I think this letter is going to be filed by Obama in the nearest trash can. He has already forgot the thousands of active, believing and enthusiastic people who got him the nomination. He has now turned these people into naive suckers who really thought he was going to be different. John Kerry did the same thing, turning his back on his base once he knew they didn't have any other place to go, and concentrating on thte big corporate money until the election. So much for change or anthing different to believe in.

I agree with lwhunt330. This letter will make the circular file into the trash can.

Signed it. But I wish to inject that I believe the reason Obama signed the FISA bill was the immunity was only Civil, not Criminal;someone messed up:) So you can't be sued, but you can still go to jail! Does nobody read these bills? That is how the bill was written, really! They were so busy covering up their wallets, they forgot something much more important.

Great article based on a great letter signed by great people! Note the tone that followed their substance (their list of positions on issues):

"If you win in November, we will work to support your stands when we agree with you and to challenge them when we don't. We look forward to an ongoing and constructive dialogue with you when you are elected President.

Stand firm on the principles you have so compellingly articulated, and you may succeed in bringing this country the change you've encouraged us to believe is possible."

Note that the tone IS NOT: "You're a bum for having waffled here and there. We wouldn't trust you for anything on a bet. We're gonna flag-wave Naderism until we defeat you----you #%&@@@*!"

This is the stark difference between real progressivism and most of the comments that people post on CD. Elect first, then invite the letter-signers above to do the "Demand" part for you. (They're smarter.)

"It's been an unprecedented year for young voters . . . "

What about "old" voters? I guess you can't use the adjective 'unprecedented' because "old" voters have smelled this pile of excrement many times before. John McCain, the current reincarnation of Al Capone carrying a baseball bat and talking about "individual achievement" just before committing another murder. And Barack Obama, trying to pass himself off as I, Claudius, the only honest Emperor in a long line of Type A fools and thugs. Except no one is going to poison him . . . he hopes.

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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

OBAMA TOP CONTRIBUTORS

" You gotta dance with the one who brung ya "

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Goldman Sachs $606,080
University of California $488,159
JPMorgan Chase & Co $378,357
Citigroup Inc $371,704
UBS AG $370,850
Lehman Brothers $333,310
National Amusements Inc $332,839
Harvard University $325,424
Google Inc $321,964
Sidley Austin LLP $307,345
Skadden, Arps et al $281,163
Morgan Stanley $274,463
Time Warner $268,227
Jones Day $251,250
Exelon Corp $237,311
University of Chicago $230,175
Latham & Watkins $228,276
Microsoft Corp $222,578
Wilmerhale Llp $222,080
General Electric $210,329

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I'll say it again…

We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.

Never before as we do now

http://www.votenader.org/index.html

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VOTE NADER 2008… You'll be glad you did and so will I…

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turnofftv, WRONG WRONG WRONG, do you REALLY think any of the companies involved with illegally spying on millions of unsuspecting peaceful americans will ever accually be sent to jail over this? The ONLY place corporations can be punished is the pocketbook!!! you cant put a corporate charter in jail, well i guess you could, but its a piece of paper!! (the piece of paper with all the rights as a person) so go ahead, jail the corporate 'person' A PIECE OF PAPER!!! that will really show those lawbreaking corporations whats up.

if you feel disenfranchised over Obamas FISA vote, and his swift move to the supposed 'right' of the political spectrem ('right' being fewer safeguards for american workers and less regulations on for-profit companies doing business, less environmental protections, ect, ect, ect), then you are not alone!

NOTE TO ALL DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS, VOTE GREEN PARTY 08', SHOW THE DEMOCRATE ENABLERS THAT THEIR UNDERMINING OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED!! GREEN PARTY NEEDS JUST 10% OF THE VOTE TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FUNDING IN THE NEXT ELECTION!! SEND THE TWO-HEADED ONE PARTY SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY one giant curveball!

vote for worker rights, vote for fair trade, vote for environmental responsiblity, vote for fair access to healthcare, vote for the ending of the drug war, vote for the ending of 50 cents of every dollar in taxes going toward the oppression of foreign peoples, vote for fasttract renewable energy, VOTE GREEN PARTY!!!!!!

Man it's easy to fake out progressives. The kind of change that Obama seeks is the physical kind, money. Yesterday he made some change in Roy Blunts home town, one quarter million at a five thousand dollar a plate dinner. Yes, Obama wants change! You and I have no change and will see no change from him.

