Arabs Despair of US Even More
CAIRO - For decades, the U.S. has jealously guarded its role of sole arbiter of the Arab-Israeli dispute. In light of recent shows of support for Israel by U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama, however, many Arabs fear that Zionist influence on the U.S. body politic -- across the political spectrum -- has made the notion of 'U.S. even-handedness' a contradiction in terms.
"When it comes to the Middle East conflict, the Arabs no longer see any difference between Republicans and Democrats," Ahmed Thabet, political science professor at Cairo University told IPS. "Both parties vie with one another in expressing total support for Israel."
In a speech before Israeli parliament in May, U.S. President George W. Bush went further than any of his predecessors in voicing praise for the self-proclaimed Jewish state. Referring to Israelis as a "chosen people", Bush pledged Washington's unwavering support against Israel's traditional nemeses, including Iran and resistance parties Hamas and Hezbollah.
In statements heavy on "Judeo-Christian" religious references, Bush went on to describe Washington's alliance with Israel as "unbreakable".
Similar sentiments have been echoed by Bush's would be Republican successor, Senator John McCain, who has also pledged "eternal" U.S. support for Israel.
"Israel and the U.S. must always stand together," McCain declared before the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in early June. "We are the most natural of allies. And, like Israel itself, that alliance is for ever."
Calling Israel "an inspiration to free nations everywhere," McCain barely addressed longstanding Palestinian aspirations for statehood. Like Bush, he denounced regional actors opposed to Israel's occupation of Arab land, referring to Hamas as "the terrorist-led group in charge of Gaza."
Neither Bush nor McCain so much as mention -- let alone criticise -- Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinian populations in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. This treatment includes frequent military assaults often targeting civilians, the use of 'targeted assassinations', the ongoing siege of the Gaza Strip (which has brought that territory to the brink of starvation), continued construction of Jewish-only settlements on occupied Palestinian land, and the forced removal of non-Jewish, Arab inhabitants from the city of Jerusalem.
Arab analysts, meanwhile, express little surprise at such blatant pro-Israel bias, coming as it does from a political party thoroughly influenced by the so-called "neo-conservative" movement, of which Israeli ascendancy is a central tenet.
More disturbing to Arab critics of U.S. policy is the fact that Democratic presidential contenders have shown just as much zeal for Israeli supremacy as their Republican rivals.
In his own speech to AIPAC in early June, Obama stressed the need for a "more nuanced" approach to U.S. Middle East peacemaking. He stunned many, however, when he went on to state that Jerusalem would "remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."
Although Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967, its claim to the city has never been recognised by the international community. Officially, the status of Jerusalem -- which Palestinians also want as capital of their future state -- is supposed to be determined in long-awaited "final status" negotiations.
Obama again disappointed Arabs by reiterating his overt support for Israel during a two-day visit to the Hebrew nation last week.
"I'm here...to reaffirm the special relationship between Israel and the U.S. and my abiding commitment to Israel's security," Obama told Israeli President Shimon Peres Jul. 23. Later, he told Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of his "unshakeable commitment to Israel's security."
Obama went on to repeat his earlier statement that Jerusalem "will be" the capital of Israel, although he added that the issue should ultimately be decided in negotiations. He also backed Israel's refusal to negotiate with Hamas, which has governed the Gaza Strip for more than one year after winning legislative elections in early 2006.
While in Jerusalem, Obama visited the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, and the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, where he laid a commemorative wreath. He also visited the southern Israeli town Sderot, the occasional target of short-range rockets from the Gaza Strip, where he reaffirmed his support for Israel's right to defend itself "against those who threaten its people."
By contrast, Obama spent less than one hour in discussions with Palestinian Authority (PA) officials -- PA President Mahmoud Abbas and PM Salam Fayyad -- in the West Bank. Not surprisingly, he did not meet with any Hamas representatives.
Obama's blatant obeisance to Israel, despite an electoral campaign promising voters "change we can believe in," has led many Arabs to despair of the notion of unbiased arbitration by Washington -- under the leadership of either candidate.
"Obama paid his respects to dozens of Israeli victims in Sderot while neglecting to mention the thousands of recent Palestinian victims of Israeli violence," said Thabet. "How can anyone expect him to be even-handed on the issue when he becomes president?"
According to Abdel-Halim Kandil, political analyst and editor-in-chief of independent weekly Sout al-Umma, neo-conservative ideology "is not exclusive to the Republicans, but permeates both political parties" in the U.S.
"When it comes to Israel, there's virtually no difference in Republican and Democratic party policies," Kandil told IPS. "The Democratic administration of (former U.S. president Bill) Clinton, for example, consisted of even more Jewish Zionists -- including the defence secretary (William Cohen), the secretary of state (Madeleine Albright) and the national security advisor (Samuel Berger) -- than the current Republican Bush administration.
"These people occupy most of the top political and military positions throughout the American political system," added Kandil. "Anyone who thinks Washington can serve as a fair mediator in the Israel-Palestine conflict -- under Republicans or Democrats -- is delusional."
Kandil said the chief neo-conservative objectives are "securing Israel's presence in the Middle East, the return of the Jews to Israel, and the eventual construction of the Jewish temple on the site where the al-Aqsa mosque now stands."
According to Thabet, the neo-conservatives in Washington have exploited U.S. military might to neutralise regional opposition -- mainly of the Islamic variety -- to Israel.
"They have used U.S. military force to spread their version of 'democracy', which excludes all forms of political Islam -- be it Lebanon's Hezbollah, Hamas in Palestine or the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood," said Thabet.
Some local observers suggest that the neo-conservatives in the current Bush administration, many of whom hold dual U.S.-Israel citizenship, are more beholden to Israel than to the U.S.
"These people have a greater attachment to Israel and world Zionism than they do to the U.S.," Magdi Hussein, secretary-general of Egypt's Labour Party, frozen by the government since 2000, told IPS. "But they have tried hard to convince the American public that U.S. and Israeli interests are one and the same."
