Interesting to note that average Canadians voted, in the tens of thousands, for a man named Tommy Douglas as the top Canadian of the Century...and Tommy was a SOCIALIST...also a MINISTER.
WOW.
He helped bring in Universal health care, and other humane pieces of legislation. It is clear he had a CONSCIENCE. He was a Minister, and was beloved by many in his day (up to the 70's)...and not so long ago voted tops...
Clearly, in the eyes of many his SOCIALISM made him... EVIL/scary/nasty/BAD for Business/BAD for PROFITS/NOT a good AMERICAN (Canadian)/not a GAWD FEERING man..and so on.
But real people know what he really did,and he came out number ONE- not some Captain Of Industry or a similar CRAP human being.
So, maybe Socialism is JUST BEING A HUMAN BEING IN A HUMAN WAY-JUST THE GOLDEN RULE-REALLY-expressed in POLITICS...certainly a lot closer to humanity and LESS DEADLY than COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM-ie: EVIL ALL DRESSED UP IN GAWD FEERING SUNDAY GO TO CHURCH TO ENJOY YOUR ASSETS ON THE PEW sort of crap...

I keep reading good points this should be done or that and guess what nothing changes.

Maybe your right Dan but my take on that is Hillary would like to be asked but would she like to take directions from her rival? She would put the Trash the Clinton machine in high gear.. It is what the Republicans were hoping to unleash and I feel that is why Rush wanted Hillary to win and why he wants violence at the convention in Denver.

If I was the Clintons I would be tired of all the mud slinging and now they can be on the sidelines like us and say what we want. Do ya think they want to see election ads about Bills tricks again?

This is big league Hardball stuff now.

I think Hillary and Bill can become loved by doin what they can to stop McCain and like the rest of the planet, be happy for the progress. She is a good Senator and why risk losing her seat, it is very important.

Obama has many advisors so he knows what is goin on in the big boys camp and he had better know.... Ike said it is our Duty.

I've pretty much stomached Wal Mart's shenanigans in the past. To their credit, they have stepped up and helped the people of New Orleans during Katrina (FEMA turned thenm away). But this union busting, voter intimidation crap is the last straw. Telling people how to vote? Shouldn't that be illegal? No more Wally World for me!

I hope so, Jim. I'm all for Obama (of course), but confess I'm a bit worried that a Republican strategy focused entirely on Ohio, Pennsylvania, the Virginias and Michigan could subvert the will of the rest of us. For that reason, (and only that reason) I wish Obama would bring Hillary on board. It may come down to needing not only the third party people, but critically needing the diehard Clinton people (women) in the Appalachian region.

That is right Dan and if 3rd party people help the world stop the union busters, they well be our allies for the harder job to come and organize progressives into the strongest force in America!

We are getting stronger every day as the pendulum swings forward and to the left!

People in the world are wakin up to the necessity of progressives uniting for peace and prosperity and it is gonna be a struggle...just like always.

We are in a revolution that the history books of our day, the Internet, has recorded.

Obama has now appointed as his top economic adviser a Wal Mart executive; this from a guy who criticized Hillary for having been a Wal Mart Director.

Pathetic.

No real threat to Wal Mart comes from Obama.

Good job, tumbleweed. Many say that Democrats and Republicans are all the same. But they're not.

The devastations to unionism brought on by Reagan (see posts above) would not have happened without Reagan---that is, without a Republican win.

We have a chance to elect better with Obama, and we'd better do it. There is no "socialism" with a constant stream of the opponents of socialism sitting year after year in The White House. There is only degradation of what social remnants we have remaining.