"The long night of greed and military adventurism under the Bush Administration, which a McCain administration would continue, cannot be brought to an end a day too soon."

Everything is there except the cheque. So why wait another four years, vote for the Greens this time.

It's interesting how many Obama supporters believe that whatever he says that they agree with is a solemn promise and everything else is a "necessary ploy to get elected."
There is no delusion like liberal self-delusion.
Seems the more things change the more they stay the same.
Alex Cockburn recently remarked, "what shift to the right? Obama has always been a corporatist"
In retrospect Alex may well be right. That list of big money contributors is very,very discouraging.

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http://www.pr.com/article/1100

Ralph Nader Goes to Washington... Again -

The PR.com Interview
By Allison Kugel, Senior Editor - May 14, 2008

Ralph Nader:
We just accept money from individuals, as long as it's legal. We don't take money from PACs (Political Action Committees). We don't take money from commercial interests, which have a quid pro quo, like the oil companies, auto companies and insurance banks. We don't do that. If people want to contribute, no matter who they are, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Republican, Green, whatever… you want to contribute? Welcome. There's no quid pro quo (a Latin term meaning "something for something"). They see where we stand and they see our issues on the table. You want to contribute? We're grateful.

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Daniel Davis-
So true. The tantrums- I mean posts- have really gone downhill. People would rather bitch and feel right than work to be right.

Defenestrator,

Thanks. This site is a blessing for us to have, and how I wish it wasn't mis-used so much. I keep trying, and most despise me for it. Not so, you. That's nice.

Right on Defenestrator. This vote-for-Nader spam really smells like McCain's campaign-- shills or dupes-- doesn't really matter. A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. The Green party needs to get the F. out of presidential politics and win a few seats in Congress first.

Obama is the best realistic choice for president at this time. Period. Work for his election or STFU.

Are we getting it yet? OBAMA DOES NOT WANT TO BE SEEN WITH "US." Nader, Nader, Nader. Call me stupid. I'm sick of feeling sick.

I disagree with the first two posters that Obama will put this in the circular file. Au contraire, if his aides can find any way to do it, they will frame the letter and put it on the wall as a monument to tough love to gratify his vanity as Dear Leader, the one we've been waiting for.

What these folks must realize is that Obama will soak up all the love in this letter and none of its toughness. As several posters have said, he has the assured vote of every man and woman who signed, or so they say. If later on they complain that he doesn't make himself "accountability" to them by his actions as President, he will say to them exactly what GW Bush said when anyone questioned his war policies: that the 04 election represented an "accountability moment" in which people accepted his policies because they accepted his "re-election." Refusal to vote for a corporatist candidate, Republican or Democrat, is the ONLY power that citizens have to influence their elected officials, and if you and I, unlike the signers of this letter, are unwilling to make our vote conditional on a pre-election responsiveness to our concerns, we are doomed to an eternity of voting for the lesser of two "evil" candidates. Maybe Dante needs a new chapter to his Inferno.

Ralph Nader knows he can't win. He doesn't want to win. He just keeps running to keep his personal gravy train going. If Barack Obama is not worthy of your trust, no one is.

Youth know full well how our sham democracy functions. This grocery list doesn't even begin to cover their grievances. If youngsters are free from the infectious delusions of militarism, they are looking for their Government to crush and bust up corporate domination. Greedy contractors like Lockheed Murder, inhaling billions from a false war on terror. Throw the architects of our illegal invasions in jail. Destroy and rebuild our obsolete form of governance - Outdated, ineffective, corrupt and broken! Obama is a traitor to his own roots.

Obama wants to be the first African American war criminal, ahead of even Collin Powell and Condi Rice.

He's laughing at this preposterous letter from The Nation. How naive can Democrats be?

Didn't they have enough with the lies and betrayal of Nancy Peloser?

No, No, Nader! Oh, puh-lease! The trolls are trolling here.

The letter is a good one and will go inside some of those Obama envelopes coming to me requesting campaign money in lieu of a donation. (I've left my progressive pledge at Democrats.com and am waiting for a good reason to pay up -- maybe a good vice presidential candidate??!?)

