As the Fighting Swells in Afghanistan, So Does a Refugee Camp in Its Capital
KABUL, Afghanistan - On a piece of barren land on the western edge of this capital, a refugee camp is steadily swelling as families displaced by the heavy bombardment in southern Afghanistan arrive in batches.
The growing numbers reaching Kabul are a sign of the deepening of the conflict between NATO and American forces and the Taliban in the south and of the feeling among the population that there will be no end soon. Families who fled the fighting around their homes in Helmand Province one or two years ago and sought temporary shelter around two southern provincial capitals, Lashkar Gah and Kandahar, said they had moved to Kabul because of growing insecurity across the south.
"If there was security in the south, why would we come here?" said Abdullah Khan, 50, who lost his father, uncle and a female relative in the bombing of their home last year. "We will stay here, even for 10 years, until the bombardment ends."
Sixty-one families from just one southern district - Kajaki, in northern Helmand Province - arrived in Kabul in late July. A representative for those families, Khair Muhammad, 27, said that a major jailbreak last month that freed hundreds of Taliban prisoners was the latest sign of the deteriorating security. "Do you know, the Taliban entered Kandahar city and broke into the prison?" he said. "Do you think that is security?"
The United Nations refugee agency has registered 450 families from Helmand Province at the camp - approximately 3,000 people. But that is only a part of the overall refugee picture. An estimated 10,000 to 15,000 people have been displaced by the insurgency in the south, but the numbers fluctuate as some have been able to return home when the fighting moves elsewhere.
The International Committee of the Red Cross has warned that the displaced who have reached the cities represent only the tip of the iceberg, and many others are trapped by violence in remote areas without assistance.
Many of the families who have arrived in Kabul have suffered traumatic losses and injuries, and they say that they are pessimistic about the future.
"The Taliban are getting stronger," said Muhammad Younus, a farm worker who abandoned his village after his father, brother and uncle were killed in an airstrike two years ago. "There were armored vehicles on the hill and they were firing. There was a heavy bombardment, and planes bombed, too," he said. "They did not differentiate between the guilty and not guilty."
He, like many of the displaced people, complained that villagers found themselves trapped between Taliban fighters, who used the villages for cover to attack foreign forces, and NATO and American forces, which would often call in airstrikes on village compounds where civilians were living.
"We left our houses because we had no power to resist the Taliban or the government," said Mr. Muhammad, the representative who brought families to Kabul from villages in Kajaki.
"Anytime the Taliban fired a shot from our houses, then the coalition, the government and the police came to the area and hit us."
"The government comes and arrests us, and then the Taliban come and arrest us as well," he said. "We are under the feet of two powers."
As a civilian plane circled above the city, Mr. Muhammad and the crowd of men around him all looked nervously upward. "We are in trouble with these things," he said, pointing at the plane. "There was fighting in the village a hundred times, roadside bombs, bombardment, firing and shooting."
His strongest complaints were against the Taliban who, he said, had accused a relative of being a spy for the coalition forces and executed him. "I absolutely know he was not," he said vehemently.
"The Taliban are coming during the night, with heavy weapons, riding on vehicles, and we cannot even dare ask them to leave, because if they see someone at night outside they will slaughter them and accuse them of being spies," he said.
But the heavy reprisals by NATO and American forces was what drove them from their homes in the end, he and others said.
Khan Muhammad, 35, came with 40 people from his extended family three months ago after their village, Tajoi, near Kajaki, was bombed and his 4-year-old son, Umar Khan, was killed. "His mother was cooking, and he was lying beside her," he said. "The whole village was destroyed, and after that we left."
He said the villagers did not even see the Taliban but heard them fire as foreign troops were driving along the road outside the village.
"We don't know from which side they fired, but we heard that," he said. "Half an hour or an hour later they bombed."
His father, Sher Ali Aqa, 75, was trapped under the rubble and his leg was shattered. Still unable to walk, he sat on a mat beside a makeshift tent.
"I blame the foreigners," Mr. Muhammad said. "If the Taliban fire from over there, do you come and bomb this village?"
He added, "We only want a stable country, whether with the Taliban or the foreigners." But he said that the level of violence made him realize that the foreign forces could not bring security.
