Banned in the USA?
It's not just "security walls" that can keep "aliens" from entering Fortress America.
The State Department has this thing they call "prudential revocation" of a foreigner's visa. Translating the bureaucratese into English, that means the government doesn't have to make a formal finding about why an "alien" is being denied entry. A "prudential revocation" means the governments thinks you might be ineligible for entry.
Case in point: Professor Adam Habib, a leading South African political scientist and Vice Chancellor at the University of Johannesburg, who also happens be a critic of Bush's misled crusade to maintain U.S. hegemony over Middle Eastern energy resources under the guise of ridding the world of "terrorism."
In October 2006, Habib, a Muslim, flew into New York City because he was invited to attend an academic symposium being held by the American Sociological Association (ASA). At the airport, he was detained for seven hours and questioned about his political beliefs before his visa was revoked. The professor was deported back to South Africa.
In the days following the deportation, the only answer Habib got was confirmation that, indeed, his visa had been revoked and -- oh, by the way, the visas of his wife and two kids, one of whom was conceived in America, had been revoked too.
Why would a highly esteemed academician be banned from the land of the free? A vague answer was sent to the US Consulate General in Johannesburg later that month, according to the South Africa-based Freedom of Expression Institute (FXI).
The cited reason for revoking Habib's visa is a section of the US Immigration and Nationality Act that says any 'alien' who has engaged in a terrorist activity, or who is believed to be a terrorist threat, can be denied entry.
The law also says that anyone who represents a foreign terrorist organization, or endorses terrorist views, can also be excluded. But, the convoluted denial did not explain how Habib supposedly violated the Act.
In November 2007, the ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of organizations that have invited Professor Habib to speak in the U.S., including the ASA, the American Association of University Professors, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Boston Coalition for Palestinian Rights.
The lawsuit -- still pending in federal court -- asks the court to prevent the government from excluding Habib, unless evidence is produced that substantiates the "terrorist" accusations.
"In one fell swoop, the U.S. government has stifled political debate in this country and maligned the reputation of a respected scholar without giving one shred of evidence to support its claims. It appears that Professor Habib is being excluded not because of his actions but because of his political views and associations," is how ACLU's National Security Project attorney Melissa Goodman puts it.
If you think this is about the right of non-citizens to enter the U.S., you would be mistaken. This is about the First Amendment rights of U.S. citizens and what the ACLU calls "ideological exclusion," both of which raise serious constitutional questions.
"The exclusion of foreign scholars on ideological grounds has profound implications for academic freedom and the free exchange of ideas here in the U.S. Crucial to academic freedom -- and to freedom of inquiry more generally -- are the freedoms to hear the ideas of others, to collaborate with others intellectually, and to engage others in intellectual debate," Goodman observes.
"It is settled law that the First Amendment protects not only the freedom to speak but also the freedom to 'receive information and ideas' (see Kliendienst v. Mandel 1972 and Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC 1969)."
The ruling in the latter case says: "It is the purpose of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace for ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail...It is the right of the public to receive suitable access to social, political, esthetic, moral, and other ideas and experiences."
Interesting to note: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was allowed to enter the U.S. to give a speech at the U.N. during the same time frame. A leader of one of the "axis of evil" nations can come to New York but Professor Habib is a threat?
ACLU attorneys argue that ideological exclusion is unconstitutional because the government cannot exclude non-citizens based on the content of their speech in order to prevent U.S. citizens from hearing their views.
I hadn't heard of the Habib case until I was invited to be a reader at the ACLU and PEN American Center-sponsored "An Evening Without...," in which writers and artists are invited to read from the works of thinkers banned in the U.S.A. because of their political beliefs.
On Wednesday night at 7, at the First Congregational Church in Wellfleet, Mass., I'll be reading some of Professor Habib's work. Other writers and journalists -- Howard Zinn, James Carroll and Justin Kaplan, to name a few -- will read from similarly banned-in-the-USA thinkers.
Ever since Adam and Eve were monkey-ing around in the Garden, unable to resist the temptation to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it's been human nature for people to seek out what governments say should not be heard.
If you really believe in freedom, you seek out the Professor Habib's of the world. Even if you don't agree with their ideas, it's a worthy exercise because, like the J.S. Mill quote pinned to my cubicle wall says: "He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that."