I am the one who you call "spams" the site. It is the easiest way for me to participate. Cut and paste and try to do it timely. I can't type so I hunt and peck. I can't post here as well as some of you. I am a shut-in and politics on the net is one of my favorite things to do.
I am a avid follower of Nader's and have been for a long time. I read all the articles and enjoy the opinions.
I have 9 Greatgrand children so you can see I have been around a long time.
You probably wouldn't believe how long it took to write this. I am certain there are others who don't write posts but who can read and wish they could participate too. If you don't like the "spam " please stroll passed and go on your way.

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Vote Green and get what you deserve - four more years of Republican mob rule. Two or three more right-wing Supreme Court justices. An end to Roe v. Wade. Blanket pardon of anyone in the Bush administration who may or may not have committed crimes against humanity. Continued isolation on the world stage. Increased hatred of the US in the Near East. Guaranteed pushing of global warming past the tipping point. Permanent loss of the civil rights you thought were guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. More torture. More disappearances. More and more war. yeah boy, vote Green, because Obama can't guarantee to fix everything overnight. After all, we know that the Republicans and Democrats in Congress will go along with Nader on every issue, don't we?

Get real, Naderites. If Ralph COULD win, his administration would be crippled from day one. But he can't win. All he can do is siphon off enough liberal and progressive votes from Obama to give the Republicans what they didn't get in 2000 or 2004: an honest victory in the popular and electoral vote.

Nannie -- Four consecutive posts in which you didn't say a damned thing.

The total of all those contributions you list? $6,261,884
Percentage of Obama's total? 1.84%

Obama's total contributions from PACs? $1570

If you truly have to "dance with the one who brung ya", then Obama must dance with the millions of regular citizens who contributed the vast majority of his funds. That is the point of this open letter: You are where you are because of all the little people. If you want to their further support, which you must have to succeed, then you need to listen to them.

Screaming NADERNADERNADER at the top of your lungs does nothing to improve anything except, maybe, McCain's chances in November. If McCain wins, good luck getting Nader in next time. We'll probably be in a state of martial law come November 2012 on account of McCain getting us into WWIII.

Nothing less than what I'd expect from The Nation, as well as the list of "signer-on'er's (OK, I'm a bit disappointed with Zinn)

This would-be murderer will simply take up the mantle "W" leaves for him. He and his cohorts in congress will continue to ravage the earth, it's peoples -- including us (their favorite whipping-boys), taking away our rights and privacy and advance the Police State. The criminals before him will go unpunished and the lawlessness will continue.

Yes, about those "new & young voters", they're prime meat for the taking. Naive and idealistic. They'll be chewed-up, spit-out, and once again, we'll be at square one...for four more years.

It's their RECORD people. Quit being so stupid and naive. You want more change than the suit in the seat, or not?

Obama looks and sounds nearly perfect, just remember... for 8 years we've been starved for someone who can at least speak coherently.

We need real action, real credibility and honesty. O has already lied and lied some more.

Vote for someone that will deliver the goods.

Vote Nader, or be disappointed.

Don't waste your vote again. Its critical mass time.

To Nannie and others,

If you didn't have your head in the clouds, you would KNOW for 100% sure that there was never going to be a President Ralph Nader in 2000 and 2004, and there won't be in 2008. It's one thing to vote for Nader, as I did in 2000, as a way of putting pressure on the Dems. I did it to show the Dems they couldn't take the progressive vote for granted, knowing there was no way that Bush would win my state. It's called tactical voting. It's quite another thing to vote Nader regardless of the consequences; people who do so at the potential cost of Obama losing their state and the White House need to have their intelligence questioned.

It seems to me I've heard all this before:

http://www.50bushflipflops.com/Image_Index/index.html

Lets not get fooled again. Vote for almost any other third party candidate other than Obama or McCain.

For some die hard Obama supporters anyone with an independent thought or who uses their brain instead of just absorbing whatever someone else puts out - is a TROLL. They do a lot of discredit to Obama by behaving this way. Can't they understand that not everyone has to agree with them and that a free, independent person has the right to debate and challenge things.

Huzzah (2:57" You (Obama) are where you are because of all the little people (small donations campaign supporters). If you want to their further support, which you must have to succeed, then you need to listen to them."

Why does he need to listen to them? He has their "further support" (votes and probably more dollars) anyway. And my impression is that Obama doesn't listen to his supporters but only talks, and only listens to his campaign aides who tell him what to say to get more votes (dollars).

