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How Tenet Betrayed the CIA on WMD in Iraq
Journalist Ron Suskind's revelation that Saddam Hussein's intelligence chief was a prewar intelligence source reporting to the British that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction (WMD) adds yet another dimension to the systematic effort by then Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director George Tenet to quash any evidence -- no matter how credible -- that conflicted with the George W. Bush administration's propaganda line that Saddam was actively pursuing a nuclear weapons programme.
According to Suskind's new book, 'The Way of the World', Iraqi Director of Intelligence Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti had been passing on sensitive intelligence to the UK's MI6 intelligence service for more than a year before the U.S invasion. In early 2003, Suskind writes, Habbush told MI6 official Michael Shipster in Jordan that Saddam had ended his nuclear programme in 1991 and his biological weapons programme in 1996. Habbush explained to the British official that Saddam tried to maintain the impression that he did have such weapons in order to impress Iran.
Suskind writes that the head of MI6, Richard Dearlove, flew to Washington to present details of the Habbush report to Tenet, who then briefed National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. Soon after that, the CIA informed the British that the Bush administration was not interested in keeping the Habbush channel open, according to Suskind's account.
Tenet has called the story of the Habbush prewar intelligence a 'complete fabrication', claiming Habbush had 'failed to persuade' the British that he had 'anything new to offer by way of intelligence'. His statement actually reinforces Suskind's account, however, by indicating that he had simply chosen not to believe Habbush. 'There were many Iraqi officials who said both publicly and privately that Iraq had no WMD,' said the statement, 'but our foreign intelligence colleagues and we assessed that these individuals were parroting the Baath party line and trying to delay any coalition attack.'
Contradicting Tenet's claim that the British did not take the Habbush report seriously, MI6 director Dearlove told Suskind he had asked Prime Minister Tony Blair why he had not acted on the intelligence from Habbush.
Another high-level U.S. source in the last months of the Saddam regime was Saddam's foreign minister Naji Sabri. Tyler Drumheller, the CIA's chief of clandestine operations for Europe from 2001 until 2005, recounts in his book 'On the Brink' that Sadri was passing on information to an official of a European government in early autumn 2002 indicating that hints of a WMD programme were essentially a 'Potemkin village' used to impress foreign enemies.
Sidney Blumenthal wrote in Sep. 2007 that two former CIA officers who had worked on the Sabri case identified the foreign intermediary as being France and said he had been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the CIA and French intelligence to provide documents on Saddam's WMDs.
Drumheller told '60 Minutes' that Sabri 'told us that they had no active weapons of mass destruction program.'
On Sep. 17, 2002, the CIA officer who had debriefed Sabri in New York, briefed CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin, according to Blumenthal's account. McLaughlin responded that Sabri's information was at odds with 'our best source'. That was a reference to 'Curveball', the Iraqi who claimed knowledge of an Iraqi mobile bio-weapons lab programme but was later found to be a professional liar.
The next day, Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri's intelligence, but Bush rejected it out of hand as 'what Saddam wanted him to think'.
French intelligence agents later tapped Sabri's telephone conversations and determined that he was telling the truth. But it was too late. One of Tenet's deputies told the CIA officers, 'This isn't about intelligence. It's about regime change.'
Yet another highly credible U.S. source on the WMD issue in Sep. 2002 was Saad Tawfik, an electrical engineer who had been identified by the CIA as a 'key figure in Saddam Hussein's clandestine nuclear weapons programme'. The story of the CIA's handling of his testimony is told in James Risen's 'State of War'.
In early Sep. 2002, Tawfik's sister, who lived in Cleveland, flew to Baghdad with a mission from the CIA to obtain details about Saddam's nuclear weapons from her brother. But when she returned in mid-September, the CIA didn't like the report from her conversations with the source.
Tawfik told his sister that Saddam's nuclear programme had been abandoned in 1991. When she told him the CIA wanted her to ask such questions as 'how advanced is the centrifuge' and 'where are the weapons factories', Tawfik was incredulous that the CIA didn't understand that there was no such programme.
Tawfik's was only one of thirty cases of former Iraqi WMD experts who reported through relatives that Saddam had long since abandoned his dreams of WMD, according to Risen.
Both the Sabri evidence and the evidence from Tawfik and other former Iraqi experts was available to the CIA during the work on the Oct. 2002 National Intelligence Estimates (NIE). But the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence kept all of that evidence out of the NIE process.
