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Georgia War a Neocon Election Ploy?
Is it possible that this time the October surprise was tried in August, and that the garbage issue of brave little Georgia struggling for its survival from the grasp of the Russian bear was stoked to influence the U.S. presidential election?
Before you dismiss that possibility, consider the role of one Randy Scheunemann, for four years a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government who ended his official lobbying connection only in March, months after he became Republican presidential candidate John McCain's senior foreign policy adviser.
Previously, Scheunemann was best known as one of the neoconservatives who engineered the war in Iraq when he was a director of the Project for a New American Century. It was Scheunemann who, after working on the McCain 2000 presidential campaign, headed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which championed the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
There are telltale signs that he played a similar role in the recent Georgia flare-up. How else to explain the folly of his close friend and former employer, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, in ordering an invasion of the breakaway region of South Ossetia, an invasion that clearly was expected to produce a Russian counterreaction? It is inconceivable that Saakashvili would have triggered this dangerous escalation without some assurance from influential Americans he trusted, like Scheunemann, that the United States would have his back. Scheunemann long guided McCain in these matters, even before he was officially running foreign policy for McCain's presidential campaign.
In 2005, while registered as a paid lobbyist for Georgia, Scheunemann worked with McCain to draft a congressional resolution pushing for Georgia's membership in NATO. A year later, while still on the Georgian payroll, Scheunemann accompanied McCain on a trip to that country, where they met with Saakashvili and supported his bellicose views toward Russia's Vladimir Putin.
Scheunemann is at the center of the neoconservative cabal that has come to dominate the Republican candidate's foreign policy stance in a replay of the run-up to the war against Iraq. These folks are always looking for a foreign enemy on which to base a new Cold War, and with the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime it was Putin's Russia that came increasingly to fit the bill.
Yes, it sounds diabolical, but that may be the most accurate way to assess the designs of the McCain campaign in matters of war and peace. There is every indication that the candidate's demonization of Russian leader Putin is an even grander plan than the previous use of Saddam to fuel American militarism with the fearsome enemy that it desperately needs.
McCain gets to look tough with a new Cold War to fight while Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, scrambling to make sense of a more measured foreign policy posture, will seem weak in comparison. Meanwhile, the dire consequences of the Bush legacy that McCain has inherited, from the disaster of Iraq to the economic meltdown, conveniently will be ignored. But the military-industrial complex, which has helped bankroll the neoconservatives, will be provided with an excuse for ramping up a military budget that is already bigger than that of the rest of the world combined.
What is at work here is a neoconservative, self-fulfilling prophecy in which Russia is turned into an enemy that expands its largely reduced military, and Putin is cast as the new Josef Stalin bogeyman, evoking images of the old Soviet Union. McCain has condemned a "revanchist Russia" that should once again be contained. Although Putin has been the enormously popular elected leader of post-Communist Russia, it is assumed that imperialism is always lurking, not only in his DNA but in that of the Russian people.
How convenient to forget that Stalin was a Georgian, and indeed if Russian troops had occupied the threatened Georgian town of Gori they would have found a museum still honoring the local boy, who made good by seizing control of the Russian revolution. Indeed five Russian bombs were allegedly dropped on Gori's Stalin Square on Tuesday.
It should also be mentioned that the post-Communist Georgians have imperial designs on South Ossetia and Abkhazia. What a stark contradiction that the United States, which championed Kosovo's independence from Serbia, now is ignoring Georgia's invasion of its ethnically rebellious provinces.
For McCain to so fervently embrace Scheunemann's neoconservative line of demonizing Russia in the interest of appearing tough during an election campaign is a reminder that a senator can be old and yet wildly irresponsible.
Robert Scheer is author of a new book, "The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11 and Weakened America."
Copyright © 2008 Truthdig, L.L.C.



94 Comments so far
Show AllThanks to abbywood and iyamwuttiam for those links.
Also it is true that the N.American media is not to be trusted. In its entirety imo. It's all propaganda. And, the European media is providing more news and factual reporting, and less propaganda. Hmm...wonder why? NOT!