Sean Gonsalves is a news editor and columnist with the Cape Cod Times. He can be reached at sgonsalves@capecodonline.com
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39 Comments so far
Show Allgood luck August 2nd, 2008 8:11 am
With that idiot in, you are lucky the whole state of Texas hasn't moved in on you guys.
"billions of cubic feet of Natural Gas in GAZA waters that Israel is stealing."
Ah-ha!
Thomas More
since Bush got in the second time the number of US students in Canadian schools has jumped. There are more American plates on the roads these days up here even when it is not tourist season.
ALSO with GAZA
the reason Israel is also blocking Gaza from the sea is the billions of cubic feet of Natural Gas in GAZA waters that Israel is stealing.
elmysterio
As to the Summer Camp article....
I talked to Kathy Kelly and she said she couldn't give me any instances herself. She forwarded to Joel and he says……….."Israeli settlers from Havat Maon unauthorized outpost (Hill 833) in the South Hebron Hills have repeatedly attacked children as they walk to elementry school in Tuwani. When I was attacked, I filmed the Israeli settler hurling stones at the group of children.
This is the fourth such incident this week."
"You (unbelievably) questioned whether or not Palestinian children were being brutalized by Jewish settlers in the West Bank."
We must always question anything we are not sure of and we must always be sure to never say any thing thats not true and verified. The last 8 years the neocons have been getting everyone's critisizm for that exact thing. And there are radicals on the left that are no better than those on the right.
Kathy didn't report that, but Joel did. Eyewitness account, no question.
It's an eye opener. But I still don't condemn all Israeli for the actions of some. Our government hasn't been representing the feelings of a lot of our population lately for example.
I also found that Israel is indeed blockading Gaza from the sea and apparently has control of checkpoints going into Egypt. I find that The Palestinians indeed have most of the right on their side.
So you were right and I thank you for helping me learn a bit more about this.
Thomas said: "Did you read my note on the Palestinians? What I learned?'
No, I didn't see that. Which thread was it posted to?
elmysterio July 31st, 2008 5:49 pm
Howdy...I'm glad to know that you welcome me too.
I don't equate leftist or liberals, not even radical leftists with "commie"....goodness gracious.
"Ah, I'm no commie Thomas, but you seem a little right-wing to me as well.. and I say that with all due respect. But again, coming here and participating in the discussions is very good and I fully support that. While I don't always agree with your stance on an issue, I fully support your right to express it. Really though, as far as I'm concerned, the whole "right/left" thing is an artificial divide."
I sort of agree with you on the left/right thing myself. I can't believe that you don't always agree with my positions! (LOL) I'm what most I guess would call left of center so many of my thoughts don't line up with mainstream leftists. So what. They aren't far enough left for others.
I don't mind at all if anyone disagrees with me as long as its civil as you well know, in fact you lob as many grenades at me as you like. I usually learn something even if its not directly.
That illegal was a gang member in LA, he wanted to take a left turn and this man and his two sons were bolcking his path. I don't know if there was a traffic altercation or not, but he just pulled out an AK 47 from the back seaty and murdered them, right in front of everyone. Killed the father and both sons.( just average citizens...no records)
He had quite a record.
"That's one of the shady underbellies to bad capitalism, profit at the expense of people."
There we certainly agree!
Some of the things these people are getting away with....the story on those girls forced to "entertain" and workers that were living at the factory....that took place in a town 20 miles from here.
I'm proud to report to you that the bastards that were exploiting these people were handled quite roughly by the local police. They detest these people.
Did you read my note on the Palestinians? What I learned?
You know on some things I might be a bit right wing so to speak. Not sure. In fact I'd say you guys are the best judge. I'm no idealouge for sure, from either side.
Pax
GwNorth July 31st, 2008 1:03 pm
I take your points. And I'd also say I know nothing about Canada's illegals. I'm speaking of just the US.
"No one was turned out of school or lost his place at a College or University to make room."
Here that isn't the case. Our illegals are taking places from our citizens. Kids are being replaced by them. I view that as theft.
We have 20 million+ and 2 million+ in my own state, so its a bit more of a problem than in Canada I'd think.