No report based on any of that evidence was ever circulated to State, Defence or the White House, according to Risen and Blumenthal.
The disappearance of all that credible evidence reflected a deliberate decision by Tenet. The White House Iraq Group had just rolled out its new campaign to create a political climate supporting war in early September, and Tenet knew what was expected of him. As an analyst who worked on the NIE told Bob Drogin of the Los Angeles Times, 'The going-in assumption was that we were going to war, so this NIE was to be written with that in mind.' That means Tenet's account of the CIA's role in the WMD issue in his 2007 memoirs completely ignored the credible evidence from Habbush, Sabri and the former Iraqi specialists that there was no active program, as well as his own role in suppressing it.
Tenet even brazenly claimed that a 'very sensitive, highly placed source in Iraq' about whom 'little has been publicly said' had 'reported that production of chemical and biological weapons was taking place'. The reporting from the source, continuing through the NIE and beyond, 'gave those of us at the most senior level further confidence that our information about Saddam's WMD programmes was correct.'
Tenet was clearly referring to the reporting coming from the Sabri debriefings, but his description of them was a prevarication. As Blumenthal reported, they had written a report on Sabri's intelligence spelling out his view that there was no active WMD programme, but they later discovered that it had been rewritten and given an entirely new preamble asserting that Saddam already possessed chemical and biological weapons and was 'aggressively and covertly developing' nuclear weapons.
Tenet -- who was a political operator rather than an intelligence professional -- had betrayed the CIA's mission of providing objective analysis, instead choosing to serve the interests of the Bush administration in preparing the way for war. It is not difficult to imagine how he would have meekly carried out whatever was asked of him by the White House -- even forging a document and leaking it to the media, to buttress the administration's case for war.
Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist. The paperback edition of his latest book, 'Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam' was published in 2006.
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125 Comments so far
Show All"NO, it doesn't have any problems. "
Yes, it does. Please show the raw data and the computations used to come up with the compliled results as published.
"We're very confident with the results."
Did you duplicate the results? No.
"Ronald Waldman of Columbia University told the Washington Post that the survey used a method that was "tried and true" and that "this is the best estimate of mortality we have."
Did you duplicate the results? No.
"There has been a lot of support for the report's methods among the statistical community."
They are talking about the methodology itself, not how it was implemented in the field.
"The scientific community is in agreement over the statistical methods used to collect the data and the validity of the conclusions drawn by the researchers conducting the study."
There is no such thing as any homogenous entity as "The Scientific Community". There is no such agreement over the validity of the Lancet study results, specifically. Goldin is a fool for saying so.
"There were weapons inspectors there in late 2002 and early 2003 who could find NOTHING. "
While this has nothing at all to do with the Lancet study, I would tell you that absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.
"…..in the 2006 study, death certificates were checked and found in 92% of cases."
But the total number of certificates issued are no where near the number stated as the total mortality. Why?
Bush and Cheney support Lenin's adage that a lie that's told often enough becomes the truth. WRONG!
Additional problems, by implication, which are not supported anywhere else:
* On average, a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms;
* Some 800,000 or more Iraqis suffered blast wounds and other serious conflict-related injuries in the past two years, but less than a tenth of them received any kind of hospital treatment;
* Over 7% of the entire adult male population of Iraq has already been killed in violence, with no less than 10% in the worst affected areas covering most of central Iraq;
* Half a million death certificates were received by families which were never officially recorded as having been issued;
* The Coalition has killed far more Iraqis in the last year than in earlier years containing the initial massive "Shock and Awe" invasion and the major assaults on Falluja.
* incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began
* bizarre and self-destructive behaviour on the part of all but a small minority of 800,000 injured, mostly non-combatant, Iraqis;
* the utter failure of local or external agencies to notice and respond to a decimation of the adult male population in key urban areas;
* an abject failure of the media, Iraqi as well as international, to observe that Coalition-caused events of the scale they reported during the three-week invasion in 2003 have been occurring every month for over a year.
Right Keith, there are no problems. None. LOL!
From Washington Post Oct 11, 2006
Gilbert Burnham, a Johns Hopkins physician and epidemiologist, said that the estimate of Iraq's pre-invasion death rate -- 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people -- found in both of the Hopkins surveys was roughly the same estimate used by the CIA and the U.S. Census Bureau. He said he believes that attests to the accuracy of his team's results.
