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Money Over Morals: Obama's the Candidate of the Hedge-Fund Partners
Among the several unpleasant outgrowths of the Obama-Clinton death duel, perhaps the most disturbing was the widespread perception that the junior senator from New York was more attuned to the cares and hardships of the working class than her chic counterpart from Illinois.
I still don't understand how anyone could have overlooked the damage done to blue-collar America by the former first couple's stalwart commitment to "free trade" -- in the form of NAFTA and permanent "normal" trade relations (PNTR) with cheap-labor China -- but evidently many did, particularly in states like Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania. Every time Hillary told the story of her grandfather toiling in a lace factory in Scranton I wished some comedian would say: "My grandfather sweated and suffered so much in that lace mill that Bill and I vowed that no one in Pennsylvania would ever again have to work in a factory. With NAFTA and PNTR our dream has been realized!"
But Hillary couldn't have gotten away with such hypocritical nonsense without Barack Obama providing her a pass on class, the great unmentionable in a country that pretends that everyone is born equal and anyone can become president. For all his supposed concern about regular folks, Obama's sympathy for the beleaguered people who still do manual labor remains suspect, while his willingness to appease the wealthy elites who preach the benefits of "free markets," low taxes and job-destroying trade bills appears entirely sincere.
Granted, Obama has made a few gestures toward reducing the vast gap between the lower-middle class and the richest 1 percent of Americans, who now possess about 22 percent of the nation's wealth (the top 10 percent control 48.5 percent). In August 2007, for example, he co-sponsored, with Democratic Senators Sherrod Brown, of Ohio, and Dick Durbin, of Illinois, the Patriot Employers Act, which would give a 1 percent tax credit to employers who, among other things, hired more American workers and paid their employees at least $7.80 an hour. Around the same time, pressed by his populist rival John Edwards, Obama also said he would support legislation to treat the income of hedge-fund managers as regular personal income, instead of the current practice of taxing it at the capital-gains rate of 15 percent. Meanwhile, the presumptive Democratic nominee has proposed restoring the top income-tax rate to the Clinton era's 39.6 percent from its current 35 percent.
But these measures are just a few raindrops on a scorched earth of class bias fomented by every president since Ronald Reagan. Obama's campaign autobiography, The Audacity of Hope, is stunningly frank about his affinity with wealthy donors during his Senate campaign in 2004: "Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means -- law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks."
If you think that this passage is merely foolish, you're missing the point. The Audacity of Hope is carefully calculated to present Obama as a non-threat to the big-money interests that pay for campaigns. Even so, Obama tries to have it both ways: "On core issues," he writes, "I was candid; I had no problem telling well-heeled supporters that the tax cuts they'd received from George Bush should be reversed."
But it's easy to be candid when you're talking about proportionately so little money: a 4.6 percentage-point increase in an investment banker's income tax to a hardly confiscatory 39.6 percent (the top marginal rate remained over 90 percent until 1964) won't make much of a dent. As Obama notes, "My own worldview and theirs corresponded in many ways -- I had gone to the same schools, after all, had read the same books, and worried about my kids in many of the same ways." Thus, "I know as a consequence of my fund-raising I became more like the wealthy donors I met, in the very particular sense that I spent more and more of my time above the fray, outside the world of immediate hunger, disappointment, fear, irrationality, and frequent hardship of the other 99 percent of the population."
Flying "above the fray" (as a new senator Obama rode 23 times in corporate planes before halting the practice) is precisely what has let Obama raise so much money from the likes of Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup.
With friends like Robert Rubin (now of Citigroup, late ruler of the Clinton administration's Treasury Department), Obama can afford to condescend to the laid-off Maytag workers of Galesburg, Ill., their jobs moved to dollar-an-hour Mexico. Sad though it may be, he writes, it's "hard to deny Rubin's basic insight: We can try to slow globalization but we can't stop it." Such clichéd thinking is one reason that the Employer Patriot Act is languishing in the Senate Finance Committee; it's why Obama proposes only tinkering with NAFTA, and why he barely addresses China, whose vast pool of low-cost labor is the far greater problem for American workers.
Meanwhile, Obama has stopped talking about making hedge-fund managers pay income tax on their partnership income at the same time as he proposes to increase the capital-gains rate to 25 percent. This is tactically clever, since it sends a friendly signal to the hedge-funders, while suggesting to progressives that he's no pushover for Wall Street. At 25 percent, those "smart" and "interesting" financial touts would still be paying far less tax on their hedge-fund income than if they had to pay the top income-tax rate. So far, Obama has outraised John McCain among employees of hedge funds $822,000 to $348,000 -- this although John McCain wants to leave the capital-gains rate at 15 percent and opposes treating hedge-fund partner income as personal income. But there's a money logic to this seeming incongruity: Hedge-funders specialize in predicting winning investments, and the accommodating Obama looks like a better bet than the more honestly pro-plutocrat McCain.