As to the isolated case of this kid, I'm with you, I wish him well....but a huge number is a bit more of a problem.
I can't spaek for other states other than Texas, but most Texans don't blame illegals at all. I certainly don't.
The blame lies with business and government that wants to exploit cheap labor.
Surprisingly enough (or not) you don't see many stories like that, even that weasn't in the national news much. Thare are many instances though not a few...not as violent as that of course. We have a real problem developing on our border in Texas.
This is a systematic exploitation by business. And as I pointed out before, when each illegal costs truly around $2000 per year, each year, don't you think thats not a fair burden for anyone to bear? Would you say we should subsidize big business?
Its a complicated problem and its not going away. A lot of the arguments being made last year are being laid bare for the falsehoods they are.
BiLingual education has been a complete failure here and its an apartheid program anyway. Even William Wayne Justice admitted in a ruling this week. Told Texas educators to find something that works.
Pax
As Benjamin Franklin said, we must all hang together or we will hang separately.
Goose2 said: "I think TM is welcome here and I agree with him on this issue."
The ONLY thing I've ever agreed with you on is that Thomas is welcome here. Hell, I'd welcome any 'right-wing' thinker here as they could learn a thing or two about the true nature of the empire.
Thomas More said: "It would only look right wing if you are far left I would guess."
Ah, I'm no commie Thomas, but you seem a little right-wing to me as well.. and I say that with all due respect. But again, coming here and participating in the discussions is very good and I fully support that. While I don't always agree with your stance on an issue, I fully support your right to express it. Really though, as far as I'm concerned, the whole "right/left" thing is an artificial divide.
Thomas also said: "that whips out his AK47 at an interception and kills three US citizens"
What 'illegal' did that? And WHY? As well, valuing the life of a 'US' citizen or any other life, is wrong. On the other hand though, I do agree with you on the corporate exploitation of the 'illegals'. They're exploiting the person's illegal status to make them a virtual slave. That's one of the shady underbellies to capitalism, profit at the expense of people.
>>You feel that if a US citizen wants to come to our University to study engineering at a premier school but can't because he is from out of state and can't afford out-of state tuition, its perfectly all right to allow an illegal alien to recieve in-state-tuition because they have been sucessful at evading our laws and stealing an education
No this is what I feel. No one is having their education "stolen" from them by this boy from Africa. No one was turned out of school or lost his place at a College or University to make room.
The fact is Canada is a wealthy country. This boy will become a productive Citizen who will work and labor to make Canada a better place.
The reason your American Citizen can not afford an education is not because Illegal immigrants drive up costs, it becuse your Governmnet has decided it has other priorities such as 700 billion a year on its Military and 10s of billions to prop up corrupt bankers.
The reason an American will be excluded from a higher education is that funding to help him pay for that Education is being cut so that money can go to Credit card companies, the arms industry, Halliburtun and subsidizing pipelines in Alaska.
It all too easy to blame the immigrant. They make an easy target.
It no skin off my nose if this boy suddenly makes more money then I make because I helped support his education with my taxes.
I wish him the very best. I hope he gets married and raises a family of his own here, In Canada , and watches his children grow up in peace and security.
You speak of the illegal alien that pulls out an AK47, and this the crux of the problem.
The press and media like to focus on THOSE stories. They create the impression that such is rampant when in fact the vast majority of Illegal immigrants do not do such and have stories more akin to the boy above.
Are there illegals that become criminals? Certainly. Those persons should be dealt with harshly under the law. Every individual case is different .
The reason the media likes to focus on the drug dealing rapist, murderer immigrant? Simple. It allows that middel class who watch their standing of living erode and educational opportunities cut off a convenient target.
One that is NOT the corporations that are doing the plundering.
PK
"Is the money the taxpayers spent on his education truly wasted and would it have been better spent on "our own"?"
Thats the problem, we all have empathy for people that are like this. But where do you stop. The open borders crowd, the ones that push this for their corporate masters want stories like this.
It wasn't wasted in this case, of course there are thousands where it was...and yes, this money should have been spent on our own citizens.
Allow me to put it this way, can you explain to me why I sghould agree to pay between $1600 and $2000 per year to support asomeone that just decided I should give them ther money. And subtract that same money that I paid from the education of my neighbors children?
