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CAIRO - For decades, the U.S. has jealously guarded its role of sole arbiter of the Arab-Israeli dispute. In light of recent shows of support for Israel by U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama, however, many Arabs fear that Zionist influence on the U.S. body politic -- across the political spectrum -- has made the notion of 'U.S. even-handedness' a contradiction in terms.
"When it comes to the Middle East conflict, the Arabs no longer see any difference between Republicans and Democrats," Ahmed Thabet, political science professor at Cairo University told IPS. "Both parties vie with one another in expressing total support for Israel."
In a speech before Israeli parliament in May, U.S. President George W. Bush went further than any of his predecessors in voicing praise for the self-proclaimed Jewish state. Referring to Israelis as a "chosen people", Bush pledged Washington's unwavering support against Israel's traditional nemeses, including Iran and resistance parties Hamas and Hezbollah.
In statements heavy on "Judeo-Christian" religious references, Bush went on to describe Washington's alliance with Israel as "unbreakable".
Similar sentiments have been echoed by Bush's would be Republican successor, Senator John McCain, who has also pledged "eternal" U.S. support for Israel.
"Israel and the U.S. must always stand together," McCain declared before the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in early June. "We are the most natural of allies. And, like Israel itself, that alliance is for ever."
Calling Israel "an inspiration to free nations everywhere," McCain barely addressed longstanding Palestinian aspirations for statehood. Like Bush, he denounced regional actors opposed to Israel's occupation of Arab land, referring to Hamas as "the terrorist-led group in charge of Gaza."
Neither Bush nor McCain so much as mention -- let alone criticise -- Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinian populations in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. This treatment includes frequent military assaults often targeting civilians, the use of 'targeted assassinations', the ongoing siege of the Gaza Strip (which has brought that territory to the brink of starvation), continued construction of Jewish-only settlements on occupied Palestinian land, and the forced removal of non-Jewish, Arab inhabitants from the city of Jerusalem.
Arab analysts, meanwhile, express little surprise at such blatant pro-Israel bias, coming as it does from a political party thoroughly influenced by the so-called "neo-conservative" movement, of which Israeli ascendancy is a central tenet.
More disturbing to Arab critics of U.S. policy is the fact that Democratic presidential contenders have shown just as much zeal for Israeli supremacy as their Republican rivals.
In his own speech to AIPAC in early June, Obama stressed the need for a "more nuanced" approach to U.S. Middle East peacemaking. He stunned many, however, when he went on to state that Jerusalem would "remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."
Although Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967, its claim to the city has never been recognised by the international community. Officially, the status of Jerusalem -- which Palestinians also want as capital of their future state -- is supposed to be determined in long-awaited "final status" negotiations.
Obama again disappointed Arabs by reiterating his overt support for Israel during a two-day visit to the Hebrew nation last week.
"I'm here...to reaffirm the special relationship between Israel and the U.S. and my abiding commitment to Israel's security," Obama told Israeli President Shimon Peres Jul. 23. Later, he told Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of his "unshakeable commitment to Israel's security."
Obama went on to repeat his earlier statement that Jerusalem "will be" the capital of Israel, although he added that the issue should ultimately be decided in negotiations. He also backed Israel's refusal to negotiate with Hamas, which has governed the Gaza Strip for more than one year after winning legislative elections in early 2006.
While in Jerusalem, Obama visited the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, and the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, where he laid a commemorative wreath. He also visited the southern Israeli town Sderot, the occasional target of short-range rockets from the Gaza Strip, where he reaffirmed his support for Israel's right to defend itself "against those who threaten its people."
By contrast, Obama spent less than one hour in discussions with Palestinian Authority (PA) officials -- PA President Mahmoud Abbas and PM Salam Fayyad -- in the West Bank. Not surprisingly, he did not meet with any Hamas representatives.
Obama's blatant obeisance to Israel, despite an electoral campaign promising voters "change we can believe in," has led many Arabs to despair of the notion of unbiased arbitration by Washington -- under the leadership of either candidate.
"Obama paid his respects to dozens of Israeli victims in Sderot while neglecting to mention the thousands of recent Palestinian victims of Israeli violence," said Thabet. "How can anyone expect him to be even-handed on the issue when he becomes president?"