Sarah Leah Whitson, an official of Human Rights Watch in New York, who said, "We have no reason to question the findings or the accuracy" of the survey.
The survey cost about $50,000 and was paid for by Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Center for International Studies.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3177653.ece
From BBC March 26, 2007:
...a memo by the MoD's (Minitry of Defence) Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Roy Anderson, on 13 October, states: "The study design is robust and employs methods that are regarded as close to "best practice" in this area, given the difficulties of data collection and verification in the present circumstances in Iraq."
(A Foreign Office e-mail: "However, the survey methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones."
No one, NO ONE, actually knows the total numbers ~JAKE~. Is "guesstimates" of half a million or more truely that more important than 60,000 or 150,000? I believe the important fact is, Bush authorized an invasion of a county based upon outright lies for reasons, a country which had not started a war with us and didn't intend to.
A country which was being inspected by the Hans Bliss UN team and they had found nothing that was a threat to us and Bush ordered Bliss out of Iraq. Why didn't Bush attack North Korea instead with the faulty reasoning he spit out? Everyone who is sensible and honest now knows the Iraqi war was totally unjustified and the total number of dead is irrelavent to that truth.
"No one, NO ONE, actually knows the total numbers "
Agreed.
"Is "guesstimates" of half a million or more truely that more important than 60,000 or 150,000? "
Friends, family, and those who empathize with the additional 350,000 to 440,000 would say that yes, they are important.
Keith, what's your problem? Why do you claim on the one hand that there are no problems with the study while on the other hand specifically ignore the problems that I have stated? In your last post, you yet again provide a quote from someone saying the methodology is sound, but you ignore the problems stated regarding the implemetation of that methodology?
Shall I assume you will not address the issue about numbers of death certificates that don't reconcile? Or that there should have been many more people seeking help from woundings than supported in hospital records?
Will you continue to ignore that Lancet has not made raw data available, or published the formulas used to reach the data as compiled, or that because of this no one has duplicated the results?
I have an idea, why don't you find *yet another* quote restating that the methodology used is sound?
Frank Harrell Jr., chairman of the biostatistics department at Vanderbilt University, told the Associated Press the study incorporated "rigorous, well-justified analysis" of the data.
Richard Garfield, a public health professor at Columbia University who works closely with a number of the authors of the report, told The Christian Science Monitor: "That's exactly wrong. There is no discrediting of this methodology. I don't think there's anyone who's been involved in mortality research who thinks there's a better way to do it in unsecured areas. I have never heard of any argument in this field that says there's a better way to do it."
The sampling "is solid. The methodology is as good as it gets," said John Zogby, whose polling agency, Zogby International, has done several surveys in Iraq since the war began. "It is what people in the statistics business do." Zogby said similar survey methods have been used to estimate casualty figures in other conflicts, such as Darfur and the Congo.
Their Report:
http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/reports/human-cost-war-101106.pdf
page 22 is "How Are So Many Fatalities Possible"
The BBC, Oct 20, 2006:
Professor Gilbert Burnham, another of the report's authors and an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said: "We're very confident with the results."
And other epidemiologists supported that view. Ronald Waldman of Columbia University told the Washington Post that the survey used a method that was "tried and true" and that "this is the best estimate of mortality we have."
There has been a lot of support for the report's methods among the statistical community. For example, stats.org at George Mason University has an online article by Rebecca Goldin who says: "While the Lancet numbers are shocking, the study's methodology is not. The scientific community is in agreement over the statistical methods used to collect the data and the validity of the conclusions drawn by the researchers conducting the study."
"I have an idea, why don't you find *yet another* quote restating that the methodology used is sound?"
I guess Keith can't recognize sarcasm.
wake up......They don't care that these articles are written about all the lies that got us into 2 wars as of late. Nothing is going to happen to these socio-paths and they know it. Has anyone arrested them and charged with any crime, NOPE. They know we(you and me) are to afraid to do anything about it. The judical and legi-(slave)-tive puntas are on there(ponerological fascists) payroll and of course the propagandist who pass off as the media just tell us what they are told to tell us. Just jump off the moving train and wake up.....
From the London Times:
"A study that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros."