Arab analysts further note that the neo-conservative influence extends beyond the U.S. political system and into western 'mainstream' media.
"The Zionist lobby can make or break any would-be presidential candidate," said Hussein. "This isn't due to its large voting numbers, but to its enormous influence on the media -- both in the U.S. and in Western Europe."
According to Thabet, the "Zionist influence" on the U.S. media has grown dramatically since the early 1980s. "Since then, neo-conservative elements have bought up many important American media institutions, including major news outlets," he said.
"This, along with the establishment of numerous 'research centres' and 'think-tanks', has been their primary means of promoting the neo-conservative agenda in the U.S.," Thabet added.
Kandil says most Arab governments -- in contrast to the people they represent -- are in any case not particularly interested in even-handed U.S. arbitration of the conflict.
"The Arab regimes don't look to Washington as a fair mediator -- they look to Washington to keep them in power, despite their lack of legitimacy and popularity," said Kandil. "The Israel-Palestine dispute can only reach a just resolution when the Arabs choose leaders able and willing to carry out the popular will."
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show AllGet real -- no third party is ever going to win or even get close. Nader is a Jew anyway and Israel wants more than anything in the world to have a US Jewish President. I think he is a wolf in sheep's clothing myself. I am glad he doesn't stand a chance.
The one interesting nuance is that the Jews don't trust Obama. Why? Do they think he will turncoat on them? I hope so.
To make myself clear -- I wish no harm to Israel. I just believe that as long as the US backs Israel, they will have no fear of anyone and will continue to hold out for what ever they want. On the other hand, if we said to them settle this thing once and for all -- or else you will lose our support. They would settle and it would be over.
Jim,
I truly believe your heart is in the right place. We have a fundamental difference on how we view 'democracy'. And as I have stated, people like yourself are not who the third parties should try and recruit. You have your views, which you strongly feel are correct, and nothing can change that; so be it.
But I will reiterate, are you for these ten key values?
1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPORTUNITY
3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
4. NON-VIOLENCE
5. DECENTRALIZATION
6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
10.FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Seriously, look over them. Take a pen or pencil and a piece of paper and write down some of your key values. Are they similar if not the same? If they are, I am not going to ask you to vote Green, but could you, would you at least support them financially? If you believe in those values, why not support something financially that reflects your values.
Consider it a gamble for a future party that will be one of the majors if not at least a loud voice in the cogs of corporate run politics/media/military industrial complex/public policy/etc/etc.
https://secure.democracyinaction.com/Greens/shop/custom.jsp?donate_page_KEY=26
I'm plugging the Green Party because I truly believe that much in it to dedicate a good portion of my life to a true movement. But take your finances to Nader or the Libertarians or whatever other party besides the Democrats and Republicans if your values more align with something else. And to let you know, I'm not demonizing all in the two party system. I truly believe that those two parties are beyond repair and too subservient to their corporate masters, but I do respect many in our government.
However, none compare to Cynthia McKinney ( including Kucinich and Paul ) because she had the guts to leave a dysfunctional party and embrace her dreams despite all the odds. She like many in the Green Party are idealists, but right now, we need idealists more than ever. I am speaking from the heart, and do not want to alienate you Jim, but rather work with you, even if we can not come to terms on some core beliefs. I say this with all sincerity, good luck.
Brian Wiley
Hey, who holds the middle east at bay with numerous nuclear missiles? There is no way that Bush or any other President can make a fortune in the middle east without the ok of Israel. If Palestine had as many nuclear weapons, then we would be pandering to the Arabs. What's eerie is not only does Israel have a monopoly on weapons of mass destruction, but they also hold influential posts in America.
Pelosi is more dangerous than McCain.
She could very well be.
OK folks i am sorry.
I can be the problem if it makes ya feel better....
but good things are happening so Cheer up, it could be worse!
Ok when you 3rd party suporters start being nice to progressive dems, I'll be nice.
Most of you admit that you want to drag this nation down further so that you think folks will see it your way,
OK I will be nice about that and your willingness to let McCain do his Bomb Iran thing with more neocon tricks and supreme court picks.
That is all fine with you apparently too
OK I'll just be nice about it and say good luck too.
Realistic progressives will win anyway, because you are so in denial of reality of the system you must demonize the Dems.
Cindy is a nice lady and brave, politically her problem is that she thinks Pelosi is more dangerous than McCain.
Good Luck
re Jim Glover August 1st, 2008 1:07 pm
Jim, Jim, Jim....same as it ever was must be your favorite song. Forget the Democrats and Republicans; they are lost in a mire of corporate interest, fear, and stagnation or rather regression.
You always talk of progressives, but your actually a regressive. I know these words will do nothing to change your mind, and that is my point.
The HOPE is with those that have never voted either out of apathy or many who refuse to follow along the path of imperialists. Not for you Jim, but for those previously mentioned, WE will vote our convictions, our dreams, our spirit, and even if short term defeat appears inevitable, the long term hopes will come a realty; they must if any of our world is to remain. How many hundreds of millions of lives if not billions will disappear will be greatly determined by people like yourself.
Sincerely, good luck.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GreenProgress
So far no one suggested that extremists on both sides are a problem, or that al Qaeda for one prefers bad US policy in it's effort to unite the Muslim World against the US.
Israel is pulling ie lobbying the US to be in favor of their policies at the same time bin Laden is pushing the US to do things Arabs don't like as it dreams of uniting the Muslim world into a total war against the US. Al Qaeda pressure for the US to do wrong has I believe been greatly underestimated. Then Majority Leader Bill Frist was going to call for detention reform after reviewing the additional Abu Ghraib photos Congress privately viewed. However, he was cut off the air by a news bulletin of Nick Berg being beheaded. The largest antiwar protest in England before the start of the Iraq war appeared very inspiring on TV until it was cut off the air by a terror attack, when it went back of the air it didn't seem inspiring anymore. Many didn't believe the war in Iraq was opposing terrorism until bin Laden went on the Internet and demanded Iraqi's not vote. Neocons and Israeli fanatics see al Qaeda as an opportunity to help them push for an assertive foreign policy, with the Armageddonist Christians providing the push to make it all happen.