According to Abdel-Halim Kandil, political analyst and editor-in-chief of independent weekly Sout al-Umma, neo-conservative ideology "is not exclusive to the Republicans, but permeates both political parties" in the U.S.
"When it comes to Israel, there's virtually no difference in Republican and Democratic party policies," Kandil told IPS. "The Democratic administration of (former U.S. president Bill) Clinton, for example, consisted of even more Jewish Zionists -- including the defence secretary (William Cohen), the secretary of state (Madeleine Albright) and the national security advisor (Samuel Berger) -- than the current Republican Bush administration.
"These people occupy most of the top political and military positions throughout the American political system," added Kandil. "Anyone who thinks Washington can serve as a fair mediator in the Israel-Palestine conflict -- under Republicans or Democrats -- is delusional."
Kandil said the chief neo-conservative objectives are "securing Israel's presence in the Middle East, the return of the Jews to Israel, and the eventual construction of the Jewish temple on the site where the al-Aqsa mosque now stands."
According to Thabet, the neo-conservatives in Washington have exploited U.S. military might to neutralise regional opposition -- mainly of the Islamic variety -- to Israel.
"They have used U.S. military force to spread their version of 'democracy', which excludes all forms of political Islam -- be it Lebanon's Hezbollah, Hamas in Palestine or the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood," said Thabet.
Some local observers suggest that the neo-conservatives in the current Bush administration, many of whom hold dual U.S.-Israel citizenship, are more beholden to Israel than to the U.S.
"These people have a greater attachment to Israel and world Zionism than they do to the U.S.," Magdi Hussein, secretary-general of Egypt's Labour Party, frozen by the government since 2000, told IPS. "But they have tried hard to convince the American public that U.S. and Israeli interests are one and the same."
Arab analysts further note that the neo-conservative influence extends beyond the U.S. political system and into western 'mainstream' media.
"The Zionist lobby can make or break any would-be presidential candidate," said Hussein. "This isn't due to its large voting numbers, but to its enormous influence on the media -- both in the U.S. and in Western Europe."
According to Thabet, the "Zionist influence" on the U.S. media has grown dramatically since the early 1980s. "Since then, neo-conservative elements have bought up many important American media institutions, including major news outlets," he said.
"This, along with the establishment of numerous 'research centres' and 'think-tanks', has been their primary means of promoting the neo-conservative agenda in the U.S.," Thabet added.
Kandil says most Arab governments -- in contrast to the people they represent -- are in any case not particularly interested in even-handed U.S. arbitration of the conflict.
"The Arab regimes don't look to Washington as a fair mediator -- they look to Washington to keep them in power, despite their lack of legitimacy and popularity," said Kandil. "The Israel-Palestine dispute can only reach a just resolution when the Arabs choose leaders able and willing to carry out the popular will."
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show AllWhen it comes sucking up to AIPAC, the candidates believe the Arabs are expendable.
And they ask "why do they hate us?"............
The two authors get to the heart of the matter at the end of the piece, the dearth of quality leadership in much of the Arab world. Thus it is no surprise that Hamas and Hezbollah are as popular as they are because of the social services they provide in place of a dysfunctional state. Ultimately though, until the Arabs join the 21st century politically, culturally, and scientifically, they will always remain at least a step behind and continue to wonder why they are no longer in the Golden Age of Islam (700 - 1300 AD).
One more reason to elect an Arab-American president.
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If Arabs want power over the Zionists, they could start buying up the US instead of building artificial ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands for billionaires.