Obama spends so much time courting the rich that I'm not surprised that James Webb has removed himself from consideration for vice president. Webb is the most articulate Senate critic of America's class divide. "The most important -- and unfortunately the least debated -- issue in politics today is our drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th Century," he wrote two years ago. Webb understands that class stratification is aggravated not only by tax and trade policy but also by public schools that serve increasingly as holding pens for students who can't afford better private or parochial education. Attendance at an elite private school or university, as Obama well knows (and his Ph.D. mother appreciated), is one of the greatest aids to upward mobility in America today, as well as the best guarantee, along with a low inheritance tax, that people of means will maintain their children in the economic status they've become accustomed to.
Webb's bald rhetoric about "robber barons" and "class struggle" might have proven inconvenient for the boy wonder from Chicago when he was at a fundraiser on Park Avenue. But if Obama's candidacy fails, it might be Webb, and not Hillary, who picks up the pieces in 2012. Obama was right when he said that small-town, low-paid Americans are "bitter" about the broken promises of politicians. With "Democrats" like him and the Clintons leading the country, these left-out citizens might finally turn really angry.
John R. MacArthur, a monthly contributor, is publisher of Harper's Magazine and author of the forthcoming book, You Can't Be President: The Outrageous Barriers to Democracy in America.
© 2008 , Published by The Providence Journal Co.

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No! I'm NOT a Democrat, but a left trade unionist. What we're asking is that you actually participate in the struggle. Get something DONE, for christ's sake! I'm just so goddamned sick of "lefties" setting on their moral high-horse, afraid to actually dirty their hands with the real fight, with real folks who are really suffering, with no ties to real people or the real movement, preaching to us out here in reality-land about the "good positions" your guy preaches about (while he is NOT involved in the real fight)!
What we are asking for is; (1) some actual intellegent discussion on the issue, instead of smart-ass comebacks, & (2) that you, PLEASE, get invovled in the real fight!
We don't have "illusions" about the Democratic Party. Our political movement is the labor-led people's movment fighting for change for the people. We need to think strategicly of how we can get changes actually made. We have a series of legislative initiatives that are being backed by the Democrat Platform Committee, and have built a huge movement to fight, and assure that they are followed up on.
PLEASE, for once, not a "clever" little one liner, a quick little "comeback!" We are dealing with really serious issues here. If you are a Nader supporter, show me, PLEASE, how does he actually have any plan to (in reality) pass legislative gains to help our suffering people.
Until then, I must assume that it isn't those of us who are actually involved in the people's struggles who have "illusions!"
And, for me, a lifelong union man, Nader is a SCAB!!
I've not been fooled by Obama. His ties to big money and old politicos from past adminsitrations are serious concerns. But, what's our choice?? McCain??!!?? In this propaganda-enriched political environment, there will never be enough folks convinced to vote for any "third-party" candidates currently running (Nader, Barr, Harold Stassen is dead, I think).
So, many of us will have to hold our noses and vote for Oabama and try to believe that he may do something to turn the tide of this country away from it's slide into fascism.
Even though I think he has many flaws, at least it will be a relief to have someone in the oval office who can speak the language.
What we really need to do is change the way we elect presidents and congresspeople. Only limited public financing should be allowed and we need to ensure the participation of more political parties. There is no way we'll be able to break free from the mess we're in if we don;t make some radical changes to the system. It's up to us, the People, to stand u and do something to make that happen, as the folks in Congress aren't going to vote themsleves off the gravy train.
Per a recent Nader/Gonzalez 2008 email:
"As we move toward November, and as Obama reveals himself to be the corporate candidate that he is, a significant portion of the American electorate will demand an alternative.
That's why it is so important to put Nader/Gonzalez on the ballot in as many states as possible.
And that is the important ground work we are completing now.
Come September, we will be in a position to demand open debates.
And present the American people with a viable candidacy that will shift the power from the corporations back into the hands of the American people."
Nader/Gonzalez 2008
"It doesn't matter who they vote for they'll be voting for us."
We have been lead to believe there is a difference between the 2 parties, when in reality they are both just puppets. Hand picked 'choices' for us to 'choose' from.
If they keep us believing that if we vote for the other one it will make a difference, then they have a few more years to accomplish their goals.
Its a divide and conquer strategy. A united public is harder to manipulate and control.