Oncemanc: "It's quite another thing to vote Nader regardless of the consequences; people who do so at the potential cost of Obama losing their state and the White House need to have their intelligence questioned."

Oncemanc, the consequences of voting for someone are that they may win the election.

You seem to believe that all is lost if Obama isn't the next prez. This is the mentality that develops when minority rights and civil liberties degrade to the point where those on each side fear that they will lose everything if they loose their grip on power. Perhaps if progressives/liberals gave the Dems/Repubs a pledge of amnesty for past crimes they would in turn allow fair and free elections in which you have a choice to vote for the candidates that espouse popular positions like peace, universal healthcare living wage etc..

Having no other strategy, we're forced to get down on our knees now, and beg. And we should. Innocents are killed, maimed, and terrorized on a daily basis because of Obama and other "higher ups" like him. If he cared on bit about "the people," he wouldn't have voted yea on the FISA bill. That was a vote directed at you. You should take it seriously and very personally.

If this were a Republican, you'd be foaming at the mouth. The traitor! The war monger! Cares more about corporations than he does people's health! Is OK with government spying on ayone without warrants. But because it's Obama, you're constrained, all you can do is say pretty please and appeal to his "higher principles."

Here's the picture:

War funding perpetuates the the illegal, brutal occupation.

The occupation is responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths.

Obama consistently voted for war funding.

Obama is responsible for the deaths. (You know, like a hit man murder, really. What's the difference? We don't have double standards, do we?)

The deaths will go on. Voters will be disgusted and so a carefully researched and designed Republican candidate will bump him. And so on and on it goes, the highly effective stratgy the Empire has devised - of which innocent and helpless people will be the victims.

If we don't RESIST (not beg but refuse him his reward) he has no reason to care. Scroll up to Nannie's comment here. These people are the ones who hob nob with Obama and supply him with motivation, not us beggars from below. He's been vetted so I think you're wrong that we'll be able to turn him into a progressive.

Obsequious pleadings will have no effect. I advise that you call a spade a spade and turn away in disgust. Build something else, start a new movement, study social research and design. Make your own rules.

If you shake up all of humanity and then put a magnet to the entire lot - a magnet that only attracts smart, charismatic but ruthless game players and power seekers, you might just get Senator Obama. Yet, this man signed off on the deaths of at least thousands of innocent people. At the same time he has his obsequious progressive crowd cheering for him. Would these same people cheer for Ted Bundy. How is this different.

would any of you nader haters at least like to see a third party in the debates?
this year is your chance, the internet will not be this open come 2012.

i am a fan of many of the above signed, but believe that supporting nader could force obama to confront these issues, rather than letting him take my vote for granted.

I'll bite on these two lines:

An environmental policy that transforms the economy by shifting billions of § dollars from the consumption of fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, creating millions of green jobs.

Reform of the political process that reduces the influence of money and corporate lobbyists and amplifies the voices of ordinary people.

~ There are no greeen jobs, as there are no green industries...the very concepts of jobs and industry share the underlying notion of toxic, non-biodegradeable 'products' created from the living earth for human consumption and disposal...we can no longer afford to continue to manufacture 'products'...we must learn to live without Legos and Barbies and TVs and computers and iPods and everything else...

How about these two lines:

A commitment to the rights of women, including the right to choose abortion and  improved access to abortion and reproductive health services.

Reform of the drug laws that incarcerate hundreds of thousands who need help, not jail.

~ Those who choose to enjoy substances others may not are not in need of 'help' (help to quit?), anymore than women who are pregnant and choose to abort need help to see they should carry to term and birth...neither of these issues are anybody else's goddamned business...you have no right to imprison, or lecture, or threaten, or kill those involved with these choices...they are inherent, unalienable rights, beyond comment by others...it's a tough one to get, but these people have these rights whether you agree with them or not...what they need, mostly, is for you to get the hell away from them and leave them the hell alone...

huzzah

"If you truly have to "dance with the one who brung ya", then Obama must dance with the millions of regular citizens who contributed the vast majority of his funds."

Not quite.

"The percentage of money coming from donors giving $200 or less to Barack Obama's presidential bid has increased by two points, from 45 percent to 47 percent"

http://tinyurl.com/6pwyk6

Lawyers, Wall Street Executives and college professors are more forthcoming:

http://tinyurl.com/55a62u

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VOTE NADER 2008 !!!!!!

