The Plot Against Liberal America
The most cherished dream of conservative Washington is that liberalism can somehow be defeated, finally and irreversibly, in the way that armies are beaten and pests are exterminated. Electoral victories by Republicans are just part of the story. The larger vision is of a future in which liberalism is physically barred from the control room - of an "end of history" in which taxes and onerous regulation will never be allowed to threaten the fortunes private individuals make for themselves. This is the longing behind the former White House aide Karl Rove's talk of "permanent majority" and, 20 years previously, disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff's declaration to the Republican convention that it's "the job of all revolutions to make permanent their gains".
When I first moved to contemplate this peculiar utopian vision, I was struck by its apparent futility. What I did not understand was that beating liberal ideas was not the goal. The Washington conservatives aim to make liberalism irrelevant not by debating, but by erasing it. Building a majority coalition has always been a part of the programme, and conservatives have enjoyed remarkable success at it for more than 30 years. But winning elections was not a bid for permanence by itself. It was only a means.
The end was capturing the state, and using it to destroy liberalism as a practical alternative. The pattern was set by Margaret Thatcher, who used state power of the heaviest-handed sort to implant permanently the anti-state ideology.
"Economics are the method; the object is to change the soul," she said, echoing Stalin. In the 34 years before she became prime minister, Britain rode a see-saw of nationalisation, privatisation and renationalisation; Thatcher set out to end the game for good. Her plan for privatising council housing was designed not only to enthrone the market, but to encourage an ownership mentality and "change the soul" of an entire class of voters. When she sold off nationally owned industries, she took steps to ensure that workers received shares at below-market rates, leading hopefully to the same soul transformation. Her brutal suppression of the miners' strike in 1984 showed what now awaited those who resisted the new order. As a Business Week reporter summarised it in 1987: "She sees her mission as nothing less than eradicating Labour Party socialism as a political alternative."
In their own pursuit of the free-market utopia, America's right-wingers did not have as far to travel as their British cousins, and they have never needed to use their state power so ruthlessly. But the pattern is the same: scatter the left's constituencies, hack open the liberal state and reward friendly businesses with the loot.
Grover Norquist, one of the most influential conservatives in Washington and the "field marshal of the Bush plan", according to the Nation magazine, has been most blunt about using the power of the state "to crush the structures of the left". He has outlined the plan countless times in countless venues: the liberal movement is supported by a number of "pillars", each of which can be toppled by conservatives when in power. Among Norquist's suggestions has been the undermining of defence lawyers - who in the US give millions of dollars to liberal causes - with measures "potentially costing [them] billions of dollars of lost income". Conservatives could also "crush labour unions as a political entity" by forcing unions to get annual written approval from every member before spending union funds on political activities. His coup de grâce is that the Democratic Party in its entirety would become "a dead man walking" with the privatisation of social security.
Much of this programme has already been accomplished, if not on the precise terms Norquist suggested. The shimmering dream of privatising social security, though, remains the great unreachable right-wing prize, and the right persists in the campaign, regardless of the measure's unpopularity or the number of political careers it costs. President Bush announced privatisation to be his top priority on the day after his re-election in 2004, although he had not emphasised this issue during the campaign. He proceeded to chase it deep into the land of political unpopularity, a region from which he never really returned.
He did this because the potential rewards of privatising social security justify any political cost. At one stroke, it would both de-fund the operations of government and utterly reconfigure the way Americans interact with the state. It would be irreversible, too; the "transition costs" in any scheme to convert social security are so vast that no country can consider incurring them twice. Once the deal has been done and the trillions of dollars that pass through social security have been diverted from the US Treasury to stocks in private companies, the effects would be locked in for good. First, there would be an immediate flood of money into Wall Street; second, there would be an equivalent flow of money out of government accounts, immediately propelling the federal deficit up into the stratosphere and de-funding a huge part of the federal activity.
Business elites
The overall effect for the nation's politics would be to elevate for ever the rationale of the financial markets over such vague liberalisms as "the common good" and "the public interest". The practical results of such a titanic redirection of the state are easy to predict, given the persistent political demands of Wall Street: low wage growth, even weaker labour organisations, a free hand for management in downsizing, in polluting, and so on.
The longing for permanent victory over liberalism is not unique to the west. In country after country, business elites have come up with ingenious ways to limit the public's political choices. One of the most effective of these has been massive public debt. Naomi Klein has pointed out, in case after case, that the burden of debt has forced democratic countries to accept a laissez-faire system that they find deeply distasteful. Regardless of who borrowed the money, these debts must be repaid - and repaying them, in turn, means that a nation must agree to restructure its economy the way bankers bid: by deregulating, privatising and cutting spending.
Republicans have ridden to power again and again promising balanced budgets - government debt was "mortgaging our future", Ronald Reagan admonished in his inaugural address - but once in office they proceed, with a combination of tax cuts and spending increases, to inflate the federal deficit to levels far beyond those reached by their supposedly open-handed liberal rivals. The formal justification is one of the all-time great hoaxes. By cutting taxes, it is said, you will unleash such economic growth that federal revenues will actually increase, so all the additional government spending will be paid for.
Even the theory's proponents don't really believe it. David Stockman, the libertarian budget director of the first Reagan administration, did the maths in 1980 and realised it would not rescue the government; it would wreck the government. This is the point where most people would walk away. Instead, Stockman decided it had medicinal value. He realised that with their government brought to the brink of fiscal collapse, the liberals would either have to acquiesce in the reconfiguration of the state or else see the country destroyed. Stockman was candid about this: the left would "have to dismantle [the government's] bloated, wasteful, and unjust spending enterprises - or risk national ruin".
This is government-by-sabotage: deficits were a way to smash a liberal state. The Reagan deficits did precisely this. When Reagan took over in 1981, he inherited an annual deficit of $59bn and a national debt of $914bn; by the time he and his successor George Bush had finished their work, they had quintupled the deficit and pumped the debt up to more than $3trn. Bill Clinton called the deficit "Stockman's Revenge" - and it domin ated all other topics within his administration's economic teams. With the chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan himself speaking of "financial catastrophe" unless steps were taken to control Reagan's deficit, Clinton was soon a convert. He got tough with the federal workforce.
So-called virtues
George W Bush proceeded to plunge the budget into deficit again. Indeed, after seeing how the Reagan deficit had forced Clinton's hand, it would have been foolish for a conservative not to spend his way back into the hole as rapidly as possible. "It's perfectly fine for them to waste money," says Robert Reich, a former labour secretary to Bill Clinton, summarising the conservative viewpoint. "If the public thinks government is wasteful, that's fine. That reduces public faith in government, which is precisely what the Republicans want."
In 1964, the political theorist James Burnham diagnosed liberalism as "the ideology of western suicide". What Burnham meant by this was that liberalism's so-called virtues - its openness and its insistence on equal rights for everyone - made it vulnerable to any party that refuses to play by the rules. The "suicide" that all of this was meant to describe was liberalism's inevitable destruction at the hands of communism, a movement in whose ranks Burnham had once marched himself. But his theory seems more accurately to describe the stratagems of its fans on the American right. And the correct term for the disasters that have disabled the liberal state is not suicide, but vandalism. Loot the Treasury, dynamite the dam, take a crowbar to the monument and throw a wrench into the gears. Slam the locomotive into reverse, toss something heavy on the throttle, and jump for it.
Mainstream American political commentary customarily assumes that the two political parties do whatever they do as mirror images of each other; that if one is guilty of some misstep, the other is equally culpable. But there is no symmetry. Liberalism, as we know it, arose out of a compromise between left-wing social movements and business interests. It depends on the efficient functioning of certain organs of the state; it does not call for all-out war on private industry.
Conservatism, on the other hand, speaks not of compromise, but of removing its adversaries from the field altogether. While no one dreams of sawing off those branches of the state that protect conservatism's constituents - the military, the police, legal privileges granted to corporations - conservatives openly fantasise about doing away with the bits of "big government" that serve liberal ends. While de-funding the left is the north star of the conservative project, there is no comparable campaign to "de-fund the right"; indeed, it would be difficult to imagine one.