Moussaoi during his 9/11 trial urged American's to adopt antisemitism, while the nonviolent rather than antisemitic antiwar movement gets beheaded, such as Doctors Without Borders Physicians in Afghanistan and Tom Fox a Quaker pacifist who went to Iraq to declare peace.
Both Bush and Obama could do better, but Bush could have been far worse. Meanwhile McCain dreams of returning the US to Grandeur. After 9/11 bin Laden got close to a total war between the US and the Muslim world. Muslims were attacked on the streets in the US and Palestinian kids were cheering 9/11. Instead, of bin Laden's dream of total war, Bush urged people not to deface Muslim business and later he and Colin Powell stopped al Qaeda's efforts to create war between India and Pakistan. And I have to admit the porpaganda plumb of claiming an al Qaeda leader falling off the stretcher to get away from the Americans, made the surge work. So now Bush wants to use al Qaeda renegades to attack Iraq, and of course earlier as soon as the al Qaeda danger was beginning to subside in Afghanistan, Bush invaded Iran. So the war against al Qaeda can't be won because as soon as they get weak those that think they are an opportunity in disguise gets control of US policy. Meanwhile the antiwar movement both the nonviolent and anti-Israeli parts of it, make al Qaeda's dream of total war a little closer every time they condemn the Saudis too hard.
See,
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=5163
" " capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/9660
" " phillyimc.org/en/node/71254
A somewhat similar arguement, " " fpif.org/fpiftxt/3961
this is too much.
all you DPAs have is blind faith, fear mongering and name calling. there's not a scrap of evidence for any of your assertions.
cindy sheehan a "loser?" well, yes, in a sense, since she lost her son casey to a war based on R lies and greed, and D cowardice and capitulation. but she, along with the others i listed and you smeared, are big winners for guts, smarts and integrity, which are all in woefully short supply among DPAs.
and us "scabs?" i hope the next person you call a "scab" kicks your semiliterate, one-note a$$ for you.
so go ahead and vote for your messiah du jour. when he fails you, don't say you weren't warned.
"Political scabs will inherit the blame at worst and not share in the victory at Best.
Enjoy trying to drive us in the ground for your pride!"
Man, talk about projection. You accuse other people of being self-righteous but your posts drip with childish name-calling, self-righteousness and condescension. I don't understand why being nasty is so important to you, but it is a sign of your great emotional immaturity.
gryphon,
Right on! Holding my nose and voting in years gone by actually led to me voting for Joe Lieberman. That's the thought I hold on to when I start to be persuaded to pick the lesser of two evils, so that the most evil won't win.
I live in a state with so few electoral votes I can afford the luxury of voting for Nader or McKinney or Cindy Sheehan, but what I'd really rather everyone who feels like me do in Nov: write in "protest vote -- fraudulent election." '00 and '04 clearly were -- why should '08 be any different?
In my most cynical moments I suspect that the shift away from progressive talk by Obama that happened almost immediately upon clinching the nomination was part of a plan to make a McCain win (by theft) plausible.
Until the workers of the world look past their national/ethnic/"racial"/gender/religious differences and unite, no election in a country run by corporate imperialists is going to make much difference in the downward spiral. Maybe gryphon is correct: we gotta bottom out before a better society for all can emerge from the wreckage. Scary thought but one that history would tend to support.
And by the way, could we please stop lumping Jews and Zionists together? Most of my Jewish friends are appalled at the way the Palestinians have been treated during the illegal occupation of their land and don't support it at all. And all these discussions about which is the dog and which is the tail -- corporate power is beyond national boundaries and has been for some time. Both the US and Israel, as a strategic base for launching military operations in the oil-rich region, are old dogs we need to look beyond in order to see who's got them by the tail and is swinging them around knocking us down if we dare to dissent.
Oh VA green,
No i am just a guy who when the Green and Nader supporters say bad names about All Democrats, (you wouldn't be one wound you?) i got a right as an independent green democrat rabble to call those who are threatening to enable the worst future prez imaginable, I got a right to fire back with "self righteous losers" ... until you start winning.
If you want to know all the bad names Dems have been called on CD, Look it up!
No I don't expect you VA to realize how important it is for the welfare of the planet to stop McSame but enough Americans do to get the job done.
Political scabs will inherit the blame at worst and not share in the victory at Best.
Enjoy trying to drive us in the ground for your pride!
Ok Haz,
We can count on you to play your own game of the self righteous worst of evil enabler... but I got a hunch that enough Americans care more about balance and political reality (voting for someone who can deliver)
So when you vote, will you at least pray the McCane is stopped?
Oh and nothing bad has happened to Dennis K., He is doin great and makin history as a dedicated progressive activist Dem who does good for humanity...what have you done for your country Lately, haz?
I did it Glover's way for a very long time. It didn't work; time to try something else.
There is a list as long as your arm why Barak Obama's Clintonian "bait and switch" tactics results in exactly what you get from the republicans only a "kinder gentler machine gun hand". The above article articulates one of them.
You want change, real change, you will not go on enabling the dysfunctional system that got us to where we are.
I don't hate all Democrats. I was one all my life like my father before me. I donate to PDA and therein lies my only hope in any change in the direction the Democratic Party has taken.
Until Americans wake up, there is no real solution. Corporate America is the enemy; the all to overused expression of military-industrial-media complex is what needs to be changed. The party of Davos is what needs to be changed. The economics of Milton Friedman and Robert Rubin needs to be changed. Indeed in many ways they in essence already equate to the classical definition of fascism; the US practices defacto economic slavery around the world; the US governments governs in the name of corporate America, exploits the resources and labor of the indigenous people by controlling local strong men or corruptible governments and when that doesn't work they simply invent a reason for military action against them.
Those that speak out against this are not the problem here. Rather, those that are blinded by partisan nationalism are. Forget the party affiliation and start acting like we are all Americans with a great deal at stake.
