Let's Give 'Blue Dogs' the Boot
Pushing conservative Democrats out of Congress could help the party stand up to the GOP.
In American politics, exceedingly few positions generate overwhelming agreement across the ideological spectrum. Even propositions that ought to be uncontroversial -- such as whether there is scientific evidence for evolution or whether Saddam Hussein personally planned the 9/11 attacks -- produce sizable portions of the citizenry lined up on each side. One notable exception to this rule is the issue of whether the current U.S. Congress is doing a poor job. That question produces a remarkable consensus that is close to unanimous.
Earlier this month, Rasmussen Reports announced the humiliating finding that "the percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits [9 percent] for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history." That extremely negative view of Congress cuts across partisan and ideological lines, as only small percentages of Democrats (13 percent), Republicans (8 percent) and independents (3 percent) believe that Congress is doing an "excellent" or even a "good" job. Perhaps most remarkable, some polls -- such as one from Fox News last month -- reveal that the Democratic-led Congress is actually more unpopular among Democrats than among Republicans, with 23 percent of Republicans approving of Congress compared with only 18 percent of Democrats. One would be hard-pressed to find a time in modern American history, if such a time exists at all, when a Congress was more unpopular among the party that controls it than among voters from the opposition party.
That a Democratic Congress is so deeply unpopular even among Democrats may be historically unusual, but it is hardly surprising or difficult to understand. On key issue after key issue, it is the Bush White House and Republican caucus that have received virtually everything they wanted from Congress, while the base of the Democratic Party has received virtually nothing other than disappointment and an overt repudiation of its agenda. Since the American people gave them control of Congress, the Democrats in Congress have given the country the following:
Unlimited and unconditional funding for the Iraq war. Vast new warrantless eavesdropping powers and retroactive amnesty for their telecom donors -- measures the administration tried, but failed, to obtain from the GOP Congress. The ability to ignore congressional subpoenas with utter impunity. A resolution formally decreeing parts of the Iranian government to be a "terrorist organization." A failure to outlaw waterboarding, to apply the torture ban to the CIA, to restore the habeas corpus rights abolished by the Military Commissions Act of 2006, to impose the requirement of congressional approval before President Bush can attack Iran. Confirmation of highly controversial Bush nominees, including Michael Mukasey as attorney general even after he embraced the most radical Bush theories of executive power and repeatedly refused to say that waterboarding was torture.
Other than (arguably) the resignation of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general and a very modest increase in the minimum wage (enacted in the first month after Democrats took control of Congress), one is hard-pressed to identify a single event or issue since November 2006 that would have been meaningfully different had the GOP retained control of Congress. The Congress of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi has been every bit as passive, impotent and complicit as the Congress of Bill Frist and Denny Hastert was. Worse, in contrast to the Frist/Hastert-led Congress, which at least had the excuse that it enabled a wartime president from its own party while he enjoyed high approval ratings, the Reid/Pelosi Congress has capitulated to every presidential whim despite an "opposition party" president who is now one of the most unpopular in modern American history. It's difficult to imagine how even Reid and Pelosi themselves could contest the claim that the Democratic-led Congress, from the perspective of Democratic voters, has been a profound failure.
With those depressing facts assembled, the only question worth asking among those who are so dissatisfied with congressional Democrats is this: What can be done to change this conduct? As proved by the 2006 midterm elections -- which the Democrats dominated in a historically lopsided manner -- mindlessly electing more Democrats to Congress will not improve anything. Such uncritical support for the party is actually likely to have the opposite effect. It's axiomatic that rewarding politicians -- which is what will happen if congressional Democrats end up with more seats and greater control after 2008 than they had after 2006 -- only ensures that they will continue the same behavior. If, after spending two years accommodating one extremist policy after the next favored by the right, congressional Democrats become further entrenched in their power by winning even more seats, what would one expect them to do other than conclude that this approach works and therefore continue to pursue it?
If simply voting for more Democrats will achieve nothing in the way of meaningful change, what, if anything, will? At minimum, two steps are required to begin to influence Democratic leaders to change course: 1) Impose a real political price that they must pay when they capitulate to -- or actively embrace -- the right's agenda and ignore the political values of their base, and 2) decrease the power and influence of the conservative "Blue Dog" contingent within the Democratic caucus, who have proved excessively willing to accommodate the excesses of the Bush administration, by selecting their members for defeat and removing them from office. And that means running progressive challengers against them in primaries, or targeting them with critical ads, even if doing so, in isolated cases, risks the loss of a Democratic seat in Congress.
Those goals are the basis of the recent campaign that I helped launch -- along with progressive bloggers such as Jane Hamsher and the Blue America PAC -- to target selected Democratic members of Congress who have been responsible for some of the worst acts of complicity and capitulation. The campaign we launched, which raised over $350,000 in a very short time largely from dissatisfied progressives, has run multimedia ads criticizing the likes of Blue Dog Rep. Chris Carney and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, despite the fact that neither has a primary challenger and despite the fact that Carney is quite vulnerable in his reelection effort this year.
The Blue America campaign also ran ads against Blue Dog Rep. John Barrow in Georgia, who did have a progressive primary challenger, state Sen. Regina Thomas. It was always clear that Barrow was highly likely to defeat Thomas in the primary. It was also clear that if Thomas beat the odds and won the primary, her chances of beating the Republican in the general election was far less than the chances of the more conservative and incumbent Barrow, who himself had to fight hard to win reelection in 2006. Knowing that a Barrow defeat in the primary might make a Republican win more likely in November, Blue America nonetheless ran ads against him. We believed that even if Barrow prevailed in his primary (as he ultimately did), the ad campaign against him would undermine his reputation in his district and could thus force Barrow, the Blue Dog caucus and the Democratic leadership to devote far more resources to defending his seat for November. That is what it means to attach a price to trampling on the political values of Democratic supporters.
Barrow and the two other two solidly pro-war Democrats targeted -- Carney and Hoyer -- were not merely supporters, but vocal and active leaders, of the effort to have Congress give to George W. Bush the sweeping new warrantless eavesdropping powers and telecom immunity Bush demanded. Why would any progressive want to see that behavior rewarded by having those three safely reelected? Given the certainty of Democratic control under all circumstances, what possible benefit comes from their seamless return to power?
Many progressives and other Democratic supporters are reflexively opposed to any conduct that might result in the defeat of even a single, relatively inconsequential Democratic member of Congress or the transfer of even a single district to GOP control. No matter how dissatisfied such individuals might be with the Democratic Congress, they are unwilling to do anything different to change what they claim to find so unsatisfactory. Even though uncritically cheering on any and every candidate with a "D" after his or her name has resulted in virtually nothing positive -- and much that is negative -- many progressives continue, rather bafflingly and stubbornly, to insist that if they just keep doing the same thing (cheering for the election of more and more Democrats), then somehow, someday, something different might occur. But, as the cliché teaches, repeatedly engaging in the same conduct and expecting different results is the very definition of foolishness.
As foolish as it is, this intense aversion to jeopardizing any Democratic incumbents might be considered rational if doing so carried the risk of restoring Republican control of Congress. But there is no such risk, and there will be none for the foreseeable future. No matter what happens, the Democrats, by all accounts, are going to control both houses of Congress after the 2008 election. Their margin in the House, which is currently 31 seats, will, by even the most conservative estimates, increase to at least 50 seats. No advertising campaign or activist group could possibly swing control of Congress to the Republicans this year, and -- given the Brezhnev-era-like reelection rates for incumbents in America -- it is extremely unlikely that the House will be controlled by anyone other than Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi for years to come.
The critical question, then, is not who will control Congress. The Democrats will. That is a given. The vital question is what they will do with that control -- specifically, will they continue to maintain and increase their own power by accommodating the right, or will they be more responsive, accountable and attentive to the political values of their base?
As long as they know that progressives will blindly support their candidates no matter what they do, then it will only be rational for congressional Democrats to ignore progressives and move as far to the right as they can. With the blind, unconditional support of Democrats securely in their back pocket, Democratic leaders will quite rationally conclude that the optimal way to increase their own power, to transform more Republican districts into Blue Dog Democratic seats, and thereby make themselves more secure in their leadership positions, is to move their caucus to the right. Because the principal concern of Democratic leaders is to maintain and increase their own power, they will always do what they perceive is most effective in achieving that goal, which right now means moving their caucus to the right to protect their Blue Dogs and elect new ones.