Do you feel the same way about that illegal alien...( Illegal immigrant was coined by the Corporate spinmeisters to soften the fact of breaking the law)... that whips out his AK47 at an interception and kills three US citizens?
You feel that if a US citizen wants to come to our University to study engineering at a premier school but can't because he is from out of state and can't afford out-of state tuition, its perfectly all right to allow an illegal alien to recieve in-state-tuition because they have been sucessful at evading our laws and stealing an education?
"Should he be deported for breaking the law…jumping the que?"
This is something we will have to find an answer for in the US. There are many fine people that have taken advantage of opportunities and would make good citizens. We will have to seperate those out and figure some fair way to allow them to apply for residency and eventual citizenship.
But never again a blanket amnesty. I supported 1965 and 1968, but that gave business the opportunity to exploit this popening.
Last, I'd say to you that for every inspiring story like the one you quoted there are a thousand that are not good.
I can show you people that are from the other end of the story you quoted that would break your heart. How would you feel if your daughter was working all day long for 5,25 per hour, being charged for her bed, had to buy at the factory and was forced to provide "entertainment" for her employers occasionally.
It breaks my heart, but its evident what this is about.
"Is there a statue of Peter Cushing there? Just kidding"
Now if there is a statue of Peter Cushing, I may need to rethink.
@marc-I've not seen a lot of pastor-bashing here on CD. What I HAVE seen is a lot of bashing of so-called Christians who twist Christ's teachings into something unrecognizable, to justify unjustifiable war and killing and theft of resources that don't belong to us. And there appear to be plenty of those out there.
And no, I don't consider myself a Christian.
Arquin
Tramsylvania, the only thing I know about that place it is filled with vanpires and old English actors trying to kill them. Is there a statue of Peter Cushing there? Just kidding
GW North
good story, I just started to live in Canada and love the place. Notice some of the right wing media are american wanabe . If they only knew how bad it is.
Tailgunner Joe's are strafing still? Shades of McCarthyism and the Blacklists?
Nah! It couldn't happen here!
Well...um ... not again anyway.
wait, are you telling me a Christian pastor clothed, fed and housed the young boy? Can't be true - impossible. All of us here at CD know full well that Christian pastors are all bad and a tool of the Right Wing conspiracy.
OOPS - i'm sorry he was a Canadian pastor. Thats a horse of a different color. As long as pastors are Canadian they get a pass on CD.
A story was recently carried in the press up here. I cant recall the fellows name as I read it on my lunch hour.
In any case they were shoing how this person had graduated from a locla University and was a Star athelete.
He was an illegal immigrant. The kind that so many want to deport.
What was his history?
He grew up in a poor West African Country. As a Child he helped watch over the villages cattle while trying to avoid land mines. He came home one day at the age of 9 to learn his father had been shot by a local militia because he refused to join their little army. One of those all too typical power struggles, with groups funded by Corprate interests in the High and Mightly "lawful" western nations so as to gain access to resources.
Two years later at the age of 11 another milita group arrived. They shot his mother in front of him then loaded up all the children into trucks. The little girls would become sex slaves to the brave freedom fighters. The boys would be impressed into their militias.
They had stopped at the side of the road and this boy, 11 years old ran off from the truck with the militia firing after him. He hid in the woods while they tried to find him. When they left he started walking..south.
A truck driver picked him up. One that had knew his father and gave the boy a ride down to South Africa dropping him in a city. There he lived in the streets foraging and sleeping under bridges.
One day he was on a ship in the harbor..apparently these were known as ideal places to forage (read STEAL for the boys a thief too!!) when the ship left harbor. He hid but was found after a few days, too late to turn back so was impressed into the crew to work for food and board as a laborer.
At 14 he jumped ship while in Harbor in Canada. He hid in the woods of the North Shore near a College here until his ship had left port, then walked downtown attracted by the tall buildings.
A pastor at a local mission set to help person such as him took him under wing, fed and clothed him. He got him into a local school (The Boy was 14 and could not read or write) , and acted as a mentor to him. The boy graduated from high school and attended the very college he hid out by when he landed in Canada.
he was an illegal immigrant.
Should he be deported for breaking the law...jumping the que?
Is the money the taxpayers spent on his education truly wasted and would it have been better spent on "our own"?