My husband worked Union (Construction work/Operating Engineers) for 45 years of his working career. He retired with a good retirement benefits monthly and health insurance. The biggest problem in this country is people listen to Republican rhetoric about everything. They believe every last word these people tell them without ever questioning the motives behind their words. Which is pretty much like asking the fox to guard the hen house. You don't ask someone who has a 'bottom line' interest in not seeing unions came back what they think of the idea. These people are not for unions because it would take away from their hefty profits to pay a decent working wage and benefits. The Republican's have succeeded in their goal of making this a 'third world' nation where the rich rule and everyone else fights for the few scraps that fall from their table. When American's finally get it through their heads the Republican's have their own selfish interests at heart in everything they say and do. Most of the problem will solve itself. But, I don't know how many union members still vote Republican without ever giving it a thought of how badly they are slitting their own throat.

This kind of pressure has been going on for some time in many different corporations. I met some middle-management types from McDonald's in 2004 at a fundraising party for John Kerry. They said they didn't dare reveal their political leanings at the office since their superiors supported Bush. Subtle hints of who they should vote for included Bush buttons and bumper stickers left on their desks; a not-so-subtle memo from the department director that said while he would never tell anyone who to vote for, he just thought he'd let his workers know that one of the candidates was for higher taxes, against free trade and opposed the goals of McDonald's, with a picture of Kerry helpfully posted next to the paragraph; an office stooge regularly checked bumpers in the parking lot for the 'wrong' stickers, and there was a 'mandatory attendance' Bush re-election celebration the night after the vote.

They mentioned that one woman complained about these practices and her life was made pure hell -- the top execs were trying to force her to quit, in the MM's opinions.

So, they all lied to their bosses; some even put a Bush sticker on their bumper; all of them enjoyed the free liquor at the Bush re-elect party, although the point of the celebration made them gag.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/01/10756/

I don't shop there and if I am forced it is because I can't find it elsewhere. Slave wages for a slave country that is even with out healthcare.

In the 1950's and 60's the middleclass was flourishing as it never before.. The gap between haves, and haves not, was closing and those in upper classes were becoming extremely nervous.
So, the story has it, they set about with a plan to put things back the way should be as they saw it, with them at the top and everybody else working to keep them there.
Part of that plan, was to destroy the unions which they saw as the great equalizer and supporter of full employment.
With the help of the government they have over the last 40 years accomplished just that.. The largest transfer of wealth to the top 1% percent of the population in history.
And this call this a democracy! What a lie!
Wakeup you supporters of Obama and McCain they are nothing more then the choices that the elites have made for you..
Obama the Manchurian candidate and McCain the voice of APAC.

Stop, your senseless cheering and banner waving and take the time to do some real thinking about how things have gotten this bad..
As Marx said "all wars are class wars".
So, kid yourself not, this always been a class war between the haves and haves nots and it always will be..
The Walton family are the haves.. Their employees are the have nots.
The landowners and their surfs.
Feudalism is alive and well.

"the MSM propaganda over the last few generations has been pretty succesful in convincing even the poorest Americans that organized labor is bad and unpatriotic."

Not a great accomplishment really . MSM could convince the richest and smartest Americans that the world is flat or that the moon is made of green cheese . If not then why is MSM still in business ? Josef Goebells (sp?)said "Just tell the biggest lie , many , many times"

BOYCOTT WALMART!!!!

in addition to boycotting walmart, know that here in washington state, where walmart has a HUGE presence, Dino Rossi is the Republican richfilth who supports them.

he's in deep.

this is a poem about the late sammy, to the tune of "christmas is coming":

christmas is coming and my wallet's getting fat,
if you can't buy the product, then please put it back,
if you haven't got the money, then take a hike my friend,
cuz a friend without money is a friend who cannot spend.

brough to you buy a spendthrift.

and remember!!!! there's a reason why people like dino rossi can't just buy a yacht like a normal richfilth and move to florida and leave the common people alone.

the same goes for mccain. shouldn't the american public have a restraining order out on him by now?? isn't there a law barring people with brain damage from being president??

brought to you buy the letters I R and S.

Wal-Mart Don't like the Democrats?

There is one thing that can be depended on; Big business knows who it's friends are.

Obviously Wal-Mart sees a difference between the two parties.

And for WM, the Dem's are the 'greater evil."