What is astonishing is that the 'true believers' casting their votes for Obama will be voting against their own values based on the mistaken beliefs about the record of the man. The authentic progressives actually look at the Cat's record, his voting history, and follow the corporate cash, but no amount of factual information will induce his disciples to renounce him. Furthermore, the Green platform and Nader's platform actually carry forward their values like repudiating corporate cash, end the occupation of ALL TROOPS, limiting the influence of special interests like hedge funds, restoring our rights, protecting the environment with authentic sustainable solutions, and on it goes in issue after issue. The irony of holding up Obama as an exemplar (as we are discovering) is misguided foolery. My guess is the sheeple will not wake up until we reach economic collapse or widespread suffering of an order of magnitude not seen in human history. Oh well, you can lead a cow to water, but you cannot make them drink it.
Amitola (1:09 PM):
"So, many of us will have to hold our noses and vote for Oabama and try to believe that he may do something to turn the tide of this country away from it's slide into fascism.
Even though I think he has many flaws, at least it will be a relief to have someone in the oval office who can speak the language."
These two sentences encapsulate very well why I will NOT be one of the "many of us" to hold my nose and vote for Obama, as I did for Kerry in 04. Contrary to Amitola and countless other "progressives," I believe that Obama will do MORE than McCain to promote the country's tidal wave toward fascism...and precisely because he DOES "speak the language"...or rather a language that is more dangerous in the slide toward fascism. The language that he speaks is a rare dialect called Faux-Progressivism, the language that reassures comfortable Americans that their comfort has nothing to do with the country's malaise, that it's ok for them to get "comfortable" as did Obama with the wealthy and powerful and not think about how the behaviors of their buddies in the corporate elite are living off the misery of the "classes." The language puts a smiley face on fascism that tongue-tied linguists like Bush or McCain could not hope to do. As McArthur argues and Amitola agrees, there substantively is no difference between Obama and McCain but linquistically and stylistically there is a world of difference, and it's a difference that dovetails with the plutocracy of celebrity associated with the "friendly" likes of Winfrey, Gates and Soros.
So right, if push came to shove I'd prefer the stolid McCain to the seductive Obama, but of course I'm not willing to limit my electoral choices to these two "evil" alternatives. Any vote for a decent third party alternative (even a dead Harold Stassen if all else fails) would be a blow for that reform in the "way we elect Presidents" that Amitola and I both support. Such a neither- of-the-above vote would start the ball rolling toward a situation in which the fascist-oriented parties would have to pay attention to reforming the "way we elect Presidents" or risk becoming irrelevant to the expectations of the people. If this result were to come out of the 2008 election we might yet see this election as a turning point in the world history of a movement away from fascism. a movement in which "we the people" and not "they the plutocrats" began to recapture control of our country as the people have begun to do in some many other countries around the world. Well, maybe not, but that's MY form of "hope" for this election.
Amitola: "But, what's our choice?? McCain??!!?? In this propaganda-enriched political environment, there will never be enough folks convinced to vote for any "third-party" candidates currently running"
So you are smart enough to see through Obama, but "others" won't be convinced, so you must vote for Obama?
Then you say we must change the way we elect presidents and congresspeople, but you note that they won't vote themselves off the gravytrain. Of course, you, voting for Obama and the Democrats, won't vote them off the gravy train either.
As you seem to be unclear on which third party candidates are living, and which dead, maybe you could take this opportunity to brush up on their platforms. You may find that you are more in tune with the Greens, McKinney and Nader than you think.
My initial hope was that Obama would indeed be the "candidate of change." The more I hear of his positions and his votes the more disappointed I become. Despite worsening conditions for most of society we still have a ways to go before we hit bottom. And I don't think the populace will rise up and demand real change in the form of social equity and justice until that happens. It's a gamble, but electing McCain would hasten our slide into the neo-conservative gutter which could lead to a real "canditate of change" in 2012.
Surprise! Not. Run Ralph. Run!
Centralization of energy is finally coming to be seen as a bad thing by the public. Now people need to realize that centralization of everything else, government in particular, can be just as bad.
Many of us are noticing that the representative system and centralized government turns every political candidate into a money/power grubbing whore. More from the necessity to win than by conviction.
McCain is conservative oligarchy. Obama is a liberal outsider who can only win if the oligarchy allows it. It decides who wins depending on who will profit them in the long run. They might have to throw the people a few crumbs to quiet them down, but the oligarchy's grip on government remains. Obama like the rest of us, is today totally at their mercy.
