To: «The Truth, Wingnut Variety»

"Why should a Presidents birth certificate be shielded from his "con-stitch-u end see"?"
- It isn't, as the certificate has been presented to the public by the notary-authorities in Honolulu.

Cf: «... the Director of the Hawaiian Department of Health who verified that the State had Obama's "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures".»
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories)

"What the hell kind of legal document is supposed to be accepted as a photocopy?"
- One certified by a notary.

"Obama's grandmother, now suspiciously dead, ..."
- You imply Obama was an accomplice in killing his grandmother? - Don't you think that's a bit unlikely?

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Obama's just another president-marionette who's good intentions and understandings are deceived, eroded and sapped away by Special Interests.

There's a lot of little conspiracies going on among the elite power-wielders, of course, as "conspire" means "breathing together" - in the sense of cooperating without announcing it. But we all do, with our friends and circles: sometimes the cooperation amounts to fraudulent behaviour, usually not.

The supposed Alex Jones-like conspiracy where everything in the world is mapped out and planned years, decades or centuries ahead by a BIG conspiracy of shady rich people - with David Rockefeller as their Grand Old Man - doesn't exist. The world is too uncertain for that - too many variables for successfully maintaining such a grand overview.

Whatever the power-elites are up to, it's not secret. Those groups depend on the same communication-channels for the collusions (developing tacit recognition of overlapping self-interests) happening as everybody else.

Such plans, connections and collusions news-corps may be deliberately trying to spam into obscurity, e.g with Michael Jackson-news, in our available media: magazines, books, newspapers, internet publication, ether-media, etc. But that clogging and cluttering hampers their own exchanges of ideas and memes, too. And all big colluding groups have - depend on - "trade-magazines" where their intentions are plainly presented. And can be seen by all who seek that knowledge. Remember: all big groups need methods of communication - media - to keep going. That leaves all necessary indications available to others, too, when facts are sought to see if, when and how such a group has overstepped the boundaries of morality or law.

Most often - though sometimes not - "Big Secrets" fit the initials BS. There are a lot of small and bigger conspiracies happening. But the alleged BIG secret conspiracy isn't, can't be, managable to hold quite as secret as claimed. They're people too (at least part of the time, even to the "reptilianists"), with all the accumulated human fallacies and distractions.

Anyone really searching for actual info of the many well-accepted cooperations termed "conspiracy", will by e.g net-searching easily find an overall understanding of which real "conspiracies" are current and not. Takes a little work over a sustained period (to learn what some tendencies actually lead to) of time, but is quite reassuring: Our Source Nature (I believe in OSN rather than GOD) overwhelms culture every time, when we establish an opposition between them.

Of course, that's still not very reassuring to the one billion living in starvation and the 30.000 of them starving to death every day - 10 million a year, 1 every 3 seconds. They're caught in the opposition to Nature caused by our dated trade-systems and trade-manners.

Alex Jones and other "conspiracy-buffs" are long on heckling, short on alternatives and practical solutions. - Or do they mean that the world's power-people shouldn't talk undisturbed at any time, plus refrain from cooperation? - The issue isn't cooperation/"conspiracy" or not, but transparency in big cooperations going on. But most collusions are quite see-through. Such is my experience.

Why does it matter so much with this birth-certificate anyway? Afraid Obama's too much of an internationalist, connected more to Earth than to the USA only? - Sure seems so.

But relax, all conspiracy-overdoers - you're probably living a fairly good life anyway, as indicated by your presence on the internet. You're yourselves part of the billion-strong elites of the Earth with internet-access, the internet-elite. Imagine how "conspiratorial" that exchange-"club" must seem to the other 6 billion.

I remember the names but not their tunes or faces. Just as well.

Yes.
Pat Boone doing Heavy Metal - isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Is it Heavy Metal Light? Aluminum?

If you look in most republican born-again closets, there's a good chance you'll find some leather.

Both very valid comments.....but especially the first one.

What ever happened to Pat's white sport coat, and pink Carnation?

The difference is that the birth certificates, as proof of eligibility, are constitutionally required. If it's no big deal, just release them.

NeoFauve June 30th, 2009 8:06 am.............After causing that fire on the Forrestal, he should have been put on a desk, but the Admiral, his pop, cleaned the mess up from what I have read.

When W was gov of Texas his Mommy Karen Hughes removed all records of Bush's (lack of) activity with the Air Guard, by her own admission, to be sure that nothing turned up at a later date which could "embarrass the governor." This is all well documented.

Mummmm......you are Pat? Got any leathers?

Jarhead I go th... June 30th, 2009 9:39 am.......Hate to say it, my friend, but you lost track of Pat Boone...this is a legitimate photo.

Well, I disagree with you that rule of law should always be trumped for something that "enhances democracy", since there is far more to democracy than voting. As well, I question how fairly-run the referendum would have been, since the President of Honduras originally asked the military to distribute the ballot boxes to polling centers, then demanded the chief of the military and the equivalent to the secretary of defense resign when they refused. That does not seem democratic to me. What would you have though if Bush had asked Rumsfeld and the DoD to distribute ballot boxes and/or run the 2004 election?

I have to slightly disagree with you. In principal, you're right - at least in dealing with normal laws. The "native born" issue is, however, a Constitutional qualification. It was put in place for very important, timely reasons (so that a foreign ruler/leader couldn't usurp the presidency). That's not really a danger in the same way anymore as it was when this country was just a few years old, but it is still a Constitutional requirement. If we feel it is outdated and unnecessary then fine, but then the Constitution needs to be amended - we can't just "vote" on it during a presidential election. That violates the purpose of the Constitution. Granted, it's not a "big deal" in and of itself, but what happens when you've set precedence? Suddenly the whole Bill of Rights, or any other part of the Constitution could be nullified through a spur-of-the-moment popular vote - legally. Bad situation.

Granted, Bush criminally violated many parts of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, but that doesn't mean it was right, or that we should ignore the foundation of our system of government (or that he should get away with it).

I think it is outdated. It should, at least, be changed to a time limit, similar to the "lived in the country for 14 years." Perhaps at least 20 years as a citizen? But it needs to be changed properly, through an amendment to the Constitution. Regardless, it doesn't matter in Obama's case because his mother was a U.S. Citizen. He could have been born on Mars and he'd still be a U.S. citizen. There's some weird stipulation in some law somewhere that these nuts like to harp on, something about how his mom was too young and she needed to have been a citizen for 10 years, 5 of which after she turned 16 (she was 18 when she had him). That sounds like a load of bull to me, and even if it is a real law, it's not a constitutional law, and thus could be challenged in court (at most it's a supreme court ruling on the interpretation of the constitution and could still be changed).

"Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the shadow"

Ha-ha. Concur.