Anyone want to take any bets that Pelosi does nothing and lets this die?

Hang him high!

Well, good for them. Only about three years too late. This will result in an official, "Letter of Strong Dissappointment", but Pelosi will be afraid to sign it.

For some incomprehensible reason, Pelosi does not want to be associated with bringing any of the Bush administration people to justice. She wants to stay focused on purely domestic issues and more Democrats in Congress. It's as though she's either blinded herself to the urgent need for the rule of law or has herself broken the law (her refusal to bring the illegal torture of detainees to the attention of Congress way back when she had knowledge of it) and doesn't want to risk her own neck.

I don't think she'll allow this to go anywhere.

Rove is laughing at Democrats, as he should.

Even without Bush's pardon, Rove will be fine. He has so much dirt on Democrats, he knows they can't touch him. That's what happens when you elect Tweedledee to keep an eye on Tweedledum.

Kudos, Ms. Pelosi!
Keep up the good work and soon, very soon, the approval rating for Congress could rise to, shall we even dream it, above 10%.

Why, with your continued proficiency and leadership your approval rating could even rise enough to match George Bush's.

This is an example of Democrats doing a little bit of good. Just a little, but still some.

And a typically conccurrent example on Common Dreams where it is all black and white. All the Democrats are the same as Republicans allthe time.

Not true. In Congress now Democrats are trying to pass a Fuel Heating Oil Assistance Bill whlich would help the Poor.
Republcans are blocking it.

Sure they are all whores.
But the Republicans kick the door in and strongarm you halfway through the act.
The Democrats just F you for money and leave.

This is an example of Democrats doing a little bit of good. Just a little, but still some.

And a typically concurrent example on Common Dreams where it is all black and white. All the Democrats are the same or worse than the Republicans all the time.

Not true. In Congress now Democrats are trying to pass a Fuel Heating Oil Assistance Bill whlich would help the Poor.
Republcans are blocking it.

Republicans want to poke holes in the ANWR. Democrats are fighting this effort.

Sure they are all whores.
But the Republicans kick the door in and strong-arm you halfway through the act.
The Democrats just F you for money and leave.

I'm for fuel oil for poor, no drilling in the ANWR-little things, but Democrat led in Congress, Today and not un-typical.

All of this is bullsh*t. Do I hear "inherent contempt"? This is all meaningless foot dragging. Nothing will happen. It'll go to court for 6 months to a year. Oh, but we might get another strongly worded letter out of Conyers. Terrific........

Here's an idea: Send the Sergeant-at-arms to arrest Rove, Myers and the other foot draggers and bring them before Congress!

Congress can call anybody it wants to testify, whether or not said witness thinks their testimony is relevant to anything. The person called on is required by law to show up.

By wringing their hands and doing nothing, Congress has allowed an executive coup d'etat that puts an end to our system of checks and balances.

LoL! Nothing will come of this. Once again the Democrats will prove themselves ineffective except in lining their pockets.

Pelosi (and Conyers) have failed the American people… Vote for Cindy and wish her well and dump Pelosi and wish her good riddance. And send Rove to jail where he rightfully belongs.

There is a great amount of contempt and cynical rhetoric here but it is warranted considering the circumstances.

The Free Thinking Progressives who read the articles in CommonDreams as well as Altnet, the Nation and so many others; now have the impetus to come together and demand that the elected officials who are in power to control the excesses of the other elected officials get off the collective "buttocks" and prosecute. They certainly would be busy, might even qualify for "overtime pay"; in the form of REELECTION.

Keep in mind that the crimes that so many want an impeachment process to be directed at have statute of limitations, but the international crimes this administration has committed do not. In every other court of law the more serious crimes are prosecuted first, the lesser are often set aside, or at least take a lesser importance.

The people should not expect the Democrats to do as much as they have the power to do. If not for a few twists and turns of fate; the same complaints now levied against the Bush/Republicans could be just as likely to be applied to a Democratic Pres. They all are in the "septic tank" to get what they can from the mess that the American people have allowed to take place with their political arena.

