Impeach.

Impeach and prosecute.

Is *this* the evidence of 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' needed to bring down the organized criminal enterprise known to the world as the Bush Administration?

Is this what is needed to drag Bush and his entire cabal before the War Crimes Tribunal of the International Criminal Court in the Hague? (And yes, I know that the US is not signatory to the ICC... ore's the shame.)

Time to take to the streets people.

The american sheeple will never take to the streets in numbers large enough to make a difference. They have been anesthetized by the television to the point that they have no values anymore beyond their own front door. Just as they will watch people lying in the street, dying, and not lend a hand, so too will they allow criminals to run the country, and throw up their hands declaring there's nothing they can do, it's not their problem, their lives are fine. They have forgotten history, and forgotten how germany fell so far, so fast.

Maybe we should skip impeachment and save time--just move directly to treason and war crime trials. I was sickened yesterday by an NPR interview of Ron Suskind. As with all other mainstream media they were more than anxious to be very skeptical of his findings while acting as mere stenographers and regurgitators for all the lies that BushCo has poured out each day for nearly 8 years now. As soon as you impune the Administration all these journalists suddenly remember what skepticism, cynicism and investigative reporting are all about. But when money and power are doing the talking they quickly return to being stenographers again. Makes me ill.

Name the street. I'll be there.

Like father, like son. George H.W. Bush used CREEP (Committe to RE-Elect the President) money left over from his days as RNC chairman for Nixon to pay the Iranians to keep our diplomats hostage in 1980. This was done to ensure the election of the Reagan/Bush team. High treason, no question about it.

George W. Bush induced the fabricated letter to engage in a war based on false premises. This was done to ensure his re-election, maintain subservience to the Israel lobby, ensure Republican majorities in Congress, grab oil, and other motives (pay bundles of money the Halliburton, whose largest shareholder was/is Dick Cheney). Again, high treason, no question about it.

Pets - How about Wall Street in New York?

"a statutory violation of the charter of CIA"? Sounds bad, but what can you do with executive branch law breaking?

The Democrats can put this on the agenda of your next "not an impeachment hearing" hearing, just as soon as they retroactively legalize it. So many crimes, and only one Dennis Kucinich. Mind you, we don't want to bind the hand of the next president, do we? Not when there are so many countries left to invade.

With this 'revelation', does anyone here still REALISTICALLY think there will be anything CLOSE to a 'democratic' election?

Wanna bet there will be either more 'Diebold' vote fraud shenanigans or another 'terrorist' event that just cancels the elections altogether?

Impeach, prosecute, convict, execute. Then, like Hitler, bury George Wanker Bush under a gas station in the dead of night in some remote and depressing "No Country for Old Men" shithole somewhere in what's left of this nation. Don't tell anybody where the remains are, not even his family. Even this is too good for this lying traitor, this Manchurian Candidate sent here by Corporate America to annihilate the United States.

I agree. Impeach Dubya and abolish the CIA. Reform the UN Security Council (no more permanent vetoes) and cancel all third world timber/mining concessions that originated from the colonization period. That would be a good start.

Multinational corps need to be heavily regulated and the weapons producing countries must be held accountable for the results of their sales.

Example: Is it moral for the US or our allies to sell weapons to both sides in a civil war in DR Congo (Zaire) while our multinational mining corps (or our allies') step up mining of Congo's wealth? This needs to be illegal.

From independence to the present what tiny percentage of the billions of dollars in minerals that have left Congo made it into the hands of the Congolese people? In some cases, zero percent! Some mining concessions date back to Congo Free State and others to Mobutu's thievery.

When all the colonializing powers relinquished political control of the third world they did so under the conditions that they would not relinquish economic control including unjust natural resource treaties and concessions etc.

Speaking of unfair treaties, the Iraqi Oil Laws and the Iraqi Constitution, penned by Bush's stooges, serve as modern examples of what the CIA is capable of doing in broad daylight. Pretty scary stuff.

Those Iraqi Oil laws are worth trillions of dollars to multinational corporations!

Diebold, just last month, recieved exclusive rights to their ATM machines in and around the Olympic Village in China. Payback or down payment??

Mordechai, great idea but no strategy. You don't throw away the man or the corpse - you trade him to the ICC for petrol and food. He should be worth a bunch. The same but to a lesser degree with the heads of both Houses of Congress and their Dim collaborators, the Supreme Court Justices, Colin Powell, and the JCS. For starters. Then you hang the profiteers and confiscate all their wealth, especially the arms merchants, KBR, Hellsaburnin, Bechtel, et al. BUT

Truth is, 70+% don't even know there's a war and the balance couldn't find the place on a map. It's the Empire thing. Ask a Freedman in Rome where the Roman Legions were fighting at any given moment in time, couldn't tell you, the News Readers lie any way. But he could tell you to the dime what he can earn in a day and what the good bread costs. And when Rome fell, those who could, got out, anywhere.

Unfortunately, Krakatoa had an orgasm at about the same time and made the planet so dark and cold that you couldn't grow food worth a damn for what...several hundred years? And the Church of Rome by that point had emptied the 1000 libraries of the Empire of 1500 years of science, history, art, medicine, mathematics, and philosophy because, like now, they hate books. Called them "Pagan". If you say it right it rhymes with Communist.

