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Still Evil (And Twisting Facts) After All These Years
Thanks be to Albert Einstein, who taught us all things are relative. For all its very real imperfections, we feel a wave of gratitude for the Obama presidency every time some Bush-era weasel emerges out of whatever nasty hole he or she is inhabiting and starts spouting the usual fear-mongering, blood-tinged lies. Now Condoleezza Rice is saying that if we "abandon" Afghanistan, the terrorists will get us.
In a sickeningly ass-kissing interview that calls Rice "the should-be face of the GOP," Rice is portrayed as an "eloquent and elegant figure," concert pianist, Russian scholar and football fan who is "something of a rock star among the 'tween girl set," though documentation of this particularly bizarre claim is noticeably absent. Mostly, she is here to remind us once again that, "Every day, terrorists plot and plan to try to attack us."
The real outrage, though, is here:
"The last time we left Afghanistan, and we abandoned Pakistan, that territory became the very territory on which Al Qaeda trained and attacked us on September 11th. So our national security interests are very much tied up in not letting Afghanistan fail again and become a safe haven for terrorists...It's that simple. If you want another terrorist attack in the U.S., abandon Afghanistan."
Hello? If Afghanistan is so important, why did she and President whatzizname abandon it way back when in order to disastrously invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, thus causing Afghanistan "to fail again and become a safe haven for terrorists"?
The self-serving, logic-leaping, history-twisting lies go on. May the people who tell them get their just desserts.
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Show AllOh so Elegant, so Intelligent. No. She is a bald faced liar, a sociopath, a dried out smarty-pants suck-up who resembles Bride of Chucky.
Joe
Rice's military industrial media complex realizes that if the IrAfPak occupation ends, their revenue stream slows down and they will start feeling the effects of second great depression like the rest of us are.
Rice's mission is to assure that the IrAfPak occupation is eternal, thereby creating an eternal revenue stream for the miltary industrial media complex.
you do know that Dr. Rice has no political power now and Obama can end the wars today? yes? or is it all still Bush's fault?
I hate when people attribute thoughts to me that I do not have, and then ridicule those thoughts I do not have.
Joe
Yes. It is all still the fault of the Bush administration. Obama inherited a world and a nation engulfed in flames. He is trying his best to undo the damage.
Why are you blaming the firefighters instead of the ARSONISTS?
Good point, but we can also fault the firefighters for using gasoline instead of water.
Also a good point. Here is the difference (I hope): Afghanistan (and Iraq) are quagmires. There is no "victory" to be won. There's not even an identifiable "enemy", save for a small band of fanatical cave-dwellers. 9/11 was a horrendous crime, perpetrated by criminals. Charlie Manson also declared a "War on America". Did we respond by invading California with hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops?
Obama knows there are no good reasons for us to remain in either country. But he inherited this mess. It may take awhile (longer than 9 months anyway), and perhaps a few missteps, but I'm optimistic he'll ultimately do the right thing.
Because, you see, with all his faults, President Obama has two advantages his predecessors didn't have: One, he's not an evil, greedy sociopath. And Two, he possesses an I.Q. in the triple digits.
Agreed :-)
She means, if we abandon the pipeline route, her namesaked supertanker won't have anything to do.
You are no doubt referring to the SS Condiliar Rice.
If you ever needed a "Face of Evil" for the PosterChild of the new face of "Fascism in America" - you simply CANNOT top this.
This EVIL Douchebaggery Gap-toofed POS has always played a one-stringed bajoe... and that note was: "ALWAYS BE AFRAID".
My one greatest wish is: there is a special Super-Caldron in Hell reserved for only these types.
Sioux Rose
DERSUUSALA: You know what I see here? A frightened child. A little dark-skinned bright girl (who would be pretty were it not for fear's distortion broadcast across her countenance) brought into those rabid Southern Baptist churches where rants of "hell and damnation" got to her, and stayed. It always has fascinated me the degree to which Jesus taught the doctrine of forgiveness, and that so many of his self-proclaimed followers cannot get to, no less sustain that state. Condi is a Scorpio, and I remember how I felt when it was noted that she was shopping for shoes in NYC while so many citizens fought for their lives against rising contaminated flood waters in New Orleans (after Hurricane Katrina). This is a person who has learned NOTHING in the way of forgiveness, and thus believes in enemies the way a child in a horror film expects the ghost or monster to at any moment attack her. She is traumatized, the spiritual equivalent of a victim of a collective form of "Stockholm Syndrome" in my view. Tragic for herself, and moreso for our nation and those her power and influence helped to destroy. (I mentioned that she was a Scorpio because it is that sign's karmic lesson to indeed learn to transform hatred through the alchemy of applied forgiveness.)