"putting illegal employers will stop a lot of it"
I meant to say of course ....putting illegal employers IN JAIL will stop a lot of it
socialistmatt July 30th, 2008 7:35 pm
It would only look right wing if you are far left I would guess. As you use socialist Matt then I assume you are farther left.
I am a liberal, not a marxist, not a socialist and most certainly not one of the grivence grinders.
Illegal immigration has noyhing to do with exclusion. Or very little I should say There is of course some racism inherent here. You assume that if someone doesn't go " they are just trying to build a better life" or doesn't facvor open borders they must be right wing. That if I tell you that anyone that falls for that trap is hurting the very people they think they are helping and helping big business that they usually say they detestI'm right wing.
I wouldn't for a minute refuse a good idea if it came from the right wing and they do have some good ones.
I feel quite confident in discussing this area, I've lived in Texas all my life, I know many Latinos, know many illegals for that matter. They have been coming and going all my life. They are being abused and it infuriates me. I've been as involved as possible in trying to find the truth of this since the push for the cheap labor amnest bill was presented by Amnesty John and company. I am very confident and will go point by point with anyone here on the issue.
Perhaps in the end I would say, I wonder exactly what you consider right wing.
Chakra Khan July 30th, 2008 8:23 pm
Was that supposed to be a comment?
Goose2 July 30th, 2008 8:30 pm
Very kind of you to say so.
Hollow point July 30th, 2008 9:25 pm
Couldn't agree more. And most Texans, especially along the border don't want the Damn wall. It won't do any good. Border Patrol and putting illegal employers will stop a lot of it. It consistently amazes me how "progressives" advocate for child labor, the loss of American workers jobs, the exploitation of poor ignorant people. Believe me, you don't have to talk about Palestinians, we have our own problem with the cheap labor advocates.
Araquin July 30th, 2008 10:09 pm
Kind of you to consider that. We are frying eggs on the sidewalk here, Transylvania might not be bad, mountains I believe? But if I'm deported it would have to be back to Ireland. Those are the rules.
Chakra Khan,
Since I've recently been to Transylvania, albeit briefly, I have to point out that it's a very fascinating and beautiful region with a rich history formed by many different ethnic groups who settled there.
I can think of quite a few places in America which are far more boring than Transylvania, so you might inadvertently be wanting to deport Thomas More to a place which is actually more exciting than where he is living right now...;-)
Goose
you forgot the 2000 illegals that cleaned the WTC and never got mentioned in the total.
As for the boarder, simple ( sorry I got this off another posting) You walk into the company that hires illegals and arrest the CEO etc and charge them. You don't need a wall between countries. Just make it illegal to hire illegals. If the owners are put in jail it will stop real fast. Then the kick backs and political pay off for the elected would stop and maybe have a real Gov.
I can not argue that he should have been admitted since I know nothing of his case. The key to the article is the thinking that anybody who does not accept the governments views is the same as one who endorses "terrorist" views. Visitors get their visas revoked for holding such views, even if they do not advocate terrorism or support known terrorists, and so are not terrorists. Thats the way it reads, and thats not good.
What about citizens. We now know they can get labelled as enemy combatants and detained without habeus corpus. A recent court case has interpreted the Military Commission Act accordingly, despite the Act saying it did not apply to citizens (if you read it though, it seems to imply if you are determined to be an enemy combatant you are then not a citizen) . If you are against the Iraq war or think Bush is a war criminal they might consider you to endorse "terrorist views". Perhaps they will be able to call you an enemy combatant and disappear you.
Perhaps you think things will change when Obama gets in. Consider this, in a 2006 Bilderberger meeting, Kissinger was quoted as saying "In America, we consider those who oppose Globalization to be terrorists". Obama is a committed globalist. So when he agrees to accept a world currency and give up the USD as the worlds reserve currency, turning the US economy into one looking like Zimbabwe, anyone who opposes this might be said to be holding terrorist views.
Now when Obama gets in and slams carbon caps and trading down some of our throats, others accepting it happily, AGW denialists will be considered "dangerous" (Kem already says this, and he of course is also a strong supporter of the offical version of 9/11). Of course, those at the top and in the shadows control the left and rights agendas.