Damn, that is funny on a CD thread.

Obama '08. That rhymes with 'Not McCain."

so many of my so called progressive friends still shop at sprawlmart. it makes me sick, the hypocracy of americans! if each of us, one at a time ( this means you) vowed to never walk in their door again, they would go away! trees would push up from the cracks in the parking lot. eventually the roofs would cave in. just say no....

Thank goodness for Costco...wait a minute...!

miftin and wilmoor;Thanks for the chuckles.

It may be that the true answer to big business is NOT big labor...

its small business.

Walmart began dominating the market for selling Chinese goods in American backyards. At some point, no competitor could gain footage against the behemoth. The answer at that point was to break Walmart into smaller companies. I say this with all apologies to Sam Walton (who genius-like, understood how to sell to America). But, at some point in a companies growth, the natural thing is to try to monopolize the market. At that point, you aren't creating competitiveness for your customer, you're eating your customer. Same thing happened with Amerca's railroads during the 19th century. Thats the point at which either labor organizes, or govt should step in and break the company in two.

I think there should be a law that says if a company gets to where it employs more than a certain number of employees, or commands a certain domination over its particular market, it should be split in two: two separate managements, forced to compete with each other for the customers dollar. Also forced to compete with each other for the laborer's wages!

When you split a company in two, the owners of the original company become the owners of the two companies. That is, they own the same amount of property as before. The only change is that you have TWO management teams competing to provide value to the consumer, wage to the laborer, and profit to the owner, rather than one. In that situation, the laborer ends up in a much better bargaining position, and doesn't need to join a union to obtain a better bargaining position. HIs/her position is better, because there are more companies (read: more management teams) ready to compete to hire him/her should he/she decide to walk, which is ultimately the only leverage ANY employee has with a company.

We need fewer employee's (thats not going to happen) and more management teams competing to hire them (that IS going to happen under my scenario), for labor to be recognized and rewarded appropriately.

miftin August 1st, 2008 5:28 pm wrote:

"So I did the patriotic thing. I got her license plate number and turned her in to the police."

Good going miftin. I'd report her to the IRS too -- she may have cheated on her income tax, who knows? I hope the cops put her in irons. Think they'll hang her? Hope so.

WalMart shouldn't worry, a Democratic victory won't change a darn thing, Hillary was on their board, remember?

Ok they might make things easier for unions and increase wages by 12 cents to make it look that it's not legalized slavery anymore but things will remain the same or get worse.

"Don't listen to those who shout socialism when
unions are mentioned."

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Why not? Unionization is a socialist concept, along with democracy, egalitarianism, justice, disarmament, peace, government assistance for the needy, free health care, free education and every other concept you can mention that favors the worker and improves his quality of life.

We have been subjected to 50+ years of negative propaganda about socialism because socialism is exactly what the US ruling elite fears most. They pee down their legs when they have visions of the workers accepting socialism.

Since the middle 70's, and especially since Reagan, the government has been systematically dismantling all elements of socialism established by FDR in the 1930's. Though they haven't yet been successful in trashing Social Security, they haven't given up trying.

Socialism is exactly what is needed in the US to counter the neocon barbarism that has been tearing the country apart for the past 30 years.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with socialism from the workers point of view. It's the very clever propaganda we've all been subjected to that causes many in the lower and middle classes to have a negative opinion of socialism, when in reality it's our salvation.

Socialism is the best remedy for the rapacious capitalism we've all been complaining about. In fact, just about any prescription you can name that will mollify the capitalist abuse we've been experiencing, is an element of socialism.

There is nothing about socialism that is any way prejudicial to the interests of the working class, though the capitalist media would have us believe socialism was created by the devil himself on a day when he was feeling particularly mean and nasty.

When socialism is accorded the respect it deserves by the workers, then we will have progress. Don't expect the Democrats to be of any help in this regard. The Greens will move us in the right direction.