You are a nice person, Siouxrose. I tend to see her more as an Eddie Haskell while growing up, but your interpretation is kinder. You consider her extra obstacles and show some compassion for the child. But when we grow up, at some point, no matter how bad our upbringing, if we are left with a shred of mentality (and she is a clever woman), we must take responsibility for the paths we take.
And yes, if her face were not so distorted by suppressing all her better nature, she could be a fine looking person. In fact, if we like someone, they become good looking.
Joe
Sioux Rose
Hi JOE, I know one person in this forum that would argue I am not nice at all. Be that as it may, I look for the higher meanings behind events and persons. At essence, each human being is a child of God/Goddess, progeny of the Light of Creation; but why then do so many depart from their Divine essence(s) to conceive of and participate in acts of abject brutality? A search for the answer (on my part) is driven by a wish to alleviate human sorrow and suffering. I feel it in myself and I feel it when it's done unto others. It's led me to believe that spiritual realization could help to turn this awful condition around. Of course in this forum we also locate those economic changes and political necessities that would help to bring a far more just and sane society about. Like the Ancient Senate of Greece, it seems to me that many of us in this forum are its descendants. Now we meet in virtual space to argue, discuss, debate, and entertain the pertinent issues of our times. Perhaps the best of our ideas and enterprising thought processes are carried on the wings of the wind further than we may imagine. I, for one, hope so.
Sioux Rose
Explanation: owing to our DNA we are still members of the wild animal world notwithstanding our propensity to deny it.
Another dose of mind control drugs from Pusher Media, where people who have been wrong about everything get all the airtime they want, while those who have been right all along get to suck wind.
I think I'm having an allergic reaction.
Just imagine the "wicked snarl" you could develop if you bred Prick Cheney and Condom Lice--the hateful face would be sooooooo fierce it would make converts of everybody--no one would ever want to face it in hell.
Sioux Rose
CAPTAIN: I think a Cheney mask would be a great and popular-selling Halloween item, sure to scare off the neighbors and their kids! Maybe a Condi one should be included.
Since these war criminals will never see the inside of a courtroom, why doesn't someone just assassinate them?
Because they're not worth the price of the gunpowder needed...
Have you noticed on all the MSM news broadcasts they are now repeating every hour, "Terrorists may attack mass transit, sports or entertainment venues." Sorry, they cried wolf and manipulated the media too many times. Nobody is listening.
The important thing here is to remember that it is not necessarily foreign terrorists but those here in america hiding under the flag of patriotism and think that the people need another 'attack' to rev up the war wagons again, all brought to U.S. by the military industrial congressional complex.
So don't think these things won't happen because some of those 'foreign' terrorist has flown in to blow things up, those people directing this country are perfectly capable to do it without outside help which is sort of curious since there seems to be a bigger call to get out of afganistan.
Yes, I've noticed. The big PR firms must be pulling their hair out trying to figure out why they can't jerk our chain like before. The quiet desperation and helplessness we have felt has transformed into an unshakable resolve to reject MSM propaganda. It's great to know the evil ones are squirming. Pulling out a low cred mouth piece like C. Rice means they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Why is this war criminal still at large?
sounds like racism to me and unlike Barack, Dr. Rice is 100% black AND a female. Oops, my bad. Only dissent against African American leftists is racism!
You right wing racists don't get it do you? The far right wing criticism of Obama is racist, because it is focusing on idiocies such as his supposed Kenyan birth certificate, his supposed hidden Muslim belief, etc.
Also, Obama isn't a leftist. But then, to right wingers such as you who regard him as a Socialist Fascist, words are meaningless. You don't even understand what they mean.