And of course, now the flow of the Gulf Stream's down by 30%. If it stops, Northern Europe becomes an ice cube once again, nothing will grow there, and people will be able to drive across the Channel, with snow tires.

But, that's the next chapter and you wouldn't want to jump ahead, would you.

For now, grab him, hold him, and begin negotiations for his sale. In the meantime, he should have a direct experience of the "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" that he so widely admires. That's what he's done to us already. We will be kind however, we'll use the same bent shrinks and Mengalas to fuck him that he uses now. GWB after a month in hell should look a site. Worth every penny.

Impeachment's too good for 'em. String 'em up!, following the Nuremburg precedents.

Suskind you idiot, you failed to have Paris Hilton endorse your book and now it's headed to pinhead purgatory.

Bread and circus.

wall street.
labor day weekend?
tomorrow?

A good (and angry) article by Cindy Sheehan at Counterpunch.
www.counterpunch.com/sheehan08062008.html

Just wait for the sound of crickets. The national outrage that should be building to deafening proportions is non-existent. This story was reported on NBC news, although with no sense of outrage to tinge the narrative. I will bet that we've seen the total exposure this revelation is going to receive. One news cycle. As a populace, we are asleep at the wheel. Responsibility? Accountability? Do we care? Hah!

"statutory violation of the charter of CIA"

Ho-hum. Another Bush administration crime. Move along. Nothing exciting to see here.

There are two indispensable books for understanding what has happened to this country in the last few decades. One is Robert Bryce's "Cronies: How Texas Business became American Policy--and Brought Bush to Power" and Kevin Phillips' "American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush." A careful reading of these two books will help anyone who is confused about how and why democracy has been undermined in recent years. The Bushes and their cohorts feel themselves entitled and above the law and constitution, though of course they would never say so. As long as the WASP ascendancy was in control here right through WWII and for a while after that war, the Bushes and their class cohorts could operate with impunity, but after the peoples' revolution here in the 60's and 70's the right wing monied elite, now not only WASP but open to recruits from other backgrounds organized a counter-revolution the end result of which was inevitable--overthrow of the US constitution and preparation for martial law. That is where we are at now, waiting for the other shoe to drop in the form of a "terror attack" or a financial meltdown or both.

Regarding impeachment and criminal charges, we have to avoid a situation that whoever takes office to complete Bush's second term is not someone who could pardon Bush and company.

I think impeach maybe, but hold off on criminal charges until January 21, 2009.

Those last minute pardons can be a bitch.

Suskind's book is another in a long list of works that show the sadofascist Bush regime for what it is. But until We the People throw out the Congressional weaklings who continue with the status quo of legalized bribes from the corporations that really run things, nothing will change. Maybe it's too late to be working through the electoral process. Perhaps it's time, as others in this thread have said, to take to the streets. To paraphrase Jefferson: If the government ceases to work for the people, the people have a right to change it with any means possible.

Based on the above, every soldier in uniform has the legal right (some would say obligation) to lay down his/her arm and refuse to fight further.

The war is illegal so no one has to fight. No one SHOULD fight it.

If you know anyone in uniform, tell them the news.

RichM: "If any leading Democrats were really opposed to Bush or US militarism in any meaningful way, they'd be all over this"

This is a good point. It is, as Sherlock Holmes would say, the dog that didn't bark. I watched a couple of Suskind interviews on youtube. No sign of any Democrat response. Once again, despite evidence to the contrary, in the absence of an opposition party, it is enough for George Tenet to say that he can't recall anything and for the white house press secretary to go after the whistle blowers.

The WAR CRIMINALS' plausable deniability just got less plausable,which is a step forword-THANX Mr. Suskind.

Condi Rice last wknd at our local music fest said (vis a vis Iraq)"what really gets under my skin is when people say GWB wanted WAR,because he didn't."

Add that LIE to the 985 (documented)that the WAR PIGS used for the IRAQI GENOCIDE.

THE NOOSE is a TIGHT-ing!

Keith Olbermann had an interview with Suskind yesterday, where Suskind laid out the case, and Olbermann expressed concern regarding the charges....

But who's going to do anything... Put pressure on your congressperson... I think not. We can grouse and complain until the cows come home, but the wrecking crew has effectively disengaged government from the people....

What a shame, it could have been a nation of dreams come true, but has instead been sold to the highest bidder....

KCT

Maybe we should skip impeachment and save time–just move directly to treason and war crime trials for all three branches.

The harsh reality is that Bush and Cheney could appear on national television and confess all their crimes and NOTHING would happen to them except maybe so negative press reports.

Galen August 6th, 2008 12:42 pm

With this 'revelation', does anyone here still REALISTICALLY think there will be anything CLOSE to a 'democratic' election?

Wanna bet there will be either more 'Diebold' vote fraud shenanigans or another 'terrorist' event that just cancels the elections altogether?