Well, at least it puts to bed the tired old saw that two democracies have never gone to war against each other.
The answer is quite simple if one opens their eyes a little. OIL..the USA is manipulating this entire episode to get their greedy little claws into the cacasus pipelines into Europe.
The Great Game may be afoot, but Russia has shown the Georgians that they shouldn't mess with the Bear. Now there are plans for a Russian withdrawal. We'll see if Georgia is dumb enough to start things up again
In the psychotic game of pursuing power and the folly of its fortunes -- all things are possible -- the unthinkable as well as the horrible. Nothing is beneath the madness of such world players -- here or there.
This episode is the final proof positive that the end game for the collapse of the Soviet Union was completely bungled by the West. Now it is faced with a situation where Imperial Russia has reemerged and all that is missing from the honorifics of Vladimir Putin is the title of Czar (though for all intents and purposes, he is). Where this situation is more dangerous than the old Cold War is that instead of a two-camp face off, we are presented with a multi-faceted poker game more akin to the Great Powers rivalry (where your allies and enemies changed with each hand, err, situation) that preceded World War One. Of course, the Neo-cons have not caught on to this reality and still stuck in the "Russian Bogeyman" mode that made them a lot of money in the past. As long as this corrupt creepy crew have sounding board they do with the weapons available, the world is in danger.
bush looked into his eyes and found a kindred spirit in putin. dig up those bomb shelters of the '50's. stock them with vodka and enough sleeping pills to do the job. settle in, cormac mccarthy's 'night' in hand and go to sleep, sleepy americans, it's what you're good at.
George Wanker Bush has been peeing on the Russians' shoes for a long time. He'll invade and occupy a much weaker nation like Iraq but Russia - which he apparently detests for no other reason than that it used to be The Soviet Union - is that other proverbial kettle of fish. Every day, Bush locks himself in the Oval Office bathroom, the only place where absolutely nobody has access to him, strips jay bird naked and masturbates into the 24 carat gold plated sink while staring at himself in the medicine cabinet mirror telling his reflection what a great man he is. His latest bathroom fantasy is wiping out Russia with neutron bombs, killing every living thing and taking over all the oil and gas for himself. And oh, yes, as everyone knows, America has absolutely no problems whatsoever.
Poor little Georgia vs the big Russian bear. Nope!
The President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, is a New York trained lawyer, married to Dutch woman. He has been thoroughly groomed as a provocative puppet, armed and advised by the Bush regime.
American militarists/oligarchs, dream of Georgia becoming the first remote NATO outpost in the Caucasus. Georgia's attack on South Ossetia was orchestrated by Bush militarists. Putin's response was anticipated and welcome.
It's the military bases, gas/oil reserves, and pipelines in Russia's backyard. And the MIC profits from more war.
It's revolting to see Democrats repeat the same Neocon charge that Russia's 'violating international laws'. Now all of a sudden Democrats are worried about international laws. If they're so worried why did these Bush cocksukers give him permission to illegally invade two sovereign nations 6 years ago?
I hope Russia shatters the US dream of stealing yet another country's oil pipeline.
As John McBush said "Today, we are all paid by Georgians...well, at least I am"
After it was disclosed today that McBush's political advisors (lobbyists) have received millions of dollars from the government of Georgia.
Isn't it comforting to know that the GOP candidate's ass is owned lock, stock and barrel by a foriegn government?
I'm sure he will look after your best interests too (if you have a couple $million to throw his way)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist
It should also be mentioned that this is a US government plot to muscle the Europeans to the side inside of NATO,too. The US wants to corner the new and dependent exSoviet Union countries into its camp away from Germany, France, and Italy, and this Georgian adventure provides the means to do so.
I think this article is right on...I have been saying the same thing for 2 days. Notice the news talks about accusations that the Russians planned this to coincide with the Olympics...when it was Georgia that chose the date and attacked...Absurd levels of audacity and transferrance.
The Rupublicans are insane.
Yes, they are gaining power over their new fascist Amerika. But, like the Nazis, they are also in the process ensuring their own downfall.