The Arabs are right. Strange as it may seem, a group representing about 3% of the US population totally controls and runs this country. How did that happen in the land of the free and the brave?? Many, many ways. First, you must realize that the billionaires who run Wall St and own, or control, or run, 90% (+) of the media outlets in America are Jews. Likewise, Jews run the Federal Reserve Bank. So, when it comes to the nation of Israel, these all powerful Jews crack the whip on the US Congress, and fill up a vastly disproportionate amount of political appointee slots in both Rep and Dem administrations. All this enables
the supporters of Israel to further ingrain the false idea that Israel is important to the USA. That leads to events like the unnecessary war of choice in Iraq, and the threat of a war on Iran, and the never ending flow of money to Israel when America is in a fiscal crisis. Whining, racist criminal bigots have gained the upper hand. America no longer operates for the benefit of its native citizens. But, there is some chance that, after the next terrorist
false flag attack on the USA by Mossad, Americans will start to come to their senses. Become INFORMED!! Google
the USS Liberty, Jack Bernstein, Harold Rosenthal, Benjamin Freedman (Freidman), UN Security Council resolutions violated by Israel, Ariel Sharon, Sabra and Shatilla. The information to reveal the truth to you is right here on the internet from unbiased sources. Just the truth. Here is an example: Google Solomon Morel, a true war criminal who Israel will not extradite to Poland to be tried for his crimes. Yet, the Israelis think they can run amuck in the world and claim the right to extradite anyone. This is not about Nazis, Hitler, Christianity, or anything else. It
is about the rule of law and basic common decency and fair play. For the present time in America, YOU are owned lock, stock, and barrel by Ashkenazi Khazars who have no connection to Palestine. These are the same people as Radek, Sverdlov, Kaminev, Yagoda and Kaganovich and Trotsky.
the whole aipac, us and israel thing has been discussed forever in the blogspot and it has been, at times, anti-israeli, rarely anti arab
which is about right
now who is wagging who
who knows
it seems hard to believe that israel could wag the us but when one sees how many of the neocons and bushco enjoy dual citizenry between the us and israel - one can only wonder
but israel's status as project number one is beyond question or doubt
who cares - the american death machine in action - militarize and then destroy all semblance of humanity
pure hatred from the us that transcends politics and strategy and shoots right into what it is at its heart - hatred of all life
america is a fuck up of historic proportion and it is run by chicken shit chicken hawks who, themselves, have never served a day (in bush's case he was awol and should be in jail) but nonetheless see no problems with sending in other people's children into war zones to be blown apart or killed, even as they cut back funding for services required for their injuries
it is a bitter joke that is not remotely funny that the americans see themselves as the arbiter of this genocide in palestine
it is another unfunny joke that the un is situated in the world's largest (some could argue only) terrorist nation
the world may just be getting to the point where the american death fatigue may boil over
the world is sick of all the death and destruction
the americans want to kill everyone
in this they are alone, with the possible exception of their yiddish goyums
the world should insist that the us close its bases around the world and stop funding terror
the world media should expose the american death merchants daily
bush ranks right up there with hitler and stalin and suharto
the world should sell their us dollars and embargo the sickness that is the united states of fascist america
before they destroy the world
AIPAC has got it's claws embedded deep into the American political machine. It's only real influence appears to be money. Since so many of our political leaders are greedy to the point of obsession, it's obvious why they rally to this AIPAC disease.
America is for sale folks. We'll support whatever cause pays the highest. Our Constitution is meaningless unless somebody pays us enough to care about it.
I'm not an Israeli and I'm not an Iranian. Neither side pays me anything so I can pick whoever I want to win. I hope Iran blows Israel to the stone age. Screw AIPAC!
Anti-Arab racism?
Everyone knows U.S. politicans are biased towards Israel and can't get elected president unless they suck up to Israel/AIPAC. Why not just declare Israel the most powerful nation on earth, and the U.S second since Israel calls all the shots.
To add insult to injury, American taxpayers pay for Israelis' free health care while tens of thousands of people in the U.S. go without health coverage and some die because of it.
It appears we don't count.
One is forced to deep admiration of the Palestinians who for the most part remain "cool" over three generations of intolerable provocations by Israel, and it keeps getting worse as Israel rushes now to build yet more settlements so the West Bank will be cut in two. The pictures of deceit, trickery, robbery, murder, torment, torture, insult in the B'tselem videos provvide an appalling portrait of Israelis, particularly the settlers, and their so-called democracy, so appalling one can hope that the moderate Jewish voices will rise up even louder and be heard as they are beginning to be heard in the US!
The willful play-ignorance of the both presidential candidates as to what is going on in the territories is obscene! The silence of the Europeans is obscene.
