The depravity of these right-wing terrorists is the atmosphere and the cause of the cold- blooded murder of Dr, Tiller. They are accomplices in this crime and should be brought to justice.
When ideology as activism becomes hate-speech and then stalking, then murder, every step along the way should be found accountable.
Posted by Siouxrose
Jun 2 2009 - 11:46am
Sioux Rose
SEVENPOINT MAN: I agree with your contention.
When we add the amount of hate being spewed by the right wing media pundits, to:
the amount of weapons on our streets, to
the vendettas sent into psychic motion by all those incarcerated for nonsensical things like smoking grass, to
the desecration of women (and the Divine feminine) through a proliferation of a very disturbing and disgusting sort of pornography, to
a Hollywood movie machine constantly upping the ante on violent scenes of explosive force that invoke in many an attraction to this sort of "thrill," to
the engineered gutting of our nation's industrial base leaving many young persons with few attractive career options, thus enter: the military recruiting station, to
leaders who set up "us versus them" ideological propositions
while church "spiritual" guides invoke in their flock a hatred of "other" as they falsely lay claim to a righteous reason to excuse their extermination, to
industrial effluents poured out everywhere in a wonton killing of the natural world, to
a completely debased disregard for life and its myriad eco-systems...
Taken in sum we can't help but note that we are dealing with a nation that has lost its moral compass and is cascading at breakspeed into the abyss while taking as many innocents along as it can claim.
Yes! It would help if those who use their pulpits (the air waves belong to the public, NOT the broadcast corporations who rent them back to us via cell phone signals, TV reception, Internet access, etc) to invoke intolerance were held accountable! It's ONE place we can stop the engine of Mars rules before it incinerates all things of beauty, value, and purpose!
Posted by KitKennedy
Jun 2 2009 - 10:03pm
WTF are you saying ????????????????
Posted by Jarhead
Jun 2 2009 - 11:03am
O Reilly looks as sick as his girlfriend Dickieboy Cheney. Another slimeball from Fox propagander T.V.
Posted by George Markley
Jun 2 2009 - 11:18am
Why are we still looking at Bill O'Reilly or anything from Fox? I always surf right on by the Fox news network, on my way to Free Speech TV. Fox is simply a paid program network, bought and paid for by the far right. It is worse that anything in Soviet Russia--or Nazi Germany, for that matter--that is, if you want to get any actual news. Is Bill O'Reilly supposed to be the new right wing pundit, taking over for William F. Buckley Jr.? If so, all he does is show the absolute lack of any cognitive ability of any right wing spokesman. I never thought I'd miss good old Willy.
Posted by NativeSon
Jun 2 2009 - 11:58am
Your comment about "bought and paid for by the far right" is worthy of elaboration.
Since O'Reilly ( marginally intelligent at his best ) could 'receive' such a wide audience as to be in such a high valued "broadcast time slot" ---which by the way is averaging well over $1,000,000.00 per minute in value----no one, even Rupert Murdoch, would deny Mr. O'Reilly his say---.Since there are so many who would listen to his idiotic moronic and senseless rantings---and then buy the products/services being advertised on those 'commercial breaks', it would be foolish as a business enterprise NOT to give O'Reilly a 'show'.
The point is this, if there were NOT such a 'stupid audience' for Mr. O'Reilly he would be forced to seek employment more suited to his skills ability and IQ---something like a 'waste removal technician' at the "porta-toilet collection station"---or better yet, a Cabinet member on the "Rush Team" running for office in 2012, he might even make a better VP than Rush himself----you're laughing I can hear it---but try to remember that GW Bush was elected TWICE by the same people who listen to Mr. O'Reilly------if that doesn't scare you then you must be a 'pet rock'.
And then there is the visitor from another 'solar system' who visited earth recently and sent back reports to the effect:" we can save great resources by simply waiting for the planned "invasion" of Earth.
The dominate power on this planet is an nation of fools known as the USA; it appears that they are in their last days and a major 'self destruction episode' is imminent---any day now, and the survivors will be so few as to present no resistance to a takeover. The "occupation of the planet" however will be difficult since they are really making the entire planet a very nasty mess environmentally."
Good Luck America, you really need it.
Posted by Siouxrose
Jun 2 2009 - 3:33pm
Sioux Rose
NATIVE SON: Wonderful post. I think a toilet cleaner should be designed in Bill O'Reilly's name (and image and likeness). The product "Full of shit no more!" would also unclog drains of years of funk.