I do not want to debate AGW, thats off topic, but I am linking it to this issue because this will be your "governments view" for the next 8 years and we should all agree people have a right to disagree without being called "dangerous" and then "terrorists". It's called Freedom of Speech, and should protected except in cases like someone yelling fire in crowded theater. But we seem to be moving away from freedoms of anything.
I happen to feel, rightly or wrongly, the consequences of "curing" AGW and further Globalization, will be just as damaging as the bogus GWOT has been for the last 8 years. The point is not if I am right or wrong, the point is that if you disagree that people have the right to hold such views because you strongly disagree with them, and that they should be labelled as terrorists, then you of course are no better than those neocon supporters of the last 8 years who call everyone who questions the GWOT a terrorist and unpatriotic.
get out as soon as you can people. If you are not in some great paying job with a pension then why not move.
There is a program on the CBC in Canada called The Passionate Eye. So many of their shows are banned in the US because they tell the truth. It was behind the lines in Iraq and showed on TV things I have never seen even on the web of US troops doing things. Fox just turned down a show called intelligence so I can't wait to watch that on TV.
Hmm. Let's see. Monica Goodling over at Justice vetted applicants in order to hire only those whose views corresponded with W and his ideological cronies. So, once hired, these ideological "soul-mates" had the discretion and _power_ to go after W's enemies.
May something "similar" have been at work in the State Department? I can understand how some mid to high-level bureaucrat with the "discretion" and unfettered power to do so may have denied Habib a visa...
Unfortunately, in immigration matters the Congress has plenary powers but guess which branch _enforces_ these powers? And guess what this W-biased Supreme Court will have to say about this lawsuit?
Our only hope, _again_, is to _pressure_ our Congressmen via letters, calls to let them know how _arbitrarily and capriciously_ the executive branch is enforcing the laws OUR Congress enacted...
All good bureaucrats, like some people in history books we've read about, hide behind the "I-was-just-following-orders" routine. It's time, We The People, stood up, stopped _enabling_ the excuse-makers, and put an end to this infantilizing nonsense.
Democracy is a form of government designed for adults by adults; the form of government made for stupid, immature children who must be protected from "dangerous ideas" is called despotism.
God save the Republic!
>>What are you doing here? What draws you to a left-leaning discussion board and article feed? I'm genuinely curious<<
I think he has a lot to offer. This is a board for progressives and fighting to stop the slavery of undocumented workers is a very progressive idea. Prosecuting the employers and deporting the illegals here are the two edges of the sword of social justice.
Without illegals, there would be jobs and the wages would rise if there were no longer any illegals to take them. There would be construction jobs, agriculture jobs, service jobs. Not that this would be totally wonderful and fulfilling work, but they would be jobs.
The argument that costs would rise is no argument, they would, but right now food especially in the US is artifically low compared to the rest of the world. As progressives, we NEED to be working to close our border, not to ideas certainly, but to the importation of slave labor from the south.
I think TM is welcome here and I agree with him on this issue.
I'm less worried about who can't get IN the country than who may in the near future not be able to get OUT
Hey, Thomas More...too bad the Indians didn't have a strong immigration policy.If they sis, they would have shipped your ancestors back to Transylvania
Thomas More: "I am really surprised. And there is nothing racist about this at all (make that not much) its strictly about economics."
Yeah - the economics of exclusion.
Everything you say on this site is consistently right-wing. Yet you aren't trolling, because you do seem to put thought into your posts.
What are you doing here? What draws you to a left-leaning discussion board and article feed? I'm genuinely curious.
Well, this is just in line with the practices of other great nations like Israel (Norman Finkelstein was recently denied entry and deported), China and Zimbabwe - and I'm sure that we'd be able to find other countries who do the same.
With the exception of Israel and the US, none of these others we might discover will be democracies, though.
Because: Keeping out or kicking out critics is normally one of the typical traits of a dictatorship.
And of a government that's full of fear.
Fear. Fear of the truth or a reasonable discussion of ideas which leads to better understanding and discovery of common ground.
This fear has been the hallmark of our foreign relations these last 8 years. And it has led to violence rather than peace.
To quote Winston Churchill, "It is better to jaw jaw than to war war."