We've gone over this before Galen, I won't bet in Cdn Funds, you'll not accept Zimbabwe Dollars. I must admit it's quite strange to see a totalitarian government like bush's allow such truth to be told. Usually they arrest the malcontents like Suskind. Yet in this case, he's allowed to talk. Most will never hear what he has to say, and those who do will not allow their willful ignorance to be shaken.

I'd say a nuke strike on Iran will lead to a 'victory' for McCain, unless McCain drops dead of a heart attack on the campaign trail and then bush will be 'reelected' with a 75 percent approval rating.

Yesterday I received a request for a donation from the Democratic Party claiming it needs funds to combat McCain with regard to his anticipated selection of a VP like the dangerous Cheney.

I replied in all caps, "WHY INDEED HAVE YOU NOT IMPEACHED CHENEY?"

No reply so far . . . .

Jail to the chief.

Siskind is on National Public Radio Fresh Air radio program tonight.

This just seems to provide more fodder for Bugliosi's argument. Impeachment isn't enough!

good work ron

maybe some of the chickenshit yanks will finally see it is their own psycho prez that's making them piss their pants with fear

The CIA budget is 30 billion/yr.

Govorporation--it has too many tentacles w/ poisonous suckers for us to do anything concrete to offset the corruption.

The surprise is, people seem surprise of this news.
It's common knowledge that every Dept. in the Federal Gov't. has been tainted, or corrupted by this administrattion. It wouldn't surprise me if Bin Laden is in secret protection with all amenities supplied by Bush.

Impeach, no, Arrest as an Enemy Combatant without Habeas Corpus.

Impeach and imprison.

"In the fall of 2003, after the world learned there were no WMD — as Habbush had foretold"

How about, "as Iraq foretold in it's 12,000 page dossier submitted to the UN prior to the war claiming it had no WMD's".

"Hussein was acting so odd because of fear that the Iranians would find out he was a toothless tiger. "
How was he acting odd? This insinuates that he was claiming to have WMD's or at least create ambiguity. Nothing could be further from the truth. He explicitly claimed not to have them. His claims were in the process of being supported by the UN weapons inspectors in Iraq, which had to be removed before their job was finished, so that we could invade.

While the the forces of good and evil are battling out in this presidential campaign for this country's soul, we learn that dirty little secret of the fake letter, and still our representatives in Washington do not move promptly to get to the bottom of this in hearings we can all view. Shame.

Dear Mr. Suskind:

1. What about the possibility that the forgery came from the White House itself -- perhaps Karl Rove, for example? Would that possibility not be consistent with the current CIA denials?

2. Any idea if the former head of Iraqi intelligence was the one who gave Tenet the tip (as reported by "Frontline"), about Saddam's supposed location, that led President Bush to launch the bombing attack that started the war sooner than he had intended? Or did this tip possibly come from another part of the White House, perhaps VP Cheney's office?

Both of the above questions have to do with exactly who was the primary contact with the former head of Iraqi intelligence, the CIA or someone in the White House?

it says something about nations, and particularly the un-united states, when it takes so long for the truth to emerge, longer for there to be enough consensus to act on it and longest by far to finally get around to administering appropriate justice. the slime from the slugs of time have so clogged up our brains, we can for all practical purposes witness hellatious atrocities and be so unmoved that it is as if nothing happened.

shock and outrage fatigue, naturally leading to greater outrages. nothing wrong with the faculties of perception except that they have become compromised by a weak-to-nonexistant will.

What is a suitable punishment for a war criminal?

Many people, myself included, don't believe in capital punishment, even for a war criminal.

Back in 1961, when the Israelis captured Adolph Eichmann, I and a friend of mine -- who also doesn't believe in capital punishment -- were discussing what a suitable punishment should be for Adolph Eichmann.

"He shouldn't be executed," my friend said, "because a.) I don't believe in capital punishment, and b.) If he's executed, he would be a 'martyr' to any number of crazy people in the world."

"What should be his punishment then?" I asked my friend.

"Put him in jail for life -- with a loaded pistol. If and when he realizes what he's done, he'll know what to do."

cavedweller,

re. your previous post in this thread --
This, from the Declaration of Independence:

"But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their *duty,* to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." (Asterisks added.)

When I was in college, Dick Gregory came to our campus and, among other things, quoted the above excerpt from the Declaration of Independence

Dick Gregory:
"What this says is that it is your duty, *your duty* to replace the government. So I want you to go home and copy that part of the Declaration of Independence. Come on, you're all college kids, you know how to copy!"

Interestingly enough, there's a monument in Washington (I think it's at the Jefferson Memorial) that *leaves out* the part in the above quote about it being we, the people's, duty to replace the government. That part is omitted, and in its place is an ellipsis, three dots ...

So, to be good and loyal Americans, let's simply play by the rules set down by the Founding Fathers.

A revolutionary idea, I know. But, hey, I didn't make the rules!

Please read "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" by Vincent Bugliosi.

This is the story of how Osama Bin Laden enabled an evil moron to wreck the most powerful nation on Earth. Who woudda' thunk that a Texas yee-ha-dist moron could pin Uncle Sam to the ground, pick his pockets, and choke him to near death?

Now that the truth is out there is only one sane thing to do; kill the messenger.