The economically devastated country with no manufacturing, no resources and a broken military may allow them to take control, but it also ensures that they will also fall.
Perhaps they hope that after siezing control they will be able to rise like Germany did after WW1...I wouldn't count on it.
The fact is that the US is incredibly vulnerable. The only things protecting them right now are
1. Nuculear weapons
2. The fact that most of the world is actually adverse to war.
Without nukes, the US could not hope to fight another 1st world nation right now...at least not on the ground. The Navy is fine as is the air force.
Even the Navy has adjusted it's formations and tactics to defend more against terrorist & rogue type threats than against a real opponent. There are no longer enough ships to provide a proper Cold War style escort to each Carrier battle group.
OK, now I am just rambling.
Jaguara
Domestic issues are no-win for McCain. Fear of 'the other' must be stoked, to highlight McCain's supposed military prowess and leadership.
It is no coincidence that the largest fleet since 1991 is assembling near Iran.
Fasten your safety belts. The insanity has hardly begun!
So thousands of people were killed so McCain could gain a few points in the polls. I do hope Scheer's story gets translated into Russian and Georgian and is published there. McCain was already a certified War Criminal, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised at his killing others to gain votes.
Remember 40 years ago when Russia (USSR) and 4 of its puppet nations invaded Czechoslovakia. COincidence, I think not.
Conversation yesterday. If these people vote, be frightened, be very frightened....
ME: What a mess in Georgia. Man, neither side is a saint. Too bad civilians are caught in the middle.
X: Georgia is a friend of the US and the US is good and the Russians are bad, so we ought to help Georgia.
ME: Well the US is not necessarily good all the time.
X: (incredulously) Are you saying that the US is bad and not Russia?
ME: Well gosh, look at the last 8 years and the mess Bush got us into. I can't wait til the election
X: (dead silence) Any country that is a friend of the US deserves our help.
ME: (switching topics and thinking of a grocery list of "friends" of the US who are oh so good and whom we have "helped". After all, Saddam Hussein was once our friend, so he was good but turned bad. Our former buddies like Pinochet, the Shah and our current buddies like Saudia "behead me" Arabia and the dude from "boil me in oil" Uzbekistan. The list can fill pages.
I do concur this is a staged provocation/election year shenanigans, it just smells
Senator McCain is likely to be actually worse than George Bush with the likes of Neo-Con Scheunemann helping out.
And another point: "We" have also armed and trained Georgian troops. And Russia (and the rest of the world) has had eight years to study our arms and training in open theater. We have not enjoyed the same opportunities, nor have the Georgians.
IOW - the R's have the play book (not to mention thousands of spies throughout the region.) And the G's got their ass kicked before the end of the first quarter. Not that this still-in-control crazy bag of neo-loons cares - the more chaos, the easier it is to spread their fascist tentacles...
A political strategist, Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition, tied to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal is helping raise money for John McCain. This certainly puts the 'Brand Israel' on Senator McCain.
Last year Hugo Chavez ridiculed Bush before the UN. Russia's Putin ridiculed Bush as Comrade Wolf.
On August 12, 2008, Pravda ridiculed Bush, "Bush: Why don't you shut up."
Americans may think they are a superpower before whose presence the world trembles. But not the Russians.
Those Americans stupid enough to think that America's "superpower" insures its citizens from danger need to read the total contempt shown for President Bush in Pravda:
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? In your statement on Monday regarding the legitimate actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia, you failed to mention the war crimes perpetrated by Georgian military forces, which American advisors support, against Russian and Ossetian civilians
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? Your faithful ally, Mikhail Saakashvili, was announcing a ceasefire deal while his troops, with your advisors, were massing on Ossetia's border, which they crossed under cover of night and destroyed Tskhinvali, targeting civilian structures just like your forces did in Iraq.
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? Your American transport aircraft gave a ride home to thousands of Georgian soldiers from Iraq directly into the combat zone.
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? How do you account for the fact that among the Georgian soldiers fleeing the fighting yesterday you could clearly hear officers using American English giving orders to "Get back inside" and how do you account for the fact that there are reports of American soldiers among the Georgian casualties?