Read Johnston's _Free Lunch_ to see how Wall-Marts don't pay local property taxes and are given subsidies in the form of being authorized to collect State and local sales taxes but apply them to the cost of building their own stores. They're like stadium deals. The taxpayers get to pay for the box stores with no windows. No wonder they charge less.

And then what happens to the local small businesses who do pay property and sales taxes? They're driven out of business by price wars. Who suffers? Local schools, police, firefighters.

People who shop at Wall-Mart (or towns that "attract" their stores by tax breaks) funnel money directly into the Little Rock bank accounts of the Waltons.

USAn - "Jason Furman, Obama's chief economic adviser, is a 100% supporter of the neoliberal-capitalist, anti-union, economic philosophy of Wal-Mart. So, isn't his business relations, or lack thereof, to Wal-Mart completely besides the point?"
Not at all. As I wrote earlier, it is a greater degree of noxiousness to be on the corporate board, which oversees the operations of and supports management, than to merely be a prominent cheerleader. For her service on the Wal-Mart board, Clinton was also paid quite well. As for Furman, his low-rent Ayn Rand wanna-be economic theories are quite repulsive, but have nowhere the impact that serving on the Wal-Mart board does. In fact, did Cllinton use her term on the Wal-Mart board to make a loud public demand they behave? The prior sentence was a rhetorical question.

This reminds me of when I was working for a commercial and industry roofing company. The owner held a meeting right after Clinton was voted into office. Informing us how bad it was going to get now that a democrat was in office. Claiming the jobs for us would become scarce and not able to give raises. I'd been with the company for about 2 years at this point, and through about 8 years watched the company grow to become one of the larger roofing companies in the area. They eventually hired/con'd 2 sales reps from another company, along with 2 crews from the same company. WELL, the only part that was wrote in stone was, no raises. Even though those 2 reps brought in more business and the company grew to what it is today. I say con'd, because the owner was suspose to sell the company to those reps after settling in after a period. Suposedly, the banks refused to loan them the money because times were not good for the roofing business at the time :-) yea right. I still remember that meeting also, welcoming them and the new found crews to the company. As always in roofing, the only one's left the next year were the new reps. Each year always brought in a new bunch and fresh laborers, being promises were always broken for advancement and raises. To get a raise in the commercial and industry roofing business, you have to quit, go to another company for more or the same money. Then come back hoping they need the help bad enough to give you the money you deserve. I should say, a little more. Because believe me, commercial and industry roofing is a very dirty and hard type of work! And while the owners get down right rich, the workers get just enough to get by. Unless your a laborer, they work their asses off for a mere 8 to 10 bucks an hour. I could go on and on about roofing, but it would be off topic :-)

Nate,

Jason Furman, Obama's chief economic adviser, is a 100% supporter of the neoliberal-capitalist, anti-union, economic philosophy of Wal-Mart. So, isn't his business relations, or lack thereof, to Wal-Mart completely besides the point?

Doom n Gloom - "I'm sure the great majority of Wal Mart customers are democrats."

A whole lot of walmart customers are rich republicans. I worked for a few, so I know. They don't buy the junk that falls apart the first time you use it, but they buy a lot. That way they can hang onto their money.

There are the people who shop there because they've maxed out their credit cards, or don't have any, and have to shop there.

There are those who shop there because of the cheap prices, even though they bitch about the slave labor, "blah, blah, blah," when it comes to doing something about it, like buying from a small retailer, then it's the old, "I know, but they (walmart) sell it so cheap!"

And there are those like me, who pay the small retailer's prices for necessities, and do without otherwise rather than give that sleeze dump a cent of their meager funds.

The republican dream of the future: A walmart every ten miles, and a prison in between; and mansions dotting the landscape of every current National Park, with a landing strip for the jets to go shoppiing in Paris or Italy, and other elite places.

The other evening I got into a casual conversation with a woman who works at Wal-Mart. She quietly confided in me that she doesn't like working at Wal-Mart, that management treats her badly and she has been working her head off but hasn't gotten a raise in three years.