I will not ever again vote for a lesser of two evils period. What I will do is continue pointing at the real problem; speaking with my fellow Americans about what we all can see with our own eyes if we actually look.
If those that continue to enable this government, drive this nation into the ground, then and perhaps only then will they wake up. I hope there is something worth saving by then.
g
Thanks for your self righteous support, we won't forget what you gave us if McSame wins.
If you want to bomb Iran, vote 3rd party or Republican because When you count the votes the result is the same, you will help the Republicans! It sounds so freaking Evil, I don't think the American people are gonna let that happen…We know when we are gettin fleeced.
"We Know when we are getting coned by the 3rd party hate of all Dems and will stop McCain anyway and you 3rd party self righteous losers might be glad that you won't get the blame for giving us more war, fascism and McCain."
There was a time when the Democratic Party told us that "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." Now, it's more like "We have nothing to offer but fear itselt."
Self-righteous losers? Do you seriously think that this sort of childish name-calling is going to convince me to vote for Obama? Would you talk to McCain supporters and non-voters in the same way, or do you only do it to Greens and Nader supporters because you perceive then as smaller groups that can be more easily bullied?
re Jim Glover August 1st, 2008 1:07 pm
please study the examples, from jesse jackson to larry agran to dennis kucinich, of what happens to those who attempt to bring progressive ideas to the fore in the D party.
yes, you're asking too much. voting D is like kevin bacon in "animal house," grabbing his ankles and saying "thank you sir, may i have another?" after each stroke of the paddle.
i'm too far past pledge week to play that game anymore.
Thanks haz,
And I would like to clear up one more thing..... we do have too much war and fascism now but we don't need any more like "winner of wars" McCain has got in store.
You can keep your principals.. but for the good of all you could help keep your principals alive by stopping "Bomb Iran" McCain with your vote..
Are you too pure too do what you can to help the world overcome to go forward to help unite progressives?
Stop freaking McCain Humanity needs your help..... Am I asking too much?
AndyUK, there is a huge difference between candidates and congressmen pledging support for Israel's atrocities in order to get campaign money and to avoid smears,and some sort of a Zionist "control" of the "ultimate powers" of the US government.
"Why do we talk about pre-emptive strikes on another country, which are based on lies, or dreams of what may or may not happen in a few years time?"
This has more to do with the intellectual culture of the elite sectors of US society, including politicians, intellectuals and the media, complete disrespect for international norms. This is limited to threats against Iran.
Take the Iraq occupation. Take the embargo of Cuba. Take the 1980s in Central America, and the US's rejection of the World Court after its ruling on the US's illegal use of force (i.e. terrorism against Nicaragua, and its order that the US pay Nicaragua reparations. Take the 1999 bombing a Serbia, the 1998 bombing of Sudan's main pharmacuetical plant, ect., ect.
All of these atrocities committed by the US are either completely distorted so as to make them seem justifiable, or not reported. In other words, the US government looks out for its own interests first, and the media allows and supports its atrocities, many times with great ebullience. That the US government puts the "national interests" (meaning the interests of the people who really matter in the society---rich people) before the safety of its citizens, is truly deplorable-- but it doesn't do so because of some Zionist lobby, or Zionist infiltration.
Noam Chomsky uses the example of the US's outright humiliation of Israel in 2005 when, without US approval, it tried to sell arms to China. The US stopped that dead in its tracks, and even demanded an apology. That shows us that wherever power is held, it certainly isn't some Israel Lobby.
I agree with you, AndyUK, that we need to change the status quo.
re Jim Glover August 1st, 2008 12:27 pm
now we know, thanks.
if we get "war and fascism" (as if we didn't have it already), it won't be the fault of the ruling 1% who own both major parties, plus the media, plus the data-mining companies, voting machine makers, weapons manufacturers, vertically integrated energy conglomerates, etc., etc.
it will be the fault of the few of us who will put our votes where our principles are, who will refuse to swallow the hook just because the bait is labelled D instead of R.
so glad you could clear that up for us.
On Common Dreams there are only two political parties, the Greens and Nader,
They both have been around but have never won anything.
They have good points that should be considered but their hatred of all Dems prevents them from getting their views counted.
If you can't deliver you are just a distraction.
If you don't give progressives more power by winning seats for progressives you are a distraction from progress and help the regressive and neo cons.
3rd parties until they can unite with progressives will help the worst, the Regressives.
There are many good Dems about half are progressive and half are blue dogs.
Actually there is only one government (2 party system) and it can go progressive or regressive. 3rd parties serve the MIC well because they keep progressives divided and thus weak like we are now!
Because Greens and Nader will split their votes, that proves that they will not have any more power for progress and will distract and help the slide to fascism.
so until progressives learn to forget about parties and support the most progressive who have the best chance to win when it comes time to vote, you will be helping fascism in America.
Thanks for your self righteous support, we won't forget what you gave us if McSame wins.
If you want to bomb Iran, vote 3rd party or Republican because When you count the votes the result is the same, you will help the Republicans! It sounds so freaking Evil, I don't think the American people are gonna let that happen...We know when we are gettin fleeced.
We Know when we are getting coned by the 3rd party hate of all Dems and will stop McCain anyway and you 3rd party self righteous losers might be glad that you won't get the blame for giving us more war, fascism and McCain.
Lapaz000, if the Zionists are not so influential, then why do all of the US presidential candidates pay homage to Israel, and say nothing about the suffering of the Palestinians? Why does the US (and UK for that matter), get away with defending all of Israel's actions? Why do we talk about pre-emptive strikes on another country, which are based on lies, or dreams of what may or may not happen in a few years time? Why do the US/UK talk about the "defence of Israel", before looking after the welfare of their own citizens?
This whole situation stinks!
Trying to extinguish fire by adding fuel? Get the US out of any Middle East peace negotiations and that area might see progress. The US is an irritant, has always been one, and will always remain one.
Correction to my earlier post:
American taxpayers pay for Israelis' free health care while tens of MILLIONS (not thousands) of people in the U.S. go without health coverage and some die because of it.