Posted by elainem
Jun 2 2009 - 9:08pm
I was gonna say, "bring on the visitors, we might have a chance with them", but maybe they're already here?
Posted by KitKennedy
Jun 2 2009 - 10:06pm
WTF are you saying ????
Posted by Zapatista
Jun 2 2009 - 11:32am
@George Markley...it is most certainly NOT worse than anything out of the USSR or Nazi Germany. Let's not be as inflammatory as O'Reilly. The Nazis used their propaganda machine to justify the murder, enslavement, and incarceration of millions, as did the USSR under Stalin.
O'Reilly is a liar, a blowhard, a chronic exaggerator, and one of the most divisive figures passing for journalists today. Let's stick to the accurate descriptions that can be backed up with facts, and not give him and his people more ammo.
We have to lead by example. Because the chances of convincing the right-wing that they're wrong is slim to none if all we do is call them names. Didn't we learn anything in kindergarten?
Posted by NativeSon
Jun 3 2009 - 9:55am
Zapatista, (A great name)
A very good point, but if you have ever had 'kindergartners' in your care, you will remember that you did not speak to them with the same vocabulary that you would say, a junior at the local University.
If you are communicating with simple minds---you waste your time if you do not communicate with them on the best level of their comprehension.
It is difficult for intelligent people to communicate with those who are on a "lower frequency" without bringing down the quality of the vocabulary.
Posted by gracchus
Jun 2 2009 - 12:18pm
BillO the Clown needs to go to jail for inspiring someone to commit murder. Even though BillO did not directly pull the trigger, he pulled the trigger. I hope to see him in a different striped suit - one with numbers and jail location stenciled on it.
Posted by KitKennedy
Jun 2 2009 - 10:26pm
POTUS BO signed the bill this weekend allowing "prolonged detention" for American citizens who are even thinking about committing a crime, which is much less than inciting someone else to commit a crime, so doesn't that qualify for FOX BO to be put in jail??!! wow that's cool, barack and bill have the same initials. does anyone know what FOX BO's middle intitial is? That way I can call POTUS BO just BHO, and FOX BO B_O if only I knew FOX BO's middle name. anyway this is cool that POTUS BO signed this bill secretly over the weekend, now he can throw B_O in jail and then Sean Hannitty, and then Rush Limbaugh, and then Michael Steel, and then Glen Beck, and then Neal Cavuto, and then Greta van sestern, and then rupert murdock, and then shepard smith, and then all those blonde babes that read the news breaks, and then greg gutfeld, and then POTUS BO can then move over to the Wall Street Journal and put the entire editorial board in jail, and oh yeah, I forgot about MICHAEL SAVAGE AND MARK LEVIN !!!!!!!!! And then he could put Mike Gallagher in the same cell with ANN COULTER AND MICHELLE MALKIN !!!!!! Come on people, who am I forgetting here??? There's gotta be some more people Obama can put in jail now that he signed the prolonged detention bill. Oh yeah.....DICK MORRIS & NEWT GRINGRICH!!!! AND DICK CHENEY AND LIZ CHENEY!!!!!!
Posted by jimmyjazz
Jun 2 2009 - 12:27pm
The only rationale anyone could use for killing an abortion provider is that he is killing "human beings" at work, but if you are a religious kook and believe that a fetus has a soul, why target a man who is specifically well known for late-term abortions? The religious position on abortion is completely incomprehensible.
Posted by chameleon
Jun 2 2009 - 12:48pm
If I was either a "progressive" or a "conservative" I would kinda keep my piehole shut about both the murder of Dr. Tiller and the soldier at the recruiting office. Both actions are results of hatred spewed by the media oulets.
Posted by dpjr
Jun 2 2009 - 12:55pm
If I believed, as apparently the shooter of Dr. Tiller did, that he was indeed killing other humans, it would seem his principles would compell him to take action. As a nation we have a long history of just such behavior, given that we have made efforts to kill those we perceived of as committing unjustifiable murders, like Sadam, Hitler, Castro, though these men beleived their own killings were justifiable. I may believe it justifiable to kill the killer of my daughter, even though the law prohibits it. What is the difference? The morality of this event is relative to the values of the individual,is it not? How does your belief that the fetus was not a unique living human being trump his belief that it was?
Posted by nicholas101
Jun 2 2009 - 12:56pm
In America it's okay to be a terrorist as long as you are right-wing! Why is this the case? Because the law enforcement community is also right-winged. The good old boy network! Shame on them and us!