I get pretty sick of seeing and reading about the sorriest people to ever get into positions of power but NEVER EVER did any kind of sevice to this country by serving in the military and actually being in combat and yet they appear time and again spouting their 'ideas' of what is about to happen and why and what to do about it, as long as they or their family members and friends don't have to get in harm's way.
And since the picture of traitor condi rice is on this article it is depressing to me to see that though minorities can be elected, as with obama, or appointed into office, as with bitch rice and colon powell, they sure don't promote a feeling of confidence or real patriotism just as their 'white' mentors don't either.
Her and Bush should not have abandoned it in 2003 then....Dr.Rice; Heal Thyself
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Sioux Rose wrote:
"She is traumatized, the spiritual equivalent of a victim of a collective form of "Stockholm Syndrome" in my view. Tragic for herself, and moreso for our nation and those her power and influence helped to destroy."
Thank you, Sioux Rose, for your voice of understanding and compassion, even for those whose evil acts have been so destructive. Over the years I have struggled to understand what "forgiveness" really means in practice, as there is so much confusion around it. To forgive does not mean to exonerate, excuse or forget. It does not mean that justice no longer needs to be served.
Desmond Tutu has spoken profoundly on the subject, out of South Africa's deep pain:
"To forgive is not just to be altruistic. It is the best form of self-interest. It is also a process that does not exclude hatred and anger. These emotions are all part of being human. You should never hate yourself for hating others who do terrible things: the depth of your love is shown by the extent of your anger.
However, when I talk of forgiveness I mean the belief that you can come out the other side a better person. A better person than the one being consumed by anger and hatred. Remaining in that state locks you in a state of victimhood, making you almost dependent on the perpetrator. If you can find it in yourself to forgive then you are no longer chained to the perpetrator. You can move on, and you can even help the perpetrator to become a better person too."
Peace,
Nyssa
Sioux Rose
NYSSA: Eloquent. I would say that it is not for ME to forgive Condi, that is an act that must exist between her and God, or those she has directly trespassed against. One caveat that is important for me, given my wish to believe in Divine Justice, is that the one granted forgiveness must truly follow the teaching of Jesus, which is to GO AND SIN NO MORE. It's been parodied in films about organized crime that some of the figures high up the chain of command socialize with persons in clergy. This idea that a person need only walk into a confession booth to become instantly absolved (especialy if they tithe generously to their church) is dangerous. The release and forgiveness come (or should) when behavior alters. This shows a genuine reformation process in the one who previously did not acknowledge the sanctity of life--others' lives to be exact. For a serial killer to make confession only to return to "the trade" is antithetical to any sound prescription for justice or the law and order a sane society depends upon.
Do you agree?
Most people do not understand that evil is its own punishment--even if the perpetrator gets away with it outwardly, he or she can NEVER get away with it INWARDLY. And therein lies his or her ONLY chance for salvation.
Sioux Rose
CHESSGAME: I subscribe to the Buddhist view that debts are incurred and the process of repayment can (and does) take MANY lifetimes. It is ALSO true that a person given to dark, selfish deeds is haunted by such behavior. Unfortunately as I'm sure you realize the privileges of power, added to a 24/7 noise machine and cities that never sleep provide ample distraction for those who firmly wish to turn off the control panel of inner conscience. And when all of those applications fail, there's always alcohol, anti-depressants, and street drugs which go a long way towards cutting off the remaining elements of sentience.
It may be that the ONLY time we ever have is NOW, rose, whether it be in this present moment or the present moment of another lifetime (if there be such a time). You can THINK about yesterday and tomorrow, but can only do it in whatever present moment you find yourself. And seeing the darkness in that moment (without indulging in it or becoming self-absorbed with it) is the first step toward reaching the Light. Seeing evil as evil without justification, condemnation, or identification must, of necessity, weaken its grip.
When you bring thought-time into it (i.e., there is tomorrow, or another lifetime,) there is no urgency for change. Consider, too, that reaching the Light might not be a foregone conclusion, and perhaps it is possible to get so entangled in the web of darkness that one will no longer WANT to find his way out, and thus it becomes highly IMPROBABLE that he ever will (Vernon Howard once said that it is possible to fall so in love with the evil of ego that one will never want to break out; in that state, he or she glorifies their self-pain, and fights against anyone or anything that points to inner freedom. He says that such a person senses the truth, and immediately takes it as his or her enemy). If he is born into another incarnation, his essence carries with it a strong TENDENCY for [that same] evil. Does that mean Condi, for example, will follow the same 'course of evil,' and her life spiral downward at an earlier and earlier age within successive incarnations (or some might favor the theory of 'recurrence' here, which is a separate discussion in itself)?