Zionist control over U.S. media is what we should be emphasizing. Stop calling it the "corporate media" and start calling it the "corporate-Zionist media." But of course, this won't make a bit of difference because 95% of American Christians have been so snookered by Zionist propaganda they actually refer to themselves proudly as "Zionists!" Even the conservative Catholics support Zionism because at the local business level these rich Catholics and rich Jews are in complete agreement about systematically exploiting the lower classes. How come hardly anyone ever mentions the word CLASS on these CD articles and reader's threads? And by the way--Jew or not, I like Trotsky. His essay: "Their Morals and Ours" is a masterpiece. Anyone who gets supported by John Dewey then murdered by Josef Stalin is OK in my book.
The major parties can count, there simply are more Jews in America then Muslims that vote. Its called pandering. Nothing new here.
Traditionally it has been the Democrats who supported Israel unconditionally. To get the word "Palestinian" into the platforms of more than one Democratic Party (Texas and Oregon) back in the 1980s and 1990s was a tremendous effort against most of the party officers and many, but luckily not all, of the precinct persons and delegates to State conventions. Before the 1980s, it was impossible and one was blasted as an anti-Semite for even daring to suggest such a thing. I have long abandoned the Democratic Party
It is a rewriting of history to imply that there was ever a time before Bush when the Democrats were even remotely fair minded on the Palestinian/Israeli issue. In fact, prior to Bush, the Republicans were more even-handed on this issue.
Both McKinney & Nader have balanced, fair approaches.
The others....? They all look the other way as people including childeren have died for decades for US official policy "goals."
Does anyone yet see the need to support and grow another party? Don't let whatever you do for 15 minutes in November stop you from helping build the Party speaking what most of us are thinking (Greens). Make it work. You see where your donation dollars go otherwise, dontcha?
Well, the weapons of mass destruction are in Isreal and why is it that always the guys with the most weapons support each other beating on the ones with less weapons? No different than the gangs in East LA. And just like in East LA we all suffer...We are the world.
"Some local observers suggest that the neo-conservatives in the current Bush administration, many of whom hold dual U.S.-Israel citizenship, are more beholden to Israel than to the U.S."
I thought duel citizenship wasn't allowed in the States? I guess only for its pet favourite, Israel.
It's interesting that Jews were persecuted throughout history, esp. in the age of Nazi Germany. One would think that from this Israel would KNOW how horrible that is and wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else. Well, I guess Israel uses a different sense of "logic" - the "revenge on humanity" sort. Too many Disney movies I suppose.
Wonder if Israel could ever do anything repugnant enough to create sanction from the US? As for the "news" that anyone fails to see a difference between dems and repugs, it really would be beyond belief if they DID still think there was a difference!
'Bush went on to describe Washington's alliance with Israel as "unbreakable".'
The puppet strings are stronger than the bones of this one.
No 1. Israel has cruicified The Christ, only begotten son of our Creator, because of that it became the Cursed nation. Irael does not accept the Only Begotten Son of the Creator and will always be known as the Wandering Jew without a country. The Jews kept on trying to rob Palestine of its rightfull land. There is No blessing for Israel, they will not repent.
Jealous ~Tailcap~? You're joking,____ right?
Little Brother July 31st, 2008 12:11 pm
"ARABS DESPAIR OF BOTH MAJOR US POLITICAL PARTIES
Well, get in line!"
My first thought was, "join the club"!
Hey guess what dogs? I am getting ready to go with my girlfriend to meet.................................yea, you guessed it buddy- Vincent Bugliosi! THE MAN himself is signing books in Pasadena CA. Guess what hosers? Yea buddy I will have my very own copy of Vincent Bugliosi's "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder ISBN 978-159315-481-3(2008)" signed by none other than Vincent Bugliosi!
I know you dogs are jealous. Aren't you? Kiss my butt!
Right on MikeP You are correct.
I assure you, AndyUK, when Obama comes to power, nothing in the US policy vis-a-vis Israel is going to change. It just gets progressively worse as the US bends to the will of Israel's occupation policies. That doesn't mean that Zionists hold a lot of power in the US. You are arguing that the tail wags the dog.
Also,Iran doesn't stand against oppression in the Muslim world. The Iranian govermnent is a backward oppressive theocracy. How can a government stand up against oppression abroad and oppress its own population at the same time? Iran supported the US invasion of Afghanistan. Afghans have suffered greatly as a result of that. It isn't the US, of course, meaning that it doesn't just invade countries to try to control their resources. But that doesn't mean that it stands against oppression.
Show me how Israel controls almost the "ultimate power" AndyUK.
My point that if Israel had the power in the US establishment that you says it does, Iran would have already been bombed wasn't addressed by you.
Jeff Halper, American Israeli, founder and coordinator of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions told me during one of my five trips to Israel and occupied Palestine since June 2005:
"Tony Blair said 70% of all the conflicts in the world can be traced back to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. What gives us hope is that as this conflict worsens maybe Europe will figure out that American policies are against their interests and intervene...This conflict impacts the global community and especially everyone in the USA.
"If we do fix this conflict it would be a tremendous step forward in global reconciliation.
"This whole issue is based on Human Rights and it is a global issue requiring global intervention.
"I don't want to depress you too much but the issue of the occupation is a global issue that transcends boundaries and Israel Palestine impacts all global realities.
"We have a country created by the UN and supported by the USA that has a brutal occupation while International Law defines occupation as a temporary situation.
"When you incorporate occupied territories, highways, settlements and use resources it is all illegal according to the Fourth Geneva Convention which states the status quo must be retained so that negotiations can happen.
"Unilateral actions are illegal. The occupying power is responsible for those under its control.
"Israel is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy: full rights to Jews, but not Palestinians."
Eileen Fleming, Reporter and Editor WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu"
biwee is right. We are like the Mayans, dazzled and stupified by the Spaniards who firstly, divided them and then murdered them in droves..then enslaved them for 400 years, leaving a cult which explained that it was "God'will" Since our country is for sale, then those who buy it will get their way, even contracts to sabotage us with zionist-controlled data mining and spy hardware/software companies.