So I did the patriotic thing. I got her license plate number and turned her in to the police.

USAn "… and it makes Obama, with his Wal-Mart defending, head economic advisor and "free market" extremist, Jason Furman even more noxious!"
Having an advisor tangentially linked to Wal-Mart (as Obama does) is nowhere as noxious as serving on their corporate board (which Clinton did). Obama merely has a cheerleader for Wal-Mart is his midst, Clinton directly profited as a board member. Participation in bad things is much worse than cheering for them.

Quit your Walmart job. Gather your local small farmer/craftsman suppliers and open your mom-n-pop merchant enterprise today. We know our destiny - to master the dynamics of independent local economies composed of small independent enterprises. Get to work! As for labor unions - let them morph into small local enterprise unions.

"Is any of this a surprise? It only makes Hillary Clinton's involvement on the Wal-Mart board that much more noxious."

... and it makes Obama, with his Wal-Mart defending, head economic advisor and "free market" extremist, Jason Furman even more noxious!

While it may be obvious to any informed person that society benefits greatly from a large, unionized work force, the MSM propaganda over the last few generations has been pretty succesful in convincing even the poorest Americans that organized labor is bad and unpatriotic.

resistor - Aug 1 2:25

I was in the US merchant Marine during Reagan's reign. One of the first things he did in office, with the help of Liddy Dole was to dismantle a long-standing rule that said, "If American goods move by ship from and American port to an American port, those goods must be transported on a vessel with an American flag. (At that time 95% of American ships that could comply were UNION ships.
The outcome of that was that American goods went from American ports to American ports on non-union, foreign vessels. Anything to destroy unions.
Even worse: The first Gulf War was being staged from Diego Garcia for over ten years. At first, the military materiel was transported by American merchant ships (Military Sea Lift Command, or MSTS).
Well, old Ronnie Reagan (or was it ray-gun?) decided again to cut the throat of our maritime unions and merchant sailors. Before you knew it, Yugoslavian ships (non-union, of course) were being utilized to supply our military. If you recall, while this was happening good ole boy Ronnie was calling the then Soviet Bloc the "Evil Empire"
That guy should be dug up, tried, and convicted posthumously for treason.

The high cost of low prices...

"Marler Clark Files Salmonella Saintpaul Lawsuit Against Wal-Mart (MarketWatch)"

Sonetimes you get what you pay for and sometimes you get a whole lot less.

The benefits that we have today, only came about some 50 years ago as the result of some 50 years of bloodshed and struggle by our exploited fathers, grandfathers and grandmothers.... In 1939 there was no such thing as a 40 hour workweek... In 1949 there was no such thing as a universal minimum wage. The labor landscape that today we so often take for granted was shaped by the blood, sweat and tears of our grand parents.

Today it is being wrested away from us by the same greedy corporations that hired thugs, assasains and scabs to kill, maim and blacklist our grandparents. That is the real war that is being smokescreened by the war on terror and the corporations that are trying to control america and both political parties.

KCT

Is any of this a surprise? It only makes Hillary Clinton's involvement on the Wal-Mart board that much more noxious.

... warning them of issues that could arise if Democrats win power and pass a law that would make it easier for workers to unionize

Yeah, right! Like that's gonna happen! Obviously Wal-Mart management hasn't been keeping up with Wall Street and its current political endorsements.

The Union Movement started to breakdown when the white block purged the red block from the unions. The business oriented class collaborationists who took over the leadership of the Union Movement pushed the line of partnership with the boss. Sweetheart agreements and sellouts were the rules of the day. This rightwing leadership in the union movement ran the unions like a business, with some even calling themselves "CEO"s. The AFL-CIO even cooperated with the imperialists as they ripped off the third world, particularly Latin America. The membership began to see their unions as nothing more than dues collection agencies in bed with the boss. While the union top leadership lived liked the elite, the membership saw their real incomes drop and drop. Frankly, it's no wonder that workers today have so little faith in the trade union movement.

