China Using Olympics As 'Pretext' For Crackdown: Amnesty
HONG KONG - China is using the Beijing Olympics as a pretext to pursue -- and in some cases tighten -- a crackdown on human rights, notably ridding the capital of "undesirables," Amnesty International charged Monday.
Reporting 11 days ahead of the August 8 opening ceremony, the rights group said that despite some minor reforms, authorities had stepped up repression of activists and lawyers to present a picture of stability and harmony.
Amnesty urged the International Olympic Committee and political leaders to do far more to challenge China, warning of even more repressive measures once the spotlight on the Games has faded away.
"Unless the authorities make a swift change of direction, the legacy of the Beijing Olympics will not be positive for human rights in China," it warned.
"In fact, the crackdown on human rights defenders, journalists and lawyers has intensified because Beijing is hosting the Olympics."
Amnesty's report, citing specific cases, said activists who had tied their cause to the Games had been singled out for the pre-Olympics "clean-up," while many others were being detained, imprisoned or placed under house arrest.
"Authorities have used the Olympic Games as a pretext to continue and in some respects, intensify existing policies and practices that have led to serious and widespread violations of human rights," the report added.
It listed a series of recommendations urging China to:
release all prisoners of conscience;
stop police arbitrarily detaining activists and dissenters;
impose a moratorium on the death penalty;
allow complete media freedom; and
account for those killed or detained in Tibet.
"It is very disturbing that Chinese authorities have indulged in such a big crackdown on the activists," Mark Allison, China researcher for Amnesty, told AFP.
"These are people who represent many many more people in China."
Officials were also extending the use of punitive administrative detention, notably of activists and petitioners as well as beggars and peddlers, Amnesty said.
In January, Beijing police launched a campaign against "illegal activities that tarnish the city's image and affect the social order," it noted.
In May, authorities adopted a "re-education through labour" law to control various types of "offending behaviour."
In June, authorities in Shanghai sent notices to activists and petitioners ordering them to report to the police every week and barring them from leaving without permission or visiting Beijing until after the Games.
A clampdown on journalists has also intensified in recent months, Amnesty said, citing figures from the Foreign Correspondents Club of China showing as many as 230 cases of reporters being obstructed from interviews this year so far, compared to 180 cases in the whole of last year.
Internet controls have also been tightened up and many websites closed down for providing information deemed sensitive, the group noted.
Amnesty said that journalists working from Beijing's Olympic press centre were unable to access the group's website, as well as those of the BBC, Germany's Deutsche Welle, Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily, and Taiwan newspaper Liberty Times.
"This flies in the face of official Chinese promises to ensure 'complete media freedom' for the Games," said Allison.
Such tactics raised concerns that officials would seek to block broadcasts of anything deemed sensitive or inappropriate, despite public commitments by organisers not to cut coverage.
Amnesty said China's crackdown in Tibet earlier this year, and restrictions on reporting there, highlighted the authorities' ongoing censorship.
It urged the IOC and the international community to express concerns publicly and press China to fulfil its obligations on human rights and dissent.
"The danger now becomes that after the Olympic Games, these patterns of serious human rights violations may continue or intensify with even less attention paid by the international community than has been the case so far," it said.
© 2008 Agence France Presse
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you didn't mention another horrible chinese thing: the fur farms.
www.peta.com
see the video (if you can stomach it) 'a shocking look inside the chinese fur farms'
this is one of the reasons i boycott chinese goods.
jcrumb, yes, ur a hilarious case in point that free speech does exist here.
i wanna mention one important fact, beyond "culture". its called "war". china, and much of asia, have long held the belief that they are at war with usA, in a struggle for domination. war. they have known for awhile now that the main front in that war is economic. they realize this is the only front where they might gain dominance. many of asia's investors in the chinese economic boom went in with big money into china early. they understood their investments were an aid to this war. but china, being very civilized (heh), is likely to smile and be polite as this war proceeds. but if they win the war, i think you may find having our country economically mastered by china to be an unpleasant experience.
of course, everyone already knows all this. including our government and corporations, and they seem to agree that it would be better to have a worldwide factory-mall economy than to protect the american economy/people, basically ensuring we lose the war and that the power-elite have broader world-wide power.
learn chinese biotches. ur gonna need it. your children will too if china has its way. chinese owned factories will need workers.
ive been immersed in chinese culture, and kivals, cultural ass-lickering isnt learning, isnt humble or civilized; its simply sad to be worshipping such a repressive govt.
just because usa is a lil fkd up, doesnt mean china cant be criticized: ask the tibetans about china's beautiful civilization. lets talk racism. hmmm, ask a chinese person about us. for instance, white people, you are universally known as "barbarians". sure, whites are barbarians, i know.