In fact the system is so very corrupt that it would hardly matter who was elected to high offices in Washington, when the entire the system is corrupt, the people come along and join in and "feed the beast". They do not want reform any more than they want to see criminal charges brought against the Bush administration; it might impact them directly or in the future. Some might even be thinking "if not for fate/the grace of god/chance/ etc ; "I could be there".

The American people are the only answer to the problem they helped create with their own inaction in the past.

They can change it any time they want.

Hopefully the Progressive Movement will lead the way.

The Conservative movement could just as easily make it worse and might even be happy to do it for the Progressive movement.

The difference is in the action and who takes it to what direction.

re: Pelosi: 1) her hub is an MIC player/investor, so the pressure is there to let things be, 2)She was briefed, along with others on the torturing going on, and did nothing about it. She is afraid of getting drug down into the muck with the rest. Well, isn't that just great? Too late Senorita; capt. karma never forgets. Its just a matter of seeing how it all comes out, not if, but when I would say. Used to be things could be hidden, but now... not so likely.

Give The Great Doughy Nerd some of his own medicine: get one of his bow ties and hang him by his feet from a cage at Guantanamo. Then walk away and leave him there. Or there's always the 1984 Treatment: put his head in a cage full of starving rats. Then walk away and leave him there. You can also put Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer and Conyers in there with him. This will not put a stop to the empire or halt the decline of the republic; it would just feel so good that, at last, one or more of these contemptible villains GOT THEIRS.

Look! Its the White House Fat Ass Faggot, Karl Rove!

I bet he misses his boy-toy Jeff Gannon, fake news reporter/gay prostitute......

I have no confidence in Nancy Pelosi whatsoever. Her record is a disgrace.

Say what you will about Karl Rove, he is a fat, ugly bastard. Keep your children away!

The Romans had much more entertaining circuses.

And they handed out bread, too.

Ooh, I bet Rove is shaking in his boots!

Wait until Bush is out of office so he can't get a Presidential pardon, then prosecute him for high crimes.

Pelosi is very sorry. She will be even sorrier after she gets humiliated in the November election by CINDY SHEEHAN.

Rove and Ken Lay are in the finals of the Paraguay Country Club golf finals, he will be conviently out of country. Please send all correspondence to his lawyers, "Dewey, Cheatem and Howe!"

Conyers lied as he threw Cindy out of the hearings, Pelosi is complicit in TORTURE, she remained silent and did nothing. They are liars and pigs. Everytime I go there I need 10 showers more than the last hearing. Donate to Cindy every penny helps. Dennis is the only one that refuses to give up and they all laugh at him, except when Elizabeth walks by then they prove what pigs they are. Filth and liars.

Check this: I just sent to the Speaker's official email a plea to move forward on impeachment and indictments on any or all members of the Bush Administration (I'd rather use the Decidership). I then worded to Ms. Pelosi that she should stop worrying about what pundidts on Fox News or right wing hate radio would say about her (they slam her anyway anyway!) and start worrying about what history will ay about her, and what those who listen to Democracy Now, or watch Free Speech TV, or listen to Air America or Rhandi Rhodes or Ed Shultz, or read this and the other progressive blogs, might think about her! Don't know if it will work, but after emailing Feinstein, Boxer, Farr, and Pelosi about the illegality of the existence of the Bush Administration, I'm not going to stop until it really is too late, and it ain't too late yet for everyone who's progressive to email or phone Pelosi, and in doing so bitch slap her into moving foward on impeachment and indictment!

nancy pelosi said ""I will be asking Chairman Conyers to consider legislation to ensure that the politicization of hiring of career employees at the Justice Department never happens again," Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a statement."

That's right. Pass another law Nancy--obviously your laws leave Bush quaking in his boots. You sicken me. You deserve to lose in the coming election for not carrying out your constitutional responsibilities. Your failures are really no less severe than Bush's in that you are both bringing down our constitutional way of governance.

Of course, Congress has the right to question anybody. Rove was not elected by anybody, but was appointed by the target-in-chief, who IS entitled to executive privilege but not his minions nor EVEN his "brain."