Lapaz000, I would discount the Jewish bit, but substitute Zionist/US, where maybe, the Zionists do not quite control the ultimate power, but are close to doing so. I think the US still realise that Iran is a very powerful state, among others who simply "follow orders". Although Iran does not have the technological ability to defeat Israel or the US in a war, it is still a formidable country to conquer. It is not a divided country like Afghanistan or Iraq, but a very proud nation, aware of it's past, and the interference of Western powers. An attack on Iran would unite all parties against the West, and would guarantee a response very different to past conflicts.
As the original article highlights, Iran stands against the oppression of the Muslim World, at the level of ordinary Muslims - forget about the leaders of Arab dictatorships, they are puppets of the West, much like the Shah and Sadaam.
I feel sorry for Arabs as both O and Mc are run by AIPAC. NO CHANGE IN NOV FOLKS
much of the criticism that the article cites makes it seem as if there is a sort of Jewish/Zionist conspiracy among the top levels of the US government. that doesn't seem all that realistic. if that were the case, iran would have been bombed by now. rather, the US supports Israel's occupation and wants it to stay militarized for its own strategic interests. Take the current situation: The US, I think, realizes that an attack on Iran would provoke consequences that would be far more damaging, though unpredictable, than having Iran as a nuclear armed power would be. Israel desperately wants the US to do its dirty work vis-a-vis Iran. Israel does not control American foreign policy.
Nice job Samson. Screw all the God-damned Democrats and their compromised and cowardly leaders Pelosi and Obama! Vote McKinney, Nader or 3rd party! Send them all to Hell! I sure will.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE POLITICAL PARTY: THE REPUBLICANS
The Republican Party is really the party we have. The Republicans have inserted "Blue Dogs" into the Democratic Party with the consent of the Democratic leadership. The Blue Dogs are actually an extension of the Republicans.
The Republicans are so smart, they actually control both parties. Pelosi, the Democrat's leader is actually a Republican. That is the reason she has protected Bush from impeachment. Why would the Democrats impeach their leader?
It has become really obvious to me, from Clinton on, I started to catch on. Prior to Clinton I really thought there was a difference. The PTB ( powers that be) aren't dumb, they have lined both their pockets, both are compromised.
We really only have one political party in this country. The DPAs can say otherwise but that is because there are intellectually and mentally challenged. It SO OBVIOUS, notice that it really doesn't matter who becomes president, the wars/occupations will continue. Notice it doesn't matter who controls the Congress, the sell out of our civil liberties will continue. I can't help but sneer at the DPAs as Dave Lindorff pointed out he doesn't.
How can you not not sneer at the cretins still supporting the Democrats?
Its not only the Arabs but the Persians, Kurds, Afghans and other ethnic groups in the Middle East...me thinks the title needs to change.
WHY NOT JUST SAY IT.......
A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR MIDDLE EAST PEACE !!!!
We should all (Americans) be sick of the two-state (I mean political-party (non) solution!!!
God knows I am!!!
voting Nader in '08
""When it comes to the Middle East conflict, the Arabs no longer see any difference between Republicans and Democrats,"
Was there ever a difference?
Both parties are a disgrace and their blind support of Israel borders on treason.
This is the Obama position that really got to me (or at least the latest)
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005286.html
"Obama reportedly told Olmert that he is interested in meeting the Iranians in order to issue clear ultimatums. "If after that, they still show no willingness to change their nuclear policy, then any action against them would be legitimate," an Israeli source quoted him as saying"
Note very carefully that he's promising to basically follow the Bush policy. He's promising to 'negotiate' just like Bush. That is to issue ultimatums, and to do this basically as a prelude to military strikes. This is exactly the same 'diplomacy' that Bush uses.
Note also that he is basically promising that if Bush doesn't strike Iran before his term ends, then Obama will pick up the same policy and continue it.
Is it any surprise that the Arabs don't see any difference if Obama gets elected?
The only reason the Democrats are dependent on AIPAC ( and the 50 or so other registered zionist lobby groups) is that they sold the soul of their party some time ago.
The Democrats used to be based on grassroots participation. The classic Dem v Repub campaign when I was growing up was a contest between Republicans with lots of money veruss Democrats with lots of people support. So it was Republican money versus union phone banks and door-to-door campaigns.
The change is that the Democrats sold the soul of their party and decided to make their party look just like the Republicans. So, now the Democrats out-fund raise the Republicans (Obama $350 mil, McCain $130mil) regularly. Just the specter of a Republican taking public financing and criticizing the Dem for not should just scream what a different party this is today.
Meanwhile, the Dems regularly tell their popular base to go stuff themselves. Since the interests of the members of the party and of the fools who continue to vote Democrat are very different from those of their rich contributors, and since the Dems have built their media-and-consultant based campaigns on the money from rich contributors, they regularly screw their base. How many times have we seen that since the 2006 elections? So many I can't count any more. The FISA bill was only just the latest in a very long line.
So, what the Dems are really saying is that since they only care what their rich contributors think, and since they rely on that money in their campaigns, that's why they say they "can't get elected" without basically pledging the policy of this country to be tied to what's good for Israel.
If the Dems were really to run grassroots campaigns that were less dependent on money, then they wouldn't have to do this. But, the one thing the modern Dems absolutely hate is a grassroots campaign. When one appears in their primaries, the Dems do everything possible to kill it off. And when one appears as a third party challenging the Dems reliance and subserviance to money, that's when you see the true venom and hatred of the Democrats.
The 'you can't get elected' if you don't kow-tow to Israel is basically more propaganda from the Democrats trying to explain away their awful, hateful, pro-war positions. It is not supported by poll data. Poll data rather steadily shows that about 60% of the people here would favor a just two-state solution with basically the 1967 borders.
But this is the position the Democrats reject so they can support Israeli crimes and wars.