Unfortunately, all politicians including Obama continue trying to bridge the gap between rich and poor using the oligarchy's preferred method of raising or lowering taxes, when the oligarchy itself writes the tax laws.
There are better ways, like direct democracy by the referendum, or incorporating We the People, but these are seldom if ever discussed in a media that forms public opinion and give legitimacy to an issue. I've mentioned these many times with little or no response.
Senator Gravel's National Initiative for Democracy got almost no response. The oligarch media didn't pick up on it during his candidacy just as they didn't pick up on McCain's calling his wife the "c" word.
I'm still reading "The Audacity of Hope". It's really the only way to know what how the man thinks. So far, I like what he says quite a bit. It's one thing to listen to his interpreters here and everywhere and another to see what the man himself thinks firsthand. His intelligence brings out the idiot in Bush/McCain.
His book gives me the audacity of hope.
BTW, the oligarchy's party is fixing the polls so both candidates will seem to be running a close race. That way, when they steal this election, people will think it's reasonable that McCain won. After all, they were running neck and neck.
Prescription for fixing a broken democracy:
1) Instant runoff elections
2) Campaign and election period limited to 3 months (the Brits do it) to get everyone off
this perpetual ongoing campaign that has become a diversion from putting real issues front center
3) Limit amount of campaign funding per candidate
4) ABOLISH POLITICAL TV ADS! Only allow candidates to speak (in standard medium shots) to explain their platform and policies without making reference to their rivals.
This will eliminate negative advertising!!! It will also take away the MARKETIZATION of
candidates (i.e. images, soft music, flags waving, symbols, etc) and will only broadcast facts. To that end, a rigorous fact-checking entity will screen candidate speeches for
any lies and manipulative tactics.
5) ABOLISH K STREET. Make it illegal for any lobbyist to have access to politicians---including providing ANY perks or indirect gifts (private jets, restaurant dining, etc).
6) TERM LIMITS!!!
7) Close down the REVOLVING DOOR of congressmen/senators working for think tanks and other high-paying (bribing) industries once the congressman retires.
The common denominator between all the above points is MONEY$$$$$!
Pavroviandog: "Campaign and election period limited to 3 months"
It's crazy how long US elections are. A problem with your suggestion here is that with a set election date as in the US, where everyone knows when it will take place, such a plan would be hard to enforce. In Britain, the date is uncertain, that is why parties can't stay in permanent campaign mode. When the US separated from the UK, they should not have thrown out the baby with the bath water.
A top tax rate of 39.6%?!! Are you kidding me? Is that the definition of the wealthy paying their fair share? Don't make me laugh!!
Another Obama exposure- thanks John R. MacArthur. Another nail in the black coffin labeled, "HOPE 2008".
"...the accommodating Obama looks like a better bet than the more honestly pro-plutocrat McCain."
-good point, John McCain in an unapologetic warmongering plutocrat that defends the interests of his supporters.
Obama is a waffling, confused phony. He wants to be at once for the war and against it, for civil rights but capitulates on FISA, both for and against nuclear power and offshore oil drilling. What does the man actually believe?
Honestly, McCain is more honest about his evil intentions. Obama wants to straddle a fence and have one foot on each side of an issue. He has become blind buy his ambition to become president. He will probably lose because he seems dishonest.
Obama says this but then does that. My father (R.I.P.) taught me that the most important thing you have, and something no one can take away from you, is your word. Obama has none and stands for nothing, not even Black folks.
From Forbes:
"Traditionally, investment managers have funded fiscally conservative presidential candidates who promise to keep taxes low and regulation at bay.
McCain would appear to fit that mold better than Obama. McCain wants to keep in place President George W. Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, which are set to expire at the the end of 2010, and he would double a $3,500 deduction for parents.
Obama would let the Bush tax cuts expire for those making more than $250,000 per year. He proposes a $500 per person tax credit and would eliminate taxes for elderly people making less than $50,000 per year.
Some managers in the $2 trillion hedge fund industry say they are concerned that an Obama administration would lead to a tougher regulatory climate, citing Obama's recent call for tighter regulation on oil speculators, including hedge funds.
But his plans for healthcare and education are resonating with many in the industry who say those issues are more crucial to the economy and their own pocketbooks than tax cuts and tighter regulation of their industry."
Progressive Obama supporters, you better step up to the plate and start defending your guy in these blogs! Don't you want to hang on to the progressive votes??? Time to go to bat for Obama if you don't like what you are reading here.
Looks like Senator Obama isn't so much about change afterall; men will say and do almost anything to get what they want. We women, like fools, go along with the slick; just like a one-night stand; get screwed and no dinner.