"Over the past 30 years, American politics has become more money-centred at exactly the same time that American society has grown more unequal," the political scientists Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson have written. The resources and organisational heft of the well-off and hyper-conservative have exploded. But the org anisational resources of middle-income Amer icans . . . have atrophied. The resulting inequality has greatly benefited the Republican Party while drawing it closer to its most affluent and extreme supporters."
In this sense, conservative Washington is a botch that keeps on working, constructing an imbalance that will tilt our politics rightward for years, a plutocracy that will stand, regardless of who wins the next few elections. And as American inequality widens, the clout of money will only grow more powerful.
As I write this, the lobbyist-fuelled conservative boom of the past ten years is being supplanted by a distinct conservative bust: like the real-estate speculators who are dumping properties all over the country, conservative senators and representatives are heading for the revolving door in record numbers.
Plutocracy
The Democrats who have taken their place are an improvement, certainly, but for the party's more entrepreneurial leaders electoral success in 2006 was merely an opportunity to accelerate their own courtship of Washington's lobbyists, think-tanks and pressure groups staked out on K Street. Democratic leaders have proved themselves the Republicans' equals in circumvention of campaign finance laws.
Throwing the rascals out is no longer enough. The problem is structural; it is inscribed on the map; it glows from the illuminated logos on the contractors' office buildings; it is built into the systems of governance themselves. A friend of mine summarised this concisely as we were lunching in one of those restaurants where the suits and the soldiers get together. Sweeping his hand so as to take in our fellow diners and all the contractors' offices beyond, he said, "So you think all of this is just going to go away if Obama gets in?" This whole economy, all these profits?
He's right, of course; maybe even righter than he realised. It would be nice if electing Democrats was all that was required to resuscitate the America that the right flattened, but it will take far more than that. A century ago, an epidemic of public theft persisted, despite a long string of reformers in the White House, Republicans and Democrats, each promising to clean the place up. Nothing worked, and for this simple reason: democracy cannot work when wealth is distributed as lopsidedly as theirs was-and as ours is. The inevitable consequence of plutocracy, then and now, is bought government.
This is an edited extract from Thomas Frank's "The Wrecking Crew", published this month by Harvill Secker (£14.99)
© Thomas Frank, 2008
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Show AllOne of my friends lives in a trailer park and is well versed on a wide variety of subjects. For example, if you'd like to know about the Bretton-Woods Agreement, and how the U.S. withdrawal from that agreement affected U.S. Foreign Policy, he can explain all about it. He's like a walking encyclopedia on an extremely wide variety of subjects and has a library in his trailer consisting of some 1200 books. He drives an old Volvo which he maintains himself, and has also read through the entire Bible, Old and New Testaments, at least five times during his life in addition to earning college degrees in History and other subjects.
freespirit To Mr. Frank: GReat book, the Wrecking Crew. You have done justice to summarizing just what has been going on these last 40 years or at least since Reaganites took over Washington with the neo-cons. Best book I've read all year. For your next project, however, I wish you would investigate the situation in America for the poor and disadvantaged. We all know there are ghettoes and crime is rampant, but the every day life of the indigent needs more depth of understanding. For instance, we have a three-tiered culture and the higher levels are looking down at the poor and forcing them to live more on the fringe. In fact, the poor are the forgotten and if mentioned, we hear ofensive comments like trailer park trash.
OK, so if I read this entire discussion board correctly, it's OK to criticize so-called Christianity, (hypocritical and hate-mongering as it may be), but it's strictly forbidden to criticize so-called Judaism, hypocritical and hate-mongering as it may be. Is that correct? In fact, of all the so-called religions in the world, Judaism is above all most pure and utterly devoid of hypocrisy. Right?
Sabotage their system in every way you can. Act like the model employee while you are clandestinely pouring Coca Cola down into their display TV sets. Go to the library and rip pages out of their propaganda books. Walk around Wal-Mart and glue different bar code labels onto their merchandise. Call up investment brokers and arrange large deals just to pull out at the last minute. Waste their precious time. Have Real Estate agents take you around to see 50 different houses then don't buy anything. Let them spend two months trying to please you. The same with landlords and car dealers. Go into their churches and synagogues and take direct issue with their hypocrisy. Bombard the local newspaper with letters from three different e-mail addresses and also written letters and phone calls. Drop bogus, empty boxes into their sidewalk shipping drop-offs so they are always full. Open new bank checking accounts then draw out all of your money the next day and just let the account sit there for them to deal with. Buy things with the express intent of returning them the next day for a full refund. Sabotage them. Be creative. And don't think that Common Dreams is on your side, because they aren't. They're just keeping you distracted.
"Waste their precious time."
Everything suggested by you takes time. I suppose your own time has no value to you? I assume you have no job and therefore pay no taxes, and I suppose you would also demand the government do things for you. Am I wrong?
Stop buying things except the most absolute of necessities. Don't even "buy American." Just stop spending money across the full spectrum of existence.
Not ignored. Just not commented much upon. I found them interesting and food for thought.
As I mentioned earlier - not on this thread?...I don't remember - it is necessary to devise a money system that precludes excessive concentration of wealth.
As long as decentralization is central...ahem...we can discuss these things. Centralization always encourages concentration.
Local currency and peoples' banks will be fought tooth-and-nail by those to which NAFTA, WTO policies, etc. are vital to their "interests". We haven't seen much conflict yet (there has been some over local currency abroad) because the decentralized banking cooperatives and so on are hardly in the consciousness of global bankers.
When localization comes together in its myriad aspects, the real conflict, the defining conflict of our age will be set.
Ah yes there's ThomasWAdams above about reorganising money - but also it's interesting that both his post and Jacob Freeze's were all but ignored...
Jacob Freeze got closest to the nub of the problem which is the money system we use, who controls its creation and distribution. It is ridiculous that there should be poverty in the world these days, and that people should still be trying to settle disputes by force of arms, or exploited for their labour. But the monetary system itself, the engine driving all this destruction, is barely questioned by 'progressive' thinkers be they liberal, progressive, left, Marxist, whatever.
No doubt the Neo-con DC wonks concocted any number of plots against 'liberals' - but the great plot behind it all has been to give the banks more freedom to invent ever more exotic ways to control our wealth. And look what they've done with it - effectively p---ed it up a wall in war and speculative investment of an ever more complicated nature. All the moral and judicial reasons given above about why the system's just wrong, but nobody's yelling 'incompetence' at the bankers?
The Greens and anarchists are at least trying to deal with money by setting up LETS and other community currency schemes and by questioning current economists' notions of what constitutes 'wealth' and how these don't reflect the real economy we live in. That 'growth' in order to pay interest on loans, is predicated on the exploitation of both the environment and labour. (Yes yes, Luxemburg pointed this out nearly 100 years ago, and she was a Marxist. Unfortunately the rest of Marxism all but ignored her.) It's not even a new idea: farmers defending the 'Greenback' in the 1800s understood this all too well.
Instead most people treat money as though it were a natural phenomenon, as uncontrollable and unfathomable as the weather, and not a man-made social construction.
Unfortunately it would be impossible to 'take the money back' off the rich as such - only 3% of all 'money' exists as cash, so maybe a mass hack is in order? - but people should be prepared to take more control over their own local economies and work to devise a rational (and global?) monetary system which is not controlled by a bunch of coked-up sociopaths obsessed with their next bonus.
How's that for changing the subject.
August 19, 2008
The Revelations of Pastor Warren
The Politics of Evil in the US Elections
By MARWAN BISHARA
http://counterpunch.org/bishara08192008.html
I could only shake my head in bewilderment, as I listened to the interviews Rick Warren, a Baptist pastor, conducted with Barack Obama and John McCain, the US presidential candidates for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.
Most absurd during the two-hour special were the exchanges about "evil".
When asked how they would deal with evil if they were elected president - would they ignore it, negotiate with it, contain it, or defeat it - Obama said he would "confront it" while McCain said unflinchingly that he would "defeat it".
After this "civil forum" was broadcast on CNN, the network's so-called "best team on television" commented on the candidates' performance.
This only managed to add insult to injury.
One pundit commended McCain's steadfastness and courage in wanting to defeat, not merely confront, evil if elected president.
For the Republican contender evil is embodied in communism, Islamic fundamentalism and notably Osama Bin Laden, who he promised to hunt down.
Obama was also praised for acknowledging the existence of evil. He thought it present in Darfur but also on the streets of the US as well as in homes where parents abuse their children, and so on.