That sentiment was echoed by many of the villagers, who said that the civilian deaths were particularly galling given the sophisticated technology of the coalition's warplanes.
"If they kill, if they wound innocent people, we don't want them," said Tauz Khan, a man from the Sangin district who said he lost five members of his family in bombings last year. "If they build and bring peace we will accept them."
His father, brother and a daughter were among those killed. "You cannot take revenge against a plane," he said. "But I will not forgive the foreigners for this crime."
Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company
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Show All"riddimboy August 4th, 2008 11:26 pm
Mike Corbeil — "Tell Obama; he is not fooling me."
I just did. He asked you to just go away. Dude … seriously …"
Obama asked me to go away. Tell him I already know here he's going and Hell is no invititation party to me; evidently for him though!
Who the hell are you to tell me that Obama says whatever he could imaginatively say in my regard! After all, I'd love to talk with the SCHMUCK and definitely don't need any jack-ass middleman like yourself, riddimboy.
Interesting username you chose, for ridding you is a GOOD idea. How about doing the world a big favour and ridding it of your presence?!
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Mike Corbeil -- "Tell Obama; he is not fooling me."
I just did. He asked you to just go away. Dude ... seriously ...
If they have ideas, prison and torture tears.
kill them, poison with depleted Uranium.
If they are not weak enough, apply the sanctions longer.
Shoot them, blast them, cluster bombs and daisey cutter.
If they are happy, destroy their way of life.
If they are married, rape and kill the wife.
If they seek children, blight and sterilize their seed.
Bring forth mutated monsters, land and people fail to breed.
States of imperialism, the capitals of seductive lust
Grinds for money the world into extinction dust
Abandon souls for cash and slaves, power to white
and all else to destroy, just out of spite.
The imperial grinders are the most evil of all,
To end the world of the Gaian goddess, her life to quickly fall,
After natures eons of striving, thankless man so vain,
Destroys her works in a century of hellish death, decay and pain.
Nations and people that seek advancement by the destruction of others destroy everything.
Some typographical errors in my above post? Yes. Definitely. There are a few and I hope to be able to just say that I won't specifically address or correct them now; just know that, yes, there are some things poorly said, and some needing greater correction. In the end, I'm not favourable towards govt or any govt-pro. line of view; definitely not.
Before posting, I should write in a separate tool, carefully revised, and then copy and paste, but I always tend to write directly in CD edit boxes and "screw up" wording. Nonetheless, the above still says much enough of what I'd have to say; just that some re-wording would apply.
Here are some pictures from Afghanistan that you will definitely not see in the corporate media:-
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=DAU20060509&articleId=2412
Ha ha, how's that latter post for ... "anology"? I used the topic of this page and made literally irrlevant references, going off into Bible Study land. It's relevant, in terms of human society, overall anyway; but quite a "stretch" on my part.
The relevance is found in human [society], how it's very screwed up; well, somewhat how, an example of how, anyway.
And yes, I did see what I saw five days prior to 9-11. It's perhaps not the sole reason I've [always] been against the war on the Taliban, for I was also and wholly against the war on President Slobodan Milosevic, Yugoslavia and Serbia in 1999, and without any need for other than my own instincts, intuition and principles. BUT what I saw five days prior to 9-11 would definitely make my opposition FIRM. Couldn't be firmer and nothing since has made it firmer; IT WAS [FIRM], stays firm, always will be firm. I needed no more "explanations" to have a permanently firm view [against] this damn hellbent war of RACKET order.
The carpet-bombing of the country, I knew this before it actually started. But, we already knew that this is the way the U.S. wars, anyway. Yet, what I saw 5 days prior to 9-11 firmly reconfirmed.
What do I have since? [CONFIRMATION]; nothing less.
Can I show you, graphically, what I saw? Sure, but I need a software app. to be able to draw this; topmost ideal, 4-Dimensional, but it's also do-able in 2-D, a series of stills. I can do it either way; 2-D, 3-D or 4-D, but would you then become a believer? I don't know and doubt that you would. However, I know what I saw and that it took months before I "wound down"; what I saw (and I'm very, very good at observation) "tied me up" for [months]. I knew damn hellbent SHIT, extreme was on the way, and only saw what this is after being out on a morning in Nature, to observe, appreciate, and have a few brews, while talking to God about all of the problems in this world. I got an awful wake-up call; as bad as the realities are that I was talking to God about, I got an awful wake-up call. This was not good and I was not happy about what I was; I was ... shocked, absorbed, ... I was in no mood for what I saw. But I saw what I saw and it was [true], and truth is imporant to me; very, very imporant.