"Soros, 77, provided almost half the nearly $100,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. "
You people need to understand that the CIA has been a DISASTER ever since the "Cold War" ended and this was long before Tenet was onboard. Instead of depending on the BIG GOVERNMENT built by the "conservatives", you all would be better off ABOLISHING the CIA and in the process fighting for true government reform. Anyone who thinks the CIA is "good" is a sissy and a LOSER !
Bush and Cheney ordered Tenet to alter the annual NIE report and he altered it.
Welcome back verocity. Long time no see.
The most serious reason Bush and Cheney should have been impeached years ago. Our press refused to publish this.
What part of "high crimes and misdemeanors" does Pelosi not understand???!!!
Pelosi is likely being black mailed.
Like a bubble,
Long wedged underwater,
Truth eventually surfaces ...
Porter hit it dead on when he writes "Tenet ... was a political operator rather than an intelligence professional". We can to some extent blame President Clinton for "giving" us this toad as the head of the CIA, but the Bushies are nothing if not craven, cynical and duplicitous politicians; they simply recognized those shared traits in Tenet, and having done so they played him the way that they needed to. There simply cannot be enough analysis done as to the co-opting and corrupting of the CIA under Bush (and by extension Tenet). The lesson of this piece of history continues to be that "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely". One of my enduring mental images of the past eight years will be that photo of Bush stringing the Medal of Freedom around Tenet's pudgy little neck. History will not be kind to Bush, and the more that Tenet shares that history with Bush the better for the country, and for its true patriots.
I've been reading also about how the FBI hounded people who might have been involved with the anthrax murders...They hounded scientists and doctors...some of them died under the pressure..and they were innocent
Can I ever again trust the CIA or the FBI. If I were to meet an FBI or CIA agent could I give them any information? Or do I now think of these people as untrustworthy?
And if there are a number of people who no longer trust these agencies then how do they get information? to stop the real people who are criminals?
The nation has been destroyed by these lies.
Who would join the military knowing you might be sent to war for profit..and possibly come back with a broken body to limited health services...
This is a great tragedy.
Didn't GHWBush run both halves of the CIA at one time? This is really a long dark road that leads to America's doom.
Tenet altered nothing...he was a 'true believer'...in fact it was he who told Bush WMD was a "slam-dunk"
Every intelligence service on the planet (friend AND foe) believed Saddam had them...Saddam went of his way to imply he did.
Pelosi isn't being blackmailed...she is just an incredibly stupid woman that we allowed to be placed in the 3rd highest office in the land...and history will grade her with a big F
but hey...she's trying to save the planet don't you know?
they say you get the government you deserve...but truly I do not deserve this
Snow Wolf..some realized there were no wmd in Iraq ..but its difficult to prove a negative...that something does not exist.
"ElBaradei had disputed the US rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq from the time of the 2002 Iraq disarmament crisis, when he, along with Hans Blix, led a team of UN weapons inspectors in Iraq. ElBaradei told the UN Security Council in March 2003 that documents purporting to show that Iraq had tried to acquire uranium from Niger were not authentic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei
"In June, 1999, Ritter responded to an interviewer, saying: "When you ask the question, 'Does Iraq possess militarily viable biological or chemical weapons?' the answer is no! It is a resounding NO. Can Iraq produce today chemical weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Can Iraq produce biological weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Ballistic missiles? No! It is 'no' across the board. So from a qualitative standpoint, Iraq has been disarmed. Iraq today possesses no meaningful weapons of mass destruction capability."[50]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Who will truat America after all this?
SnowWolf, Maybe you do deserve this if you believe your line about every Intel Service on earth (friend or foe) believed .........! Maybe we could say the heads of many Intel Svcs believed this... We know of dozens of good people in the CIA who never believed it for a minute. The ones who did the work and processed the real info that was available to the Bush/Cheney Cabal.
I wouldn't call it a reactionary denial...if you read Tenets book he lays it out very well...but in hindsight he was wrong...
Saddam is gone...Iraq is a Democracy...the surge worked....the war is all but over...
Those are all facts...The American people are the type that like an all's well that ends well story...
just sayin'...Bush isn't going to be impeached...he'll leave under his own power in January...and likely give the keys to McCain
frederick johnson...the CIA went wrong when they had Stansfield Turner at the helm...he de-emphasized HUMINT and said we could do it all with satellites...Deutsch (under Clinton) F*cked it up even more by telling field agents they couldn't use people with criminal backgrounds...thats like saying we want you to infiltrate this drug cartel...but you can't talk to any dealers or traffickers
The info keeps piling up, tons of corroborating evidence. Bugliosi could write a sequel!