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen?
Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives?
Do you really believe you have any right to make a statement on any point of international law after your trumped-up charges against Iraq and the subsequent criminal invasion?
"President Bush,
Why don't you shut up? Suppose Russia for instance declares that Georgia has weapons of mass destruction? And that Russia knows where these WMD are, namely in Tblisi and Poti and north, south, east and west of there? And that it must be true because there is 'magnificent foreign intelligenc' such as satellite photos of milk powder factories and baby cereals producing chemical weapons and which are currently being 'driven around the country in vehicles'? Suppose Russia declares for instance that 'Saakashvili stiffed the world' and it is 'time for regime change'?
Nice and simple, isn't it, President Bush?
"So, why don't you shut up? Oh and by the way, send some more of your military advisors to Georgia, they are doing a sterling job. And they look all funny down the night sight, all green."
The US is not a superpower. It is a bankrupt farce run by imbeciles who were installed by stolen elections arranged by Karl Rove and Diebold. It is a laughing stock, that ignorantly affronts and attempts to bully an enormous country equipped with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.
Paul Craig Roberts
counterpunch.com
August 13, 2008
to me, the author's thesis is absurd, but then we're talking about the behaviors of people who are absurd.
As of this afternoon, according to news reports, young Mr. Bush has "decided" to send US troops and humanitarian aid, into Tblisi.
I agree with Mr. Roberts.
It's time for grown ups to step in.
This little fart of a country is right between Turkey and Iran. Look where the border with Iran is. Syria is also right there. What if material is being lined up for expanding the war? Launching Armageddon? Georgia is just collateral damage.
Elderlady - please please, if you have a way to do it, get the grown-ups to step in. (are there any left?)
Conversation I had last week in gas station, with 3 rednecks and a manager-type behind the counter:
Me: "Can I have one of those win-a-trip-to-Mexico scratch off cards? Not that we can go to Mexico anymore without a passport"
Redneck #1-"We can't?"
Manager type-"No. We can't. We can't go anymore to Canada or Mexico without a passport. It's really a pain"
Me-"Let me wave my American flag and brag about living in a free country!" (Said with much sarcasm)
Rednecks and manager- shock on faces as they are confronted with the cognitive dissonance of knowing about less freedom while believing that they are free. Or maybe shock that an American would speak such things.
Make Way For the Money Ball
Make way for the money ball
it's a juggernaut of greed
it's a runaway picking up speed
Make way for the money wrecking ball
selling short on the profit of the fall
the money ball overwhelms us all
The money ball is our treadmill for the man
like more poppy fields blooming in Afghanistan
to maximize the profit and forget the pain
Make way for the money ball
it's awesome shock indeed
bomb rebuild and feed
The snowballing money ball free fall
is cheered on by the neo liberal republican cons
and media dons who feed on wars
and call it freedom
Since there is no other way
make way for the money ball
help TINA!.... full spectrum stupidity...
it's on the way
Notice Germany was opposed to the US push to get Georgia into NATO.
Why doesn't Obama drop that saber rattling Richard Holbrooke - who sounds just as militaristic as McCain's puppet-master, Scheunemann? We don't need Clinton's old crew of 'humanitarian' interventionists to deceive us into new imperial adventures causing the deaths and displacement of many thousands more. Either Obama is about real change for restoring our republic and its constitution or he is about mere window dressing for the empire-building.
canuckchuck, the GOP candidate's ass is owned lock, stock and barrel by many different foreign governments and corporate organizations.
Actually, his ass owned and syndicated for rent by the big Banks. Poor little Georgia could only afford shares on McCain's non-functioning left testicle.
[Top contributers: http://opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424]
I see Condoleeza Rice as having two choices: One, she can use the ever present note of hysteria in her voice to demolish the glass in all the cathedrals of the world; or, two, she can use her remaining days in office not to reprimand big, bad Russia but to withdraw all American presence from Iraq to try and undo our own misbehavior.
BushCo. & Conspirators decided in 2000 (or earlier) to restart the cold war. In the face of the post dotcom crash recession, they may be complicite in some level of facilitating 9/11, for which they used as a pretense to shock the economy back to life by letting the military industrial complex run hog wild in the bank vaults.