I just did NOT like what I saw, for it was all BAD "NEWS". This had me [absorbed] for [months]. I kept reanalysing, questioning, did I really see this, did it really mean what it seemed to mean? Always as per my initial understandings, YES! So good, now I'm [absorbed] with Yes! about things I really wish wouldn't be, but are. Oh, yucky damn poo. Prove me wrong once in a while, why don't ya's! I don't like being right in judgement in bad circustances. Damn!
Well, everyone screwed up and I saw what I saw. YUCK! When will you people GROW UP and stop causing these problems!
I appreciate that, but also don't. I appreciate, because I prefer forewarning; but I don't like bad news or warnings of real events; like can I get some sleep, how about a decent joint of some good herb, ...? No, eh; you always have to slam with with hell's gates, very heavy doors. Well, seems I was inherently looking for truthful information and got it, as unpleasant as it is; but, couldn't it be presented in more gentle terms? No, I guess not; this world is far from gentle!
Ya know what? If you're going to have a true [father], then you want him to be [truthful] with you, not keeping you dumb; but informing you about all matters of import. GW Bush claimed God told him to attack Iraq and God NEVER did, but maybe Bush did talk with some unidentifiable voice; maybe. If he did, then it definitely was NOT God. I [know] what God's view on these wars is, God is NOT hypocrite, self-contradictory, etcetera, and He definitely did NOT talk to [insane] Bush. God does NOT talk to INSANE people and Bush, besides the rest of his whole family, including so-called daughters and wife (who loves other men, esp., when they're naked), Cheney (who's wife also loves other men when ... naked), and so on; WELL, GOD DOES NOT talk to such people! You have to think awfully, hellishly lowly of God to think that He'd talk to such "people", creatures anyway.
Another voice might have spoken to Bush though. I don't know what truth there is in this, to any degree, but have read about Tony Blair and his whore wife, and GW Bush and his whore wife, whatever the wives' names are, dealing, conversing, ... with some so-called being of light, a being that or who, and I think, [pretends] to be of peace, etcetera, but unidentifiable, which of course means NEITHER Jesus, nor God, nor the Holy Spirit, but some other un-temporal sort of being or entity.
Do the Bushes and Blairs really think that they had these weird encounters, and if they do, then did they really? If both questions work out ... yuck to be 'yes', then I want to meet this s.o.b. other entity. Me and him or it have a little "problem" to resolve here and I'm weary of the s.o.b.'s presence and influence here. Okay, you warn me to be careful, that creature might slice me in half before I can blink an eye. Okay, I'll take that chance. I'm damn annoyed by the s.o.b.'s presence and influence and that's all that matters to me. I want to grab that s.o.b. and treat him to some real showmanship. Given he's not temporal, I should be able to pound that s.o.b for as long as I like; after all, I won't need temporal physical force, just [anger]. I'll beat that s.o.b. to pulp, pulp, pulp, .... "Bring it on!".
So who the hell was GW Bush schmuck talking too, given it definitely was NOT God?! My first clench, I'm ready! Being that f*cking s.o.b. on! I'll pound that mo'fer to [hell]!. Bring it on boys! I'll cut you off at the "balls", i.e., hell! Bring it on. It's already here, just that you keep trying to deny it; but your denials do NOT fool me. Bring it fully on schmucks!
I wonder if Archangel Mike will let me borrow his sword, or if not, then if he'll come lend us a hand. We'll need something for help here when hell is not unleashed, for that already is, but openly unleashed here. We'll need some help and Mike, if he really has a sword, instead of only his firm religious faith and relationship constituting the only sword he ever needs (a great sword indeed), well, we mere humans will still need some help. I'd like to talk with Mike about his sword; is it a matter of real but non-temporal sword, or his faith, sane allegiance, etcetera? What is his sword? I have none and demons get on my nerves.