While it is comforting to believe that everyone eventually 'makes it' [to the Light, Brahma, nirvana, moksha, born again state, or whatever you wish to call it], and that we have infinite incarnations to do the necessary work, it may be entirely false. Worse, since there is no such thing as a 'static state,' spiritually speaking, such a belief is likely to allow one to fall deeper into darkness and ignorance.
Sioux Rose
CHESS: You hit on one of the great paradoxes, to embrace the power of the now, without losing sight of the soul's belonging to eternity. Hey, this IS an apparent polarity planet, what with night and day, male and female, and so forth. Duality, dichotomy, and related states come with the turf! There are those who think all human attempts to provide meaning represent mere projections. I am not in that camp. I believe there are universal laws, principles that are inviolate and that earth, functioning as a school house, demands of citizens that they eventually gain mastery of these aspects.
I understand your point, that if one takes in the grand arc of ALL time, it might lead to an abuse of this moment. One way to abuse it is through neglect. However, I happen to believe that if the law of karma was taught there would be less evil. Persons would not feel they gain clemency, attain exoneration just because Grace delivers it. Like those things most appreciated, they would understand that these Divine gifts must be earned through good deeds.
I think your nature is a bit more analytical than mine. You definitely analyze down to the minutest detail (and wrestle with your own mind and logical processes all the way, kind of LIKE playing chess with yourself). Many things I have been shown and have come to recognize at an instinctive level. For instance, how would one explain color in such a way as to make it visceral, as opposed to relating the scientific explanation behind the phenomenon? I'll leave it at that. I don't think you and I are disagreeing, just peeling the onion or lotus to different levels and trying to define what we experience in that process.
Perhaps, and passing on the admonitions of some teachers I've had along the way. For example, Krishnamurti, often said not to focus on reincarnation but the patterns that recur in one's life by way of self-observation--to understand if one can be free of the conditioned self. Guy Finley and Vernon Howard say we cannot be passive or neutral to evil; whether we like it or not, we are forced to choose, mainly because of the little known and understood psychological laws that govern the universe, specifically the universe of our mind. Lack of understanding of the nature of self (unconsciousness, or in Buddhist terms, ignorance) MUST lead us to increasing darkness by DEFAULT.
Karma is really only psychological momentum that tends to continue to push us in whatever direction we are presently heading (akin to the force of habit), and can eventually corrupt essence (which includes tendency). Psychologically, the vast majority of human beings can be likened to a truck driver who's asleep at the wheel, while his rig is accelerating downhill. Asleep and dreaming, the truck driver is oblivious to his peril (paralleling spiritual sleep). To change his course, he must wake up and hit the breaks.
According to some notable mystics, the absolute worst thing that can happen to someone is that he lose his possibility for awakening. Negative Karma, then, increases one's psychological darkness, even if he or she does not meet with negative external events. Thus, one watching the events of the world might think there is no REAL justice, and become cynical and/or atheistic. That is also why those that are spiritually asleep love to take revenge, and jump to retaliate--in one way or another--for any perceived wrong. Eye for an eye, cruelty for a cruelty, ad infinitum.
Good point about abuse of the moment, and also organized Christianity's abuse of forgiveness, where they say God will forgive them for their sins just for the asking, while condemning non-believers for those very same sins (i.e., they cannot be forgiven because they did not accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior).
You and I do agree that there are definite universal laws that govern being. I'd add there are psychological laws as well (what you might call Karmic Law). Playing chess with yourself? It's great because you can never lose. :D And perhaps you are correct, rose, intellect and intuition can enhance one another as well as work in opposition. Krishnamurti once said to penetrate the 'other' we much have a mind that's sharp as a needle and strong as a diamond.
For me, mental clarity is not so much a 'problem' as translating what I intellectually understand into being. Anyone along the spiritual path must wrestle with desire stemming from conditioning and tendency.