What was and is required a total remake of the unions. They must become far more democratic and place far more efforts into educating their members. They MUST adopt a class struggle policy and dig in against the neo-liberal onslaught. They must expand their international relationships with other foreign workers and together take on the multinational corporations. The need to get their memberships totally involved in the political process and explain why the class interests of the capitalist class IS NOT in their class interests.

The only organization the working class has to fight their class enemies is the union movement, but to effectively fight and win, they need to adopt class struggle policies.

resistor wrote:

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Unions really are the only way to guarantee any protections for workers. Don't listen to those who shout socialism when unions are mentioned."

Yes. I am 72. My father talked about working conditions in the old days. No labor contracts, health/environmental considerations, or reliable hourly wages. Many workers were what today are termed "day workers". They waited outside of the factory and were hired for the day if workers were needed.

A working person cannot stand against corporate power alone. He or she is powerless and at the mercy of others. The unions provided the organization that had the power to bring the corporations to the negotiating table. Without the unions, the individual has no rights.

You got to get your retail stores unionized. More and more Americans work at the service industry/retail level. What is Wal-mart going to do?…threaten to move their retail outlets to China?

If you're employed by Wal-Mart, here are a few tips for survival and eventual promotion:

1. The boss can look at your password. I recommend something like "McCain1" or "Elephant2008" to completely placate the boss. A password like "ChairmanMao1949" will placate your Chinese government-connected suppliers, but might not make your boss smile.

2. Send a check for one dollar to the McCain campaign. They will send you lots of buttons, bumper stickers and autographed pictures of the candidate himself which you can place in your office/cubicle/locker. Then give cash only to a trusted friend who will give it to the Obama campaign.

3. Post a sign above your home telephone. "If an 'independent' pollster calls, ALWAYS say that we're all voting for McCain." Look, this happens in real life!

This is nothing new. Prior to WW2 (during the depression), I worked for Melville Shoe Corp.. We heard the same rhetoric while we were trying to organize and have the Union represent us. And you know what? They won! We had to wait until the war was over to finally become Unionized. They (corps) are powerful, but with persistance and enough workers and followers, that worm can turn.
These are different times. There is enough complacency and fear in the employees for these monsters to fatten their wallets!

When I was a child, my father was a member of the laborer's union, as well as the Teamster's Union. The unions in that time were very strong and were there to go to bat for their membership. They fought and negotiated very hard for their people, hence they were able to provide their members with health insurance, retirement, etc. I remember my parents being ecstatic when they were finally able to take their children to the dentist - I was 13 the first time I actually sat in a dental chair - all courtesy of my dad's union. When Republicans regained power - the party of big business - they proceeded to do their utmost to dismantle the unions and plunge the working class back into poverty. Reagan's firing of the striking air-traffic controlers, who had a legal right to strike, really capped the killing of the unions. Look what we have - or rather, don't have - today. The shrinking working/middle class that have very few benefits attached to their employment, and a pay or die medical system.
Employers that are unfriendly to unions will say that they don't want to be forced to continue employing someone that is not pulling their weight on the job, but that is rarely the real case - they don't want to have to meet union wage standards, or have employees going to a shop steward when they feel that they've been treated unfairly, because then employees would actually have a champion and a voice to speak for them.

Unions really are the only way to guarantee any protections for workers. Don't listen to those who shout socialism when unions are mentioned.

Where do we go from here?

WalMart would never have risen to its present level without the help of the Conservative element and it's move to centralize the control of the government.