Fox spins when it isn't out-and-out lying. Don't know why anyone listens to them in the first place.
Posted by Progressive_Patriot
Jun 2 2009 - 2:55pm
The way O'Wrongly keeps saying, "Tiller ... the ... baby ... KILLER", is done specifically to incite hatred within his listening audience. It is done specifically to _control_ their thoughts and lead them into acting upon that hatred.
I believe he and Limbaugh are complicit in any crimes that their listeners commit, and yes, the last time I checked, MURDER of a doctor who performs abortions was still a crime. The wrong-wing nut cases might not think so, but they don't have a single personal thought in their heads.
Posted by Caique
Jun 2 2009 - 3:04pm
On July 27, 2008, Jim David Adkisson entered the Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, armed with a shotgun and at least 76 shells. Before he could be subdued, Adkisson killed two and wounded at least six.
A note later found in Adkisson's car said that since he couldn't kill the liberal leaders who are runing this nation he would kill those who voted them into office.
Two days later, the Knoxville police held a press conference in which they said that they found copies of books by Michael Savage, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly in Adkisson's home.
Fox News, which had covered the tragedy extensively immediately dropped the story, and it was reported that they purged their database of all references to it.
Posted by swanne
Jun 2 2009 - 4:57pm
I wonder what would have happened if Andrea Macris (sp?) had said "OK" to Billo's advances and then had gotten pregnant?? Who wants to bet Billo would have had her in the local "womens clinic" faster than anything else he's ever done in his life! We all know that Rush and God knows how many of these anti-choice nut-cases don't mind a little hanky-panky so what would happen if some "professional" gals were to engage them in sex, then about a month later surprise them with the news that they're gonna be a daddy unless they pay up in order to "take care" of the problem. They could leak the news to the press (and maybe even make a considerable chunk of change) We need to recruit some civic-minded hookers!! If anyone working in adult services reads this- your country needs you!
Posted by Cygnus-X1-isaHole
Jun 2 2009 - 6:01pm
...some Kansas authorities suspect he is violating the law
--------------------
Since when do right-wingers care about deaths of innocent humans that may be due to violations of the law?
There are over a million deaths of innocent humans in Iraq due to an inarguably illegal war/occupation.
You can bet that at least a few hundred of those deaths were pregnant women.
Their abortions were performed by Lockheed-Martin from 10,000 feet.
Posted by tanguero
Jun 2 2009 - 7:18pm
These are terrorists. Their goal is to terrify and scare other doctors from performing procedures that they object to. They are no different from the Taliban who blow up schools for girls or shoot women for exposing an ankle. They are home-grown, Christo-terrists.
Posted by Humbaba
Jun 2 2009 - 7:59pm
What's next? Will our tax supported reich wing terrorist hate groups be stoning 10 year old rape victims on the evening news? I'll never plug my TV in again nor enter rood toped covens where even angels fear to go.
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Show AllThe depravity of these right-wing terrorists is the atmosphere and the cause of the cold- blooded murder of Dr, Tiller. They are accomplices in this crime and should be brought to justice.
When ideology as activism becomes hate-speech and then stalking, then murder, every step along the way should be found accountable.
Sioux Rose
SEVENPOINT MAN: I agree with your contention.
When we add the amount of hate being spewed by the right wing media pundits, to:
the amount of weapons on our streets, to
the vendettas sent into psychic motion by all those incarcerated for nonsensical things like smoking grass, to
the desecration of women (and the Divine feminine) through a proliferation of a very disturbing and disgusting sort of pornography, to
a Hollywood movie machine constantly upping the ante on violent scenes of explosive force that invoke in many an attraction to this sort of "thrill," to
the engineered gutting of our nation's industrial base leaving many young persons with few attractive career options, thus enter: the military recruiting station, to
leaders who set up "us versus them" ideological propositions
while church "spiritual" guides invoke in their flock a hatred of "other" as they falsely lay claim to a righteous reason to excuse their extermination, to
industrial effluents poured out everywhere in a wonton killing of the natural world, to
a completely debased disregard for life and its myriad eco-systems...
Taken in sum we can't help but note that we are dealing with a nation that has lost its moral compass and is cascading at breakspeed into the abyss while taking as many innocents along as it can claim.