First invasion, Afghanistan to reportedly chase down some saudi arabians. That failed.
By coincidence Afghanistan borders russia and china.
Next invasion, Venezuela... cause we thought that would be a cheap CIA operation with a high return on investment. That failed.
Next invasion, Iraq. Because tanks and bombers need oil too. That failed.
Next invasion Poland and Czech and Britian. Because Missile Defense is good for entrenched Cold War Part II military industrial business, screw the grandkids.
Next invasion, former soviet satellite states Georgia and Latvia. BushCo & Conspirators Inc, "Hey guys come join NATO... get 2 free briefcases of cash if you signup today only!" That failed.
At what point do you call it WWIII?
The main "disproportion" (the word they all keep using) of the affair is the pathological pro-Georgia stance of virtually all US media and political figures. I did see last night, and again at noon today, the first representative of the Russian government I have yet to see speaking to US media. This was on the Charlie Rose show. Saakashvili and his his endless droves, meanwhile, are going on that principle of "repeat until it becomes truth."
And goddamn John McCain for pretty much everything he's said on this so far. To sort of (but not quite) paraphrase Bismarck, all of the Caucauses aren't worth the bleached bones of one US soldier. All comes back to oil.
robinea
You are one hundred percent on the money. Holbrooke is a disgraceful pimp for the whole neocon plan. Between McCain's foreign policy advisor (the bag man for the whole Georgia enterprise) and Holbrooke, we're looking down the same knee deep in bullshit road. If Obama doesn't dump this guy, he's not getting my vote.
No, it is not a neocon election ploy. It's simply Russia exerting influence over its neighbours.
I am frankly a bit appalled to see how easily Georgia is being blamed here. The picture really is quite simple -- Russia is supporting separatists in Georgia so that Georgia is forced to respond, and then Russia gets to send in "peacekeepers" that is just a pretext for an all-out invasion of the country.
Not everything is a conspiracy by your own right-wingers, and Russia *is* a pretty dangerous ultranationalist bully...
CptPicard -- "Russia *is* a pretty dangerous ultranationalist bully". Unlike the USA? And what exactly are the US and Israel doing in Georgia? This is another Georgia, a country, not the state that is to east of Texas. Or maybe GWB doesn't know that?
We (the current administration) have been baiting Russia with our plan to install missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic and by encouraging Georgia to seek NATO membership.
Georgia, meanwhile, has doubled its Coalition forces in Iraq, has troops in Afghanistan and Kosovo, and supports Israel in its "struggle" against the Palestinians. Could be its leadership IS composed of neocons. In 2005, PNAP started a European offshoot called The Committee for a Strong Europe. The names of its members are not published, however, as both PNAP and the new Committee no longer use their web sites.
Isolationism is looking more and more like SMART foreign policy to me. If we kept our noses and our weapons and our advice out of other countries' business, the entire world would probably be closer to true peace.
Wall to wall lies
georgia starts it with backing from israel and america and then blames Russia then has the french jew come in and cover israel butthole.
US media lock step on the lies. america is so fucked up it is amazing.
I am as critical of the USA when it is building an empire as I am of Russia when it is building its own. I simply do not understand why Russia's actions are getting such understanding here.
Being Finnish, I seriously can't ignore the lessons of history that everyone that happens to be bordering Russia has been learning over the centuries... at least during our Winter War the international community seemed to understand who the aggressor is, despite us not getting any material support in our fight to keep the bear at bay.
The fascinating thing here is how impotent the United States is in this situation.
Smaller nations should take notice of how the U.S. government will use them for their own purposes, in this case a potential NATO staging post in Eastern Europe.
But when push comes to shove, what happens? Did the Georgian president really think that he could get away with a military attack on insurgents in one of his own provinces using the distraction of the Olympic Games? How could he not have anticipated a massive (over)reaction by the Russians, using the excuse of protecting their ethnic compatriots but really showing who is the real power in the neighbourhood?