No, not ghosts, but demons, and man do they get on my nerves; although ghosts also often do, they are not always bothersome. Some are curious, interesting, and apparently many tourists have seen "monk ghosts" (ha ha). Well, yeah, ha ha, but the story apparently is true. I saw a dodo monk ghost in my living room, the thing, whatever, writing away at the PC (yes, computer), seated in my brother's chair, and yeah, right, sure! Well, it did happen and mr ghostie seemed to vanish just when I was going to get up and start asking him or her (?) about identity, okay, "who are you, what do you think you're doing (although I thought there was a connection with my gripe against PM schmuck-face Charest chatholic of Quebec, Canada - bit ticked I was), and this sort of questioning. Well, mr ghostie didn't want to deal with me and ... [evaporated]; yes, vanished in that sort of way. Ordering scairdy-cat to get back here and answer my questions, he refused; coward. "Get your ass back here and answer my quetions!" Nope, no answer; scairdy-cat.
I know a woman, fully sane, her three brothers were literally thrown out of a barn before the place finally and gladly burnt down. Thrown out by whom though. NOT a real person. Try ghost! Seems it would've been the ghost of the ass who owned the pig farming place before he died, and he evidently decided to be more pig than human. Joking in the latter, sort of anyway, for pig he evidently was, and this woman was NOT joking when she told me this. (I added the joking aspect, just to try to make the story seem a little funny).
How did I come across that story. I entered the small store she owned and operated with her husband, where I'd regularly go for a coffee and talk with them; but, one day, there was a young lady in there and very disturbed, and I don't like seeing young ladies very disturbed, so inquired what the f*ck was wrong. The young lady had already explained the the woman owner what had happened, so both then explained, and it's that some vicious untemporal entity had "played" some tricks, "games" where the young lady (YL) lived with her parents. She said this odd entity played confusing and odd games with the radio or stereo radio, that it acted wildly, and that she looked for the keys to the house, which [normally] were left on the dresser or whatever the furniture is called in the parents' bedroom, but the keys oddly weren't there, but a bright white flash happened in the living room window and she found the keys on the sill, there; VERY ODDLY. The YL was PANICKED. I knew there was something very wrong upon entering the store and seeing her talk with the woman owner; there was definitely panick, fear, ... And I always inquire when I see this.
I won't stand by damn f*cking ignorant when I see fellow human beings in panick. I want to know what I need to know and to do whatever I can to try to help. Can't determine the latter before determining what the problem is, first! I like fire squads, first rescue, etc., for they're people who live to HELP others in need. First, though, you have to know what each situation is.
So I questioned both the victim and the store owner and all I could get was [affirmation]. They were SERIOUS; NO joke, but serious. I know that the non-temporal exists; NO ONE can prove or disprove this for me. I KNOW for FACT, but it's not something that can be demonstrated, etcetera; you have to be witness, or else you're likely to never witness. I have a large cooking pot in my parents' kitcken and I can take this pot out and show it to you any time you come and ask, until my parents throw out the pot anyway; BUT I CANNOT demonstrate proof of things of non-temporal order or nature. NO ONE can!
Unfortunately, some people exploit the non-temporal for making movies, etc., but ya know what? I've viewed a number of "Forces Obscures" stories and while some of these are, apparently, unbelievable, altogether, some seem to be ... more believable, more borderline, closer, though not fully believable. NOPE, definitely not fully. Those are the drama, whatever, shows, for Forces Obscures also has documentaries and these are better. For those, FO applies some [real] analysis and they do seem to have a good, well-balanced overall analyst. He's not God and doesn't pretend to be, but presents what is to the best of his ability to understand, and he's good. But he is not with respect to the shows on demons and hunting them down; he's interviwed with respect to demon, evil stuff, but not the demon-based shows on ZTele.
It's through FO that I finally learned that zombie stuff is about real events, but based on NOT bring truly dead people back to life; it's bringing drugged people out of their drugged status and to be slaves. In this world, this definitely makes a lot of sense and apparently is what's behind the whole story of zombie-ism in Haiti, etc. I was a little surprised, but wasn't really. It's awfully European way in the West.