Nobody threatens the security of Israel more than the Israelis themselves, particularly the Zionist extreme right and the settlers, refusals to obey even Israeli court orders to move their horrible "security wall," refusals to conform to UN resolutions which would never be tolerated if it were Ian Arab country. Such rot cannot prevail! But they sure do cause an awful lot of death, starvation, torment meanwhile.
It's probably past time too to consider legislation in the US restricting dual nationals from taking high offices unless they renounce the other nationality.
The United States has only one political party, not two. And this political party is not really a political party but an organized and, if necessary, violent embezzlement scheme in which the center/right faction, aka the Democrats, are considered left wing because they will sweep the crumbs off the table and let you lick them off the floor which is covered with every known virus and bacteria known to mankind. Many thanks for your generosity. In lieu of anyone actually cleaning the floor, I'd prefer a bottle of Purell.
The Israelis are 'solving' their Arab problem by killing one Arab child at a time. It's the Jews 'final' solution, remember!
Both candidates approve this slaughter, er, 'security' measures...
Well put, Mordechai Shiblikov!!
Farheen Hakeem is a muslim woman running for state representative in Minnesota under the Green Party. She has incredible energy and is a very engaging speaker.
The Democrats tried to recruit her away from the Green Party, but she refused them.
http://www.farheenhakeem.org/
Green Videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/GreenProgress
Not only are the Republicrat candidates disappointing on the Palestinian grievances, they are also disappointing on gay marriages and gay parents, medical marijuana and letting the phone companies off the hook for illegal wiretapping. I'm for Bog=b Barr but I like Nader second.
The dems cave, and i'm willing to give them the chance that if they have both congress and the oval office, they won't have anyone to cave to. Might not work, but mccain will be the same as the last 2 years. Slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
But in regards to israel, i don't think anyone is going to risk losing the jewish vote. Obama and clinton proved that. I doubt that's just pandering if he wants a second term.
Too bad we can't reelect Carter.
The British press however does often portray these matters much like you see here on CD. One can only hope Europe picks up the slack on this, because i have little faith that the US will play a role in the fairness of the situation.
this isn't surprising, as it confirms my own experience travelling across europe a few years ago: almost everybody in the world, it seemed, knew more about what was happening in the u.s. than u.s. citizens (most speak better english as well).
perhaps some slack is called for, since we live, practically marinating, in the most media-saturated society the world has ever seen.
corporate-owned media, whose interlocking directorships and subsidiary interests profit directly from war, manufacture on a daily basis an impenetrable fog of fear to keep the public purse open (that flesh-and-blood people die every day as a result doesn't affect their calculations).
but we're running out of time and excuses. we who call ourselves "progressives" owe it to ourselves, our posterity and our planet to "educate, agitate and organize" our truth-challenged peers before this small window of opportunity called the internet is closed down. use it or lose it.
obama=mccain. D=R. everybody everywhere knows it---except here.
"Strange as it may seem, a group representing about 3% of the US population totally controls and runs this country"
No, this isn't true. The US is controlled almost entirely by Christians.
As far as there being any kind of "slaughter" in Palestine, actually, no, the conflict there is one of the least violent in world history. If you judged the conflicts in the world in the last 50 years by the number of casualties the Israeli-Palestinian war wouldn't even make the list.
The "ARABS" don't understand what is required to win an election in America. And they wouldn't, because most of them don't HAVE elections except between which brand of Islam shall be followed.
AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM? they have only been betrayed time and again by administration after administration who claims to have peaceful intentions; but as soon as more jews start settling in arab lands, and building walls around these illegal encampments, and sending troops in to protect them from the justified backlash. AMERICAN foreign policy is two tiered, the top tier gets all the money and support needed to further oppression and suffering, and the bottom tier gets roadblocks and walls and a few scraps and bread crumbs to make them accept it without resistence...
The middle east has far better coverage of the US election as it pertains to foreign policy than the US does itself. They also see day to day the effects of the US government's support for the dictatorships and occupations. They like Obama the way people liked Bush when he was promising things kinder and gentler. They have not heard from the anti-war politicians in America so they can't be expected to give an opinion.