And what did he think that the U.S. would do? Send in the marines to battle the Russians? Fat chance not with that oil at risk. Anyhow the American military now only fights less powerful countries (In the case of Vietnam, gets beaten by one, in Afghanistan stalemated and in Iraq although using massive firepower to crush a weaker military, is now so despised that even the puppet government want American troops out of their country).
Thank God for the Europeans who were able to use diplomacy to stop the killing of thousands of innocent civilians.
When we fall, and we WILL fall, I can only hope it is like the British Empire. In that case we will just fade into a ourselves. However it is seeming more likely that we will fall like Rome. In that instance our power will become our weakness.
CptPicard, your misunderstanding of "why Russia's actions are getting such understanding here" may be a misunderstanding in itself. I don't really think many of the above comments are necessarily pro-Russia ...but they are anti-bullshit. A growing number of Yankees are sick of having their country led around by the nose by a handful of despicable groups - oil firms, weapons contractors, military planners, aged Cold Warriors, the zionist lobby, etc. Then, we see the guys running for President saying absurd things like: "We're all Georgians now." Bullshit! I'm not! At least not a Georgian as stupid as Saakashvili!
Even Condi Rice agrees, Saakashvili did something *really* stupid, and the result was an occupation of much of his country - maybe worse to come. Provoked or not, when you're a little country like Georgia, it's not wise to start shooting at the troops of a big country like Russia. Especially in a region that's got a huge population and a screaming urge to break away. Shall we call it a Saakashvilian error? Sure, Russia is wrong too now ...but Russia is responding to Georgia's first strike, and once those dogs of war have been let loose, that's it. Anything goes.
So, we Yankees are left wondering why our leaders are involving us in this worthless mess. Why? What the hell use is Georgia to us? Oh yes, oil ...again. So stupid it's criminal. More of the stupidity that took us to Iraq. We Yankees are very sore over this, please understand. Also understand that infinite ass-kissing by Saakashvili on CNN isn't going to help.
Like at least one of the above commentors, I am definately feeling more and more like some isolationism would be great.
bottle;
Thanks for the yuck.If you had an heirloom grand piano would you invite Condi over to play a little Beethoven?
"Either Obama is about real change for restoring our republic and its constitution or he is about mere window dressing for the empire-building."
It's the latter.
"Obama Also Cites NATO Membership For Georgia"…
…"Notably he (Obama), like McCain, embraces Georgia's aspirations to enter NATO — the key plank of a hawkish stand toward Russia, and a key source of Russia's anger.(Both McCain and Obama are reiterating past positions here.)"
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_also_cites_NATO_membership_for_Georgia.html
The powers that be in the grand ol' US of A are doing what they've done for over 100+ years; namely, using weak and gullible countries to further the interests of the ancestors of the Monroe doctrine. The only real evolution of things has been in regard to the media. There WAS a time when there were true journalists. Now it's become trite entertainment on the surface, and designed distraction in an effort to further lobotomize the American public. And it is working better than ever. After less than one week, 95 out of every 100 Americans who are aware of the Georgia cinema (and they represent only 10% of the population) believe that Russia is experiencing deja vu delusions of grandeur, and are hell bent on invading every single post- Soviet country. The mainstream media is no longer only guilty of complicity, as it was during Vietnam. Now it is an active member of the mob. So what's a guy like Obama supposed to do- really do? Sure, he should speak out about the US and Israel's supply of arms and intelligence to Georgia for months prior to the war. But the media would only twist his statements to be anti-Semitic ravings of a crazed Howard Dean clone. If he says nothing, then he's guilty of disinterest. Of course, in my opinion, I feel that he should come out shooting- on this and so many other issues. But I'm not vying for the presidency. And so, really- what should he be saying about this? Put yourself in his position. And in that respect, also consider the odds that you might die really soon in a plane crash or from a heart attack- before you ever could get to that position of beginning to get your country back on track. Call me totally deluded, but I'd like to see him stop his bullshit, and get the attention of the nation for one hour- in REAL time. Let it ALL hang out: from the total fabrications leading to the Iraq war, to the CIA's role in the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, to the demand for an international trial of everyone from Bush and Cheney to Pelosi. But that ain't gonna happen. And so, to all of you armchair quarterbacks: what play would you call?