Remember the idiot in the shopping mall in Europe, maybe Sweden, and who there assassinated the highly praised, respected, ... Swedish female minister or MP just a few years ago. The guy supposedly knew little or nothing about her and was at the shopping mall for other reasons, but a voice ordered him to kill her and he did. Well, firstly, he had a gun, a loaded one, so this adds to his curious denial of wanting to kill [her]. But he claimed a voice or some voices told him to kill her and that he had had no such intention to begin with, but did as the voices directed.
Ya know what such people normally and immediately are considered? PSYCHOPATHS, sociopaths, psychotic, delusional, etcetera, and removed from society.
Not Bush. Excuse me, but NOT Bush; not him, Cheney, Zbigniew Brzezinski (Obama's top foreign pol. adviser), etcetera. Why NOT! After all, it's not like I'm holding the process back with these psychopaths, sociopaths (same as former, just less violent), psychotics, delusionals, etcetera, and removed from society (they should and need to be).
You can tell ZB a little message from me, 'F*CK YOU!', if you wish to help pass this on to the [SCHMUCK]. I'll sign, if he gets the message. This of course pertains to Obama, who's chosen to have ZB as top foreign pol. goon. Obama thinks he can get away with his new-fashioned mafia, but I'm already tired of the old, and new is to be stopped dead-on surfacing. He's surfaced it, now we have to STOP IT dead in its damn tracks.
Tell Obama; he is not fooling me. I SEE his GANGSTER ways. He thinks he's "smooth"; a lot of people recognise this and say he's "smooth"; and I can see why, but he's NOT "smooth" with me. Au contraire, he haves my alarms sounding. Gangster, Obama? Look [carefully].
He did NOT [betray] the grand Rev. Jeremiah Wright for no reason; Obama did this [because] he [is] gangster blood, kind, and I'm already fed up with schmuck Hells Angels of Sherbrooke, Quebec, where a*hole Mom Boucher made trouble for the HA [internationally], to the point that all other intl HA's wanted him the f*ck OUT, the damn violent and news-making publicity jerk was. He was hell to the whole HA, on the intl scale, but also within Canada and Quebec; he was a wild loose cannon without control, acting as he wanted without any consideration of other chapters. The guy was tough, maybe, but definitely an ASS, and damn trouble for intl HA.
See, Obama is gangsterism, even if he doesn't realise this yet, or does, but not fully. Colin Powell and Condo. Rice-a-rony [are] GANGSTERS, regardless of their denials. These [are] all gangsters, pirates, etcetera; they just pretend to not be these things, but only NAIVE people believe such pretences.
Powell and Rice-a-... are [obvious], but I'm not sure where Obama is in this curve or progression. Maybe he's fully aware, and he should be, given he supposedly graduated in LAW (some people claim, uncredibly); however, maybe Obama is not really aware, is just an idiot text-book student of law. It's easy to pass university and college exams based on mere textbook contents; putting it all into [ethical] practice is another matter, one Obama evidently is a total failure at.
Obama, legally speaking, is a [total] failure, and I don't need to take the stupid school courses that he took in order to arrive at this commonsense realisation. After all, it's commonsense realisation and commonsense can't allow for unjust laws or ways! Try to tell this to idiots who only have paper degrees from paper universitities and colleges! Good luck.
I was far more advanced than idiots studying law; I was in advanced pure and applied mathematics. You cannot get more precise in analysis! And "man" do I regret having left that for dumb computer science; I always regretetted, once graduating and entering the job market; wishing I had stuck with my course and just did a minor in computer science (some useful courses). No, I went and blunderously switched my whole major! Damn.
Damn, damn, damn. But I got enough advanced maths to be able to realise that YES, if you have this and are truly [humane], societally oriented, ..., then "man", you could do plenty of good.
It's not the way most math grads are though, for they mostly work for their employers and they are hellbent GREEDY, etcetera. Thing is, ya need "worms" like me getting in there and acting to [expose] all of the hellbent bs going on. Worm, useful for fishing [bait]; bait and hook. I'll be glad to be a worm or nightcrawler.
Gotta watch for birds, but you can take care of that part of the affair. Let the crawlers do their work. We need to get inside and turn it upside for open viewing.