I am, like a number of other Hillary supporters, just waiting for the deeds of change, not just the words of change. If these Obama reversals continue, I will have to write-in my vote for Hilliary Clinton on election day in November.
Support Obama, support the status quo, believe TV and mainstream media. Whatever you do, don't take off the blinders. As long as we get a democrat in the presidency, all our problems will be solved. Bill Clinton was a great president, Ronald Reagan was a great president.
The Audacity of Hope should be followed up with The Audacity of the 2008 Election. It will be about the audacity of anyone challenging the status quo and thinking that they should vote third party.
I hope nobody who supports Obama actually had the audacity to look at his voting record.
Americans do not vote for a president, they vote against the other candidate and hedge their support to endorse a likely winner. The primaries were indicative that the Democratic Party base does not endorse Clinton policies – if given the choice. Voting against John McClain (yippie-ty-yay, mofo) may be the only choice this time and voting against Rush may be the only choice in 2012, but the only way the Democratic Party can get in front of the ball in the long run is to recognize the demand for a New Deal-type reform of the nation through government taking active control over business and its leaders.
You progressives really want a McCain administration dont you? Keep on talking Green and that is what you will get.
Vote Nader. or else vote McKinney. Or else vote socialist.
Don't come home on election day and tell your children and your grandchildren that you voted for a party and a candidate who has ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN, NO INTENTION, NO INCLINATION WHATSOEVER to stop the madness of "politics as usual."
There are serious problems that need to be solved. And neither party is anywhere *near* solving them.
You're ok with that???
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http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/04/natural-law-party-puts-nader-on-michigan-ballot/
Natural Law Party Puts Nader on Michigan Ballot - August 4th, 2008
On July 30, 2008, the Michigan Natural Law Party nominated Ralph Nader for president, and submitted the needed paperwork. Nader is now listed on the Michigan Secretary of State's webpage as a presidential candidate. The Natural Law Party nationally went out of existence in 2004, but the Michigan party continues to run candidates and polled enough votes to remain on the ballot in both 2004 and 2006. In 2004 the Michigan Natural Law Party had nominated Walt Brown (Socialist Party) for president.
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You progressives really want a McCain administration dont you? Keep on talking Green and that is what you will get.
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Nader wins Peace and Freedom's presidential nod
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 08/02/2008 06:21:39 PM PDT
SACRAMENTO—Ralph Nader has been selected as the Peace and Freedom Party's presidential candidate, beating three other contenders at the party's nominating convention on Saturday.
Nader and his running mate, former San Francisco supervisor Matt Gonzalez, will only appear as Peace and Freedom candidates in California, the only state in which the party is ballot-qualified. The consumer rights activist will appear on other states' ballots as an independent, or as another party's candidate.
Nader, the Green Party presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000, also ran as an independent in 2004.
On Saturday Nader beat out former Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Gloria La Riva, the party's candidate for governor in 1994 and 1998, and Brian Moore, a labor rights organizer and former Peace Corps volunteer.
The Peace and Freedom Party is the smallest political party recognized by the state with 56,364 members, or 0.35 percent of registered voters.
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The states are coming in so fast now I don't know the exact account...
Votenader.org should have it...
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Voting the corporate candidates; the choice is either McCain or McO'Same.
And no, they aren't exactly the same, but the aren't exactly opposite either. They are just taking our country over the cliff at different speeds, and the lemmings will follow.
For many politicians, victory is more important than upholding principles. We are seeing that from Obama, and Hillary, and McCain.
What is the difference between compromise and caving in? Or worse yet, stating publicly that you are opposed to the war but in reality actually supportive.
The fact that the democratic party leadership refuses impeachment and many of the democratic voters don't find that completely unacceptable is interesting. What would be an act or policy that is crossing the line?
I like it when people tell me to get real when I say I support third parties. If it gets any more real, we'll all be dead.
-madlib: "Progressive Obama supporters"?
Are there many of these? Oh wait, here is one…
-Rmouse: "You progressives really want a McCain administration dont you? Keep on talking Green and that is what you will get."
Yeah, shut up, you have no choice. Don't like the abuse? Do what you are told or we will hurt you even more… Does this sound "progressive" to you?
There are lots of decent people running for congress and president in the US, ex: Cindy Sheehan. Help them bring your self-imposed abusive relationship with government to an end.
Sounds like there is a broken record in here.
Another article that should be subtitled---WHY NADER....And, we should let the clowns at CNN and other MSM that we see plainly how they are deliberately ignoring what may already be this election's decisive factor...I am so SICK of media hacks making decisions that belong to the PUBLIC! If Obama/McCain are more or less tied, then NADER's affirmed and growing 6% will make the difference---and Obama has sold his own ass and ours before he gets to the big convention. I am not going to vote for Obama, period.