Nancy will do nothing, she kisses bush admin ass and rove is a DICK

Does anyone but me suspect that Democrats in Congress were
the target of Bush's wiretapping. Someone must have some
information on them, for them to just roll over each and every time. Maybe they are all crooked scum-bags and it really doesn't matter which party is in control. Rove will
get a very lite slap on the hand at most, and everyone will
continue with the rape of liberty in America.

well for the most part it looks like" no business " or, "all for show business" politics as usual. Once again Pelosi shows in my opinion that she should be added to the Impeachment and Prosecution List. I am including a related story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-robinson/how-to-perform-a-citizens_b_1511

Seems some (well 4) have awoken, and while not a bridge in Boston this might be a start. At least it gives us more opitions since our illegal government officials refuse to really act and do their Constitutional Duties.
How long would any of us have our jobs and be collecting our pay if we did our job like these good for/do nothings in Congress. And what would be the number on your Prison garb if you acted like this Executive branch? Yet we continue to allow this to go on.

Is it time to awaken yet?

I must have missed something... is Pelosi really the Dictatorette Protem of the USA?

decrepittex,

You are right in your assertion that the Repugnicans have the goods on the Dimocraps who are complicit in this whole scandalous and embarrassing affair. This is why Pelosi will not put impeachment on the table. If Bush is incarcerated for torture, guess who is going to the slammer with him. Pelosi, Harman, Rockefeller, and Hoyer met behind closed doors to be briefed on torture and approved it. Pelosi, Hoyer, and Conyers had a private meeting before the impeachment information hearing to ensure nothing comes of it. Problem is, if the emperor has no clothes, neither do many Congresspeople.

Couldn't have happened to a more contemptable guy! We'll see what happens.....but I'm not holding my breath.

Here it is hours later and not one word out of you Democrat haters in response to my earlier posts-Other than the same tired Asshole calling me names-

But not one word in response to the points I made.

Same as yesterday when I made the SAME two points about the ANWR and the Heating Oil Bill-No Response because these are two clear illustrations of Democrats doing some good.

Anyone want to argue that? Intelligently?

Name calling is easier than refuting a question.

Obama '08

It's not beyond belief that Democrats are being blackmailed, or that they are unwilling to open any of these super-sized cans of worms because Democrats and their party will be discredited by the contents.

But the theory that the Democrats are compromised by threats of extortion is far from necessary to explain their unwillingness to act.

The fact that the Democrats and Republicans are monstrous conjoined twins in the first place explains why the seemingly weaker twin is unwilling to raise a hand to the stronger.

This fundamental truth doesn't preclude the possibility that the Democrats may occasionally produce bits of legislation that don't stink to high heaven, and actually do some good. Even a bought-and-sold blind pig might turn up an acorn now and then to toss to loyal constituents. The pig (pardon my metaphor-jumping) actually has a pretty good nose for offering a modicum of rewards necessary to maintain the trust and hope of desperate supporters.

I cannot help but recall this report about some comments Pelosi made about who's "in charge":

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in a determinedly good mood when she sat down to lunch with reporters yesterday. She entered the room beaming and, over the course of an hour, smiled no fewer than 31 times and got off at least 23 laughs.

But her spirits soured instantly when somebody asked about the anger of the Democratic "base" over her failure to end the war in Iraq.

"Look," she said, the chicken breast on her plate untouched. "I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things -- Buddhas? I don't know what they were -- couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk."

Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

Though opposed to the war herself, Pelosi has for months been a target of an antiwar movement that believes she hasn't done enough. Cindy Sheehan has announced a symbolic challenge to Pelosi in California's 8th Congressional District. And the speaker is seething.

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902006_pf.html

The rest of the report is not much better.

Blah blah blah. Most of what the commentators here say is true. Yet, they will continue to vote for either one of the 2 criminal parties and continue to hope for the best. It aint gonna happen folks. Vote for almost anyone except the Dems and the Repugs!

I think the other politicians hated Bill Clinton getting a blow job because they only give them.

Karl Rove needs a perp walk more than any living being, with the possible exceptions of Shotgun Dick and Bu$h the inferior.

Anney writes:

"For some incomprehensible reason, Pelosi does not want to be associated with bringing any of the Bush administration people to justice."