The US has NEVER been an honest broker is this conflict.
http://www.ncusar.org/publications/Publications/2008-06-20-War-with-Iran-Reactions-and-Requirements.pdf
One more nail get hammered into the black coffin labeled "HOPE 2008"
We read article, after article painting a sad and sorry picture of Obama as someone ever-eager to be in the good graces of the powerful establishment not one standing with the oppressed.
The same DPAs pop up article after article, doing their desperate best to somehow grin, spin, and conclude: "Vote for Obama!"
In this case they lamely try and refute the author by blaming the Palestinian victims who "are building artificial ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands for billionaires." Or as DD says, "The "ARABS" don't understand what is required to win an election in America."
Never mind what the articles actually say, that doesn't matter because to them the conclusion is foregone, "Obama will save us!"
Dan,
These Arabs do understand what it takes to get elected in America and that is don't cross the Zionist Israel lobby.... and anyway I think there are many Zionists who know an attack on Iran is suicidal.
In other words the author is saying in other words that Obama is doin what he has to do to stop McCain... the Bush legacy will be Hero status under the "winner of wars" McCain!
I mean he was bombing people in the city of Hanoi when he was shot down wasn't he?
Why should Arab people see a difference in Dims and Repugs? There is no difference.
Funny how when you live in the part of the world where all the bombs are going off, they see this much more clearly than many here in the states.
The point I always seem to come back to is that Clinton killed a million Iraqis, and Bush has killed a million Iraqis. The only difference is that they used different methods. But, if you are the one burying loved ones, its probably pretty hard to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
If both Democrats and Republicans are going to kow-tow the Zionist lobby, and do so in opposition of about 60% of Americans who want a just peace settlement in the region, its very hard to believe that anyone who isn't a zionist is going to look a the Democrats and see anything different than a Republican with a (D) after their name.
The 'you can't get elected' if you don't kow-tow to Israel is basically more propaganda from the Democrats trying to explain away their awful, hateful, pro-war positions. It is not supported by poll data. Poll data rather steadily shows that about 60% of the people here would favor a just two-state solution with basically the 1967 borders.
But this is the position the Democrats reject so they can support Israeli crimes and wars.
You see this across the spectrum. The candidates and leaders the Democratic party puts forward are very far to the right of the electorate as a whole, and incredibly far to the right of the members of their party.
The problem the Democrats have is constantly trying to explain this away and getting the base of their party to support awful, evil positions that are far different from what their voters really want.
Anytime you see one thought repeated over and over and over the way the 'can't get elected' one is in this thread, it should be questioned and closely examined. Especially one that is presented like this one with no supporting data. When something is told you as a given that you are just supposed to accept, the first thing you should do is reject it and question it.
Usually it turns out to be just more bull from the Democrats, to add to their Mount Rushmore size pile of bull that they've already thrown at us.
The only reason the Democrats are dependent on AIPAC ( and the 50 or so other registered zionist lobby groups) is that they sold the soul of their party some time ago.
The Democrats used to be based on grassroots participation. The classic Dem v Repub campaign when I was growing up was a contest between Republicans with lots of money veruss Democrats with lots of people support. So it was Republican money versus union phone banks and door-to-door campaigns.
The change is that the Democrats sold the soul of their party and decided to make their party look just like the Republicans. So, now the Democrats out-fund raise the Republicans (Obama $350 mil, McCain $130mil) regularly. Just the specter of a Republican taking public financing and criticizing the Dem for not should just scream what a different party this is today.
Meanwhile, the Dems regularly tell their popular base to go stuff themselves. Since the interests of the members of the party and of the fools who continue to vote Democrat are very different from those of their rich contributors, and since the Dems have built their media-and-consultant based campaigns on the money from rich contributors, they regularly screw their base. How many times have we seen that since the 2006 elections? So many I can't count any more. The FISA bill was only just the latest in a very long line.
So, what the Dems are really saying is that since they only care what their rich contributors think, and since they rely on that money in their campaigns, that's why they say they "can't get elected" without basically pledging the policy of this country to be tied to what's good for Israel.