That is precisely what has happened over the past two years. It is why a functional right-wing majority has dominated the House notwithstanding the change of party control -- and the change in direction -- that American voters thought they were mandating in 2006. As progressive activist Matt Stoller put it, "Blue Dogs are the swing voting block in the House, they are self-described conservatives, and they are perfectly willing to use their status on every action considered by the House." The more the Democratic leadership accommodates the Blue Dog caucus -- the more their power relies upon expanding their numbers through the increase of Blue Dog seats -- the less relevant will be the question of which party controls Congress.
The linchpin for that destructive strategy is uncritical progressive support for congressional Democrats. That is what ensures that Democratic leaders will continue to pursue a rightward-moving strategy as the key to consolidating their own power. Right now, when it comes time to decide whether to capitulate to the demands of the right, Beltway Democrats think: "If we capitulate, that is one less issue the GOP can use to harm our Blue Dogs." And they have no countervailing consideration to weigh against that, because they perceive -- accurately -- that there is no cost to capitulating, only benefits from doing so, because progressives will blindly support their candidates no matter what they do. That is the strategic calculus that must change if the behavior of Democrats in Congress is to change.
Democratic leaders must learn that they cannot increase their majority in Congress by trampling on the political values of their own base. It's crucial that they understand that they will not gain seats, but will lose seats, the more they accommodate the right's agenda. That, in turn, will happen only if progressives target for defeat selected members of the Democratic caucus who are responsible for that right-wing-enabling behavior. That is the only way to eliminate the incentive for the Democratic leadership to continue to follow the strategy of increasing their own power by mimicking Republicans. Those who disagree with that -- who object that it is oh-so-terrible to cause the defeat of any Democratic incumbents, no matter how complicit and irrelevant -- have the responsibility to identify what alternative strategy they think should be pursued in order to alter the behavior of the Democratic Party in Congress.
Defeating scattered, individual Democratic incumbents -- even if it means that a Republican wins -- will result in nothing negative. What is the difference -- specifically -- if Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel have a 43-seat margin of control rather than a 56-seat margin? There is no difference. Far more important than the size of the Democrats' majority is the question of who is dominating and controlling that majority.
At the moment, the Blue Dog contingent is dominant in the Democratic caucus and drives much of what the caucus does. The more Blue Dogs there are in the Democratic caucus, the more dominant they will be. Changing the face of Congress requires, first and foremost, that the face of the Democratic caucus change, that its strategic incentive scheme be altered. Until progressives make Democratic leaders pay a price for their allegiance to the right's agenda -- the only price that politicians recognize: having their power diminished and jeopardized -- then none of this will change. It will only continue to worsen.
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
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106 Comments so far
Show AllWhy the cutesy "in the know" beltway name for opportunist rightists in the Democratic Party? They have abetted too much misery and death to have a name like Blue Dog. Dogs are nice and useful animals.
Why not just call them Right Wing Democrats? Or The Accomplices? Or the Crypts? I cannot really think of an appropriate name.
But I fully approve of targeting them for unelection. Cindy Sheehan may not be an ideal candidate in some ways, but we give money to her as a message.
Blue Dogs need to be put down.
I was once approached by a student with a petittion calling for term limits.
I said "Why would you want to get rid of our current Congressman?" (who is a long term liberal and voted against the war from the start)
She said - "Sorry, I don't know much about politics."
But I saw a steady stream of people coming out of the library signing that petittion! Obviously all those signers were really pissed off at Congress (and the uninformed petittioner was being paid by ....?).
If we have term limits - Just think what kind of bribes, lies, and coverups will happen in the media if "New" Repugs and Demoks have to be paraded out every 8 years - like the rediculous Presidential elections we have now!
And why should we be forced to retire people that we would want to vote for? The real term limit - should be the power of the voters to get rid of corrupt politicians by voting them out, based on what they have done while in office - not on what they say (lie). Although, I realize that Voters have very few "Powers" left, since BushCo. has taken over, and the sheeple are misinformed about everything they could potentially vote for. The more the government cuts education (while forcing people to be in school) and consolidates the info-tainment media - the less people know and the more entrenched these corrupt entities get.
By advocating term limits while the debates have been closed to any candidate that will challenge the two branches of the Corporate party - we're setting ourselves up for a worse situation than we have now.
I think we'd be more empowered if we could use our vote to TAKE AWAY a vote from someone - Imagine the power of that during the last election - Bush would have lost for sure.
EXACTLY CORRECT Greenwald.
But let's not forget the Republican-lite DLC - YES! Including Bill & Hillary.
There are Damed few Democrats left in either house. They cannot fight the Reich when they have been infiltrated by the Reich.
We are witnessing Rove's "Permanent Republican Majority" in the Form of Blue Dogs and DLC and it must be stopped
Juliania >> yes! A huge upsurge in Green registration would be the most concrete and specific signal that progressives could send to the Democrats. (and yeah, some bucks would also help!!)
Mark Twain over a century ago wrote something to the effect that Congress was "our only native criminal class."
As long as CongrHessians control billions in goodies to dispense, the corruption will continue.
Glenn:
I couldn't agree with you more, but I'll go further: we need to create a third party focused solely on getting 15-20 House seats - no POTUS slate, just getting wedge power in the House. That would certainly shake things up, don't you think?
Here's a quote from my journal: http://theheraclitanfire.blogspot.com/
"What If some interested people were to begin building a political party organization - call it the True Democratic Party, for example, with a clear focus on the 2010 elections. Traditionally the party in power loses some seats in the off-year election, given BHO's track record to date I would expect serious 'buyer's remorse' if he should get elected, certainly McCain would not be likely to still be a crowd pleaser. Moreover, the seething anger that many of us feel toward the Gang of Four (Pelosi, Dean, Reid and Brazile - with a sly reference to their Maoist forebears) will, no doubt, be exacerbated by the time the 2010 elections roll around. The purpose of the True Democratic Party would be to pick the 50 most vulnerable Congressional districts and work to take at least 36 away from the Democrats. This would bring the Democratic House seat count to 212, that is 1 vote shy of a majority. Even half that many seats would scare the bejeebers out of the Gang of Four and would very likely lead to a significant amount of attention paid to the needs of True Democratic Party members by both major parties. This is called 'leverage', it is also what they call the "dish best served cold."
re Rockerbabe1 July 30th, 2008 1:42 pm
term limits for the president were a direct ruling class response to the fourth term of FDR, who had gone too far for their tastes in empowering and benefitting the people---had he lived, he might have won a fifth term, since a majority of the people apparently saw something in him that they approved of.
we already have the tools necessary for getting rid of the corrupt, crazy and incompetent: elections, recall and impeachment. term limits therefore aren't needed, and in fact, can be detrimental for reasons previously stated.
the debate as to whether judges in general should be appointed or have to stand for election will probably never be settled. in theory, the supremes are above partisan politics (empirical evidence to the contrary notwithstanding) because their appointments are for life.
let's not dump the constitution, or disempower ourselves, over the crimes of a handful of miscreants. let's hold them to account under the existing laws, as rep. kucinich is trying to do.
hazmat: the President is limited to only 2 terms of office and that amendment to the Constitution occured only 60+ years ago! Our government is just that "our" government; currently these bozos in office seem to think they are entitled to be corrupt, make tons of money for selling the citizenry out and get reelected for allowing the President to engage in his own corrupt behavior because the dems won't do their duty. We have seen way too much of this type of behavior from both parties over the years and it needs to stop. Being elected to high public office is a priviledge and not a right; lets make it important again as well as responsive to the citizens' needs. Term limits for everyone including the Court!
Rich M see your points - ok well taken.
I know this is not the history web site and if we had another few posts some folks would tune out - soooo I 'll drop it. At least we agree one the most salient of points. Ya know - I think the other guys to the right of us probably would say the same thing about the subject.
Poor Mike Bin, the only thing the Cat can do is prop up mediocrity.
marc (11:41) - You had written, "...if folks want a revolution lets make it a peaceful one - not like the last one - the war of northern aggression."