Evil is the enemy
The last time I checked, there was no legal or strategic interpretation of evil. An open-ended war on evil leads to Armageddon.
It makes absolutely no sense for a future leader of a superpower to speak of dealing with "evil" as commander-in-chief unless this term is used as populist propaganda during election season.
The threat of evil necessitates some sort of definition, otherwise, how can any president evaluate evil and apply the necessary measures to "confront it" or "defeat it"?
Sectarian and tribal wars in Africa and Asia, like religious fundamentalism, are modern phenomena that need to be rationalised first and foremost within our modern world.
In order to be defused or prevented altogether, such conflicts must not be defined or determined by the universal fight between good and evil.
The same applies to street gangs and abusive parents; they require rational explanation and social analyses in order to deter them or best prevent them form carrying out their actions.
In all such cases of violence, there is an urgent need for education, justice, fairness and the rule of law as well as a moral compass, not some religious crusade, to guide us.
But the US media was more than happy to report how the Democratic and Republican candidates were speaking of confronting and defeating evil.
In doing this, US media has pandered to the religious majority in the country.
Religiosity in the US
According to a Pew June 2008 study, 92 per cent of Americans believe in God or a universal spirit, and nearly 80 per cent think miracles occur.
Most Americans believe that angels and demons are active in the world, and one in five Christians speaks or prays in tongues - ecstatic worship or prayer using unintelligible speech.
But while the US has traditionally been religious, it has also been traditionally tolerant.
Since the 1960s, evangelical churches have become politically proactive as faith-based organisations went on to exercise increasing influence over politics in the US and especially within the Republican party.
In recent years, the less strident and more mainstream Christian and evangelical churches like Warren's Saddleback where the two candidates were interviewed, became more active then the southern right-wing churches represented by the likes of Pat Robertson.
The fact that McCain and Obama's first joint appearance (not debate) was coordinated and hosted by an influential religious preacher speaks volumes about the influence of organised religion on politics in the US.
Politics in a bubble
Such theological/political journalism is unthinkable anywhere in Europe or in so-called democracies around the world. Calling one's enemy or their ideology or religion evil is the language normally used by such groups as al-Qaeda, not constitutional democracies.
If religious interviews were done with such fanfare and influence in a Muslim country, democratic or otherwise, western and especially US media would have made mockery of such an imposition of religious fundamentalism on political process.
For most outsiders, the US is in denial over its own "evil doing" around the world. Obama and McCain could see evil in Darfur but would not admit that the invasion and occupation of Iraq on false premises or for oil is no less an evil act.
To his credit, Obama broke out of the delusional discourse of the US as the-city-on-a-hill to underline the need for humility when confronting evil so that the US does not perpetrate its own evils.
But for some people around the world, it may be a bit late for that.
Alas.
Marwan Bishara is Al Jazeera's Senior Political Analyst.
jclientelle August 19th, 2008 11:00 am
Yes - there are too many potshots at "Jews" on CD. Mostly I let them pass as I see them as deliberately provocative and an attempt to divert discussions. But I find them offensive. Policies of the Israeli government are a different story.
Let me agree with you on this 100%
"You must demonstrate cause and effect. "
Impossible to do, economics is a social science, there are no labs, just data gathered after the fact at best.
"The simple fact is that as long as you have population growth and inflation if you RAISE taxes or cut taxes revenues will rise."
Unless you raise to near 100% or lower to near 0%, for an income tax. The ends of the Laffer curve are generally agreed upon, the middle part is fuzzy.
I'm looking through economic data to find where tax increases have resulted in revenue increases and I can't find any.
Could somebody help me out? Seems like the tax DECREASES have resulted in revenue INCREASES.
How can this be?
Yes - there are too many potshots at "Jews" on CD. Mostly I let them pass as I see them as deliberately provocative and an attempt to divert discussions. But I find them offensive. Policies of the Israeli government are a different story.
Speaking of which, Doom n Gloom - the type of decency you describe is what I strive for as my core position in life. It is so well described in Primo Levi's "Survival in Auschwitz".
The means you use to get where you are going will color the result. Violence and trickery leads to a violent and dishonest result. However as the article says, the organized right has no such scruples. We cannot be naive punching bags. Being kind to our peers does not rule out being clever and forceful against the sociopaths who are trying to dominate everything.
jimmyjazz Not sure what you mean by "(talk about consistency!)", but if you mean that pissant's posts are consistent with each other,
That was it. I only see three.
I agree that the 1% don't want the destruction of the other 99. For one thing they need others to witness their dominance over them. As Gore Vidal said "It's not enough to win, others must lose." What they want and demand is a perpetual underclass. In essence, an absolute class-based society makes perfect sense to them and is very attractive (as they find themselves conveniently at the top). They are not for egalitarianism because to them just having what everyone else has is not nearly enough. There are winners, and there are losers, and the winners deserve to win, and the losers deserve to lose. Again, conveniently, by luck, inheritance, or special ability, they find themselves happily ascendant. Is it fair that a person, a fellow human, without family fortune, luck, or great aptitude (often funded by the previous) should suffer a life of poverty and inequity? To them it is.
Thomas More,
In the Good Samaritan thread do you see three posts in a row by me or four? When I view it there are four, but the fourth is merely an edit of the third, and it says "your comment is awaiting moderation" above it.
Not sure what you mean by "(talk about consistency!)", but if you mean that pissant's posts are consistent with each other, I agree. Extreme dogmatism tends to create that effect. Haha.
Demonstorm; It's not that the 1% want to destroy the 99% per se, the 1% live internationally, their companies are multinationals and they are not dependenent on America for anything.
They seek only to maximize profits and increase their wealth, which they are succeeding at spectacularly at the same time as our population is increasing.
The combination of the upward-draft of wealth and ever more people equals we are getting poorer. Now. In recent memory. Tomorrow.
That is key. Because a tipping point is coming when that 99% remembers having it, sees and feels it gone, and starts looking at those gated communities, Gulfstreams and limo's.
Then a spark, bloodshed, waves of people will rise though, millions and millions and the Army will refuse at some point to shoot us. And it is game effing over. Now that makes the Republicans Stupid; they could forestall this for eternity and rape us forever, but they appear to blindly be rushing for the cliffs of their own demise because they want it all. Everything. Their Greed is boundless and will literally be the Death of Them.
I cheer them on in this pursuit.
If McCain is elected, this will come sooner.
The World's first Revolution in a Capitalist Industrial Country.
It could take more than a few days. Who knows, several million angry armed people descend on DC, Wall Street, the Pentagon, it might happen without a shot fired.
Good questions Demonstorm, though I don't have the answers here are a couple of my observations :
#1. Would be the relationship between parasites and their host, it does no good for the parasite to kill it's own source of survival. Of course parasites often go too far and kill their hosts. The trick is the balance between killing off and maintaining stability, not enough energy to fight back, but enough to be source of sustenance. (This is my personal favorite analogy of the current admin in power)
#2. Would be fear, check out Maslow's hierarchy of needs. While we are involved in the basic tenets of survival, our higher needs such as morality, justice, logic etc. fall by the wayside. Eventually, like in any "successful" abusive relationship, they may let up with the abuse and we will kiss their A**es, because they've finally let up on us. (Stockholm syndrome on a major scale)
#3. Would be the Military Industrial Complex- more people will be drawn to the military as a means of survival, especially given the under-funding of higher education.
#4. Would be my alternate view that really they have no freaking clue what they're doing and are blinded by short sighted ideologies, such as "doing God's work" etc.
#5. Could be all of the above.
There is one thing I have NEVER understood - and I honestly would like someone here to explain it to me: why would the uber-rich Rethuglican corporatist-plutocrat elites on the right WANT to completely impoverish the populace? Because that is what we are really talking about, here: the destruction of the middle-class, the complete dumping of huge tax burdens on the 99% of Americans while the elite 1% pay little or none, combined with lower and lower wages and no unions for the vast majority of the serfs, the American people.
HOW can that 1% then live, when the other 99% is so poor they have no money left over to go to stores and BUY THE PRODUCTS/SERVICES of the corporations??
I just don't get it. If impoverishing the majority of Americans into slave labor-status so they can barely make ends meet is their goal - which they are very well on their way to accomplishing - have they not thought ahead to the next phase: "who will buy all the crap our corporations produce?"