The USA was formed originally by a small group of upper income business people, who carried with them the concept that it was a justified concept for a "few" to live at the expense of the "Many". Slavery was an acceptable institution---after all it was advocated in the Bible etc. Indentured servitude was another concept that was acceptable. The US Civil war destroyed that concept---along with many others and the USA was free to form a true Democracy.
Except for the duplicity that they expressed with the Tribal People---who held them off until the USA "surrendered with treaties of peace" TO US------the USA was begining to become the worlds only true democracy. Then the labor movement began to attract participants who realized that "Labor" had a valuable voice in the economy and they began to use it to benefit the "people"

The labor unions which sprang up in the early twentieth century and were the only true expression of Democracy in this society experienced a dismantling in the first Reagan administration and have suffered one set back after another since then.
The "old concept" that a few could justify living off the others never really died. It just took on a new form and gave this society "Social Parasites" like the Bushes, the Cheney's and so many others. With the help of the many Religious institutions that were scrambling for the same money in the form of "tithes" (the Judean/Christian concept of ten percent, i.e. one tenth etc---has a flow to it----when the tither has MORE that equates to MORE that is required to be given)- unless the difference can be offset with "Tax exemptions"----then it usually goes in the favor of the recipient----and against the giver-----

The only solution it would seem is to buy Union Made Goods when possible, promote and support union activities and participation---and do your best to avoid spending your money where it will eventually end up in the hands of the social parasites----every time you go see a movie you support a very strong unioin, every penny spent should go to Union sources;
if not keep it local.

Taking the MONEY out of politics where the social parasites are the main players would be an excellent begining-----but HOW to do this is not known yet----but it is a sure bet that it will NEVER be known until the USA at least begins to experiment with solutions.

One thing is obvious. The system stinks now, unless you are one of those "social parasites" and things are looking very good these days......

P.S.
For the property owners that is Real Estate owners who may be reading this. Review your Tax receipts and you will see a notation that reveals the "apportions" for your property Taxes-------then review your Fed Income Tax refund check----or look for it anywhere you desire----and you will not find the apportions-----which would reveal the fact that the Income Tax, in its present form is a violation of the Constitution (please do not believe ME---look it up) that states no tax that is not apportioned shall be levied-------Imagine that?

That change alone would take most of the money out of the politics-----and it may even lead to the reality that the members of both houses as well as the highest office would be staffed with those who COULD NOT MAKE THEMSELVES RICH WHILE IN OFFICE-----SINCE THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTIONS AS TO WHERE THE MONEY G-O-E-S-------------IT WOULD BE APPORTTIONED---JUST LIKE YOUR PROPETY TAXES.

Thanks for your time....

I'm sure the great majority of Wal Mart customers are democrats. This will not set well with them; but then, they will shop there anyway. It's don't tell, don't ask, just shop.

Why would anybody encourage those who steal from the hard-working taxpayer? This is the GOP drumbeat, yet the double standard is encouraged because WalMart are our FRIENDS. Crap! Friends don't send their emergency room bills to my house. My friends are welcome if their need is great, but I won't stand there while they pick my pockets, I haven't made a big enough payout, yet! Those who are still hiring can't afford to provide any benefits, because WalMart is leading in this race to the bottom. If you believe in hell, the Waltons will be your greeters today, thank you for your patronage!

Where do we go from here?

Homespun worked for Gandhi.

I haven't stepped into a Wal Mart for six years. Corporate trash of the corporate arm of the U.S. govorporation. We know the movie The High Cost of Low Prices.

Where do we go from here?

to Americans ..... "Beware of Wal-mart"

Unfortunately, the "Black Friday" slave laborers are just as scared as they are at Home Depot. Routinely, these workers are fired for anything and everything on a daily basis. (Just like their "white color" counterparts!)
Without being sadistic, these low paying jobs keep workers from an even lower level of financial ruin. So the absolute barest of rights as the relate to decency should apply. Management will push anti-union propaganda hard, ask a gangster like Fred Smith (FedEx) how he feels about worker protections.

"LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, denied a report Friday that it had pressured employees to vote against Democrats in November because of worries that a bill the party supports would make it easier for workers to unionize."

But then Wal-Mart has no employees only 'associates' ... this says nothing about them.

Like panicked rats on a sinking ship who waited too long to swim, their shrieks will get louder as the water gets above their necks.

A hard rain's gonna fall.