Clarification: About, I said:
"That's pretty much all we have here for so-called "justice" system; .... We have some [good], excellent prosecutional lawyers here in Sherbrooke, Quebec, although I wonder why they aren't prosecuting a*hole PM Jean Charest, that church-shit s.o.b., but otherwise good."
The 'otherwise good' ending is not with respect to schmuck Charest, but the good prosecution lawyers. We definitely have an excellent prosecutor (woman) in Sherbrooke, and maybe also others, but I've read about a number of cases she's prosecuted and ... damn, she is GOOD, sharp, comprehensive, .... She's a young woman you really want to go up to and THANK! "Damn", excellent, sharp, thorough, .... Wow!
As for PM Charest? Nothing good could ever be truly said of this SCHMUCK! He's another church S.O.B. and it's great that the RCC has declined to around 5% participation in Quebec, the sooner that this becomes 0%, the BETTER; this hellbent bitch from not Nazareth but ROME. The church from Nazareth, GOOD! The church from schmuck Peter (fool) and Paul (infiltrator) Rome, HELL!
It's not for no reason the the first apostles who sided against Peter and for Paul did this. They were stupid and allowed infiltrator Paul to fool them. It's not for no reason that MOST first Christians were against this, for they knew very well who damn Paul was, massacist against the early Christians, but some of the first apostles were DUMB animal enough to go with Paul and [against] Peter, who also was initially against Paul, but the dumb apostles with Paul taught Peter a "lesson", that he'd better accept, "or else ..." MORE brutality against him.
Peter caved in, but left a clue, we might understand, when he said that Rome was the new WHORE of Babylon.
He was right about that, but how, exactly, did he mean it? Did he mean those words to be understood as him always standing opposed to establishing the HQ of the church in Rome, under this whore's jupon, or did he mean something else? He didn't explain, but history is that he opposed Paul and only folded, in appearance anyway, after other FOOL apostles adopted Paul and basically made him king of apostles; a jack-ass massacist who had never known Jesus to begin with.
I don't always agree with the Gnostic Christians' ideas and claims, but some things they say actually are present in the RCC's version of the Bible, only not explained; and the explanations sometimes are very realistically sound, while the RCC, since Constantine, has always been about hellbent imperialism, etcetera. It's not for no reason that Francis of Assasi had a very special message to deliver to the papacy regardless of danger to himself; that the church needed to get back to the origin, of which there's only ONE, founder Jesus.
Paul evidently was infiltrator, as is common [today]. NO ONE was witness to how he got out of prison and people were supposed to believe his claims without question?! Sure, I witnessed a very special event 5 days prior to 9-11 and this did not indicate anything about 9-11 itself, but everything that followed? YES, definitely. But NO ONE else witnessed this and I'm not Paul; I don't pretend that my claims are unquestionably true. Sure, I know what I saw and have no reason to deny it, but also know that there is absolutely no way for me to provide proof. Paul spoke as if he's to be taken as God.
Paul's infiltrator and no wonder he had many problems dealing with demons acting like thorns in his sides during his so-called apostleship.
Francis of Assisi, Cure d'Ars, ... never had those problems and render Paul [insignificant]. Francis, Cure d'Ars, ... all of these true Christians, when dealing with demons, they did not need any crucifixes, "holy" water, etc., only needing and applying their [faith]; iow, true to the teachings of Jesus, who never said any kind of instruments or substances were needed, but only [faith] and applied in his name.
NOT Paul. He often was [contrary] to the teachings and ways of Jesus and literally so; including in texts used by the RCC, which chooses to quickly pass over this. It's not for no reason that the church is very against [Bible Study].
Paul was a schmuck and one elementary proof is his condemnation of men bearing long hear and women short hear, while Jesus said to NEVER judge based on appearances, and I understand women wanting short hear in a hot climate, or for quicker cleaning, but long hair (and beard) is very convenient in cold climate! I know both and for FACT and through experience; but keep bearding and long hair because it just takes too long to grow (for me). I have a slow-growth limitation, so just leave the beard and long hair, while disliking long hear when it comes to cleaning (not much more trouble, but does take more effort to clean). Scarves for cold, deep cold winter days, I rarely ever use anymore; and hats, really needing none, except to keep hair from blowing into my face.
Paul declared that this is an abomination. F*CK Paul; tell him to go back to his full merenary ways where he always belonged and remained loyal to.