To me the exposure of the Downing St Memo was the big enchilada, specifically the phrase among insiders that, "The case is being FIXED FOR war."
Shakespeare asked "What's in a name." Consider this, the dictionary says of TENET: a principle, belief, or opinion HELD AS TRUE. Boy, does this guy via his name, fit the part destiny set him up for.
SNOW WOLF: I wonder how you'd fare in a lie detector test? Seems you're pretty good at pulling the wool over your own eyes, regardless of what evidence blazes before you.
Snow Wolf
The CIA has no credibility whatsoever NONE..unless you are a right wing ideologue or a nationalist or brain dead.
I think Duley the person who claims that Ivins (the anthrax case) was a homocidal psychopath is a CIA agent. Her father was a diplomat in SE Asia during the Viet Nam war...
And my husband is a scientist... so I am very sensitive on this framing of a scientist and the hounding of scientists by the FBI...and both my husband and I at some point have been interviewed by the FBI...maybe he still has some trust..I have NONE!!!! SHIT !!!! You have destroyed America with your lies.
I think some group in the CIA used anthrax on Americans and now they are covering it up!!!! How high up does this go?
I think you Snow Wolf are connected to the CIA!!! or the FBI...
so what's new. Bush, Cheney and all his fellow jews wanted Iraq out cause he had the missles that could hit Isreal. Next will be Iran and Syria. Bush and the Republican cultist party have a great propaganda machine. What else can you say.
First of all if only Jews had been voting Gore would have won and so would Kerry. American Jews have not as a group supported Bush.
Jews are at the heart of liberal America and I thank God they are there. People like Russ Feingold are good people.
There are right wing Jews who have helped this mess in the White House develop...thats true. Lieberman is either a fool or an ideologue and probably both.
Porter: "Contradicting Tenet's claim that the British did not take the Habbush report seriously, MI6 director Dearlove told Suskind he had asked Prime Minister Tony Blair why he had not acted on the intelligence from Habbush."
And Blair replied...?
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COLLEEN: Thank you! I am so tired of the few in this thread who blame EVERYTHING on "The Jews." Aggressive Israeli policy is NOT supported by everyone who is or was born Jewish! And Israel is NOT what's wagging the dog... it is A factor, not the ONLY factor. A lot of important thinkers in the progressive movement happen to be Jews, nor is Israel's own policies supported by all the Jews who reside there. Many of us strive for a world system that transcends these divisive labels, and hope to substitute HUMANE and just policies for ALL!
Siouxrose
I think some right wing Jews are being played and will be made a scapegoat once again...by people who are probably real fascists.
The invasion of Iraq was for oil. If Iraq did not have oil it would not have been invaded. There were other reasons piled on but the underlying reason was the oil.
Well
All I can say is there is a wonderful little winery on whidbey island that makes a scrumptious Merlot http://www.whidbeyislandwinery.com/releases.htm ...anybody want to bet a bottle that Bush is not impeached?
Tenet has already denounced suskinds book as BS...and Tenet might be political but he wasn't appointed by Bush...he has no reason to take it in the shorts for him
I watched you all get worked up to a lather betting Rove was gonna be "Frog Marched" out of the White House (whatever that means)...and all along it was Armitage over at State with the big mouth...
Bush will leave in January at the end of his term...this book will fade from view...and the Democratic Leadership will give their customary...Curses...Foiled again
colleen August 10th, 2008 5:16 pm
The invasion of Iraq was for oil. If Iraq did not have oil it would not have been invaded. There were other reasons piled on but the underlying reason was the oil.
The invasion of Iraq was because the U.N. was about to lift the sanctions on Saddam and it was just a matter of time till he went back in business...he wasn't stoopid enough to use it on us himself but wouldn't have any qualms about slipping some out the back door to Al Queada or Hezbellah and letting some Suicide Schmuck deliver it
The Democrats are well aware of this...and in total agreement...which is why they rant and rave to give YOU a little red meat but in the end do nothing
SnowWolf
"Saddam is gone…Iraq is a Democracy…the surge worked….the war is all but over…"
Since you are an obvious troll, it's not even worth responding to your obvious nonsense. However, everyone should be aware that the number of violent deaths in Iraq (those reported, that is) is 600 a month. The U.S. doesn't report it's own casualties there at all anymore. And SnowWolf, I understand that that Iraq is encouraging tourism so, next time you want to take a walk through Baghdad, drop a line so I can watch your head get blown off in a satellite picture.