Your phrasing gave me the (possibly incorrect) impression that you were considering the Civil War from the viewpoint of the North. I do see reasons why that war might be considered one of northern aggression. I don't see how one could consider it an attempted "revolution" by the North. It was an armed attempt to impose a certain order on the South. Aggression Yes; revolution No.
From the viewpoint of the South, I don't think the word "revolution" fits. They were trying to secede, arguing that the federal government was usurping what should be states' rights. An attempt at secession is not the same thing as revolution. They weren't trying to change the North, or impose any new arrangement upon the North (beyond compelling the return of runaway slaves, which they considered their property).
"..If we are to change, should we the people have a say on the matter?.."
- Yes, obviously. Are you suggesting that only our rulers should have a say?
"...gutless worms? is it necesary to insult the worms!...."
- Yes, it is. We should be clear on the kinds of underlying attitudes motivating the various positions. Your own description of the worms' attitudes was quite accurate: "...We're all too happy and lazy with our ESPN, Red sox….The men who began the first revolution designed to sever the ties to England were MEN - we are just boys enjoying the final lazy hazy days of their hard work."
We need to deal in practicalities. As a low-income person with practical priorities, the one thing I CAN do, (and have done) is switch my party affiliation from Independent to Green. I can still vote as I wish, but now I am counted among that two percent as supporting the Green platform, which I do.
Independents make up the largest voting bloc there is, but they are amorphous - who knows what they support? Both Democrats and Republicans claim their allegiance and strategize accordingly. Just think what a difference it would make to the general outlook if we all went Green. And if that party now is only two percent of the population, it seems to me that such a movement would ensure that those of us coming to swell the ranks would be creating influence within the party as well - that can only be a good thing.
And a few dollars in support of that baby, that is going to count as well. Seems like win-win to me.
I must disagree with the last point of Rich M. At the conclusion of the war between the states, the question of states rights versus federal supremecy in crafting law was settled. It was revolutionary because, from 1865 onward, the role of the federal government has been steadily increasing in size and scope. Any lingering questions that the founders had about the role of state legislators and governors was settled at Appomatox Couthouse with the surrender of the Army of N. Va. I am always interested in hearing other opinions on the matter - its interesting conversation.
Problems that nations face are in the eye of the beholder, RichM. I don't know if the founders ever intended us to change the US govt. based upon the problems the world faces. If we are to change, should we the people have a say on the matter?
gutless worms? is it necesary to insult the worms!
"A violent revolution is no revolution at all; the real revolution is against violence itself."
marc melchiori (10:30 am) is quite right about one thing in his short post at 10:30, & but misses by a mile on most of the rest.
His best point is this: "I hardly think most folks on this site...have the stomach for revolution or a even a change in the status quo. We're all too happy and lazy with our ESPN, Red sox....The men who began the first revolution designed to sever the ties to England were MEN - we are just boys enjoying the final lazy hazy days of their hard work."
- This is pretty accurate. It's vividly illustrated by all the gutless worms still willing to support Democrats.
On the other hand, he writes:
"Govt's should not be changed for light and transient causes..."
- The ugly problems we're facing today are not "light & transient." The whole planet is under serious threat - environmentally, economically & militarily - by the cancer of the US political & economic system.
"if folks want a revolution lets make it a peaceful one - not like the last one - the war of northern aggression...."
- Even if a movement against the present system had perfect discipline & 100% commitment to nonviolence, there would still be violence. It would come not from the movement, but from the rulers whose iron grip is threatened. // And: the Civil War was not a "revolution," though one could reasonably consider it a war of aggression.
And by the way, one way that progressives could send a message to the DLC/Blue Dogs is very simple and painfully obvious: VOTE FOR GREENS.
Let's face it: the Democratic Party should split up. The progressives in the "Wellstone wing" should leave the Blue Dogs and the DLC. Let them hook up with the few moderate Republicans that are left and form a real centrist party. Then progessives could focus their attention on addressing the concerns of working people and the poor without being frustrated and coopted at every turn.
For that matter, the GOP should also be broken up, between the plutocrats and the theocrats - the libertarian Republicans should go where they belong (the LP, of course), and the warmonger hyperpatriots can go join the Constitution Party or somesuch.
Govt's should not be changed for light and transient causes - sounds like most of the concerns of CD bloggers. Sirs, please, if folks want a revolution lets make it a peaceful one - not like the last one - the war of northern aggression. I hardly think most folks on this site, or even those in the opposite side of the political spectrum who clamor for a revolution as well, have the stomach for revolution or a even a change in the status quo. Were all to happy and lazy with our ESPN, Red sox, CD blogging and recreational drug use. The men who began the first revolution designed to sever the ties to England were MEN - we are just boys enjoying the final lazy hazy days of their hard work.
And what will replace the "system" with and how long will it be before that new "system" become corrupt? And then what?
I can tell you this from Massachusetts, that John Kerry is in his last term as a senator. The spineless do-nothing who learned nothing from Vietnam, Watergate and all the rest is toast. I hate to say it but MA will probably elect a repuglican before sending Kerry to another term. What a waste of skin.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, THAT WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT AND INSTITUTE A NEW GOVERNMENT laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. BUT WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM TO ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SAID GOVERNMENT, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
re BugsBBunny III July 30th, 2008 2:45 am
who writes "Term limits is just… this semi-permanent elite … is a bust.
Or haven't you noticed the state of our country?"
strongly disagree. term limits is a bad idea on several grounds:
---it's antidemocratic in that we lose the right to vote for a candidate who we feel represents us. if we have to bench our starter, it should be for reasons other than it simply being the end of the quarter;
---the nature of government is such that its business must have continuity. some parts of it are inevitably permanent, such as the sprawling bureaucracy collectively known as civil service. it takes a new congresscritter a while to learn the ropes, so to have to regularly replace members who have just accumulated some experience with a crew of greenhorns would seem to be a recipe for a shipwreck;
---more rapid turnover of committee chairs would create chaos, with fumbling, confusion and bottlenecks replacing the orderly flow of legislative business;
---term limits are at worst a ruling class gimmick, and at best a poor substitute for comprehensive electoral reform, which would have as its overarching theme the restoration of political power to the citizens and away from corporate "persons."
and yes, i've "noticed the state of our country." a quick resort to sarcasm adds no intellectual weight to your argument.
And which representative will vote NO to keeping military base XYZ open - after all the base is vital to national security, jobs in the district, prestige etc. On the other hand which representative is going to vote NO when it comes to defending Europe, Israel, Australia, .............. and the list goes on.
Yet tell me, are there any members of Congress that propose a fair way to pay for all these goodies?
why a 9% approval rating. We love our congressman but hate Congress. As long as senator schlomo or Representative Schlomata are returning tax dollars to my district for ________________ (fill in the blank) than he is ok by me. Just try getting elected by informing your constituents that project _________________ (fill in the blank) is a waste of taxpayer money and not worthy of consideration. Maybe we, the people, have finaly figured out how to vote ourselves an ever bigger piece of a increasingly shrinking pie. The solution is for us, the people, to not be sooooo glutenous.
Hmmmmm - "Blue Dog Democrat". Are those the words we now use to describe Republicans in Democrats' clothing? It's hard enough to tell a normal Republican from a normal Democrat judging from their voting records and support for any damned thing defense contractors want to do.
"The vital question is what they will do with that control"
We can predict with 99% certainty what the Demoks will do with that control of Congress. They will do what they think will get them re-elected, which includes paying back their corporate sponsors and staying the illegal course blazed by Repuks. That is if third parties would magically go away. But they're not going away, and when third parties get 10 to 20% of the vote, the Demoks will be fumbling, and losing their control.
Mean_while ...
"Republican Video Mocks Obama's Visit to Berlin
Deutsche Welle, Germany - 1 hour ago
Set to a pulsing techno beat, a new web parody links Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to David Hasselhoff and Che Guevara. ..."
...set to the tune of Jump Jim Crow perhaps?
zaz July 29th, 2008 6:43 pm
(and Cindy for that matter) I think her/your website needs an update then.
http://www.cindyforcongress.org/article.php?list=type&type=14
"Every signature gets us closer to getting on the ballot. Here's how you can help.
If you live in the district and can sign or collect signatures here's what we need you to do:"
I assumed that "gets us closer" means she/you wasn't there yet.