If the Dems were really to run grassroots campaigns that were less dependent on money, then they wouldn't have to do this. But, the one thing the modern Dems absolutely hate is a grassroots campaign. When one appears in their primaries, the Dems do everything possible to kill it off. And when one appears as a third party challenging the Dems reliance and subserviance to money, that's when you see the true venom and hatred of the Democrats.
This is the Obama position that really got to me (or at least the latest)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005286.html
"Obama reportedly told Olmert that he is interested in meeting the Iranians in order to issue clear ultimatums. "If after that, they still show no willingness to change their nuclear policy, then any action against them would be legitimate," an Israeli source quoted him as saying"
Note very carefully that he's promising to basically follow the Bush policy. He's promising to 'negotiate' just like Bush. That is to issue ultimatums, and to do this basically as a prelude to military strikes. This is exactly the same 'diplomacy' that Bush uses.
Note also that he is basically promising that if Bush doesn't strike Iran before his term ends, then Obama will pick up the same policy and continue it.
Is it any surprise that the Arabs don't see any difference if Obama gets elected?
""When it comes to the Middle East conflict, the Arabs no longer see any difference between Republicans and Democrats,"
Was there ever a difference?
Both parties are a disgrace and their blind support of Israel borders on treason.
WHY NOT JUST SAY IT.......
A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR MIDDLE EAST PEACE !!!!
We should all (Americans) be sick of the two-state (I mean political-party (non) solution!!!
God knows I am!!!
voting Nader in '08
Its not only the Arabs but the Persians, Kurds, Afghans and other ethnic groups in the Middle East...me thinks the title needs to change.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE POLITICAL PARTY: THE REPUBLICANS
The Republican Party is really the party we have. The Republicans have inserted "Blue Dogs" into the Democratic Party with the consent of the Democratic leadership. The Blue Dogs are actually an extension of the Republicans.
The Republicans are so smart, they actually control both parties. Pelosi, the Democrat's leader is actually a Republican. That is the reason she has protected Bush from impeachment. Why would the Democrats impeach their leader?
It has become really obvious to me, from Clinton on, I started to catch on. Prior to Clinton I really thought there was a difference. The PTB ( powers that be) aren't dumb, they have lined both their pockets, both are compromised.
We really only have one political party in this country. The DPAs can say otherwise but that is because there are intellectually and mentally challenged. It SO OBVIOUS, notice that it really doesn't matter who becomes president, the wars/occupations will continue. Notice it doesn't matter who controls the Congress, the sell out of our civil liberties will continue. I can't help but sneer at the DPAs as Dave Lindorff pointed out he doesn't.
How can you not not sneer at the cretins still supporting the Democrats?
Nice job Samson. Screw all the God-damned Democrats and their compromised and cowardly leaders Pelosi and Obama! Vote McKinney, Nader or 3rd party! Send them all to Hell! I sure will.
much of the criticism that the article cites makes it seem as if there is a sort of Jewish/Zionist conspiracy among the top levels of the US government. that doesn't seem all that realistic. if that were the case, iran would have been bombed by now. rather, the US supports Israel's occupation and wants it to stay militarized for its own strategic interests. Take the current situation: The US, I think, realizes that an attack on Iran would provoke consequences that would be far more damaging, though unpredictable, than having Iran as a nuclear armed power would be. Israel desperately wants the US to do its dirty work vis-a-vis Iran. Israel does not control American foreign policy.
I feel sorry for Arabs as both O and Mc are run by AIPAC. NO CHANGE IN NOV FOLKS
Lapaz000, I would discount the Jewish bit, but substitute Zionist/US, where maybe, the Zionists do not quite control the ultimate power, but are close to doing so. I think the US still realise that Iran is a very powerful state, among others who simply "follow orders". Although Iran does not have the technological ability to defeat Israel or the US in a war, it is still a formidable country to conquer. It is not a divided country like Afghanistan or Iraq, but a very proud nation, aware of it's past, and the interference of Western powers. An attack on Iran would unite all parties against the West, and would guarantee a response very different to past conflicts.