I don't get it. It sounds like suicide to me for the elite right.
TOTALITARIAN
PLUTOCRATIC
STATE CORPORATISM
SUCKS
jimmyjazz August 18th, 2008 4:49 pm
Interesting. I'll leave my reply there...whatever it is, because I have to think that over carefully, along with pissants above it. (Talk about consistency!)
Thanks Thomas. FYI, I wrote a very long-winded reply in three parts to you on the topic of socialism. It's in the Good Samaritan thread.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/10/10907/
jakenewton August 18th, 2008 12:52 pm
Better one!
jimmyjazz August 18th, 2008 1:15 pm
Interesting post. Though I'm one of the lesserevilists, I think when it comes to third party.
The Thomas Frank analysis is one hundred percent on the money.The problem could not be more clearly defined and we should honour it with serious reflection the better to enable us to arrive at an acceptable solution; a solution that will revolutionise the current system without harming the ninetynine percent, not only of us "the people", but also enough of our economic processes,that will correct the imbalances that concern us all.
The solution alluded to cannot be one sided, as in Communism, Socialism or Capitalism; they have been tested and have either failed spectacularly or have proved to be unacceptable to the neccessry democratic majority.The next system must be all-inclusive; we have learned all the right lessons through this last two hundred years, we have not realised, or been willing to accept, that all our learning will readily combine into one all-inclusive equation. The sum total of this equation is identified as "The Universal Economy".
Universal because when accepted in its entirety it will provide for all Peoples everywhere.
The changes can be introduced democratically. Let us not forget that the United States Constitution includes provision that allows anyone to propose new Laws that automatically go into the statutes when the legislated number of voters agree to it. The current number of votes required to gain acceptance at present would be about Fifty Million. Not an impossible number, using the internet to side-step the blocking of the Media Moguls.
Now follows a synopsis of The Universal Economy.
The Reserve Bank to be owned by "The People".
Domestic currency not traded on International Markets.
Personal Income Tax to be paid once in every life-time from the estate after death; say, 50% of total wealth.
Company Tax paid annually; say,flat 15% of net profits.
Government sets long-term stable interest rates for Home purchases and Business/Commercial borrowing.
Government sets fixed currency exchange rates, variable as neccessary, country to country, guided by our Terms of Trade, requirments of trade agreements,economic circumstance and National purpose.
Government to be empowered to create "Debt Free Social Capital" to be used to totally eliminate Poverty and deprivation and to finance the provision of free Social Services, Education, Health,Social Wage for the unemployed, Retirement Pensions, for all who need it, and all National Infrastructures. Debt Free Social Capital must be "spent" into existence to keep it non-inflationary.
Government strictly regulates volumes of "credit".
Debt Free Social Capital was first advocated by President Abraham Lincoln who advocated it's use as listed above. President John F Kennedy created legislative order 1110 some three months before his assasination for the same purposes. LBJ was pressured by U.S.and International Bankers to rescind that order soon after his election.
Further, we should consider the actions of U.S. and International centres of financial Power during the on-going Sub-Prime credit fiasco. Let us not be in any doubt. All the Billions perhaps Trillions of dollars they created to bail out the private sector finances sector were all created out of nothing, in short social welfare for the rich. And this bail-out will continue well into the forseeable future.
All the while we have millions of starving children none of whom have health care?
From the above you may deduce that the proposed changes take nothing from you and I, we do not have to rob the rich of anything. The best that happens is that Speculator parasites are deprived of opportunities to wreak havoc in our lives.YES THIS IS ONLY A SIMPLIFIED VERSION, THERE IS MUCH MORE EXPLANATION AND DETAIL TO IT, BUT ALL MINOR.
Can anyone else see what this means?
Regards, THOMASWADAMS
It always strikes me as odd that so many who rail against the concept of evolution embrace economic Darwinism.
Keeping everyone scrapping amongst themselves for bread keeps them too busy to scrap with those in power.
For the sake of all, we need to swing from competition to cooperation. Yet I doubt if it will happen.
It always strikes me as odd that so many who rail against the concept of evolution embrace economic Darwinism.
Keeping everyone scrapping amongst themselves for bread keeps them to busy to scrap with those in power.
For the sake of all, we need to swing from competition to cooperation. Yet I doubt if it will happen.
Jack Canuck: "You're right and you're wrong when you say that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. It's true that there is no fundamental ideological difference between the 2 parties, but history has shown that one is bad and the other is worse."
Sure, there are differences, but I believe they are insignificant--and getting smaller every year. I think a question that every voter has to seriously ask her/himself is: how much will I allow myself to be squeezed? How much can they constrain my choices and get away with it? I'm sure we all agree that at *some* point, it's time to put down our feet and say no, both choices are unacceptable. Once you realize this fact, it's hard to argue that we haven't already reached that point.
I'm not necessarily arguing just for a third party. It may very well be that the system itself--roughly 500 people representing roughly 300 million people--inherently corrupts or at least thwarts anyone, no matter how idealistic they are going in. I'm not dogmatically advocating violent revolution either. If we had one right now, we'd probably come out the other end a more right-wing country than we are now. I don't claim to have any real answers at the moment.
"And the system is rigged so that you have to choose between the two because its the only choices you got. If you want more choices, you'll have to change the system."
Of course. Meanwhile, I don't think there's any excuse not to your true preferences in a safe state (I live in California). Personally I'm at the point where I would vote third party even if I lived in Florida or Ohio. There is simply nothing which either major party has done to even remotely earn my vote. They're partners in the shafting of the whole world, America included.
USAn,
Good points and I agree. However, "ideology" and "brainwashing" are merely easy targets for progressives trying to figure out why America is so conservatives. There are literally hundreds of structural/institutional/material factors that can be implicated--some much more significant than others. I won't list any of my favorites right now. But I really do think progressives need to challenge themselves to take a further mental step and try discovering just why this "brainwashing" has been possible. When you read the history of revolutions in America and Europe, or of extremely violent labor struggles here in the U.S., you realize that "brainwashing" people is not nearly as easy as it might seem. Something is different today which makes people receptive to the repugnant neoliberal ideology. In 1900, someone spouting the more dogmatic brand of libertarian economics would have been laughed off the stage, if not chased and beaten.
Historical materialism was Marx's best idea, imo. With regard to capitalism, he tried to show how conflicting material class interests would inevitably lead to a divergence of consciousness between the classes. I agree with you that his ideas on this need serious revision, and he being a smart man, I'm sure would be engaged in said revision right now if he were still alive. But my point is not that his theories which he arrived at via an application of materialism are true for all time; my point is that today's progressives should take up the mantle of historical materialism and apply it to our own age. It is an incredibly powerful analytic tool. You can always finger ideologies and consciousness and brainwashing, but to go deeper you must figure out what material factors are shaping the ideologies of people from different nations, races, classes, genders, groups.
I don't really care what names you call me. I'm not demonizing anybody. I'm just stating a truth, and if people don't recognize that ultra-consummerism and commercialism, along with the resultant hyper-commercialism of our age is the single reigning factor in the demise of humanity, and also don't recognize that by simply using the word "Judaism" in a sense that people used the word 150 years ago, one can be immediately ostracized from a discussion, then the problem lies with you, not with me. You haven't really responded to my points, just, essentially called me a racists. Zionism is the real racism, and is built upon a radical, racist ideology, and Judiasm, for many, many years, was recognized as an ideology by which people bought and sold things and pursued money to an extreme, and destructive degree-a degree to which society itself suffered enormously as the acquisition of money was elevated to the top of all other pursuits, then just keep typing here on your keyboards because I've been spending far too much time on this computer and would like to get back to my books anyway. Right now I'm reading "The socialist Decision" by Paul Tillich.
"That was great!"
Don't forget the other one: A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.
ezeflyer August 18th, 2008 11:55 am
USAn said:
"A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested".
Tom Wolfe
That was great!
USAn said:
"We need to be careful with the word "liberalism". In most of the world, this word means a political philosophy of unfettered capitalism.
Australia's party that is closest to the US Republican poarty is called the "Liberal Party"."
Good point USAn. Conservatives call themselves liberals whenever it suits their evil intentions.
"A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested".