Yes! It would help if those who use their pulpits (the air waves belong to the public, NOT the broadcast corporations who rent them back to us via cell phone signals, TV reception, Internet access, etc) to invoke intolerance were held accountable! It's ONE place we can stop the engine of Mars rules before it incinerates all things of beauty, value, and purpose!
WTF are you saying ????????????????
O Reilly looks as sick as his girlfriend Dickieboy Cheney. Another slimeball from Fox propagander T.V.
Why are we still looking at Bill O'Reilly or anything from Fox? I always surf right on by the Fox news network, on my way to Free Speech TV. Fox is simply a paid program network, bought and paid for by the far right. It is worse that anything in Soviet Russia--or Nazi Germany, for that matter--that is, if you want to get any actual news. Is Bill O'Reilly supposed to be the new right wing pundit, taking over for William F. Buckley Jr.? If so, all he does is show the absolute lack of any cognitive ability of any right wing spokesman. I never thought I'd miss good old Willy.
Your comment about "bought and paid for by the far right" is worthy of elaboration.
Since O'Reilly ( marginally intelligent at his best ) could 'receive' such a wide audience as to be in such a high valued "broadcast time slot" ---which by the way is averaging well over $1,000,000.00 per minute in value----no one, even Rupert Murdoch, would deny Mr. O'Reilly his say---.Since there are so many who would listen to his idiotic moronic and senseless rantings---and then buy the products/services being advertised on those 'commercial breaks', it would be foolish as a business enterprise NOT to give O'Reilly a 'show'.
The point is this, if there were NOT such a 'stupid audience' for Mr. O'Reilly he would be forced to seek employment more suited to his skills ability and IQ---something like a 'waste removal technician' at the "porta-toilet collection station"---or better yet, a Cabinet member on the "Rush Team" running for office in 2012, he might even make a better VP than Rush himself----you're laughing I can hear it---but try to remember that GW Bush was elected TWICE by the same people who listen to Mr. O'Reilly------if that doesn't scare you then you must be a 'pet rock'.
And then there is the visitor from another 'solar system' who visited earth recently and sent back reports to the effect:" we can save great resources by simply waiting for the planned "invasion" of Earth.
The dominate power on this planet is an nation of fools known as the USA; it appears that they are in their last days and a major 'self destruction episode' is imminent---any day now, and the survivors will be so few as to present no resistance to a takeover. The "occupation of the planet" however will be difficult since they are really making the entire planet a very nasty mess environmentally."
Good Luck America, you really need it.
Sioux Rose
NATIVE SON: Wonderful post. I think a toilet cleaner should be designed in Bill O'Reilly's name (and image and likeness). The product "Full of shit no more!" would also unclog drains of years of funk.
I was gonna say, "bring on the visitors, we might have a chance with them", but maybe they're already here?
WTF are you saying ????
@George Markley...it is most certainly NOT worse than anything out of the USSR or Nazi Germany. Let's not be as inflammatory as O'Reilly. The Nazis used their propaganda machine to justify the murder, enslavement, and incarceration of millions, as did the USSR under Stalin.
O'Reilly is a liar, a blowhard, a chronic exaggerator, and one of the most divisive figures passing for journalists today. Let's stick to the accurate descriptions that can be backed up with facts, and not give him and his people more ammo.
We have to lead by example. Because the chances of convincing the right-wing that they're wrong is slim to none if all we do is call them names. Didn't we learn anything in kindergarten?
Zapatista, (A great name)
A very good point, but if you have ever had 'kindergartners' in your care, you will remember that you did not speak to them with the same vocabulary that you would say, a junior at the local University.
If you are communicating with simple minds---you waste your time if you do not communicate with them on the best level of their comprehension.
It is difficult for intelligent people to communicate with those who are on a "lower frequency" without bringing down the quality of the vocabulary.
BillO the Clown needs to go to jail for inspiring someone to commit murder. Even though BillO did not directly pull the trigger, he pulled the trigger. I hope to see him in a different striped suit - one with numbers and jail location stenciled on it.