As the original article highlights, Iran stands against the oppression of the Muslim World, at the level of ordinary Muslims - forget about the leaders of Arab dictatorships, they are puppets of the West, much like the Shah and Sadaam.
biwee is right. We are like the Mayans, dazzled and stupified by the Spaniards who firstly, divided them and then murdered them in droves..then enslaved them for 400 years, leaving a cult which explained that it was "God'will" Since our country is for sale, then those who buy it will get their way, even contracts to sabotage us with zionist-controlled data mining and spy hardware/software companies.
Jeff Halper, American Israeli, founder and coordinator of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions told me during one of my five trips to Israel and occupied Palestine since June 2005:
"Tony Blair said 70% of all the conflicts in the world can be traced back to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. What gives us hope is that as this conflict worsens maybe Europe will figure out that American policies are against their interests and intervene...This conflict impacts the global community and especially everyone in the USA.
"If we do fix this conflict it would be a tremendous step forward in global reconciliation.
"This whole issue is based on Human Rights and it is a global issue requiring global intervention.
"I don't want to depress you too much but the issue of the occupation is a global issue that transcends boundaries and Israel Palestine impacts all global realities.
"We have a country created by the UN and supported by the USA that has a brutal occupation while International Law defines occupation as a temporary situation.
"When you incorporate occupied territories, highways, settlements and use resources it is all illegal according to the Fourth Geneva Convention which states the status quo must be retained so that negotiations can happen.
"Unilateral actions are illegal. The occupying power is responsible for those under its control.
"Israel is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy: full rights to Jews, but not Palestinians."
Eileen Fleming, Reporter and Editor WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu"
I assure you, AndyUK, when Obama comes to power, nothing in the US policy vis-a-vis Israel is going to change. It just gets progressively worse as the US bends to the will of Israel's occupation policies. That doesn't mean that Zionists hold a lot of power in the US. You are arguing that the tail wags the dog.
Also,Iran doesn't stand against oppression in the Muslim world. The Iranian govermnent is a backward oppressive theocracy. How can a government stand up against oppression abroad and oppress its own population at the same time? Iran supported the US invasion of Afghanistan. Afghans have suffered greatly as a result of that. It isn't the US, of course, meaning that it doesn't just invade countries to try to control their resources. But that doesn't mean that it stands against oppression.
Show me how Israel controls almost the "ultimate power" AndyUK.
My point that if Israel had the power in the US establishment that you says it does, Iran would have already been bombed wasn't addressed by you.
Right on MikeP You are correct.
Hey guess what dogs? I am getting ready to go with my girlfriend to meet.................................yea, you guessed it buddy- Vincent Bugliosi! THE MAN himself is signing books in Pasadena CA. Guess what hosers? Yea buddy I will have my very own copy of Vincent Bugliosi's "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder ISBN 978-159315-481-3(2008)" signed by none other than Vincent Bugliosi!
I know you dogs are jealous. Aren't you? Kiss my butt!
Little Brother July 31st, 2008 12:11 pm
"ARABS DESPAIR OF BOTH MAJOR US POLITICAL PARTIES
Well, get in line!"
My first thought was, "join the club"!
Jealous ~Tailcap~? You're joking,____ right?
No 1. Israel has cruicified The Christ, only begotten son of our Creator, because of that it became the Cursed nation. Irael does not accept the Only Begotten Son of the Creator and will always be known as the Wandering Jew without a country. The Jews kept on trying to rob Palestine of its rightfull land. There is No blessing for Israel, they will not repent.
'Bush went on to describe Washington's alliance with Israel as "unbreakable".'
The puppet strings are stronger than the bones of this one.
Wonder if Israel could ever do anything repugnant enough to create sanction from the US? As for the "news" that anyone fails to see a difference between dems and repugs, it really would be beyond belief if they DID still think there was a difference!
"Some local observers suggest that the neo-conservatives in the current Bush administration, many of whom hold dual U.S.-Israel citizenship, are more beholden to Israel than to the U.S."
I thought duel citizenship wasn't allowed in the States? I guess only for its pet favourite, Israel.
It's interesting that Jews were persecuted throughout history, esp. in the age of Nazi Germany. One would think that from this Israel would KNOW how horrible that is and wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else. Well, I guess Israel uses a different sense of "logic" - the "revenge on humanity" sort. Too many Disney movies I suppose.