Mokhiber: Ari, you said earlier that "Democracy
is God-given." Didn't Thomas Jefferson have something to do with it?
Ari Fleischer: I cited the Declaration
of Independence and the author of our inalienable rights.
Mokhiber: Who is the author of our inalienable rights?
Ari Fleischer: That's what I said -- it's Jefferson.
Mokhiber: Oh, I thought you said "Democracy is God-given"?
Ari Fleischer: Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independent
rights that we hold these truths, these self-evident truths that these rights
were created by, given by the creator. Our Declaration of Independence says that.
[Note: The Declaration of Independence, in relevant part, says: "We hold
these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments
are instituted by Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."]
Mokhiber: Second question. Has the Bush Administration estimated how
many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians will be killed in the event of an invasion?
Ari Fleischer: The question the President worries about -- and much of the
world worries about -- is how many people will be killed if Saddam Hussein is
allowed to develop nuclear weapons. And he has a history of showing that once
he gets his hands on a weapon, he uses it.
Mokhiber: But has the estimate been made by the Administration of how
many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians will be killed if we invade?
Ari Fleischer: I'm not aware of it, I don't know, I'm not aware.