I'm afraid it's not at all incomprehensible, anney. The Democratic Party is part of the same con game as the Republican Party. The Democrats and the Republicans are two wings of the same party, The Business Party.

As for investigating the Republicans on Iraq, the Democratic leadership knows that if they investigate Bush and the Republicans on Iraq, that before they get very far they'll run head-on into their own criminal complicity in the War.

So the Democratic leadership tries to give the impression that they're "doing something" -- especially (surprise!) before the November election -- e.g., shallow, toothless, impeachment hearings ... grandstand rumblings about Rove ... "outrage" at the price of oil. Ya-da-da, ya-da-da, ya-da-da.

Oh yeah, but I forgot, they're soooooooooooooo powerless. After all, they only have control of both houses of Congress. What-can-they-do? What-can-they- do?

To paraphrase that great American philosopher, Don Vito Corlieone, vis-a-vis Johnny Fontaine: "You can act like an oppositional party!!!"

Which of course will never happen. Because for the Democratic Party to act as a genuine oppositional party, they'd have to doublecross their corporate paymasters -- the same corporate paymasters the Republican Party is beholden to.

The only solution is to establish a viable third party movement in the United States.

If the Democrats win the White House in November, their investigations and outrages will be just as "status quo-maintaining" as they are now. (Plus a change, plus c'est la meme chose.) ...

The only alternative is a *real* alternative. Vote McKinney, or else vote Nader, or else vote socialist. Don't passively accept the political duopoly, a.k.a, the Republican/Democratic -- Business
-- Party.

Voting along party lines, the House Judiciary Committee said that Rove had broke the law by

HAD BROKE THE LAW

Who edits for AP?

BFD! Big F*#%ing Deal !

I'm sure Turdblossom is really scared now.
Ms. "Off the Table" has lost any credibility she had.
I sure hope the SanFran voters kick her to the curb.

Let her, Conyers, Reid and the rest of the invertebrate Dems get spinal implants before they are allowed back in D.C.

I've been reasding and posting at commondreams for a while now and I would bet that the overwhelming majority of commondreams readers and posters agree with the overwhelming sentiments of the posters in thei particular thread, i.e., that Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the Democratic leadership are spineless, corporate-bought, corporate-controlled shills.

Two-thirds of the American public is against the war in Iraq. Who represents these millions of Americans? Certainly not the Business Party, that is to say, the Democratic/Republican Party.

The same is true of not just rhe War but virtually every other domestic and international issue -- the Democrats and the Republicans represent the narrow, oligarchic interests of the economic elite.

How can that be stopped by constantly "voting-for-the-lesser-of-the-two-evils"? While, all the while, the political consensus moves more and more to the right.

And what have we done today....how many have emailed or called their Representatives.....oh they don't listen anyway....did you check out my earlier link, there is one possibility of something different you might try......then there is taking to the streets ...talking to friends and strangers to see how they feel....have you considered one of the other parties aside from the two do nothing double stink twins of dems and repubs... what you waing for them to take care of you or even do their Constitutional Duty?

Well they are taking care of us and by the time you figure out the plan what do you think is going to be left?.....Constitution...gone, appears null and void....regulations of corporations, gone......banking regulations...gone along with some folks homes.
How long do you think the FDIC can continue to absorb banks? jobs well hey minimum wages are rising and this is something Pelosi and crew thought was more important than the Constitution?

The impeachment list should include all who have broken with the Constitution and their oaths of office dems and repubs...or else 'merica might just be gone for good.

Time to Awaken and TCB cause doesn't appear we can count on any better than we're putting up with from Washington. Any intelligent discussions
yeah that's a laugh

In a previous post in this thread, Lisa wrote:

"Here it is hours later and not one word out of you Democrat haters in response to my earlier posts... Obama '08"

OK, Lisa, I'm game. Here are ….

15 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA. … (Vote 3rd Party instead!!!)

1.) Barack Obama supports the US presence in Iraq. His position went from that of a "peace candidate" during the primaries to what it is now. That is to say, Barack Obama *now* says that he will defer to the judgment of the commanders in the field. On July 2, 2008, in a speech in Colorado Springs, Obama stated:

"I have always said I would listen to the commanders on the ground. I have always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability."

