I who proved you wrong. I'll be glad to provide once more the list of suicide attacks following the Oslo agreement.
> 3. But, you ignore the non-violent, peaceful movements which have sprung up and continue to grow across the West Bank. Israel arrests non-violent protesters and throws them in prison under the "Administrative Detention" military authority.
I urge you to try throwing stones at policemen or soldiers in a variety of countries (say, France, the US, Egypt, Russia) and see what happens.
> PS: Use paragraphs
Arrogant and obnoxious.
Mohawk:
You make some excellent points. It is impossible to deny them without abandoning logic and common sense. Obviously... YOU are a thinker... in lieu of blind believer pushing simplistic dogma. You would make a fine lawyer.
Have you read the Goldstone report?
I think KKKristians in Amerika blind-lie $upport racist/Zionist Israel to attenuate the collective guilt that they suffer from $lavery... not to mention three hundred years of genocide to $laughter 90 million+ native Amerikan peoples. If Jesus (a.k.a.: JEEEZASS!) ever came back to Planet Over-Birth Earth, he would NOT be a fascist KKKristian... and he certainly would NOT be a Zionist.
R.R.R.
Israeli soldiers are not supposed to be there in the first place seeing as they are on occupied Palestinian land.
And the "security fence" is actually an "Apartheid WALL" seeing as it IS a wall - parts where a fence was erected are just temporary - and the international court of justice ruled that it was illegal. But, since Israel doesn't abide by international law anyway, that fact should come as no surprise.
illegal occupation = illegal occupation = illegal occupation.
land stolen by "israel"=land stolen by "israel =land stolen by "israel", or better, the monstrous murdering and devouring thing that hides behind the name, "israel".
"