POTUS BO signed the bill this weekend allowing "prolonged detention" for American citizens who are even thinking about committing a crime, which is much less than inciting someone else to commit a crime, so doesn't that qualify for FOX BO to be put in jail??!! wow that's cool, barack and bill have the same initials. does anyone know what FOX BO's middle intitial is? That way I can call POTUS BO just BHO, and FOX BO B_O if only I knew FOX BO's middle name. anyway this is cool that POTUS BO signed this bill secretly over the weekend, now he can throw B_O in jail and then Sean Hannitty, and then Rush Limbaugh, and then Michael Steel, and then Glen Beck, and then Neal Cavuto, and then Greta van sestern, and then rupert murdock, and then shepard smith, and then all those blonde babes that read the news breaks, and then greg gutfeld, and then POTUS BO can then move over to the Wall Street Journal and put the entire editorial board in jail, and oh yeah, I forgot about MICHAEL SAVAGE AND MARK LEVIN !!!!!!!!! And then he could put Mike Gallagher in the same cell with ANN COULTER AND MICHELLE MALKIN !!!!!! Come on people, who am I forgetting here??? There's gotta be some more people Obama can put in jail now that he signed the prolonged detention bill. Oh yeah.....DICK MORRIS & NEWT GRINGRICH!!!! AND DICK CHENEY AND LIZ CHENEY!!!!!!
The only rationale anyone could use for killing an abortion provider is that he is killing "human beings" at work, but if you are a religious kook and believe that a fetus has a soul, why target a man who is specifically well known for late-term abortions? The religious position on abortion is completely incomprehensible.
If I was either a "progressive" or a "conservative" I would kinda keep my piehole shut about both the murder of Dr. Tiller and the soldier at the recruiting office. Both actions are results of hatred spewed by the media oulets.
If I believed, as apparently the shooter of Dr. Tiller did, that he was indeed killing other humans, it would seem his principles would compell him to take action. As a nation we have a long history of just such behavior, given that we have made efforts to kill those we perceived of as committing unjustifiable murders, like Sadam, Hitler, Castro, though these men beleived their own killings were justifiable. I may believe it justifiable to kill the killer of my daughter, even though the law prohibits it. What is the difference? The morality of this event is relative to the values of the individual,is it not? How does your belief that the fetus was not a unique living human being trump his belief that it was?
In America it's okay to be a terrorist as long as you are right-wing! Why is this the case? Because the law enforcement community is also right-winged. The good old boy network! Shame on them and us!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris17.html
Fox spins when it isn't out-and-out lying. Don't know why anyone listens to them in the first place.
The way O'Wrongly keeps saying, "Tiller ... the ... baby ... KILLER", is done specifically to incite hatred within his listening audience. It is done specifically to _control_ their thoughts and lead them into acting upon that hatred.
I believe he and Limbaugh are complicit in any crimes that their listeners commit, and yes, the last time I checked, MURDER of a doctor who performs abortions was still a crime. The wrong-wing nut cases might not think so, but they don't have a single personal thought in their heads.
On July 27, 2008, Jim David Adkisson entered the Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, armed with a shotgun and at least 76 shells. Before he could be subdued, Adkisson killed two and wounded at least six.
A note later found in Adkisson's car said that since he couldn't kill the liberal leaders who are runing this nation he would kill those who voted them into office.
Two days later, the Knoxville police held a press conference in which they said that they found copies of books by Michael Savage, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly in Adkisson's home.
Fox News, which had covered the tragedy extensively immediately dropped the story, and it was reported that they purged their database of all references to it.
I wonder what would have happened if Andrea Macris (sp?) had said "OK" to Billo's advances and then had gotten pregnant?? Who wants to bet Billo would have had her in the local "womens clinic" faster than anything else he's ever done in his life! We all know that Rush and God knows how many of these anti-choice nut-cases don't mind a little hanky-panky so what would happen if some "professional" gals were to engage them in sex, then about a month later surprise them with the news that they're gonna be a daddy unless they pay up in order to "take care" of the problem. They could leak the news to the press (and maybe even make a considerable chunk of change) We need to recruit some civic-minded hookers!! If anyone working in adult services reads this- your country needs you!
...some Kansas authorities suspect he is violating the law
--------------------
Since when do right-wingers care about deaths of innocent humans that may be due to violations of the law?
There are over a million deaths of innocent humans in Iraq due to an inarguably illegal war/occupation.
You can bet that at least a few hundred of those deaths were pregnant women.
Their abortions were performed by Lockheed-Martin from 10,000 feet.
These are terrorists. Their goal is to terrify and scare other doctors from performing procedures that they object to. They are no different from the Taliban who blow up schools for girls or shoot women for exposing an ankle. They are home-grown, Christo-terrists.
What's next? Will our tax supported reich wing terrorist hate groups be stoning 10 year old rape victims on the evening news? I'll never plug my TV in again nor enter rood toped covens where even angels fear to go.