Meanwhile...
http://prorev.com/2008/08/obama-in-some-serious-trouble.html
This is a GREAT article!!!! John MacArthur really, really exposes "Slick Willy II" Barack Obama for the pro-corporate, pro-elitist top 10% that he truly represents. I, personally, have never been impressed with Barack Obama. I think he's a smooth talking, cliche embellishing bullshit artist. Poor and disenfranchised black people who are heckling him at his campaign rallies, accusing Obama of NOT representing working class blacks are RIGHT. Jesse Jackson was right. Further, if Martin Luther King was alive, he would NOT support Barack Obama. Rather he would see Barack Obama for the "corporate establishment oreo" he truly is. He's so uncomfortably slick, hip, fashionable...and reeking of political opportunism. Like Hillary, he too has become a pre-packaged, public relations automaton. Where's the beef? It was never there to begin with.
I hate to say it to you, fellow Common Dreams posters, but Barack Obama will be a black version of Bill Clinton. Yes McCain is worse than Obama, but the both will pander to the same 'government within the government' elitist scum who have been running this country into the ground since Ronald Reagan.
Want real change? Move to another country in Europe or Canada even, or focus on changing your own immediate life for the better. Don't count on the USA ever becoming a progressive country that champions liberal ideals...at least not in the forseeable future. In fact as you can clearly see from the last 28 years quite the opposite effect has been happening...the USA is less democratic, more fascist, more of a class-based society, with less and less civil liberties. Obama will only further this downward spiral--just like McCain! The 'old America' which honored the Constitution and vaguely, remotely aspired to a classless, egalitarian society, is long gone.
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Nader/Gonzalez are on the BALLOT with 23 states affirmed now and going for 45...
Whoo Whoo... Vote Nader 2008
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http://www.pr.com/article/1100
Ralph Nader Goes to Washington... Again -
By Allison Kugel, Senior Editor - May 14, 2008
Ralph Nader:
We just accept money from individuals, as long as it's legal. We don't take money from PACs (Political Action Committees). We don't take money from commercial interests, which have a quid pro quo, like the oil companies, auto companies and insurance banks. We don't do that. If people want to contribute, no matter who they are, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Republican, Green, whatever… you want to contribute? Welcome. There's no quid pro quo (a Latin term meaning "something for something"). They see where we stand and they see our issues on the table. You want to contribute? We're grateful.
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I am not buying the "logic" of voting for Mr. Chameleon (Obama) just because McCain is worse. Obama is committing the classic bait-and-switch ... he says and does all that he needs to in order to suck you in, and then he reveals the real deal which is nothing like it was originally stated. So we should reward him with the highest political office ? NO WAY.
Btw, I miss Scranton Lace ! It was the most beautiful lace produced in the US. They used old Victorian looms. Total shame they are no longer in business. :-(
Nannie August 5th, 2008 4:47 pm
Are you trying to make a point???
Nannie (or some of the others)---
Please explain to me what on earth positive can come of "voting for Nader?" I know you think you says some nice things, but I've tried for years, without success, to have someone have a decent, thought out, strategic discussion on this issue.
I'm a 35 year steelworker, who had most of my pension stolen by Bush's PBGC, (& then had Bush's court issue a ruling that "steelworkers had no expectation of recieveing pensions." My Senator Sherrod Brown (D-Oh) has fought like hell for us, even sponsoring legislation to reverse the injustice. The GOP has supported Bush, corporations.
That is just a small part of my personal background.
What I'd like to discuss, however, is the issue of voting strategically. In our nation, we do not have proportional representation. It is a 'winner take all' system. Therefore, those folks that voted for Nader in 2000 got nothing but Bush!
I'm strongly supporting Obama. I realize that he is NOT a Labor candidate, or a 'left' candidate. He is, however, the only possible candidate who can break the hold that the GOP has had on the nation. Obama supports a timetable to end the war, universal health care, and the Employee Free Choice Act. He is calling for a "Green New Deal," to put the nation back to work on Green basic industrial jobs, and is for a federal jobs program to rebuild our naion's infrastructure.
McCain/GOP is for staying in Iraq, basically forever. For privatizing social security and medicare. He has really no program for Green energy, and he is totally in support of corporate lawbreakers, would do nothing to address working folks' needs.
In this situation, even with the critisisms I have of the Dems, of Obama, what on earth would 'voting Nader' get me?