Tom Wolfe
Grappa August 18th, 2008 12:42 am said:
"Progressive liberation can never be defeated, It is the life breath of every human to be free from the shackles of authoritarian rule."
Well said.
As authoritarian is the true opposite of liberal, right or left wing conservative equals authoritarian.
And I want to echo Siouxrose August 17th, 2008 5:36 pm comment about the content and quality of this discussion and the civility displayed.
Lets keep it this way.
zeldon August 17th, 2008 11:42 am
Excellent post. Good conclusion.
djnoll August 17th, 2008 1:02 pm
Excellent post!
welshTerrier2 August 18th, 2008 1:35 am
Great post!
I also see the nattering nabob's of negativity are out in force.
TRUTHKNOLLER August 17th, 2008 2:08 pm
Plutocracy', meaning Government by the wealthy. And here I've been calling them Fascists.
I'm glad someone finally figured that out.
wilmoor August 17th, 2008 12:58 pm
coyotebreath August 17th, 2008 11:56 am
Siouxrose August 17th, 2008 5:36 pm
Good posts. But I'd add that though I agree with Siouxrose about the 24/7 media intake, I'd add that the main fault is certainly not funding, most school districits have and spend more money that anyone else. My view is twofold with equal responsibility shared between the extremists of both sides. The right wing is more concerned with measurements (NCLB)(TAKS Tests)of grades than education while the radical left is more concernend with sicial engineerring than education. Don't bother shooting at me, simply compare textbooks and courses from the rtime when we hasd better education than most and now. Its quite plain.
None of you teachers would believe the new grading system put in by Dallas ISD. You simply wouldn't believe anyone interesrted in education would do it, but the grades matter more than the education.
We need to be careful with the word "liberalism". In most of the world, this word means a political philosophy of unfettered capitalism.
Australia's party that is closest to the US Republican poarty is called the "Liberal Party".
marxistsocialist,
While I fully agree in Marx's theory of an evolutionary dialectic, I think the idea that the materialist dialectic will lead us to socialism someday is in serious need of revision - at least on the multi-hundred year time scale. The Marxian dialectic relied on class antagonisms. Through a stunningly successful campaign of technology-driven propaganda and mass brainwashing per Bernay's and Lippmans theories - the modern answer to Marx, the very concept of class-interests have been utterly wiped out. Concepts such as community and solidarity are gone! Kaput! The glogal workforce are effectviely feudal in their passivity.
The capitalist project of dismantling democracy, and installing the profoundly undemocratic structures of a corporation into what's left of government is nearing completion.
marxistsocialist,
I wish you were right that capitalism inevitably evolves into socialism but I seriously doubt it. We are in new territory, particularly because of technical advances, and you should understand that the real elites, behind the curtain, are aware of the ecological crises (which may increase the motivation and urgency in creating a small and separate super-elite) and also of emerging technical capabilities. Robots armed with Artificial Intelligence and WMD can provide more protection for small elite populations than we ever dreamt possible in the past, and genetic engineering, along with the possibility of implanted chips, can provide the opportunity that the progeny of the elites develop into a new human, a superhuman, that will be separate from the teeming masses and that could treat them as cattle or vermin.
The times are far more perilous than most here are willing to admit.
Nicely designed, well laid-out arguments in this thread.
JACK CANUCK: Thank you for your intelligent, calm response to MIFTIN. Miftin reminds me of the guy that bombs the abortion clinic, is so "pro life" due to his last girlfriend aborting HIS baby. His issues are personalized and generalized to demonize and entire people. Not kosher!
Excellent points: IPENEK, WELSH TERRIER 2 & KATHLEEN PEREZ. It's always refreshing to learn new things from well-informed minds who contribute to this forum.
miftin (Sunday, 6:39 pm ) writes, "This entire Liberal vs Conservative debate is a bogus attempt to further Judaism, which as Karl Marx and his contemporaries called it–consumerism. "Judaism does not need to be saved from the world, but the world needs to be saved from Judaism"–Karl Marx...." For good measure, he tosses in (11:47), "The most extreme form of Judaism is organized crime...."
- I'm astonished that CD posters have (with a handful of honorable exceptions such as Jack Canuck, Arry & Kathleen Perez) largely allowed this ludicrous bit of rank anti-Semitism to pass unchallenged. The fact that miftin tries to camouflage his thuggishness with references to Marx, Cuba & Christopher Lasch, etc, attempting to provide a "Left"-sounding pseudo-intellectual cover for his hate-mongering, doesn't make his slop any better. It actually makes it even more contemptible.
OK, so if I read this whole board correctly, it's OK to criticize people who call themselves Christians, hypocritical and hate-mongering as they may be, but it's strictly forbidden to criticize people who call themselves Jewish, hypocritical and hate-mongering as they may be. Is that correct?
Demonizing either side is the trap here. It's what keeps us from living in peace (or is that too namby pamby). It has always been this way, whether it was/is families, tribes or religioous groups ? Life itself is based on consuming resources to survive, and these are always the resources that others may use for their own survival. We are the only species that have the opportunity to try and figure out how to consciously fulfill our own needs while not depleting resources for the others. Laying down the gauntlet and saying that "liberals" are too weak to fight back, is just a challenge for that side to develop their own form of violence in the race for resources, and it only serves to foster the walls between us all. I'm not saying I/we have the answers, but drawing up sides before we even identify what we're fighting for is surely counterproductive, if not downright childish.
Kathleen Perez: your education is impecable, and indeed, another thing we have to point out about capitalism, is that capitalism is just a stage in political-systems. All things evolve, political-systems also evolve and change thru time. Sooner or later capitalism will evolve into socialism, even if american conservatives who want to *conserve* the current capitalist-system, try to conserve it by force, but force cannot work against evolution. People cannot halt and stop evolution, evolution is part of reality, wether conservatives who want to conserve every thing as it is want ir or not.
A few thoughts
My definition 0f what a Liberal principal stand
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
So called Religion
Pick a card any card that makes you feel more better.
As for our so called Ameriican history?
There were few Liberals even part of it until the Progressive moment started somewhere after The Civil War.
We all seemed to forget women had few rites in early America.
We also have forgoten those forfathers like Washington and Jefferson were way above us in terms of rights and priviledges.
And yes this country has been a White Empire from its beginning
The joke is very soon we Whites will be the minority.
Perhaps then this so called Democracy can be a real one. Hey we can hope,
Last thing- does anyone on here actually know a REAL LIBERAL?
Well if you do then you know that he or she has trouble completely aggreeing with any other Liberal.
You see most Liberals main moto is that their essence does not stink.
Ok now my definition of a CONSERVATIVE
A person who enjoys sweet dreamms while caausing everyone us to continully have nightmares.
Oh and the CONSERVATIVSs ALL AGREE THAT FOR SURE THEIR ESSENCE DOESN"T STINK
Oh I just got to mention this.
Has anyone ever saw a bird flying with just a Right Or Left Wing?
"It's dynamite and something which Senator Obama could use to devastating effect against his opponent. That is, if he chooses to use it!!!" Oh please. Obama is part of the crowd that would see the liberalism Thomas Frank writes about, disappear. The Left is not beaten in the USA. Liberals are. Liberals who think Obama is of the Left. What a delusion! As for Marx, Karl presented a critique of Capitalism. The insatiable quest for increased surplus value vis-a-vis the conversion of commodities into money and money back into commodities ad infinitum, he said, was self destructive. The internal contradictions of Capitalism are spelled out and presented as the basis of its own demise. Fascism is a reactionary response on the accelerated road to that demise. Look around and see the brown.
Here's another link describing how the potlatch was sometimes an occasion to celebrate wealth, materialism and status, and included the destruction of valuable goods.
http://www.answers.com/topic/potlatch
"My sources are the Natives tribes who live in this region."
What's that supposed to mean?
Marx wasn't saying that consumerism was Judaism. He was saying that man, as a whole, lived a life that, once it moved past the need of primitive society for the things of bare existence, or sustained production and economy, that all excess or consumerist notions of humanity are rationalized through the prism of religion, be it Judaism, Christianity or whatever. His "concluding" call for the emancipation of society from Judaism, which is found at the end of his essay the Jewish Question. was a call for the emancipation of society from every religion which is used to justify the domination of humanity by our own forms of economy. Religion enters with commerce into a sort of ideological and psychic mobius strip within which commerce appears to be the hand of God and vice versa. This trip can be seen not only in late capitalism, but also within the forms of "socialism" built by Stalin, the former Christian seminarian, and his ideological followers.