Our governmental leadership, particularly Bush, in its own fear of inadequacy to "jaw jaw" in a sensible, non-egoist manner, hid behind guns and bluster and spilled innocent blood.
Keeping Habib or others out of the country, stifling the "jaw jaw" of ideas, the shaking of hands, the friendly hospitality only accentuates animosity and distrust.
I feel alot safer. I was really worried when i heard Cat Stevens almost entered the fatherland. And, oh yeah, freedom is on the march!
ladybug July 30th, 2008 2:58 pm
"Like it or not, this economy runs on their cheap labor, so I don't see why they cannot be welcome."
Surely you are not serious? You are the last person here I would eexpect to advocate exploitation of poor workers. They are illegal aliens, not undocumented workers. That a phrase invented by the racist organizations to help their Corporate funders.
There is plenty of rage towards illegal employers, but big business is using government, well meaning people, racist organizations, even unions to protect themselves. Its shameful.
I am really surprised. And there is nothing racist about this at all (make that not much) its strictly about economics.
...the implicit assumption in this story is that the USA is a desirable destination country for foreigners seeking a new home for whatever reason to come to, to live, to work, and to raise a family.
I for one question that assumption!
The USA is vastly overrated. Stop believing all the hype about how great the USA is...because it ain't. Especially since Reagan, and TOTALLY since Bush 2. The quality of life in the USA has significantly eroded, jobs have been exported, the government taken over by corporates. Americans live in a reality bubble that the corporates and the government perpetuate: that USA is the best, the most moral, the most prosperous, blah blah blah.
But it's not true!
Dear foreigners seeking a better life in USA: don't burn bridges where you are now. No, the grass is not greener here in "the land of lies" (USA). In all honesty, Europe is probably a better place to go. Or Canada. Both offer a far better, more civil living environment than "war on everything" USA, where you will have many, many difficulties.
Who the hell wants to see us move in ~Kloro~?
Censorship? In the US?!!! I am shocked!
it may be time to get out of here.
The "terrorist" list of the US government includes many Human Rights activists and anti-war activists. Visas have been denied for them.
Till few days back Nelson Mandela was in the "Terrorist" list of the US government, whereas he received Nobel Peace Prize long ago.
This highlights the US definition of "terrorism" and who a "terrorist" is. The history of the US activities in demolishing democracies, and supporting dictatorships around the world and terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda and Jundulla, exposes the REAL US.
So, it is not a surprise that Habib was not allowed to enter the US. For the US, this is a mark of a DEMOCRACY.
Augusto Pinochet, the US supported dictator of Chile, constructed a narrative of a critical fight against the forces of communism that threatened to take over the country, and that portrayed him to be the savior of the western civilization, and so freedom and democracy , in Chile. This fight, according to the dictator's narrative, required draconian measures to ensure safety and security, and freedom and democracy in the nation. Thus, he justified his dictatorship and cruelty towards the opponents of his rule, by depicting the latter as the cause of social disorder, and a threat to freedom and democracy.
I guess chessgames just read a few paragraphs and took advantage of an article that just happened to mention the word "immigration" to bitch and demonize undocumented workers.
Like it or not, this economy runs on their cheap labor, so I don't see why they cannot be welcome.
And if you answer is that they should apply for a visa, please get a clue. The US embassies around the world deny visitors visas even to people who are wealthy in their home countries and only want to come and visit, not to stay and work. So economic refugees (who by the way are mostly victims of NAFTA) have to sneak into the US illegally in order to support their families.
And by the way, why the rage is always oriented towards them and not the corporations who hire them or benefit from their cheap labor? Isn't it the stench of racism all over this debate?
Having one's reputation maligned by this U.S. government ought to be seen as a valuable credential. It is obvious to all but a few that this administration is beyond the pale of mature discourse. But apparently that's all right with the congressional leaders with the discretion to impeach the President and Vice-president. So we just have to wait it out and hope that next year there will be a more welcoming atmosphere for Professor Habib.
Thats exactly what the article says? Did you even read it?
Fortress America, security walls?? where?? Millions of undocumented workers have crossed and continue to cross the border unabated. The whole immigration and homeland security depart is really a big joke. Also, tell me what other country has totally open borders. This article is full of baloney. The problem here is not so much about immigration as freedom of expression.
This is how Things Fall Apart.