You see this across the spectrum. The candidates and leaders the Democratic party puts forward are very far to the right of the electorate as a whole, and incredibly far to the right of the members of their party.
The problem the Democrats have is constantly trying to explain this away and getting the base of their party to support awful, evil positions that are far different from what their voters really want.
Anytime you see one thought repeated over and over and over the way the 'can't get elected' one is in this thread, it should be questioned and closely examined. Especially one that is presented like this one with no supporting data. When something is told you as a given that you are just supposed to accept, the first thing you should do is reject it and question it.
Usually it turns out to be just more bull from the Democrats, to add to their Mount Rushmore size pile of bull that they've already thrown at us.
Funny how when you live in the part of the world where all the bombs are going off, they see this much more clearly than many here in the states.
The point I always seem to come back to is that Clinton killed a million Iraqis, and Bush has killed a million Iraqis. The only difference is that they used different methods. But, if you are the one burying loved ones, its probably pretty hard to tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
If both Democrats and Republicans are going to kow-tow the Zionist lobby, and do so in opposition of about 60% of Americans who want a just peace settlement in the region, its very hard to believe that anyone who isn't a zionist is going to look a the Democrats and see anything different than a Republican with a (D) after their name.
Why should Arab people see a difference in Dims and Repugs? There is no difference.
Dan,
These Arabs do understand what it takes to get elected in America and that is don't cross the Zionist Israel lobby.... and anyway I think there are many Zionists who know an attack on Iran is suicidal.
In other words the author is saying in other words that Obama is doin what he has to do to stop McCain... the Bush legacy will be Hero status under the "winner of wars" McCain!
I mean he was bombing people in the city of Hanoi when he was shot down wasn't he?
One more nail get hammered into the black coffin labeled "HOPE 2008"
We read article, after article painting a sad and sorry picture of Obama as someone ever-eager to be in the good graces of the powerful establishment not one standing with the oppressed.
The same DPAs pop up article after article, doing their desperate best to somehow grin, spin, and conclude: "Vote for Obama!"
In this case they lamely try and refute the author by blaming the Palestinian victims who "are building artificial ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands for billionaires." Or as DD says, "The "ARABS" don't understand what is required to win an election in America."
Never mind what the articles actually say, that doesn't matter because to them the conclusion is foregone, "Obama will save us!"
http://www.ncusar.org/publications/Publications/2008-06-20-War-with-Iran-Reactions-and-Requirements.pd...
The US has NEVER been an honest broker is this conflict.
The middle east has far better coverage of the US election as it pertains to foreign policy than the US does itself. They also see day to day the effects of the US government's support for the dictatorships and occupations. They like Obama the way people liked Bush when he was promising things kinder and gentler. They have not heard from the anti-war politicians in America so they can't be expected to give an opinion.
AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM? they have only been betrayed time and again by administration after administration who claims to have peaceful intentions; but as soon as more jews start settling in arab lands, and building walls around these illegal encampments, and sending troops in to protect them from the justified backlash. AMERICAN foreign policy is two tiered, the top tier gets all the money and support needed to further oppression and suffering, and the bottom tier gets roadblocks and walls and a few scraps and bread crumbs to make them accept it without resistence...
The "ARABS" don't understand what is required to win an election in America. And they wouldn't, because most of them don't HAVE elections except between which brand of Islam shall be followed.
"Strange as it may seem, a group representing about 3% of the US population totally controls and runs this country"
No, this isn't true. The US is controlled almost entirely by Christians.
As far as there being any kind of "slaughter" in Palestine, actually, no, the conflict there is one of the least violent in world history. If you judged the conflicts in the world in the last 50 years by the number of casualties the Israeli-Palestinian war wouldn't even make the list.
this isn't surprising, as it confirms my own experience travelling across europe a few years ago: almost everybody in the world, it seemed, knew more about what was happening in the u.s. than u.s. citizens (most speak better english as well).
perhaps some slack is called for, since we live, practically marinating, in the most media-saturated society the world has ever seen.
corporate-owned media, whose interlocking directorships and subsidiary interests profit directly from war, manufacture on a daily basis an impenetrable fog of fear to keep the public purse open (that flesh-and-blood people die every day as a result doesn't affect their calculations).
but we're running out of time and excuses. we who call ourselves "progressives" owe it to ourselves, our posterity and our planet to "educate, agitate and organize" our truth-challenged peers before this small window of opportunity called the internet is closed down. use it or lose it.
obama=mccain. D=R. everybody everywhere knows it---except here.
The dems cave, and i'm willing to give them the chance that if they have both congress and the oval office, they won't have anyone to cave to. Might not work, but mccain will be the same as the last 2 years. Slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.
But in regards to israel, i don't think anyone is going to risk losing the jewish vote. Obama and clinton proved that. I doubt that's just pandering if he wants a second term.
Too bad we can't reelect Carter.
The British press however does often portray these matters much like you see here on CD. One can only hope Europe picks up the slack on this, because i have little faith that the US will play a role in the fairness of the situation.
Not only are the Republicrat candidates disappointing on the Palestinian grievances, they are also disappointing on gay marriages and gay parents, medical marijuana and letting the phone companies off the hook for illegal wiretapping. I'm for Bog=b Barr but I like Nader second.
Farheen Hakeem is a muslim woman running for state representative in Minnesota under the Green Party. She has incredible energy and is a very engaging speaker.
The Democrats tried to recruit her away from the Green Party, but she refused them.
http://www.farheenhakeem.org/
Green Videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/GreenProgress
Well put, Mordechai Shiblikov!!
The Israelis are 'solving' their Arab problem by killing one Arab child at a time. It's the Jews 'final' solution, remember!
Both candidates approve this slaughter, er, 'security' measures...
The United States has only one political party, not two. And this political party is not really a political party but an organized and, if necessary, violent embezzlement scheme in which the center/right faction, aka the Democrats, are considered left wing because they will sweep the crumbs off the table and let you lick them off the floor which is covered with every known virus and bacteria known to mankind. Many thanks for your generosity. In lieu of anyone actually cleaning the floor, I'd prefer a bottle of Purell.