All he would do is take votes from the Democratic candidate. Nader would be able to do nothing with whatever votes he gets, he will lose, of course, and the Republicans will stay in power. Further, in organized labor, we see Nader as nothing but a SCAB!! He is doing nothing but breaking the unity we need so badly to be able to beat the Republicans, our main enemy. Further, he was even a union-buster himself, breaking a union drive among his own workers a few years ago.
Please, I'm not trying to bang on you. I would like to hear some actual strategic thinking. Please explain to me---what on earth can Nader possibly offer me??
unionguy, you wrote: "All he would do is take votes from the Democratic candidate."
But if I don't want Obama as my President, I don't care if Nader takes votes away from him.
"Obama's campaign autobiography, The Audacity of Hope, is stunningly frank about his affinity with wealthy donors during his Senate campaign in 2004: "Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means — law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics,..."
"...expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks.""
"Liberal in their politics...Expecting nothing more than a hearing." Barack Obama is talking about building relationships with liberal people that are also powerful. Attack Barack where it really counts, so that when he gets in office, he can't go where he might, ie coal industry support. There is no such thing as clean coal and there never will be. Mining of coal is devastating to human communities and their environments, and the possibility of Co2 sequesteration is pure science fiction at this point. The economy boomed on Clinton's tax hike of only 4% or so. At least it is a step in the right direction, though it could be greater, and I bet will be if the American people will get their asses in gear and demand it--in one huge booming voice--instead of sitting around complaining about the imperfections of the possibilities available.
Danna
Nader locked out banks of phone solicitors he had working for nothing, calling all day and night to work people for money/contributions.
When they tried to organize he fired ALL of them.
By doing zero between presidential runs to organize and build a platform and base, he has done 3rd party's/progressive's potential great harm.
When I watched him PAID, ON FOX NEWS, attacking the Dem's to the exclusion of the Crime Cartel in power, I could see his true colors.
He owns stock in Raytheon=Cluster Bombs, and Dow=Napalm through his Fidelity Magellan Fund.
This is not a real progressive.
This Union Busting, Fox News Clown is wearing a disguise.
Tell me please: Why does he not organize at all between presidential elections? Who benefits from this?
Unionguy go to http://www.nader.org/
put in the search-pensions.
go to votenader.org for the issues they are fighting for.
Tailcap, Nader/Gonzalez need donations and plenty of them...give till it hurts...LOL
A few months ago, I was cautiously optimistic on Obama, but his choice of advisors and his flip-flops on drilling and FISA are a wake-up call. It doesn't matter to me that he may be doing this to "move toward the center." If he's so political that he's willing to sell out his base, the progressives who catapulted him from nowhere to the Democratic nomination, then I could not support him. We need a leader who leads and who tells the truth regardless of the consequences. Even people who disagree with your positions may end up supporting you out of respect for your strength of character and your courage.
I will sign the petition to get Nader-Gonzalez on the ballot in my state, and I will work to get Nader into the presidential debates. However, I will support and vote for Cynthia McKinney. Why?
In 2000, I voted in the Democratic Primary in California. I supported Bill Bradley, which grew out of an interview I heard where he discussed a trip to Montana. After some problem with the plane's navigation system, they flew back to Helena by following the Yellowstone River in the light of a full moon. I don't remember anything else he said, but he was so eloquent, and it seemed to me that this man really did have the country's best interests at heart. This reminds me of the infatuation Obama voters have with their candidate. Anyway, when he conceded to Gore, Bradley quoted Vince Lombardi, "Winning isn't the most important thing...it's the ONLY thing." I profoundly disagree with Bill Bradley.
There IS something more important than winning, and that's preparing the table for the next generation, so that we can win tomorrow. That's what the abolitionist parties were all about in the 1840s and 1850s. Although they never won, they gave birth to the Republican Party (the GOP of legend, which was for small business and liberty; bearing no resemblance to the current party of the same name). Cynthia McKinney and the Greens are doing that right now. We've put together a platform that ties together all the progressive issues into a coherent vision of a future, an America, and a world that we can all be proud of. If the Greens get 5% of the vote on Nov. 4, the party qualifies for federal matching funds in 2012. That's worth a lot more than an Obama victory, given how similar his positions are to McCain, and it explains why I support McKinney-Clemente rather than Nader this time around.
John M. Wages, Jr.
US House Candidate, MS-01
www.VoteJohnWages.com
www.RunCynthiaRun.com
Lisa what lies are you spreading? shame on you . Ralph is a hard working honorable person and I am pleased to work for his campaign.
Slurs and accusations are really all some people provide...
unionguy August 5th, 2008 5:50 pm writes "He is doing nothing but breaking the unity we need so badly to be able to beat the Republicans, our main enemy."