End this war

Bring the troops home

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With apologies to Jim Morrison. To the Democratic Party faithful, Obama is Lord. "You cannot petition the Lord with prayer". Neither will a letter of the above variety have any effect. It is as if, it is CYA for those that fell for Obama early on and now wish he were someone else but know it will never be so.

Changing to Green, voting for Nader.

It's faintly amusing to watch the pro-duopoly "pragmatists" put their heads together and nuzzle each other like a team of blindered Clydesdales, mutually affirming the idiocy and irresponsibility of those who persist in acting like the world is other than a two-inch strip in front of the eyes, dead-center, and surrounded by blackness.

Oncemanc, it's disingenuous at best to assert that my or any other dissenter's intelligence needs to be questioned. That's not the Clydesdale SOP; the Clydesdale practice is to denounce anything that seems to come out of the mysterious blackness as blatant foolishness or stupidity, because lesser-evil Clydesdales DEFINE "intelligence" as anything that fits into that narrow zone of "reality", and nothing that doesn't.

I voted for Nader in 2000. The only thing that keeps me from despair today is that Al Gore carried my state (Maryland) so at least I didn't help "elect" Bush. I voted for third party candidates in every other election going back to 1988, but the vote in 2000 was the last "protest" vote I'll ever cast.

Bush has accomplished one thing. He's proven to me that there is very definitely a difference between major party candidates. I signed the petition to Obama though it likely won't cause him do anything he wouldn't do otherwise, because given the alternative, I'm willing to take a chance on the guy. This November, I'll vote for Obama as I'd have voted for Hillary, the much lesser of two evils when compared with McCain, for the sake of the Supreme Court.

THAT is the real change to be determined by this election, and it's the one place where Obama absolutely WILL make a difference.

The two most liberal Supreme Court justices are John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who are also the oldest. Justice Stevens is 88. I wish him many more good years, but he almost certainly will not be on the Bench through 2012.

If we want to rescue this American experiment, if it can be rescued, it is imperative that the balance of the Court shift no further to the right. The four liberal justices (Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Souter) and the swing vote (Kennedy), along with Scalia, are the six oldest. Wouldn't it be a hoot if during a two term Obama administration, Scalia's seat could be taken by a liberal? Thomas is so intellectually bereft, and so accustomed to voting with Scalia, that he'd probably follow whoever filled Scalia's chair and we'd get "two for the price of one" out of the deal.

No illusions here. Our society and our government are broken without a doubt. But things could be much worse. Give us another Republican administration, with an Alito to replace Stevens and a Roberts to replace Ginsberg. Give us a few more years of economic disaster, maybe a nice war with Iran with oil at $300 a barrel and a real old-school 1930's style depression, and you'll see the masses whipped into a frenzy over who's to blame. Part of that blame will be assigned to people like us who dare to express dissident opinions. If we persist we'll see the insides of the internment camps that the Neocon SS has been getting ready for us. This election represents a chance, maybe our last chance, to arrest that slide.

Things are a mess here. But they're a damn sight better than what the Russians had to deal with under Stalin, or the Chinese under Mao, or come to think of it, Americans who were suspected of being Communists during the Red Scare following World War I, which made the excesses of the McCarthy era look rather tame. Let's keep some perspective, lest we find ourselves sharing such fates.

Unfortunately Obama is more of the same. He did attend the last Bilderberg meeting in June. The next president SHOULD be someone who doesn't attend secretive meetings of the elite. Unfortunately they would not be allowed any press coverage, and not be 'allowed' to become president. There is no democracy in the US and hasn't been for awhile. Only the illusion of democracy. Puppets.

Jerry D. Rose July 31st, 2008 2:32 pm wrote:

"As several posters have said, he has the assured vote of every man and woman who signed, or so they say. If later on they complain that he doesn't make himself "accountability" to them by his actions as President, he will say to them exactly what GW Bush said when anyone questioned his war policies: that the 04 election represented an "accountability moment" in which people accepted his policies because they accepted his "re-election.""