Which takes us back to Mr. Frank's citation of Margaret Thatcher's ambition of "changing the soul". The market system, foul as it is, can only continue to exist by claiming the powers of God via "invisible hands", "magic" of the market and other such fetishes. Capital is backwards because it claims humanity should wait on the creation of its hands, which is a little like starting your car and expecting it to know where you're going.
Maybe that last simile is akward, given the way most of us drive.
RichM,
For the most part I think you nailed it. However, as hypocritical as Liberalism is by appealing to capitalist business to fund Liberal society, the Right is also utterly hypocritical by appealing to a Christian ethos to shield it from judgement. I think the cloak of Christianity is merely the sheepskin covering the wolf and bloodied claws for most of these people. There really is no concept with them that the meek shall inherit the Earth. But I think you're spot-on in so many ways. As a liberal you simply can't appeal to a conservative with a line like "this is a good idea; this will help people" when helping people unconditionally is an utterly alien concept, or even a concept held with contempt. I was once in an unfortunate business partnership where the other partner held all the purse strings, even though I contributed equally or even more to the business. It wasn't long before I realized that the person who has the wallet is the one that calls the shots--and the one who believes he has the right to regard the other one with contempt. Every time that damned wallet opened I felt smaller and smaller. It's really a case where one side (Liberals) can't understand that the other despises them, they're so convinced that it shouldn't be that way.
TeriD,
"Politics" = who gets what.
Good for Jesus.
"Is that "fresh eyed" enough for you?"
No.
Yeah, Moses came down from the mountain after speaking with " ", saw the Jews worshiping the "Golden Calf" and proceeded to slaughter quite a few of them by hitting them over the head with the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" rock.
Ancient Galilee was a class-based agrarian domination system. The top five social classes systemically exploited the lower four classes. It was an "Honor-Shame" society where honor equated with serving the system and shame was equated with rocking the boat and therefore losing one's economic viability through loss of class standing. It was also a purity system, which kept the various social classes from interacting with each other, specifically for the purpose of furthering the domination system. Purity meant divide and conquer. So it was an honor-shame society inside a purity system. This served the Romans quite well, because the people all kept toiling and trying to serve their "God" which was to maintain honor by continuing to earn money for the higher classes to skim, just like our own Zionist gangsters. Then Jesus came along and began telling the lower classes that they should, indeed, eat and drink together, that purity is only a man-made system, and that honor constitutes acting with compassion and love toward their fellow humans, across class lines, and that preserving their honor has absolutely nothing to do with serving the overlords of the society.
Is that "fresh eyed" enough for you?
By J-C, I mean "Judeo-Christian", not "Jesus Christ", although a case could be made for that, too.
miftin says, "we'd better take a good, honest look at the possibility of Marx and his contemporaries being correct that consumerism and its later manifestation in commercialism (and, progressively, hyper-commercialism) equals Judaism."
Lasch isn't only about capitalism and its origins. He is a perceptive critic of consumerism in the book I mentioned as well as in several others, e.g. "The Culture of Narcissism". In a way, he puts many other critics to shame because it becomes clear that they are actually analyzing commercialism from within commercialism (or the culture of "progress") while claiming to be "radical".
The trouble with your "Judaic" interpretation is that it ignores huge swaths of history (much of which post-dates Marx), continents of history.
In a way, it reminds me of Freud and his "complexes" which narrow everything down to easily grasped stories and ignore evidence everywhere else. (The development of marketing, advertising, psychological manipulation, flash, commercial r&d, boosterism, assembly line, "efficiency", industrial production engendered by WWII, television as the primary drug, and so on. It is absurd to label all of this "Judaism" because is arises largely from elements in U.S. history and not simply "Judaic" elements.)
Personally, while I admire Jesus as a fellow revolutionary, sometimes I wish people could forget or blank out the whole Judeo-Christian tradition for just a little while and look at what's really here with fresh eyes. The J-C thing has got them hypnotized.
The OP hit the nail on the head: wildly disproportionate wealth creates a plutocracy, i.e., a state where the wealthy control the government to serve their interests rather than the interests of the entire country.
So called "liberal" Democrats are genuinely shocked when they are criticized from the left. They don't understand why calling for universal health care or better education or a safer food supply or more "progressive" judges or reductions in carbon emissions don't seem to satisfy their critics on the left. Rather than actually trying to understand, they can't see beyond the argument that "the left has no chance of winning."
The left is not blameless here either. For generations in the US, the left has lacked a pragmatic political strategy. Worse, it's not necessarily clear the left even has a political strategy.
Toward that end, allow me to offer a few of what I see are the missing pieces. Liberals, even Democrats, are certainly right to argue that you can't bring changes if you don't have power. Sadly, that's the absurdity of the agenda they propose because they lack an understanding of the essential struggle. Democrats see the primary battle in terms of constituencies. By definition, their so called power eminates from a house divided. The proper agenda of "big tent" struggle must be to wrest power away from those traitorous tyrants who subordinate the interests of the American people and the country itself for their own greed. Instead, the Democratic Party, a house divided, offers an agenda so diluted that it is virtually no agenda at all.
The battle we are engaged in is, and must be, a battle against the commercialization and the privatization of life in America. It's about stopping those who put profits before people. It's about seizing power from those who conduct foreign policy to benefit military contractors and big oil. It's about defanging those whose conduct of our foreign policy inevitably turns the rest of the world against the US.
Can you imagine Obama or Clinton or Kerry or Pelosi or Reid or even the liberal darling of 2004, Howard Dean, standing up in front of the American people and proclaiming, not that Bush messed up in Iraq because he was incompetent but, far more importantly, because his MOTIVES were corrupt? Can you imagine mainstream "liberal" Democrats standing up and talking about a massive transfer of budgetary priorities away from the military budget and into the laundry list of programs they love to promise the American people but will never have the funds to deliver? Can you imagine liberal Democrats acknowledging not that the slaughter of so many innocent Americans on 9/11 was justified but asking what motivated those who did the deed to take the action they took? Even in accepting the 9/11 Commission's report, and many do not, can you imagine asking whether an immoral US foreign policy might just possibly have been a cause, even if unjustified, for the attacks on the US? Liberal Democrats wouldn't go within a million miles of even asking the question. They don't see that it's not un-American to ask whether the US Government's bullying conduct in the Middle East could have played a role. All they see is political risk. When you're a party that's afraid to tell the truth, or worse, even ask the questions that might lead to the truth, you are truly a party bankrupt of integrity.
Liberal Democrats refuse to acknowledge how greedy and corrupt the whole system has become. They emphasize "collegiality" in the Senate while war criminals and thieves control the agenda of the nation. Instead of delivering the bad news to the American people about how corrupt things are, they seek safer, more "pragmatic" political strategies. The problem is not with the Democrats' laundry list; the problem is with their fundamental failure to tell the truth and fight to restore power to the American people. They offer bandaids to the wounded rather than offering to lead the struggle to retake power and restore the people's government to its rightful owners.
As for the left, I fear there has been too much focus for far too long on dead-end arguments about capitalism and socialism. The argument is NOT that these aren't critically important issues to address; the argument is that advocating democracy, however unattainable, is a more pragmatic first step. At a time when neo-conservatism seems to be approaching it ultimate bankrupt destiny, the battle for the next generation of political thinkers and the next generation of activists is reaching a tipping point. My very informal read of the landscape is that libertarianism rather than the agenda of the left may be gaining a foothold. I truly hope I'm wrong about that.
To Jacob Freeze who writes - Take back the money - I say that its a great sentiment, but how do you do that? Any ideas?
To JimmyJazz,
You're right and you're wrong when you say that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. It's true that there is no fundamental ideological difference between the 2 parties, but history has shown that one is bad and the other is worse. And the system is rigged so that you have to choose between the two because its the only choices you got. If you want more choices, you'll have to change the system.
As for Miftin, being a Jew, I take umbrage with your equation of Judaism and consumerism. The opposite is true.
Do you know the story of the Golden Calf? Do you know what it means, what it represents?