-Unity? You mean the unity between Democrats and Republicans? unionguy what have the Democrats done for you in the last 2 yrs, 4 yrs, 8 yrs?
Unionguy what have Democrats done for you on NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, WTO?
Everything the Republicans have done they were able to do because the Democrats gave them the votes they needed. Screw the Democrats! Democrats refuse to impeach. They refuse to stop the immoral and illegal wars/occupations.
This is what Democrats have done:
1) Refuse to stop funding the war
2) Refuse to impeach Bush
3) Refuse to hold Bush accountable for torturing
4) Allow right-wingers like Mukasey and others to be confirmed
5) Confirmed right-wingers into the Supreme Court
6) Rubber stamp gargantuan military budgets
7) Allow Bush to spew 935 lies about the war
8) Allow Cheny to out CIA agents and defy subpoenas
9) Granted Bush and the Telecoms immunity
10) Insert your favorite Democratic Party capitulation here:_____________________________________.
A vote for Democrats does nothing to stop the Republicans! The Democrats are the best thing that ever happened to the enemy. The Democrats have allowed Bush to take a crap all over the Constitution. It is high time to break with the traitorous Democrats and vote for third parties like the Greens!
Green
Republican
Democrat
Invasion and Occupation of Iraq
Oppose
Support
Support
Patriot Act
Oppose
Support
Support
Invasion of Afghanistan
Oppose
Supported
Supported
Kosovo War
Opposed
Supported
Supported
Military Budget
Reduce
Increase
Increase
Israeli Occupation of West Bank and Gaza.
Oppose
Support
Support
Global Warming - Reduction of Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Support
Oppose
Oppose and Failed to Act.
Right to Choose
Support
Oppose
Support (?)
National Health Insurance
Support single-payer national health insurance
Oppose
Oppose
Clean Water
Support
Oppose
Weak Support
Death Penalty
Oppose
Support
Support
Labor: Wages and Unions
Support
Oppose Workers
Minimal Support
(Global) Corporate Power Trade Agreements and Institutions (NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, WTO)
Restrict
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Vote for Democrats? Are you NUTS!
Nannie August 5th, 2008 6:18 pm I am with you, but I'm going with Cynthia McKinney because she is trying to build up a party unlike Nader. Nader is a good guy but he's not serious about building up a party he just want to raise important issues which I applaud.
lisa said "Tell me please: Why does he not organize at all between presidential elections? "
A former supporter said he found out to his great disappointment that Nader only runs for the matching campaign funds he receives that keeps his organization going. He does not want to win, and if he ever won, he probably would have a heart attack as he knows what happens if you go up against the oilgarchs. Ralph lives well, and wants to continue living well, being President would be very troublesome for him.
McKinney might be the best bet if you vote 3rd party.
to the vote nader crowd can i just point out the fact that if he would have stayed out of the 2000 election gore wins hands down and we're not in iraq. great idea. vote 3rd party. that'll learn 'em. might as well just go ahead and vote for mccain instead. morons.
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http://cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html
Dispelling the Myth of Election 2000
…. The Green Party's explanation of the Florida vote...-interesting
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It is nice to see so many progressives criticize Obama. It is even a relief that many that have chosen to support Obama do so critically instead of adopting the position that their candidate can do no wrong.
I choose not to vote for Obama because I see him as nothing more than a militant thug whose foreign policy isn't much of a departure from that of Bush and has no real interest in tackling problems in the US such as health care reform. If Democrats are interested in receiving more of the progressive vote perhaps they should adopt more progressive policies instead of continuing to shift further to the right then throwing a tantrum when predictably many progressive voters choose to vote for a third party candidate. Democrats can't seem to internalize that they are not entitled to these votes. I don't see McCain and Obama as being worlds apart on issues that are important to me. The Democratic Party had an opportunity to reflect upon their centrist strategy that ultimately alienated so many progressive voters in 2000, but instead they chose to place full responsibility on Ralph Nader for simply providing people with an alternative. In 2004 the Democratic Party sought and succeeded in removing Nader from the ballot in a number of states. I find this anti-choice mentality in the Democratic Party frightening and antithetical to the concepts of Democracy. I can't speak for others but the Democratic Party has a long way to go if they ever want my vote.
People please stop voting for the "least worse" candidate - It makes no sense - There are better choices. Put your support behind Nader/Gonzalez and lets at LEAST get him in the debates so the world can hear an intelligent man tell us what should be obvious to most people. That Obama and McCain are nothing but Corporate Candidates!!