This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a Government and get away with it. Things have changed.
-Condoleezza Rice
A supposed Russia expert would make a quote like this? Well you know what Kindosleazy, this is also not 1968 when the USA can oh what did you say? Let me look at this quote again, "[...]occupy a capital (Baghdad) overthrow a Government (Saddam Huseein Baath party) and get way with it" either.
Things have changed. No they have not Kindosleazy. Outside nations are not allowed to use nations of former Soviet Union as pawns against Russia interests. Hope you learned your lesson USA as much as Georgia has.
One rule evidently still applies Kindosleazy: Screw with Russia you get f*****! As a Russia Historian and expert, you should know better...
To all the fruitcakes here including the idiot Finn, GEORGIA INVADED SOUTH OSSETIA, a territory that voted to remain with Russia in 1991 and fought with the Georgians until they won their autonomy by treaty in 1992. Sixteen years later, with the active support of the U.S. and Israel, the Georgians launched a surprise attack which killed 2000 South Ossetian civilians. To now claim, as the fascist MSM is doing, that Russia invaded Georgia is not merely hypocritical, it is extremely dangerous. The neocon filth, Bill Kristol, etc., are now advocating WAR with Russia. Anyone who goes along with this program is an imbecile and I do mean you, CptRicard.
To be honest it seems like Russia is driving home the point that NATO membership for Georgia would be a great idea.
Russia is not entitled to an empire, and therefore entering a defensive alliance is not a punishable provocation by Georgia, no matter how much the Russians would play victim.
As a matter of fact, I have not been a huge fan of the idea of Finnish membership, but the more Russia goes down this path, the more reasonable that kind of a move sounds like.
Purvis ames, nice name-calling.. :) Seriously, countries do have this thing called territorial integrity for the time being...
Where in the hell does the US get off criticizing any country for invading another soverign nation? That is the height of arrogance.
99% of the time the US is the aggressor.
WE toppled democratically elected governments (Iran '53, Chile '73, Congo '60s).
WE invaded soverign nations (Iraq '03, Grenada '83, Haiti, Domincan Republic, Panama etc).
WE shot down an innocent, civilian airliner (Iran '88)without apology.
WE fought useless and needless wars (Iraq '03-present, Vietnam '59-'75).
WE propped up brutal dictators (Pinochet, Stroessner, The Shah, Saddam until '91, Bautista, Trujillo, Somoza, Both Duvaliers, Marcos, etc.).
WE force weaker nations to sign "agreements" granting immunity to US Citizens and withhold aid to thse who refuse.
WE bomb other nations on little on no provocation (Libya '86, Sudan '90s, Iraq '90s-'00s).
And we lecture other countries on their actions!?
What should Obama do? Assuming that he really does want to change the course of empire, he could take Hillary as his running mate if she agrees to the role of being a Venus...you know motherhood,... caring and apple pie.
Waring is more a male macho thing no? He could also find someone gay to be secretary of defense... gays are not into competitive nest building right?
Perhaps he could point out the many benefactors of war and war making, in all of our states that feed on the military industrial congressional complex, while most the bill is being footed by debt mostly Asian and by an income tax that is somewhat regressive.
X Marks the New Alpha Warrior
Show me a trampy lady
and I'll show you a warrior
or a patriot or a corporate clown
who looks good in leather
and plays Chopin kinda nice
like a new age Condoleezza Rice
Show me a patriot warrior
and I'l show you a high society lady
all class and style
you'll never emulate or tramp on
Hey don't tread on me
Show me who you are with
and I'll show you who you are
or want to be
like Genghis Kahn and the conspicuous who
who are kinda stale
like carbonized babies for freedom
and pennants that don't bleed
or plunder and oil you don't need
I should point out to the captain that Russia is already an Empire and has been for centuries.
Now class, without googling or wikipediaing, can you tell me who Shamil was and his historical importance? But first an easy question, From which Province of the Russian Empire was Stalin from?