I think the Gnostics are right about him having really been [infiltrator], an awfully common "theme" today.
PERVERT politicians, judges, HA, want to aim for more PERVERTS?!
Yes, even the HA here are PERVERTS!
sl63 August 3rd, 2008 2:08 pm,
There is NO WAY on Earth to Justify putting more foreign troops there; to PULL all those already there OUT, YES!, to send more?, NO F*CKING WAY!
This war is entirely for NATURAL RESOURCES, just like every other war the U.S. commits; always a-la 'WAR IS A RACKET'! It's what ALL of U.S. history is really about, and we might, maybe, have a little exception with WWII, but that's not certain, for it seems that the U.S. president at the time knew of the Pearl Harbour attack before it actually happened and allowed it to happen in order to use this to get the U.S. public to fully support the U.S. entering WWII, [including] with the drops of two atomic, nuclear bombs.
Bush [clearly] stated prior to Oct 7 2001 that the Taliban had had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks by ? and in the USA on Sep. 11, 2001, 9-11. SO, there is absolutely NO WAY to justify war against them. He whined that they refused to hand Osama Bin Ladin over, but we have some problems with this claim:
a) The Taliban initially refused, but only based on the demand that if they handed OBL over, then he'd be guaranteed a just trial process; and,
b) They then offered to hand OBL over to Pakistan, so-called ally of US in the GWoT, and LONG-term CIA, ... ally of the US govt and its real ruling elites; but Pakistan REFUSED to take OBL.
The Cheney-Bush cabal definitely KNEW of this refusal but chose to NOT make it public and "news" media complied with the orders received.
Prior to 9-11, about five days prior, I saw, witnessed, and very, very, "surgically" observed a very, very special phen. Most people speak of "war clouds" in figurative terms; I DO NOT. What I saw had, in literal terms, nothing to do with 9-11; but everything to do with what followed.
Why? Because 9-11 [is] INSIDE JOB. Don't believe that, eh? Too bad for you! If you are fool enough to believe that 9-11 was not inside job, for it really had to be inside, then I will definitely try to NOT mimic your foolishness.
"Watch your back Jack!", something a Canadian Army reserves major told me in 1992 when I worked on Canadian infantry, battery defence systems as a computer pro. and this caused me to laugh, though not openly. I just laughed in my own mind, for what he said was a "duh?" matter to me, but he and I had very different prior lives (mine taught me a lot, vs he was school bencher). I learned the concept at age 4, yes, [FOUR]; didn't need to wait until my 30's! 4, 5, 6, 7, ... I LEARNED and by 12, I understood MORE than most adults and elderly people have ever encountered and learned. At age 12, I was more [mature] than most elderly [Westerners] are, but I come from "privileged" poverty and ethnic (being Franco in Anglo-saxon society) origin, which means, 'Beware, if trying to move to Toronto, Canada, for the Anglo-saxons and Jews dominate there, and we Francos, or non-anglo-saxons, best beware). The discrimination may seem subtle, but I notice it easily. In Ottawa, there maybe some, but still little such discrimination. In Vancouver, I've never been there, but doubt that it's comparable to Toronto. Montreal? Well, beware, for when encountering discrimination there, as well as in Quebec City, then it's in the reverse sense. And I'm f*cked in ALL cases, because while my name is French and I can fluidly converse in Fr., all of my schooling is in English.
Oh, yucky, damn; and all I want is a job, just a job, income. But NO, you're denied, and after being hellbent denied, then you're additionally treated as a bum, someone who doesn't want to make a real effort to get a job. Oh, F*CK!
The "West" calls this being [civilised]. Duh. Prehistoric people were more [civilised]!
I have NO fear of the Taliban; I'd only like to talk with them about letting up on women's rights. They are already great in terms of guaranteeing physical security for women, for YOU NEVER, ever, want to harm women in Taliban society; it's just that the Taliban unjustly rule in terms of educational and job rights because of some historical jack-ass who was paranoid and established law against women being respected educationally, etc., because of his infantile paranoia. That's all, and I AM SURE that [I] could get the Taliban to realise this.