Tenet is an award winning war criminal. I would puke if Bu$h the inferior tried to give me a medal. I usually don't believe in guilt by association but war crimes and mass murderers are a different story.
Purvis
I get a couple of emails a week from my son who's in sector right outside of Sadr City...they are BORED...they want to go to Afghanistan
Iraq is over as a War
~SNOWWOLF ~ Tenet briefed Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld with the then current annual NIE report and informed them that Saddam had NO WMDs and that Saddam had NOT purchased uranium from Africa as Bush had just publically announced he had. Remeber that Predisential newscast?
Bush ordered Tenet to alter the NIE report and Tenet obayed the order. A few days later, Colin Powell read the altered report to Congress and the UN to us on public televison. Powell was not aware the NIE report had been altered.
Then our Senate voted on Prop 114, based upon that altered NIE report and Bush's assurances that he would not attack Iraq, unlees it was a last resort and he would also allow Hans Bliss to continue the inspections ion Iraq and Bliss was given full cooperation from Saddam at that time. Bush go this senate vote, he lied and pulled Bliss out and the rest is bad history. You are wrong with your assumptions ~SnowWolf~.
Snow Wolf-Clinton and both Bush's helped murder a million Iraqis with incredibly evil sanctions. So, yes, Saddam in time might have wanted payback, but "Al Queada or Hezbellah" (sic), c'mon, you're showing your ignorance. Saddam was not stupid enough or interested in working with either of those groups.
Snow Wolf
Because someone is not tried for crimes does not mean innocence. If Bush gets away with his crimes against humanity it will be a dark stain on America and it will come out in the history books. The Bush family will be shamed by what their son has done for generations to come.
If you think pulling the Democrats into this mess makes it any better you are wrong. It only makes the US look worse to anyone viewing this travesty of justice that is ignoring the laws of the US..but you seem to only care about winning and you care apparently not one bit about the morality of what has happened.
Innocent people were picked up by your government and tortured...and you are supporting that. Some of them died.
9/11 changed America all right...and it was the reaction by the American people..the easy unquestioning acceptance of war, the acceptance of human rights violations and the loss of the Constitution...that made America less as a nation. People who support America hope it will turn around and "reinvent itself" We'll see if that will happen or not.
Imo you are a deeply immoral person..and you are so caught up in your desire to win you can not see what you have done..
You are a Republican partisan
And there are plenty of leaders as bad as Saddam. The only way to control this is within the UN and with weapons inspectors..because war will not end this proliferation of weapons. The US no longer has credibility. There is no longer a super power that has good intentions.
Now we are left with nations forming alliances to bring law and justice...and human rights.
KEM PATRICK...I do respect your opinions...you were awesome on the Hiroshima thread...
and I am not a partisan Republican...I am a Libertarian that believes in National Security...Unfortunately the Democrats are a National Security Joke
However I do stand on the assertion that had the sanctions been lifted Saddam would have gone into the WMD business again...The terrorists are no longer funneling foreign fighters into Iraq...they are headed for Afghanistan...I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out historically
Dec. 1988 - Dow Chem. sold $ 1.5 million worth of (highly toxic) pesticide to Iraq.
When Saddam had WMDs it was because corporations, even American ones, sold the precursors to him.
The terrorists are in the mountainous areas in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Thats where we should be..but other nations have tried to fight wars in that area and failed badly.
The ONLY way to win is to change the minds of people.
"the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there's something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise — has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party's de facto slogan has become: "Real men don't think things through."
Paul Krugman
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/opinion/08krugman.html
"Betrayed The CIA?" Betrayed the betrayors?
A. Kem thinks Pelosi is blackmailed.
B. Anybody think Wellstone's plane had help going down?
For Dead certain.
And if B, very likely A.
Same goals accomplished (motive) Ability to do it (means) And Opportunity would have been easy; Pelosi has seven grandchildren. Remember Wellstone.