Probably not, so i"ll tell you. Moses was so outraged when he descended from Mount Sinai to find the Israelites celebrating and worshipping a golden statue that he smashed original tablets containing the 10 commandments against the rocks and shattered them.
Do you have any idea what that golden statue represents?
Its Mammon. And who is Mammon?
Mammon represents nihilism, materialism and self indulgence, i.e. Consummerism. Mammon is an abomination in Judaism.
Perhaps it is because I'm a Jew that I'm attracted to ideas about economies and economic systems based on principles of conservation rather of consumption. We're a long way from that right now.
The fact is, Worship of Mammon is practically universal, and is practiced by many Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike the other 6 days of the week.
atlantis
I think your idea of not paying back credit card debt is great - but everyone would have to stop paying at once for it to work.
Another idea would be to stop buying anything that is made with corporate industrial production, then we could strangle the Beast slowly.
With the coming depression, there will be lots of cool used stuff available, and people will have to grow their own food anyway. Just think what an "Everyday is Buy Nothing Day" would do to the stock portfolios of the rich!
Of course we would have to rebuild our local communities to make up for all the jobs lost. But then there won't be any Television so we'll have the free time.
Progressive liberation can never be defeated, It is the life breath of every human to be free from the shackles of authoritarian rule.
The Pharisee lawyers also did a lot of lying and emptying of the grain silos.
I take issue on only one niggling point, ie. the classification of the US as an oligarchy. I believe that the US has traditionally had an oligarchy, but it seems to me to have evolved into an unabashed Kleptocracy.
What is most startling of all is the blatancy of the theft. I couldn't believe it when I heard the story of the pallets of $1000 bills, tons of $1000 bills, taken from the National Treasury, under the nose of Alan Greenspan, flown to Iraq and "distributed" with absolutely no accounting whatsoever, and somehow, even this failed to outrage Americans. They've become so used to being openly lied to and robbed blind, they expect it.
Its not news.
They've emptied out your National Treasury and they've maxed out all your credit cards, left you and children and your grandchild stuck with the debt, and they not only made off with all the cash, but they've fixed the system so that your kids and grand kids, and great grand kids will owe that debt to their kids and grand kids, and great grand kids. And it looks like its already a done deal.
Cuba has a government for and by the people. The right-wing billionaires were kicked out, even if they did manage to take much of their liquid assets with them. Meyer Lansky and his crowd just moved to Miami. The most extreme form of Judaism is organized crime. Those big Zionist gangsters prided themselves in being pioneering American capitalists. You think they're gone? They're sitting around counting their corporate investments nowadays. They're PO'ed because their CIA can't turn one out of every ten Cubans into a heroin addict. One out of twenty Iranians is a heroin addict. You think that's by accident?
"So you think all of this is just going to go away if Obama gets in?"
yea, just ask the regular DPA that blog here
Take back the money!
It's weird that Mr. Frank diagnoses the disease... "democracy cannot work when wealth is distributed as lopsidedly as theirs was-and as ours is"... and completely avoids discussing the obvious cure: Break the gigantic fortunes, and take back the money that the $400 million CEOs have stolen from the rest of us.
The Constitutional prohibition against "taking" may forbid this operation in one form or another, but after the deed is done, and all those suddenly flat-broke zillionaires have been working minimum wage jobs for 15 years while the case makes its way through the courts as slowly as the rest of us can arrange for it to move, we may have been able to restore democracy sufficiently so that a very very very slow program of repayment for all the billions seized from right-wing billionaires...
That's a very very very slow program to repay all the right-wing billionaires for the billions we seized from them...
With a very very very small rate of interest paid on all those billions while the federal government controlled them...
By that time, all that money may not be worth much, if we arrange for inflation to creep up to a level that isn't troublesome to the rest of us, but gradually erodes the value of all those seized billions, that we already spent on infrastructure and social programs anyway...
Take back the money!
Let the billionaires work minimum wage jobs for 15 years, and then give them their money back back at its newly deflated value of almost nothing.
It's exactly what all those jerks deserve, and during that 15 years when all those right-wing former billionaires can't control the media and buy elections, maybe the rest of us can restore our democracy to something resembling government for and by the people.
The left is already beaten in America, beaten to death with the blunt weapon of a crude anti-communism, imo. Read A People's History (or anything else by Zinn) and Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky & Herman, and watch the dominant liberal/conservative framing of our political debate wither away into an insignificant distinction before the actual facts.
Obama has already chosen free market fundamentalists as his economic advisers: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080630/klein
He won't change a thing. I'm almost tempted to vote for him, just so I can always say that I was once *personally* let down by a liberal Democratic golden boy who didn't really make any changes. But...nah. :)
arry,
Thanks for the response. I first read Christopher Lasch over two decades ago in a Harpers (or Atlantic Monthly) article called "The Degradation of Art and the Apotheosis of Work." I think I might have been homeless and living in my car at the time, but I remember reading it in the car at night under a street lamp in a grocery store parking lot, and being fascinated by the analysis. I might still have that magazine tucked away here in my study.
I think the central issue is consumerism, not necessarily capitalism or even the early roots of capitalism. Probably the most significant thing that Jesus of Nazareth is said to have done was over-throw the tables of the money lenders, and if Jesus' taught and practiced an enlightened form of Judaism, and if over-throwing the tables of the money-lenders and merchants was what got him executed, then we'd better take a good, honest look at the possibility of Marx and his contemporaries being correct that consumerism and its later manifestation in commercialism (and, progressively, hyper-commercialism) equals Judaism. Let's not forget that Wal-Mart and McDonald's does no business in Iran, nor until fairly recently, there were no Burger Kings in Iraq.
Ubrew12 says: "America was a truly GREAT country between the 1950s and 1980s." Huh? Are we supposed to forget McCarthyism, racial segregation, the Korean and VietNam wars, The Shah, The support for Saddam Husein, and on and on and on? Think before you write!
Ezeflyer adds: "Defunding the right could be accomplished by a violent and bloody revolution by reactionary left wing conservatives as Pissant suggests. Or the right can easily be defunded by peaceful liberal means like using the referendum for making laws or by turning corporations to our advantage by incorporating We the People." For starters, in case nobody noticed, the 'right' makes the rules without regard for referendums, or We the People! Secondly, violence and blood in the necessary communist revolution will without doubt be the result of capitalist reaction to the just aspirations of working people. It is a sure thing that the 'owners' of our society will not give up their illegitimate privelege without resorting to violence. It's too bad that you have chosen to be their tool.
To TRUTHKNOLLER: You will get nowhere by renaming the justice of socialism to suit our enemies. Leave that chicanery to the Democrats! Show some courage, and call it what it is, assertively. The shame is on their shoulders, not ours!
For an un-muddled formula to pull out of this mess, see my first post. There is nothing here that can challenge it in the light of day.
As long as The People don't believe they are the ones in charge, and thus don't act like it... they aren't.
The real work begins January 21st... and I don't mean the president, reps or senators.
Unless McCain wins. Then the only option is tequila.
In 1961, when JFK took office, he was amazed to find out that 52 individuals with incomes for 500 K or more paid no taxes, legally. 500K at that time is about 5 million today (what McCain calls rich).
In the below link, you will see how Tax Free Foundations make it possible for the super rich to pay no taxes. Instead, they use the foundations to control key elements of our societies with grants.
http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030304lberg/030304ch10.html
The below link is to an online book that will teach you about the conspiracy that continues today ( it is from 1971 ).
http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/ebooks/none_dare_call_it_conspiracy_allen.pdf
These posts are shitty. I'm going to make myself a drink!
1. Let's have a simultaneous pullout of Russians from Georgia and Americans from Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran (clandestine American spies trying to connect with local groups and foment war).
2. Institute a new social studies curriculum in American schools to study Republican bias since Republicans are the ones who are bringing us closest to world war. Do not invite Condoleeza Rice to teach in this program.
3. Replace Brian Williams with German Premier Angela Merkel, who said of the situation in Georgia, "Probably both sides are to blame."
Jakenewton
I have absolutely no interest in playing your little games. My sources are the Natives tribes who live in this region. Not your 5th grade study.
"The potlatch was not about destroying property.It became that when the White man arrived and started to provide them with beads weapons and such."
Really? Any sources for that?
Thank you, Thomas Frank, for this excellent essay, and to fellow readers for all of these compelling posts.