But, grats that you made it Cindy. Best of Luck!!!
zaz July 29th, 2008 6:43 pm
". The only viably third party I can think of would be a"....
Again, i' under no delusions that the green party is viable for a majority at this time, but i even agaree with the ideologs here and the rest of the country for that matter that is giving them a 9% rating that what we've seen in the last year as been dismal. I know they would rather lose a few battles to win the war. I know that the minute Obama beat Clinton, he swung to the center to focus on the swing voters. Hell, it's even obvious that McCain is pandering to groups and issues he disagrees with. I know that November is around the corner and not enough has been done to create a landslide win in congress or the executive.
But, I do agree that the 2 party system is broken. I agree that a broad sweeping vote for all dems would just tell them that we either approve of their behavior, or that we have no choice but to vote for them or some opportunists disguised as politicians.
I merely believe that votes for greens in non-swing states is probably the safest way to send the message that we are not happy with the lack of spine in impeachment, filibusters, aipac sucking up and a fisa free ride.
Don't get me wrong, i'm no optimist that the american public is ready for 3rd parties, but i do think it needs it and the dems need to know we don't approve of their efforts.
As far as swing states go, I wouldn't dare or recommend voting 3rd party.
In a nutshell, I'm for the best candidate winning where they can actually win. I was for Kucinich, I would rather have Nader or McKinney, but not where my vote for them would translate to a vote for a rep.
As stated earlier if ron paul and barr keep pulling in the polls, there maybe little worry of this this time.
jlocke123 July 29th, 2008 5:37 pm
"Umlaut, what conclusions am I "pushing"? What "strawman"? What is the "everything" that I am assuming that you find disturbing?"
Ermm, what exactly were you implying then by this statement?
"Umlaut, Sheehan pays thousands for signatures, Obama pays millions for wall to wall news/advertising, what a system you got there. Imagine the country you would have if they both had to go out and get votes."
I don't trust Jane Harmon either! We need a kick the bums out campaign!!!
Great article.
A useful post from eze.
Name the names of those who need to be shamed!
Our semi-permanent Washington elite. Yeah...9%!!! Our government is NOT representative of the citizens wishes.
As the author says... why should they be? It costs them nothing to ignore us. Term limits would help a lot haz... our semi-permanent government self perpetuates using corporate money.
The last thing they want is term limits... since it would render that semi-permanence impossible.
For every progressive in congress, a lack of term limits (in light of the overwhelming influence of corporate big money) allows 10 blue dogs to dig in for the long haul. Corporate money then allows them all the advantages of what looks very much like a rigged game and thus seeking that corporate money becomes the determinant of how long they stay. So then they represent the needs of that big money... instead of us.
Term limits is just... this semi-permanent elite ... is a bust.
Or haven't you noticed the state of our country?
Term limits would help counter corporate money's influence by at least putting a limit on how long it would remain effective per individual.
Glen is right... they have no real fear of not representing us... nor does the media hold their feet to the fire either.
A rigged game ...an old story. However we have something which is new... the net.
I think politicians are becoming afraid of the public knowing who they are (how they vote)...it's so inconvenient that knowing.
We have the net...as yet.
They have the corporate big money, the compliant corporate owned media and a lack of term limits.
We have the numbers and the net... and we are just starting to get organized by it. How did Glen's group grow so quickly?
Every time a blue dog growls at democracy... we now have the means to publicize it.
The net is fast becoming the voice of our democracy vs the semi-permanent rigged game.
Glen is using it.
Lol...do thou likewise!
Earlier this month, Rasmussen Reports announced the humiliating finding that "the percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits [9 percent] for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history."
Then why do Americans keep voting for them? For the life of me, I don't understand this. Nine per cent? Get rid of them! Create the political climate for something new and infinitely more honest and concerned about ordinary working people.
They don't care about us. Only themselves.
tommytoons55 July 29th, 2008 9:17 pm
Tommy, I suggested something very close to this several months ago. It involved getting commitments from those liberals/progressives in Congress to switch to Green all at one time. That would give us a viable third party instantly.
The problem that I see with that is with the rules of Congress. Splitting the Dems into Dems and Greens would likely make the Repukes the majority party, in charge of setting the agenda and chairing committees, unless an agreement was reached between Greens and Dems to caucus together. How likely is that, and would it meet the rules?
Another thing that needs to be considered, is what has happened to the Dem Party. There is nothing to stop these bastard Blue Dogs, DINOs and Repukes from infitrating the new party. You will eventually run into the same problem of trying to purge the party of GINOs.
The Repukes have been VERY successful at purging their party. They vote damn near in lock step on every important issue. When the money buys a Rep, they stay bought!
I think it would help if we called ourselves liberals instead of progressives.
Calling ourselves progressives shows that the uniformly conservative Repug Party was successful in demonizing liberals because we shun our name.
Conservatives and neo-liberals have no problem calling themselves progressives and joining the Democrats, the traditionally liberal party that has become a haven for conservatives who can't govern.
It's time liberals took their good name back.
Liberals could stop giving conservatives a free ride by not calling ourselves progressives, but liberals and proud of it.
Great idea Glenn, screw third parties, let's keep this duopoly intact.
I think Greenwald has it backwards. Blue Dog Dems are not the aberration. The aberration are the few Dems who actually stand for progressive politics.
There is only one party in this country. The corporate war party. The two party system has become a hoax. The two parties are useful foils for one another. Dem politicians keep stoking fears of right wingers in order to raise more money and solidify their power. The Rethugs do it to wingnuts by raising the spectre of liberals etc.
There is little if any disagreement on FISA, wiretapping, war, Iraq, energy policy, healthcare. Obama's "move to the middle" is just an elaborate genuflection towards the powers that be.
Stop validating the matrix. Don't vote. Fuck em all. Even the third parties.
Get involved in political activism. Focus on what you can actually do. Your vote doesn't matter and probably won't count anyway. Try your best to incite and inspire real change on a local level and/or on issues you care about.
Elections are a multibillion dollar scam designed to make us feel as though we are somehow participating in politics when we are just watching a version of American Idol.
Using their votes on the FISA Bill as a standard, I took a few hours and compiled two lists of those that should be "turned out" of office and then put the lists on the Net.
Here are the sites:Â
For House "Representatives": http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html
For "Senators": http://www.cloudbyte.com/senatetraitors.html
Cindy I'm getting ready...on my way to the gym to go swimming. Along the way I plan to mail a letter. The letter is addressed to you and contains a check for $19.84. Not much, but I hope it helps- if we all do it, it will!
PLEASE CDers SEND CINDY A DONATION! DO IT IF YOU CAN- SHE DESERVES OUR SUPPORT!
Dear Friends:
My campaign paid a handful of gatherers to COLLECT signatures..of course, we can't pay for signatures. As an independent we had to get 10,198 signatures for ballot access: talk about being undemocratic.
And, we are turning in 40% more than the required signatures tomorrow to QUALIFY for the ballot.
Thanks for your encouragement and support, CDers...we now need to be able to get our message our to beat Pelosi in November.
WE are 2/3rds of the way there and i will be only the 6th candidate in California history to qualify for the ballot as a "decline to state!"
We are celebrating with our volunteers in HQ tonight!
Love
Cindy
www.CindyforCongress.org
What the author is suggesting is a very hard pill to swallow for most of us Democrat's to actually see a Democrat go down to defeat and put a Republican in the seat. To me that is biting your nose to spite your face kind of thinking....Instead, I believe we Progressive Liberal's have another option to entertain in the years ahead and get ready for mid-term elections when we have a chance to wrest control from the Blue Dog contingent within the democratic party. And that simply is to break with the Democratic Blue Dogs, form our own Party with the Traditional values of the Democratic Party being adopted as our Platform, encourage, members in both Houses to change parties while the are in office with the new Party and begin to build a third Party that would be defined different and Progressive and force the Blue Dog's to compromise with the Progressive Liberal Party in order to get bills passed, it would also force the Democratic Party to realize that they cannot "run the Board" as in the past and the new Party would and could have millions of members who believe and contribute to the running and gain new members so that if in 2012 Obama or another Democratic Member would have to parley with the new kids on the Block to get elected or face a showdown with our own candidate who would draw votes away from them and guarantee a Republican win in 2012!!!