For most, this necessitates a long and difficult struggle (here I think of poor Frodo's ascent up Mount Doom). It's interesting that so many believe they can be 'purified' without going through the purification process, meaning without letting go of vanity and desire. In the modern world we live, the majority seem to want something for nothing, and life simply does not work that way, on any level.
Well, I agree. Repentance without restitution and reformed behavior is nothing at all.
However, I firmly believe that C. Rice should move to Afghanistan and stay there for the rest of her days. When shrub gets kicked out by Laura, he can go join Rice in Afghanistan and continue their S&M games with each other.
A Course In Miracles goes into such depth on forgiveness, it just resonates. Old habitual thinking about forgiveness is undone, and there is another way to see it.
hey condi rice - did you think it was nice
to try to scare us with mushroom skies?
the smoking gun was the CIA note;
the one you hid and tried not to quote.
I think their fear is real.
Not logical, but real. And for reasons I can't understand they can not move beyond force as their only means for dealing with such problems.
The Neocon conception of converting Iraq into a mini US was crazy. But how many in the Bush administration believed in Armageddon? How many grads from Regent University did he sprinkle about?
Neocon Cool Aid indeed!
I recently watched an interview with Senator Hutchison of Texas who argued that we have to stay in Afghanistan in order to defeat al Qaida. To protect American freedom. Now you can't get much more illogical than that. But that's where they are. And military power appears to be their only answer.
Even if we turned Afghanistan, the entire Mid East, into rubble, we could still be attacked. But force is the only lid they understand to prevent all this. Never mind al Qaida can be almost anywhere and that it only takes a few determined, well funded individuals to do a great deal of harm.
Condi is a lousy pianist, by the way. Very cold and academic. She only knows how to hit the keys. But it's not just her or Republicans. How many politicians can you think of who can play an instrument with real soul?
Sioux Rose
QUINTY: When the heart is closed--as it must be in her case to countenance proximity to acts of barbarity--there IS no passion; and therefore piano playing, as you mentioned, would be like a puritan doing repeated recitations of scales. Although she keeps a nice figure, I would not be at all surprised if she suffered from heart disease. I cannot imagine those veins allowing blood to flow, that a warm-blooded being exists as a viable force in the entity of her body.
"I cannot imagine those veins allowing blood to flow"
Exactly... except for other people's blood.
Yes, other people's blood is always expendable. Always for a "good" cause. We see that everywhere, not just on the world stage.
Or her mind.
I kind of like the fact that she's very very afraid. If her neocon view of world domination should come to an end, I'm all for it.
O Condo-Sleazza, go back to your classroom and shut the hell up!
Always the same fear-stirring rant. You're just a broken record.
Sure , we are months away from renewing the Patriot act or passing the Justice act and the token terroist arrests have begun.
Just another right wing neocon fear mongering move to keep warrantless surviellance and the money train in high gear for the Bush cronies still holding positions of abusive power.
Because Bush spent billions creating the right wing spy network, we need to pass the Justice act , impliment oversight and make sure all abuse is punished ,,
NO IMMUNITY !!!!!!!!!!!!
BORNFREEMEN , VICTIM OF WARRANTLESS SURVIELLANCE GANG STALKING TORTURE BY RIGHT WING CONTROLLED FUSION CENTERS, MILITANT CHRISTIANS , FIREFIGHTERS , EMS WORKERS, INFRAGARD, AND THE FBI.
Your fears are not ours
Condisleeza Rice will go down in history as one of the main lackeys of Dubya, Cheney, & Co. Considering that early during the Bush error she was being talked up as a potential future presidential candidate, her deserved fall from grace is more than justified. What would be true justice short of a deserved term in prison is that she be required to spend the rest of her days either picking trash on Iraqi highways or on janitorial detail at any US military cemetery.
I say let the Afgans and Iraq enemy that Bush, Cheney and Condisleezy made be allowed to come here and hunt members of that regime down destroy them then return home and everyone live happily ever after.
Yeah - anyone who wants to "smoke 'em out" should get a gun and a backpack and roam around the mountains and plains of Afghanistan or Iraq or Pakistan and do so. Just don't involve our kids in your stupid old man fantasies.
Joe