One is forced to deep admiration of the Palestinians who for the most part remain "cool" over three generations of intolerable provocations by Israel, and it keeps getting worse as Israel rushes now to build yet more settlements so the West Bank will be cut in two. The pictures of deceit, trickery, robbery, murder, torment, torture, insult in the B'tselem videos provvide an appalling portrait of Israelis, particularly the settlers, and their so-called democracy, so appalling one can hope that the moderate Jewish voices will rise up even louder and be heard as they are beginning to be heard in the US!
The willful play-ignorance of the both presidential candidates as to what is going on in the territories is obscene! The silence of the Europeans is obscene.
Nobody threatens the security of Israel more than the Israelis themselves, particularly the Zionist extreme right and the settlers, refusals to obey even Israeli court orders to move their horrible "security wall," refusals to conform to UN resolutions which would never be tolerated if it were Ian Arab country. Such rot cannot prevail! But they sure do cause an awful lot of death, starvation, torment meanwhile.
It's probably past time too to consider legislation in the US restricting dual nationals from taking high offices unless they renounce the other nationality.
Anti-Arab racism?
Everyone knows U.S. politicans are biased towards Israel and can't get elected president unless they suck up to Israel/AIPAC. Why not just declare Israel the most powerful nation on earth, and the U.S second since Israel calls all the shots.
To add insult to injury, American taxpayers pay for Israelis' free health care while tens of thousands of people in the U.S. go without health coverage and some die because of it.
It appears we don't count.
AIPAC has got it's claws embedded deep into the American political machine. It's only real influence appears to be money. Since so many of our political leaders are greedy to the point of obsession, it's obvious why they rally to this AIPAC disease.
America is for sale folks. We'll support whatever cause pays the highest. Our Constitution is meaningless unless somebody pays us enough to care about it.
I'm not an Israeli and I'm not an Iranian. Neither side pays me anything so I can pick whoever I want to win. I hope Iran blows Israel to the stone age. Screw AIPAC!
the whole aipac, us and israel thing has been discussed forever in the blogspot and it has been, at times, anti-israeli, rarely anti arab
which is about right
now who is wagging who
who knows
it seems hard to believe that israel could wag the us but when one sees how many of the neocons and bushco enjoy dual citizenry between the us and israel - one can only wonder
but israel's status as project number one is beyond question or doubt
who cares - the american death machine in action - militarize and then destroy all semblance of humanity
pure hatred from the us that transcends politics and strategy and shoots right into what it is at its heart - hatred of all life
america is a fuck up of historic proportion and it is run by chicken shit chicken hawks who, themselves, have never served a day (in bush's case he was awol and should be in jail) but nonetheless see no problems with sending in other people's children into war zones to be blown apart or killed, even as they cut back funding for services required for their injuries
it is a bitter joke that is not remotely funny that the americans see themselves as the arbiter of this genocide in palestine
it is another unfunny joke that the un is situated in the world's largest (some could argue only) terrorist nation
the world may just be getting to the point where the american death fatigue may boil over
the world is sick of all the death and destruction
the americans want to kill everyone
in this they are alone, with the possible exception of their yiddish goyums
the world should insist that the us close its bases around the world and stop funding terror
the world media should expose the american death merchants daily
bush ranks right up there with hitler and stalin and suharto
the world should sell their us dollars and embargo the sickness that is the united states of fascist america
before they destroy the world
The Arabs are right. Strange as it may seem, a group representing about 3% of the US population totally controls and runs this country. How did that happen in the land of the free and the brave?? Many, many ways. First, you must realize that the billionaires who run Wall St and own, or control, or run, 90% (+) of the media outlets in America are Jews. Likewise, Jews run the Federal Reserve Bank. So, when it comes to the nation of Israel, these all powerful Jews crack the whip on the US Congress, and fill up a vastly disproportionate amount of political appointee slots in both Rep and Dem administrations. All this enables
the supporters of Israel to further ingrain the false idea that Israel is important to the USA. That leads to events like the unnecessary war of choice in Iraq, and the threat of a war on Iran, and the never ending flow of money to Israel when America is in a fiscal crisis. Whining, racist criminal bigots have gained the upper hand. America no longer operates for the benefit of its native citizens. But, there is some chance that, after the next terrorist
false flag attack on the USA by Mossad, Americans will start to come to their senses. Become INFORMED!! Google
the USS Liberty, Jack Bernstein, Harold Rosenthal, Benjamin Freedman (Freidman), UN Security Council resolutions violated by Israel, Ariel Sharon, Sabra and Shatilla. The information to reveal the truth to you is right here on the internet from unbiased sources. Just the truth. Here is an example: Google Solomon Morel, a true war criminal who Israel will not extradite to Poland to be tried for his crimes. Yet, the Israelis think they can run amuck in the world and claim the right to extradite anyone. This is not about Nazis, Hitler, Christianity, or anything else. It
is about the rule of law and basic common decency and fair play. For the present time in America, YOU are owned lock, stock, and barrel by Ashkenazi Khazars who have no connection to Palestine. These are the same people as Radek, Sverdlov, Kaminev, Yagoda and Kaganovich and Trotsky.
If Arabs want power over the Zionists, they could start buying up the US instead of building artificial ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands for billionaires.
ARABS DESPAIR OF BOTH MAJOR US POLITICAL PARTIES
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Well, get in line!
One more reason to elect an Arab-American president.
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The two authors get to the heart of the matter at the end of the piece, the dearth of quality leadership in much of the Arab world. Thus it is no surprise that Hamas and Hezbollah are as popular as they are because of the social services they provide in place of a dysfunctional state. Ultimately though, until the Arabs join the 21st century politically, culturally, and scientifically, they will always remain at least a step behind and continue to wonder why they are no longer in the Golden Age of Islam (700 - 1300 AD).
And they ask "why do they hate us?"............
When it comes sucking up to AIPAC, the candidates believe the Arabs are expendable.