More [civilised] than we really are though, but I not a copy of this hellbent West and can see that the Taliban is actually more civilised! I just need to talk with them about their women, but also and greatly appreciate that the Taliban [guarantee] protection for women. There's just a little confusion that needs a little, mild remedy there.
In the West? OH, F*CK! The West is so full of criminal govt against the indigenous peoples here (and across Earth), hypocritical, etc., I do not have a clue how this could be corrected. We need real war here, but don't and likely won't have it.
Taliban only need to lighten up with respect to allowing women to get education and jobs. Taliban have nothing to fear; these are the women who give LIFE to the Taliban and I'm sure the Taliban can understand this.
Send little streets guy Mikey in there, I will [talk] with the Taliban. Might not return thereafter, might decide I HATE the hellbent West enough to not return, and that will be okay too. I won't complain; I'll be making the decision! Hell, I did not ask to be born in this PERVERT f*cking continent. Someone chose to birth me here and I had no damn choice about it; and I am not happy about it, either! Damn f*cking bunch of PERVERTS!
That's pretty much all we have here for so-called "justice" system; a bunch of f*cking PERVERTS, a*holes, etcetera. We have some [good], excellent prosecutional lawyers here in Sherbrooke, Quebec, although I wonder why they aren't prosecuting a*hole PM Jean Charest, that church-shit s.o.b., but otherwise good. Conversely, and as I've noticed about Ca over the past ... over two decades, judges are hellbent PERVERTS, regularly siding against law and sanity; regularly, if not always. And these [PERVERTS] lustfully enforce compensation raises, pay raises, but F*CK THE WHOLE COUNTRY and WE, 'The People', have NO say in this AT ALL!
Hells Angels in Canada are of NO societal good. If they were, then these PERVERT f*cking judges would be past history, but the HA love, lust for perverts.
WE'RE IN BIG TROUBLE.
Betcha some smarty-pants Blackwater type figures out how to trade tents, MRE's and potable water for herion. Doncha just love laize-faire capitalism!
The bombings are being undertaken precisely because there are not enough troops on the ground. It is a shortcut to contain the conflict pending the arrival of more troops. I find no respect for life in these bombings. I see a failure of policy in these actions. I strongly disapprove.
tetti_tatti August 3rd, 2008 4:14 pm
A vote for McCain is a vote for Obama, oh sorry I meant the other way around. Obama wants to be the first African American war criminal. Damn you Dem Party Apologists and Lesser Evilists.
That pretty much sums it up. Any questions?
NMBill, if you walked downtown with no pants on the msm would cover it and analyze you six ways to Sunday. Refugee camps? Move along. Nothing to see here.
Boots on the ground isn't going to solve this conflict. Neither is killing people from the air. There needs to be a serious peace process, which there is not presently. And, yes, that does mean the Taliban will have to be part of it. It's not a question of whether we like them or not: the present Western invasion, even if it were legitimate, which it isn't, won't work--not for the people of Afghanistan--because there is steady supply of recruits for the Taliban and the elements in Pakistan (and elsewhere) who offer them support. In Canada, a large number of us have been making this point for several years; the opposition parties are finally starting to listen but the governing party has a head like a block of wood. It will simply need to be displaced.
Are we to believe that bombs falling out of the sky are an act of god?
Back to the subject.
First, I hope the media covers the conditions in the refuge camps.
Second, who is to blame when a bullet comes from a village and the village is destroyed by massive airpower?
Shoot a few shots at the invading forces from your enemy's house, and let massive airpower do the rest. IT WORKS!
A vote for McCain is a vote for Obama, oh sorry I meant the other way around.
Obama wants to be the first African American war criminal.
Damn you Dem Party Apologists and Lesser Evilists.
As the occupying force it is the duty of the American people to protect and provide for the needs of these people. I wonder which of our children we must starve to pay for Mister Bush's invasion of Afghanistan for Big Oil's Pipeline?
Without more boots on the ground, the only way such a war can be fought is by drawing the insurgents into battle, so they can be targeted from the air. Of course, it's not easy to distinguish between local villagers and insurgents from a from a plane traveling at 400MPH. The only realistic alternative--if recruiting and sending 400,000 NATO troops is not considered a realistic notion--is to increase the strength of the Army, but because of "ethnic fault lines", that's a tricky proposition as well.