Don't forget one of the worst Blue Dogs of all, Melissa Bean (IL-8TH). See www.FreeTheDemocrats.com to learn about her abysmal record on nearly every issue that counts.
MikeBinSC 8:18 pm
"And still more tail-crap!
citizenblog, are you trying to say something?
Spit it out!"
I need that get out of jail free card first. "Operation Chaos" did make me laugh.
8) Okay Samantha Power wasn't all that, but Obama dumped her for calling Hillary a monster, which is clearly an understatement.
Obama weaseling on Iraq:
"We're going to have to provide them with logistical support, intelligence support," Obama continued. "We're going to have to have a very capable counterterrorism strike force. We're going to have to continue to train their Army and police to make them more effective."
Asked about how large a force would be required to carry out these missions, Obama replied, "I do think that's entirely conditions-based. It's hard to anticipate where we may be six months from now, or a year from now, or a year and a half from now."
In other words, to consider Obama to be an antiwar candidate, who will end the occupation, is to reveal yourself as a cretin. Better to be thought a fool than to post it and remove all doubt.
Nancy Pelosi was a guest on Jon Stewart last night. The 7 1/2 min video can be seen here. The interview is lousy, since Stewart lobbed only softballs at Pelosi, giving her unconstrained space to be her cutesy & giggly self -- essentially, making it all about her pleasant personality, with substance playing almost no role.
However, it's worth looking at, just because you see Pelosi appearing to claim that the only reason the House didn't have more success in stopping the war was because of the Senate. She acted like it was "all the Senate's fault," and that the House had done all it could. She also pretended to be "with the public" on the war -- ie, she pretended to be "against" the war.
This shameless lying & false posturing is the best you can get from Democrats. Pelosi could actually have stopped the war herself, simply by refusing to pass (or bring to the floor) any bill that supplied funding for the occupation. You need only a simple majority in the House to block anything you want to block. So Pelosi & the Dems could have blocked any of the refundings. But they didn't even make a serious effort. All they did was pretend to be asking Bush for a "time table" for withdrawal -- and when he refused that, they caved in & gave him everything he wanted, with no strings attached. This is what Pelosi is trying to claim was "the best they could do."
And still more tail-crap!
citizenblog, are you trying to say something?
Spit it out!
MikeBinSC 7:16 pm
"and get out of debt ASAP!"
Norman Tebbit, the most reactionary Tory in the UK and Thatcher's guru said the same thing "get on your bike!"
Some bloggers when faced with the unpleasant facts that point to their candidate or party selling out they become angry. They become angry at the blogger complaining about the sellout, amazingly not at the sellout itself. Some resort to name calling. Glenn Greenwald has done a nice job pointing this out.
Take Obama's 180-degree flip flop on FISA from promising to filibuster against it to voting for it. For bringing this inconvenient truth the Democratic Party apologists have called me a sucker, Republican shill, Republican troll, fool, and a left winger and that I am the left's equivalent of a right wing neocon. Obama's vote doesn't seem to faze them in the least. Now if this were the only complaint against Obama it would be different but it's not. Obama has also done the following:
1) Repeatedly voted to fund the illegal invasions//occupations for the plunder of oil
2) Saber rattled against Iran and Pakistan
3) Delivered a right wing speech before AIPAC declaring Israel's right to Jerusalem.
4) Sold out his good friend and spiritual adviser Jeremiah Wright.
5) Voted to allow the government to spy on us without probable cause in violation of the 4th Amendment.
6) Supported the recent Supreme Court ruling on hand guns
7) Is pushing for the blurring of church and state by pushing for Bush's faith-based social programs.
8) Has right wing advisers and got rid of his progressive defense adviser Cynthia Powers.
9) Was mentored by and supported one of the most odious Democratic right wing bastards I can think of, Bush-kissing, Joe Lieberman.
10) Has not pushed to end the war, his only claim to a major speech against war is six years old and stale. That speech was made before he became a Senator, not after.
11) Has not pushed for the impeachment of GWB.
12) Wants to increase the troops by 100,000 troops.
13) Has fine print weasel on his website to enable keeping many troops in Iraq indefinitely.
14) Supports keeping Blackwater in Iraq (claims they are necessary)
15) Will not commit to withdrawing all troops from Iraq by even the end of his first term (2013).
16) Insert your own betrayal here: _______________________.
Somehow all these betrayals are not really a big deal for DPAs (Democratic Party apologists). Well, they are for me. I believe the Democrats have been compromised to the point they no longer function as an opposition party but actually as partners and enablers of the Republicans. I urge you to jump their rat-infested sinking ship and take a serious look at a 3rd party.
Hey Obama supporters, I like Obama's slogan.
"YES WE CAN …. build more nukes"
"YES WE CAN …. spy on Americans"
"YES WE CAN …. continue funding the war"
"YES WE CAN …. kill more Afghani civilians"
"YES WE CAN …. blindly support Israel's imperial, racist and genocidal policies"
Oh yes, we indeed can. Gotta love Obama.
Greenwald's point that it doesn't matter if a Blue Dog D or a R wins an election and that we shouldn't concerned about the majority, but the people who control that majority.
I don't know why the Blue Dogs even consider themselves Democrats. In fact many of them are to the Right of Republicans in certain ways. In the current system I loathe the racist Blue Dog democrat to the free market libertarian leaning republican. (This is not intended to be a compliment to the free market, libertarian philosophy)
As repulsive as the Blue Dogs are, I'm not sure they really warrant our attention. The Blue Dogs are not the backbone of the Democratic party. In reality they are a fringe group. The conservative DLC and so-called liberals are the backbone of the party. The Blue Dogs didn't make the "liberals" capitulate. The liberals capitulated. So the question isn't how do we clean up the party, the question is how do we ditch the party.
"If we can't push conservatives out of windows, let's at least push them out of government where they can't do as much harm"
Again, start with Obama the conservatives greatest hope for MORE OF THE SAME!
Vote for Cindy.
Impeach Nancy, George, Dick, and Cabal Incorporated.
Invite the warcrimes tribunal to come pick-up the pieces.
Yeah, lets start with Obama who caved on FISA, occupation, the environment to name a few.
Ezeflyer, rasmus 11, and others-
Don't listen to the drivel coming from RichM, Tailcap, samson and the other "Operation Chaos" ditto-heads.
Greenwald has a good article here, but he stops short of making the hard calls. I have echoed these ideas and advocated even tougher measures than Greenwald's, and I still get grief from these dumb-assed, brain-dead, ditto-heads.
For instance, I have called for a plan with wide support to remove Pelosi and send a message to all of the Blue-Dogs. I have also pushed for all progressives to register Green, to further emphasize our displeasure with their actions. I have also called for supporting true progressives of any stripe over DINOs. Donna Edwards primary victory over Al Wynn should be used as a model of "How It Is Done" for others around the country. I have posted this link-
www.switch2green.org and this one-
www.cindyforcongress.org several times. I have suggested that in states where the vote for Obama will make no difference, vote for Cynthia McKinney to help build the Green Party. And I still get grief from these assholes!
They will not be satisfied unless you are willing to commit to political suicide by voting for third party, independent candidates for president, who have, absolutely no chance in hell of breaking 10% in any state! And, aside from all the bullshit rhetoric, the truth is, all those votes will be pulled from Obama, and strengthen McSame. Obama is going to have a hard enough time overcoming the race issue with many voters, let's not make things any harder for ourselves.
Dismiss these Rush ditto-heads, TRDs and MOBs, and vote for a better America and a better world. Vote for OBAMA '08
P.S. Support the Green Party and other progessives in local elections. Learn to live smaller by visiting-
www.storyofstuff.com and watch the short animated video, buy local, secondhand if possible, and get out of debt ASAP!
RichM July 29th, 2008 4:09 pm said:
"ezeflyer, you gutless worm"
Rich you're such a bitch.
If we can't push conservatives out of windows, let's at least push them out of government where they can't do as much harm:
Conservatives Deconstructed
by Joel Bleifuss
In These Times magazine, October 2003
Are they nuts?
Have you ever wondered about those ubiquitous conservatives?