In other words: I may withdraw troops in 16 months; but, if conditions change, I may not.

Meaning: Obama's current position on Iraq is essentially the same as that John McCain and George Bush.

(Continued)

2.) Months ago, Barack Obama, along with the rest of the Senate, gave George Bush the green light to invade Iran. (The Senate to Bush -- If you invade Iran, we won't object.)

3.) Obama now wants to escalate the war in Afghanistan. In a July 14th "New York Times" op-ed piece, Obama proposed sending 10,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

Interestingly enough, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen, also feel that there are an insufficient number of troops in Afghanistan. And guess how many additional troops they recommend be deployed in Afghanistan -- the same number as Barack Obama, 10,000.

Note: Less than 24-hours after Obama's aforementioned "New York Time" op-ed piece, George Bush, in a White House press conference, indicated that the US and its NATO allies were already initiating a "surge" in Afghanistan.

(Continued)

4.) Obama has threatened to invade Pakistan. Quoting Obama from the above-cited op-ed piece:

"The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan. We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as president, I won't. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps and to crack down on cross-border insurgents.

"We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."

(Continued)

5.) In the same July 2, 2008 speech in Colorado Springs cited above, Obama praised the US military and vowed to increase its ranks. Obama has called for an overall increase of American ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 marines, and "investing in the capabilities we need to defeat conventional foes and meet the unconventional challenges of our time."

Last year, writing in "Foreign Affairs" magazine, Barack Obama wrote:

"We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future. We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests. But we must also become better prepared to put boots on the ground in order to take on foes that fight asymmetrical and highly adaptive campaigns on a global scale."

In short, Obama supports two wars now in progress (Iraq and Afghanistan) and has shown a clear-cut willingness to engage in two more wars (Iran and Pakistan). … Does that sound like a critic of the military-industrial complex or an enabler of the military-industrial complex?

(Continued)

6.) Afghanistan is the 20th country the United States has bombed since the end of World War II. *Before* Bush started bombing Afghanistan, one out of every 7 Afghans were either starving or in imminent danger of starving. I don't have a statistic on what the current ratio is. I assume it's much worse. … This is the country that Obama wants to send more US troops to -- more US firepower to -- more US military contracts and military contractors to.

7.) Obama has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $450 billion.

8.) The Pentagon budget is over $500 billion dollars a year. Obama wants to increase that budget.

9.) The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are currently costing the US taxpayer
15 billion dollars per month. See http://www.costofwar.com/ Note: The vast majority of the 15 billion dollars per month is going into the hands of those who profit from America's military-industrial complex.

(Continued)

10.) Over 1 million Iraqis have died as a result of Gulf War II. See the following http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/31/6768/ … Quoting from an article by Patrick Martin, "Obama Backs Long-Term US Military Presence in Iraq" –
"In an interview with Newsweek correspondent Richard Wolffe, published on the magazine's web site Saturday (July 26th), Obama emphasized that his policy in Iraq was one of 'phased withdrawal,' in which US troops could remain in large numbers in Iraq for many years. 'They're going to need our help for some time,' he said."
11.) Obama voted to confirm Condeleeeza Rice, as well as a host of other Bush nominees.

12.) In 2006, Obama went out of his way to campaign for Joe Lieberman.

13.) Obama voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act.

14.) Obama voted for the F.I.S.A. bill – after vowing not to.

(Continued)

Oops, I forgot Reasons 6 to 9 ...

6.) Afghanistan is the 20th country the United States has bombed since the end of World War II. *Before* Bush started bombing Afghanistan, one out of every 7 Afghans were either starving or in imminent danger of starving. I don't have a statistic on what the current ratio is. I assume it's much worse. … This is the country that Obama wants to send more US troops to -- more US firepower to -- more US military contracts and military contractors to.

7.) Obama has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $450 billion.

8.) The Pentagon budget is over $500 billion dollars a year. Obama wants to increase that budget.

9.) The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are currently costing the US taxpayer
15 billion dollars per month. See http://www.costofwar.com/ Note: The vast majority of the 15 billion dollars per month is going into the hands of those who profit from America's military-industrial complex.