Nail on the head. I think what's happening now is that even many smart progressives have nothing much but "hope" that Obama isn't a corporatist despite the evidence, but there's too much timidity to strike out on a course to support third party. The intellectual underpinning of the course these letter-signers are taking - complain publicly but guarantee Obama the vote anyway no matter what he says or does before election day - makes No Logical Sense. It's almost as if, by signing public statements in liberal organs like The Nation but voting for a corporatist anyway, they're washing their hands of the possible consequences - "see, I signed the big letter on July 31, I did my part!"

No, doing one's part means complaining, pressuring, and voting for the candidate who most closely espouses your values and ideals. It's also extremely helpful, and this should be plainly obvious, for a person to not effectively publicly guarantee their vote to a particular candidate until they step into the voting booth, waiting to judge all that candidate's behavior.

Imploring, as we see here in this Nation letter, has its place. But it MUST be backed up with a stick.

To bring change (of any sort) Senator Obama must get elected. In-your-face petitions in the NATION signed by Moustafa Bayoumi, Gore Vidal, Phil Donahue, and Tom Hayden are going to be VERY helpful in this regard; no doubt about it.

These upstanding individuals would do far more to advance their cause by joining fundraising efforts to help Obama's team combat McCain's incredibly vicious and negative Swiftboat-style advertising campaign. If it seems bad now, wait till the real Swiftboat groups with their unlimited budgets swing into action in the near future. Also, the petition signbers could urge Obama to enlist Clinton's supporters by putting Hillary on his ticket. Rather than being intimidated by their achievements and know-how, he should welcome Hillary's (and Bill's) contributions toward the common cause. (And yes, the petition does a good job of summarizing the principles that unite all true progressives -- I for one don't need them all neatly bullet-pointed for O'reilly's and Hannity's convenience.)

If Barak Obama is too small to extend his hand to the strongest most successful woman in American political history, I will only grudgingly cast my vote for him in November. And I will make no further monetary contributions to his campaign.

As for all you Nader-istas ... dream on folks. As nauseated as I get when I remember the role your ilk played in the creating the GWB presidency, I guess it's better not to have you on the Obama Express after all. There will be that much less reason to pay attention to your ranting and whining in the future.

We need an Obama win. The struggle to use the opening which that win would create, the struggle over the post-election national agenda, begins now. Nader is part of that struggle, as is the Nation. And, I might add, as are McKinney and the Green Party.

One possible strategy in the struggle to stop the war machine is to support Nader, to help give him a platform from which to speak the truth to the people. So long as he is not running a campaign against Obama, that does not make of him or his supporters closet McCain enablers. Another strategy is to support Obama critically while rallying people to demand that he deliver on his original platform. That does not make of signers of the Nation letter sell-outs or enemy agents! The question, whether one sees it clearly or not, is which side are you on, the peoples' side or the side of the Empire. Right now the peoples' side needs an Obama win, without illusions and without letting Obama's corporate backers seize our agenda.

I recently listened to Nader's campaign speech to his supporters. Nader differentiates himself from Obama, but levels his main fire against McCain and Bush. He clearly enunciates his belief that every vote he wins will be matched by many more he inspires to turn out and vote for Obama to stop McCain. Nader plainly would have no trouble signing the Nation letter to Obama, if that wouldn't be used against him. He is one of us, a voice for the people.

Obama on the other hand is a politician, playing for support from both the people and the "realists" among the corporate elite. As such he is a part of the field on which we are playing, like a chess piece that both sides are trying to move. His victory or defeat will change the rules of the game a bit. An important bit though, at a critical moment in our history.

So save your vitriol for McCain, Bush and Cheney, and lay off these attacks on each other. We're going to need each other!

ps Nanny, I don't completely agree with you, but you rock! Don't let anyone grind you down!

It is a bit naive that Obama is going to do anything but placate his financiers. Face it, he sold out you and me to the corporations that fund his campaign. Like all con artists, he has a pleasing smile and a reassuring voice. Vote Nader!

kokuaguy,
you are nauseated for no reason.

"over 200,000 registered Democrats did not vote for Al Gore in Florida alone. What's more, another 600,000 registered Democrats in Florida did not vote at all."
sun-sentinel 5/17/08

It stinks of TRDs here.

TRD - Tricky Republican Devils

Change We Can Believe In?

America's lie based government has shattered any hope of trust, it is never to be believed in again.

Chris Horton I like your post. People with common interests who let themselves be divided are easy pickings for a disciplined enemy.