Why do they support tax breaks for the rich when so many of their fellow citizens are in dire straits? Why do they applaud John Ashcroft and his post-9/11 curtailment of civil liberties? Why do they oppose laws that address historic wrongs and enforce constitutionally guaranteed rights? Why do they respond to a societal drug problem with incarceration and expanded prison construction? Why do they gut regulations that are meant to protect the environment? Why do they invest more than half of our tax dollars in the military? Why are they so meanspirited? In other words, why do conservatives do what they do? Are they nuts?
No, not according to a fascinating new study in Psychological Bulletin, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition." Conservatives do, however, possess certain psychological traits and motives that no one in their right (or is that left?) mind would want to share.
The study's four authors, John T. Jost, Jack Glaser, Arie W. Kruglanski, and Frank J. Sulloway, write, "People embrace political conservatism (at least in part) because it serves to reduce fear, anxiety and uncertainty; to avoid change, disruption and ambiguity; and to explain, order and justify inequality among groups and individuals." To come to this conclusion the authors examined 88 different psychological studies conducted between 1958 and 2002 that involved 22,818 people from 12 different countries. They boiled that information down into a number of psychological attributes that are closely associated with people who are politically conservative.
Rigid and closed-minded
"Dogmatism has been found to correlate consistently with authoritarianism, political-economic conservatism, and the holding of right wing opinions," write the authors. Conversely, studies have found that conservatives in general have little tolerance for ambiguity. A fact that helps in decoding this statement that George W. Bush made in Genoa, Italy: "I know what I believe and I believe what I believe is right."
Such thinking could explain why the Bush administration officials ignored those intelligence reports that failed to support going to war with Iraq. "[Conservatives'] intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic clichés and stereotypes," write the authors.
Numerous studies have also shown that conservative policymakers entertain less cognitively complex thoughts than their liberal or moderate counterparts. A study of speeches made in the House of Commons in 1984 found that "the most integratively complex politicians were moderate socialists." Their complexity of thought was found to be significantly higher than that of extreme socialists, moderate conservatives or extreme conservatives. Similarly, in the United States, a study of speeches on the floor of the Senate in 1975 and 1976 found that senators with liberal or moderate voting records exhibited significantly more complex thinking than their conservative counterparts.
That explains a lot, doesn't it. Bush again comes to mind. As he told a British reporter, "Look, my job isn't to try to nuance. My job is to tell people what I think."
Further studies show that conservatives have been found to shun new, stimulating experiences and to avoid situations where the outcome is uncertain.
The authors write that the fact that conservatives are "less tolerant of ambiguity, less open to new experiences, and more avoidant of uncertainty. may help explain why "congressional Republicans and other prominent conservatives in the United States have sought unilaterally to eliminate public funding for the contemporary arts."
From an early age, conservatives demonstrate a personal need for order and structure. One study has shown that conservative teens are more likely to say they are "neat, orderly and organized" than are liberal adolescents. The authors note that this desire for set rules correlates with the examples of mental rigidity mentioned above, and can be seen in the political realm when conservatives attempt to order their own and other's lives by advocating drug testing, core educational curriculum, controls on people with AIDS, and strict parental control of children.
Impulsively aggressive
R.A. Altemeyer, a psychologist who has extensively studied people with right-wing beliefs, has observed:
[Right-wing authoritarians] see the world as a dangerous place, as society teeters on the brink of self-destruction from evil and violence. This fear appears to instigate aggression in them. Second, right-wing authoritarians tend to be highly self righteous. They think themselves much more moral and upstanding than others - a self perception considerably aided by self-deception.... This self-righteousness disinhibits their aggressive impulses and releases them to act out their fear-induced hostilities.
George Will seems steeped in that fear. To illustrate that point the authors quote this passage from an essay by Will: "Conservatives know the world is a dark and forbidding place where most new knowledge is false, most improvements are for the worse." Psychological studies back Will up. People with right-wing personalities hold more pessimistic views and left-wing personalities hold more optimistic ones. And that pessimism and optimism appears to inform how conservatives and liberals view their fellow humans. A 1984 survey of "emotional reactions to welfare recipients" found that conservatives "expressed greater disgust and less sympathy" than liberals.
While this propensity of conservatives to be threatened and fearful does not appear to induce neurotic behavior, one study of dream lives discovered that Republicans had three times as many nightmares as Democrats, indicating that fear, anger and aggression might be a factor in the subconscious motivations of conservatives.
The authors speculate that this susceptibility to fear "may help explain why military defense spending and support for national security receive much stronger backing from conservative than liberal political leaders."
Afraid of loss
It has long been known that conservatives resist change while progressives accept change. Indeed, according to studies, this is the most common way that people from both groups self-define themselves.
"To the extent that conservatives are especially sensitive to the possibilities of loss-one reason why they wish to preserve the status quo-it follows that they should be generally more motivated by negatively framed outcomes (potential losses) than by positively framed outcomes (potential gains)."
Consequently, conservatives respond better to threats. In a study conducted five days before the 1996 presidential election, researchers presented voters with persuasive arguments that stressed either the potential rewards of voting ("it is a way to express and live in accordance with important values") or the potential losses from not voting ("not voting allows others to take away your right to express your values"). More generally, the authors suggest that "framing events in terms of potential losses rather than gains leads people to adopt cognitively conservative, as opposed to innovative, orientations."
Haunted by death
Of course, the greatest personal loss is death. Studies demonstrate that the people who most fear death are the most conservative. More generally, the fear of death and the resulting protective posture that such a threat engenders cause people to become conservative and to strongly "defend culturally valued norms and practices" and "to distance themselves from, and even to derogate, out-group members to greater extent." Similarly, the fear of death has also been linked to "system-justifying forms of stereotyping and enhanced liking for stereotype-consistent women and minority group members" and "greater punitiveness, and even aggression, toward those who violate cultural values." Applying that knowledge, the authors write, "High profile terrorist attacks such as those of September 11, 2001, might simultaneously increase the cognitive accessibility of death and the appeal of political conservatism."
While trying to retain the impartiality of scientists, albeit social ones, the authors warn that the available evidence indicates that governments can manipulate people's conservative tendencies by raising the specter of death. They write, "Priming thoughts of death has been shown to increase intolerance, out-group derogation, punitive aggression, veneration of authority figures and system justification."
That is what we have seen in the wake of 9/11 as public opinion and media coverage took a sharp turn to the right, setting the stage for pre-emptive wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The authors acknowledge what has long been assumed by sociologists, economists, and political scientists: people adopt conservative beliefs to serve their own self interests. They agree that this helps explain the conservatism of "upper-class elites." However, the authors hold that the personal need to "reduce fear, anxiety, dissonance, uncertainty or instability" better explains why a vastly greater number of people who are not part of the elite, and particularly those who are disadvantaged or from low-status groups, "might embrace right-wing ideologies."
The authors also take issue with the common notion that people inherit ideological beliefs from their parents. A statistically significant correlation exists between the two, but it is far from overwhelming. The authors maintain, "Conservative ideologies, like virtually all other belief systems, are adopted in part because they satisfy various psychological needs."
Conservatives have not taken kindly to "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition." Will, perhaps fearing the truth, ridiculed the study in the Washington Post, making fun of the authors' academic jargon.
Yet this delineation of the psychological needs that motivate conservatives provides progressives with lessons on how they might communicate with a wider audience. For example, when speaking to the problems of the PATRIOT Act, administration critics could reach out to a conservative audience by emphasizing that the act presents a radical infringement on the Bill of Rights, and should therefore be opposed by all who value the precepts on which America was founded.
Umlaut (4:25} I read a piece stating Cindy was on the ballot.Are you sure? 2. The only viably third party I can think of would be a coalition of - Unions with new leaders, minorities, independents, and others. They would probably need their own media though. Big job. 3. Running ads against BD dems. A little late now. 24/7 all year would be great.
Samson, I've got a question for you, or anyone who has an answer. What are the chances that the Rs and the Ds will flip positions. For example: the Ds will adopt the overt imperialism in order to look tough meanwhile the Rs will them rediscover fiscal responsibility as a motive to bring the major military campaigns to an end.
Blue dog "democrats" demonstarate what that party is all about. The "let's
split here, let's split there" greens(how many "green" parties are there now?) demonstarate what they are all about. We already knew what the repuglicans were all about. To hell with 'em all. Voting uncritically only
reinforces the superstition that change will come from above. Go ahead and vote. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with it, but be prepared to fight when you are betrayed, because you will be, and that fight is the only hope we have for the future of the world. Be prepared to fight!