Fascinating reading. Change I/we can believe in.
that's what we should do as you indicated in your last paragraph. but we, alas, are not doing it. instead, we let kids sit in front of the t.v. watching anything from idiotic cartoons, comercials, mtv, etc... and then when they get older, the media do indeed brainwash them. kids need to be taught to produce and think creatively instead of consuming, consuming, and consuming... buying more crap from big business box stores and ending up a slave to corporate interests in the workforce.
we need to take away the cell phones, the nintendo games, the barbie dolls, the gas guzzling cars, the toy trucks, the slumber parties, and emphasize that they participate in gardening, in building eco-friendly homes and other things, in writing poetry, in maintaining a journal so that they can hone their writing skills to one day write good articles, in watching nature friendly documentaries, in developing organizational skills, in creative seminors to learn something of value. we need to help them see the value of eating lower on the food chain and of not eating out at mcworld for a quick fattening burger to stuff into their brainless, consumer-whoring bodies and we need to start young. american kids are fatter, dumber, and can't walk or ride their bikes regularly to go anywhere. they learn that they can take the damn car to even go to a convenience store 3-4 blocks away. i have hope... but a slim one at that.
wilmoor August 17th, 2008 12:58 pm
Looks like we're in another real civil war, doesn't it. This one, not to free slaves, but to create them.
coyotebreath makes a very good point. I'd put education at the top of the list though. Kids are taught to be brain dead in school and are kept that way with programming by the sick media and electronic gadgets that have flooded the market.
Many have said on CD that we need to become involved in the community; organizing get-togethers and neighborhood block parties, and whatever else to get people together like we once were.
miftin -- I agree with your assessment of consumerism, but I think the term "Judaism" is not accurate considering wealthy elements in New England, for example, (the Bush family, e.g.) that used their money and political connections to create a capitalist empire, sending out minions to the boonies to impress all the Babbitts and boosters and small-time politicians who, in turn, took to the program with enthusiasm, gleefully promoting consumerism through the chamber of commerces (and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) ,the Advertising Council, etc. to consciously make the populace as stupid and malleable as possible.
I think Christopher Lasch (as much he doesn't follow the "progressive line", certainly not the liberal line) has much to say about liberalism and conservatism as two strands in the ideology of "progress", progress being the enveloping concept that allows the economic machine to look reasonable and inevitable when it is, in fact, neither.
In "The True and Only Heaven", Lasch tries to identify the tradition that has always been critical and unaccepting of "progress". Some places he goes may be surprising to many readers.
(BTW, think of the "prairie fire" of agrarian radicalism of the 1870's through the early 1890's. Then, within a span of a few short years, the farming country was as "conservative" as it gets. Does it seem strange and does it indicate that the so-called political spectrum is askew and may be a faulty tool of analysis?)
"The Democrats who have taken their place are an improvement, certainly"
Certainly? Oh, reeeeally now, Mr. Frank? What planet are you living on?
There IS no liberal America at this point. What we DO have in 2008 is a "Generic Party".
There are no leaders (they've all been killed or marginalized), there is no national "progressive" media to bring us together (look at The Nation's latest sucking-up to Obama with its now pitiful group of "signer-on'er's ...even Zinn my God).
We we finally realize we've been "Gandhi-ized", maybe we'll start fighting back. We should remember, the REAL changes that happened in the'60s were made only when people started burning buildings and taking over studios, and university offices--in general--pushing back...HARD.
Plot against Liberal America? Riiiight!
What we have now leading us are a bunch of PUSSIES. (my apologies to honest-to-good, REAL pussies out there)
TeriD, I think the problem boils down to defining who the "liberal populace" is.
I distrust anyone who is into politics or says they like politics.
So, having removed that group, along with all the politicians, I think the "liberal populace" are those who don't like politics, aren't active supporters of any political party, but ARE decent people who want things run fairly.
Glad that's been cleared up. ;)
The Democratic party starting with Jimmy Carter and on is as guilty as the republicans. The differences between them is difference in flavor
and not real policy. A good example is like the difference between
Coke and Pepsi
I remember reading a book on Reaganomics years ago, It was called "Greed is Not Enough". It seems all the "trickle down" effects of that time went disproportionatley into fur coats and trips to Hawaii. Go figure. Now those dollars go into huge SUV's and trips to who-knows-where... maybe Hell would be hot enough for these sub-par, nasty individuals.
I do believe more Ghandi/Martin Luther King type actions and ideas could help-otherwise we may need to go for a "V for Vendetta" type deal,get the people deeply involved because most do know the public good REALLY DOES MATTER- but tend to be overwhelmed by the Right's incessant attacks on EVERYTHING fair and positive and decent.
So, to say RichM is correct, and a fine analysis, begs the question...how doess a "liberal" stand up for the common good, for our common dreams- while dealing with very sick, vicious,uber focused excuses for humanity. V for Vendetta had something, you might need to go real big to stir things up enough to make real, postive change possible.
No conservative ideal or policy has ever improved the human condition.
The potlatch was not about destroying property.It became that when the White man arrived and started to provide them with beads weapons and such.
Or small pox infested Blankets which the natives were right to destroy.
Don't believe the "white mans" spin on the Potlatch. They wanted to get rid of the ceremony and did all they could to denigrate it. It was distribution of wealth from the top down.
This scares certain people.
Others have spoken to the topic of "Conformity" as used by the Governments of today to ensure that the wealthy remain in power.
This is exactly what a Fascist type state will count on. People should not believe that Americans would not be willing to fire upon their fellow Americans. They will do so if it means conforming.
The whole reason for dressing the people up in Uniforms is to promote uniform behaviour. They will march in order. They will maneuver in order. They will fire on order.
The Uniform was designed to remove Individuality. It is by design to show that the person in uniform is a function of and property of a given State. If that State a Plutocracy, then the purpose of the Military is to serve the Plutocracy.
PK
No relation to the link name BTW.
I did a report about this in 5th grade or so, that's what I remember was that a potlatch was often a competition as to who could destroy the most stuff. Of course, the natives of that area were greatly blessed with abundant food resources and had the luxury of the free time needed to develop a high art tradition, and were indeed very wealthy in that sense.
No relation to the link name BTW.
I did a report about this in 5th grade or so, that's what I remember was that a potlatch was often a competition as to who could destroy the most stuff. Of course, the natives of that area were greatly blessed with abundant food resources and had the luxery of the free time needed to develop a high art tradition, and were indeed very wealthy in that sense.
TeriD, sorry, you said "liberal populace". Well, I'm still not so sure.
I know someone "left-wing" - which many liberals are not - and he is definitely attracted to the idea of compromise with the opposition, believing this will further the interests of the left. He also has views well entrenched in the right.
However, he seems a bit disillusioned now. Not before time, I have to say.
"One ceremony the Native Americans used to practice here on the West Coast was the "potlatch". This involved the highest ranking members of society giving away acquired goods and the like to the poorest."
Refresh my memory please, I seem to remember that the potlatch often involved the burning of goods such as canoes and artworks, with the idea that the one who could burn more was superior to his neighbor?
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/500-599/nb509.htm
TeriD, not to but in on someone else's argument, but I don't think the populace is much better, otherwise how do explain Bush getting back in for a second term? And why does everyone say voting for a third party is a wasted vote?
The masses are in denial, too, with one foot in rapacious capitalism, swallowing most of the lies, and just a toe of the other foot dipped in a trickle of concern for others.
This entire Liberal vs Conservative debate is a bogus attempt to further Judaism, which as Karl Marx and his contemporaries called it--consumerism. "Judaism does not need to be saved from the world, but the world needs to be saved from Judaism"--Karl Marx. If you want to save the world from consumerism (Judaism), stop buy things except the absolute, bare necessities, and this includes books written by advocates of Judiasm.
http://www.adbusters.org
richm.
i was referring to liberal populace.. meaning more aligned with the people reading common dreams.. not so much liberal politician..
almost all politics is about ego, needing/ wanting to win, wanting to assert a particular set of values or ideas over others..
energetically, politicians are a very close relative of performers.. the need the audience/ love/ approval/acceptance.. it is how they define themselves as good/worthy/loved..
How about this: a Constitutional amendment declaring the USA officially a plutocracy. Cut to the chase, eliminate the hypocrisy, shatter the facade.