The best way to do this is to run '3rd party' campaigns in their districts.
The 'blue dog' democrats should be especially vulnerable to this as they will have done the most to truly po the more liberal democratic base.
And, all you have to do is to make these fools lose. So, all you have to do is to take enough votes away from them to make that happen. If you look at a district and the blue dog won the last election 53-47, and you think a strong progressive 3rd party candidate could get 7 percent of the vote, you just turned that blue dog into a a 46-47 loser who's looking for a new job.
And, you get to have fun with a good progressive campaign, you get to talk to voters all through the election about progressive values (which will only build that base for future actions), and you get to actually support a candidate you believe in instead of some piece of scum who's only slightly less evil that the Republican.
We can take them down. The think that is lacking is generally the knowledge that the Democrats are often the enemy. We still tend to think a Democratic majority is a good thing, even though we've had so many times when we've been clearly shown it isn't. So, the left tends to play 'safe-state' strategies that deliberately avcid taking on these sorts of politicians.
The answer is to realize that the first thing we need to do is to defeat the Democrats. Realize that causing them to lose ia perfect for us. At the very least it might make the Democrats bargain seriously with us for our support instead of taking us for granted.
Defeating the Democrats is the goal. We should try to do it as often as possible. With just a few exceptions who really need to just leave a party that in no way represents their values.
leftk .... the term dates from the 1980 election. That was a time of transition of voting patterns, and there were many people who had been voting Democrat in the old FDR coalitions who switched to voting Republican at that time.
This would be the generally white voters, who maybe had been in a union or otherwise in the FDR coalition before. But they also tended to be socially conservative on issues like abortion, or the just plain racist types I used to see in the South who hated the Democrats for integration and civil liberties for others.
The big trend of the 1980 election was the shift of these voters from Democrat to Republican. Thus the term Reagan Democrat. It was the media buzzword of the time, a lot like 'value voters' were in the last election.
By these days, the term is pretty meaningless. Those white conservative voters would just be called Republicans today.
Pelosi is not Jewish, but her husband is. Together, their net worth is said to be around $90 million. Pelosi is totally and completely a slave of AIPAC. AIPAC likes the unnecessary war of choice in Iraq, and likes the coming unnecessary war in Iran. So, with the Speaker of the US House of Representatives a front for AIPAC in the US Congress, are you surprised with the low standing of Congress?? Democrats, you have been scammed. Of course, Hoyer did not help any either.
"If, after spending two years accommodating one extremist policy after the next favored by the right, congressional Democrats become further entrenched in their power by winning even more seats, what would one expect them to do other than conclude that this approach works and therefore continue to pursue it?"
Well, as Nancy Pelosi said the other day on NPR, "power is never given away". She wasn't BS-ing!
That should pretty much tell us why Democrats have been playing a "supporting role" in the Republican script and why "We The People" are being deprived of a "meaningful choice" within the two-party system that does everything in its power to prevent a progressive party politician from becoming a potential contender for the White House.
Reagan Democrat is a funny term. Doesn't RR stand against every ideal that the Democrats, at least, nominally stand for?
Were there ever Franco Communists in Spain or Mussolini Liberals in Italy?
Although I agree with your intent to *act*, I would question the effectiveness of targeting those on the fence. Yes, they are posers and as such deserve our derision and condemnation, but really... what does that act really communicate?
In my opinion, it's the top of the food chain that needs excising, and all effort and resources should be directed towards those within the Democratic Party who wield real power. Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emanuel and Nancy Pelosi and especially Harry Reid in the Senate. Campaign against them, even if they are not running. Expend some resources to let Americans (that 90+ percent disaffected by Congressional cowardice, inaction and treason), know exactly where the problem lies... at the top of the leadership charts.
Hold them accountable by consistently threatening their political careers. With any degree of Congressional shift away from Republicans posing as Democrats, the blue dogs will stick out for who they are and will be the first to fall by the wayside. But if you limit action to them, those in Congress who hold the real power will consider themselves immune to criticism and continue to lie, deceive and hold the American electorate in contempt.
Obama's integrity is all tapped out. Do NOT vote for evil.
I have to agree with BryanD:
dems/gop - two different flavors of baloney
And what makes it all the more dangerous this time is the Obama believers. They'll do anything their messiah tells them to. I suspect Obama is actually a Blue Dog himself, look at the DLC/Clintonistas he has surrounded himself with.
For rasmus11, who wrote @ July 29th, 2008 4:15 pm, "If Barack Obama is not worthy of your trust, no one is":
Judging by this dictum, I'll suppose you never heard of seminal investigative reporter I.F. Stone. His rule of thumb was to assume that those in positions of power were doing what comes naturally---abusing it---and try to make them prove they weren't.
In his understanding of American constitutional democracy, being a spectator was an option available only to foreigners, and trust was "off the table."
I liked Samson's analysis of why you can't trust the Dem Gang any more than the Reps. "Loyalty" - the principle the Nazis put above all else - is the predominate modus operandi in both political gangs.
While loyalty connotes a sense of honor, it is only loyalty to principle - like to the Constitution - that gives it any notable worth. When loyalty is directed towards an institution or gang, which can morph rather quickly from one set of principles to another, it can seed the worst of all evils.
So even as an avid anti-Republican, for me it's DVD (don't vote Democrat) all the way!
If someone asked you to count to 10, would you reply by stopping at two? Would you condemn someone who counted past two as an idiot? Would you bring up how irrelevant numbers 3-10 are and the historical significance of numbers one and two?
The most important number people conveniently forget when obsessing over one and two is zero.
Please send Cindy Sheehan at least $19.84. She says it's symbolic for the Orwellian times we now live in. GO CINDY!!! www.cindyforcongress.org
Umlaut, what conclusions am I "pushing"? What "strawman"? What is the "everything" that I am assuming that you find disturbing?
Could you be any more vague?
add my senator..blanche lambert lincoln (d) ARkansas to the blue dog list, but she don't claim to be blue dog.
wild
Scumbag Carney from Pennsylvania is a top line neocon.
He worked in Chaney's office for Fleth and was a member of a small committee that was set up to pedal the BS that Iraq met with Ben Ladin.
He slipped into the seat when Sherwood GOP beat up his girl friend in Washington and he paid her $500,000 to drop it.
The district is very heavy GOPs and Carney has one of those right wing goof running against him. I would guess Carney will loss. When Move on. org wanted to run a tv adv in this local market Comcast refused to accept the adv. It was on the telcom vote and it mentioned Comcast.
Here in Colo. our Democratic saviours were to be the Salazar Bros.Yea right,fat chance.
These Bush-enablers richly deserve a one-way trip back to their San Luis potato farm.
jlocke123
I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
Just saying if you donate, even if you don't live in Ca., you can still help her get signatures.
I'm all for Cindy beating out pelosi.
I'm all for winning against both parties, but as long as you win. I'm not for voting idealistically when there is a 1% chance of winning. We live in a messed up political system with an ignorant populace. If my vote for a 3rd party meant a win for the reps, and something atrocious happened afterwards, and multitudes of lives were lost, I would fell somewhat responsible.
However the fact that you're just jumping to conclusions, pushes a straw man, and assuming everything here is just a debate of Obama vs. Nader/McKinney, I find very disturbing and tantamount to a fox news debate.
rasmus11 ( 4:15 pm) makes the blind assertion of faith: "If Barack Obama is not worthy of your trust, no one is."
- Why should anyone accept an unreasoned blanket declaration like that? Obama is 1) a Democrat, & 2) is advancing a traditional militarist/corporatist program. He doesn't say the right things about any of the most important issues. He doesn't want to hold any of the Bush gangsters accountable for their crimes, & denies that any crimes were in fact committed. He wants to escalate the war in Afghanistan, & continue the "War on Terror." He's opposed to single-payer health care.
There are almost no Democrats worthy of anyone's trust. How can you be so dense as to pledge fealty to this slick operator -- backed, not coincidentally, by the big boys on Wall Street?
Umlaut, Sheehan pays thousands for signatures, Obama pays millions for wall to wall news/advertising, what a system you got there. Imagine the country you would have if they both had to go out and get votes.
Well if the current polls are correct Barr has 3 times higher polling than Nader.
http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/
If you don't live in Florida or Ohio, (where i controversially still believe you no longer may be voting against Obama rather voting for McCain) maybe this is a good idea to vote green.
If Greenwald is right about the chances of not losing ground in congress, then that's good news to start pushing greens now congressionally.
I'm not entirely sure the information is accurate, and will start some personal research on the matter. I'm all ready for pushing an alternative to this lame 2 party system as soon as possible, but not at the expense of a McCain presidency. (yeah, yeah, save your breath, i know those of you that think there's not difference between McCain and 99% of all dems. I don't agree and never will.) I always voted green gubernatorial-wise, and when there was no risk of split.
P.S. C'mon Ca., Cindy still needs more signatures. She's got paid signature gatherers now, and every buck you donate get's you a signature. http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
If Barack Obama is not worthy of your trust, no one is.
re Rockerbabe1 July 29th, 2008 2:30 pm
term limits are a bad idea, very undemocratic. if we have an incumbent in our district who we feel represents our interests, why should we be forced to have another?
getting corporate money out of the election cycle and making room for 3rd parties would accomplish your presumed goals, plus allow us the choice of keeping a decent congresscritter (if we're lucky enough to find one).
re ezeflyer (too many posts to list):
we agree that Rs are beyond redemption. where we disagree is that you think the Ds are not, and we like you too much to stand by and see you go on being played for a fool by them.
but since our concern only seems to anger you, we'll stop. okay?
ezeflyer, you gutless worm -- Let's hear you justify supporting a candidate who fully intends to continue the "War on Terror," who sucks up to AIPAC, & who voted on the Bush-Scalia side of the recent FISA fiasco. If you can't justify that, why are you even bothering to post here?
Or, let's hear your commentary about the points in Greenwald's article. Do you have anything to say about these things? Or do you just want to sit there calling people "Republicans", just because they've come to see what filth the Democrats really are?
I'm wondering if we could get all the progressives in the so-called battleground states to switch-right now-to the Green Party (sorry Ralph. An Independent registration could mean anything) if that would send a scare through the DNC? If all the prog. web sites and Act Blue took this on would we gain some leverage? We could come back when/if we get some respect and real changes in the party platform.
I love it now that exeflyer and the fellow Democrat sychophants use exactly the same propaganda techniques as Bush and the Republicans used.
Remember back when the Bushies tried to deflect all criticism of Bush because it came from "Bush-bashers' or 'Bush-haters'.
Now we have the Democrats trying to deflect all criticism of the Democrats as it comes from MOBs. Or the real total line of bull that somehow all us rebels on the left are really secret Republicans.
Amazing how the Democrats seem to use the same play-book as the Republicans these days. Tells you a lot about that party. And it also tells you a lot that they won't even try to defend the pro-war, pro-corporate policies of their party but try to divert discussion by such bull.
For one thing, its very hard sometimes to pin down exactly who's responsible for these acts. That's because the party and Congress plays games with who votes for what.
A couple of examples:
If they need a small group of Democrats to cross over and join the Republicans to help pass something that the Democratic leadership has agreed to pass, they will almost always pick Senators who are not up for re-election soon, or House members from very safe districts.
Along the same lines, when they are sure they have enough votes for passage, or maybe enough votes to secure a deal with the Republicans that X number of Democrats need to vote yes to make it look 'bi-partisan', they'll 'turn loose' the other members of their caucus to cast votes more pleasing to the base. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't vote Republican if they had to do so. No, it only means they weren't required to do so this time.
Especially for Senators, what this means is that you'll see voting records that are very pro-Republican when say 4 years out from election, but then they'll suddenly start seeming to pay attention to the base when its their election year. Then, once they've won they become the leadership's 'safe' vote for a few more years until election looms again.
For this reason, its rather dangerous to only focus on the people who voted the 'wrong' way on a particular bill. You see that often on the internets, a list of people we should 'get' because they voted the 'wrong' way. But that doesn't mean that just changing those people out of Congress would solve the problem, because there are likely many others who would have voted that way had the leadership required them to do so.
Its far, far easier just to refuse to vote Democrat. If you live in a district where you've got a member who's consistently good, then sure support them (although you should really be encouraging them to leave that awful party because most such members are clearly hated by the Democratic leadership. Example: the way they ran a primary opponent against Kucinich to try to force him out of Congress the same way they forced the next President of the United States, Cynthia McKinney, out of Congress).
Just don't vote Democrat. Let the decent Democrats get around that by their leaving the party. Don't vote Democrat.
Outside the asylum, the entities we call "political parties" have positions on the issues. The American Democratic party is more of a fund raising apparatus than a party. I'm not sure how you would enforce such discipline in such a structure. Serendipitously, there is something called the Green Party of America. What do they say about reinventing the wheel?
A good article, but the rot extends beyond just the Blue Dogs and encompasses virtually the whole party. There is a handful of progressive Dems who deserve support, but other than them, the party is, to put it kindly, most unreliable.
I'm a union member, and I've been demanding a refund of that portion of my dues that goes toward supporting political candidates (always Dems). I make sure that the union knows exactly why I'm doing this, and this year I'm going to write a letter to the state Dem party chapter and let them know, too.
I URGE ALL PROGRESSIVE UNION MEMBERS TO DO THE SAME. If this spreads far enough, maybe union higher-ups will feel the heat from the rank-and-file and start attaching more strings to the cash handouts. One can always hope.....
There is a lot to be said for term limits on members of Congress. If there were term limits, then eventually the electorate could get new representation without having to be so upset at all the nonsense that passes for legislative work these days. The Founders of our nation envisioned a government of the people and a legislature of citizens [not careerist].
How about 6 terms of office for the house of representatives; that is 12 years.
How about no more than 3 terms for the Senate or 18 years max.
Also:
How about limiting the term of office for the Justices of the Supreme Court? 25 years and out or age 70; which ever comes first.
Think about it! We could actually get people in there that might just do what they are suppost to do; act in the best interest of the American people!
Also, to keep the retiring member of the legislature from getting "too influential", legislate that they cannot return to government [unless re-elected] as a lobbist for at least 4 years after their term of office was completed.
These suggestions would require that we amend the Constitution, but it has been done before.
tailcrap:
Though I'm opinionated, you may think I don't have anything to say because you TRDs and MOBs only read articles that you can get in a rant against Obama or Democrats.
You, RichM and other TRDs are much better in the name calling department than I am. That's a plus for you.
RichM's labeling us comical "DPAs" was very original. So I took the liberty of borrowing from your handbook:
TRDs - Tricky Republican Devils
MOBs - McKinney's Obama Bashers
It's a childish game, but if you're feeling were hurt, cheer up. Your strategy of keeping us on the defensive seems to be working.
I'm with you, Greenwald; Let's kick 'em out! Back in Texas, there's one: Ciro Rodriguez, who the folks had hoped would represent them, but lo and behold, he has been in Congress long enough, and has joined the Blue Dogs, much to our dismay. He is not representing the people in his district, but the "change at any cost, just to get elected" disease has rotted his brain, and lo and behold, if a lot of people aren't thinking that this old dog has seen his better days.
ezeflyer July 29th, 2008 1:31 pm
Which one are you RichM, a TRD or a MOB?
-this blogger very rarely if ever, has any facts, reasoned arguments or anything interesting to say. Her specialty is name-calling and one line insults. She is beneath responding to.
It seems to me that the question becomes whether it is quicker to change the party or to start a new one (or bring to the front a much lesser-known one).
I happen to live in a state whose senator did indeed vote against the war from the beginning and has stood tall (now you have to know I live in Wisconsin and that senator is of course Feingold). Crazy thing is, large areas of Wisconsin are incredibly conservative (Sensenbrenner, etc), yet I have absolutely no fear of Feingold losing the next election because even the conservatives are beginning to back his almost-lone stances against the chimp in the oval. Congress' lack of backbone is the sole reason for their approval ratings limbo-ing under the bar set by the chimp.
So I'll continue to back Feingold, but will divert some monies to these organizations. Why? Because the best way to support Feingold is to give him some allies.
Maybe this is the "Hold their feet to the fire" that we've been calling for.
Oh, please... Not another reformist illusion-monger!
We need to give capitalism the boot.