but so is the chinese system.. barbaric. well, dont take my word: just ask members of the chinese populist political movement, the democracy movement.. the deep ecology movement.. oh thats right, there arent any who arent in hiding.. or dead.. or reprogrammed to be fine factory workers who only do and say what is expected. this is because they are more "civilized". right? uh huh..
and as for the usa, watch out! china is seen as a model civilization in MANY ways by corporate-elitist power brokers. we can expect USA to move TOWARD the current chinese model of population control (media control, social programming, 80 hour work weeks, etc.).
no culture loves financial success more than the chinese. watch the boom of consumerism there. watch.. its happening before your eyes, and it'd almost bring shame to an american in a fast food joint in a mall with credit card in hand. the corporate elite LOVE whats happening in china, LOVE the way the masses are so easily handled by an authoritarian state.
10,000 years of social conformity is easier to shape for the elite interest's; they are having more trouble here with us barbaric americans.
but really, wanna know who has a cooooo culture: the tibetans!!!! and yeah, rural china/chinese is fantastic. but there is no excuse for whats happening politically, in terms of human freedom, aspiration, or even culture: either here or there.
and hey, did someone say they had to pay $400 just to see hockey in the olympics? thats crazy.
There is considerable sense in Jcrumb's maniacal rants.
icrumb:
Jeeez, what gives, dude? You suffered a surly waiter or an overdose of msg in some Chinese restaurant? They didn't give you a fortune cookie, maybe?
Seek some help, dude...
One more thing..Yeah..yeah..so what?
NO MATTER WHAT FLAG YOU FLY, SOMEONE ALWAY'S THROWS ROCKS AT YOUR WINDOWS!
I re-read all the posts above..I read everything and do not limit myself..and I noticed that all these Psychotic Apologists for China seem to have a couple things in common..
They NEVER address or really even MENTION the actual REALITY..rivers gone..towns gone..killings..dissapearences...BEHEADINGS..Tibet! fer cryin out loud..TIBETY...NUFF SAID?..yeah..america is bad..but China is so much worse that it makes america look like Holland..
Another thing is they like to pretend that you cannot have an opinion regarding china if You have not BEEN THERE, or know the history etc...as if most of these assholes have been to every corner of America..or half the nations they comment on..or MET any of the people they are attacking..(and anyone who ACTUALLY reads these dialy posts and reports KNOWS how I feel about Amerika...duhhh..)and how many Chinese get to..uhh..TRAVEL? so uhh..I guess that is THEIR subconscious 'racist' way of saying that Chinese opinions on America DO NOT MATTER...what's in YOUR minds..??
Also they seem to like to rpetend that...somehow..Critisizing China is..Aplogizing for America>????????????< say what?..This..therefore..this!..is that Ad Hoc ergo propter hoc(sic?)
This is really odd..how can ANYONE..even someone with a MAIL ORDER BRIDE... as one idiot proudly states as his reason for loving China and believing it is a great place to live...even THAT should not compel you to IGNORE the..WORLD LEADERS in Pollution, POLITICAL murder...I mean REALLY..if America were ANYTHING like China..POSTING on this site would be a CRIME..and the "WATCH LIST" in CHINA? is ..(YEAH..I DO know this for a FACT)...EVERYONE!!!...YEAH...EVERYONE IS ON IT..EVERYONE'S VOICE IMPRINT WILL BE ON DIGITAL FILE ALONG WITH DNA, FACIAL RECOGNITION, AND ALL OTHER DATA..BY NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!...ONLY IN DER JUNIORS WILDEST DREAMS IS THAT POSSIBLE..BUT IN CHINA..IT IS REALITY...EVENTUALLY THIS WILL INCLUDE IRIS SCANS...HEY..9 OUT OF 10 AINT BAD...MAKES OUR PUNY 1,000,000 LOOK DOWNRIGHT QUAINT..
And they have more in common besides..but why go into that..they do not read "rebuttals" anyway...any opinion other than theirs ist Verboten!
So..APOLOGISTS..Pull your HEADS out of your ASSES...and stop playing the race card, and the "you don't know China" card...address the FACTS...assholes..and as for me being a "racist" ...OKAY sure..WHY NOT? when in comes to chinese Fascism..and Chinese OVERPOPULATION...okay..if that's what it's called now?..okay..fine!...Then I gladly ACCEPT THE CHARGE...and it seems to me..that like your VAUNTED CHINA..you seem to be ALL FOR CENSORING any view points you disagree with...Cenosring via PERSONAL ATTACK..the..LOWEST form of Limbaughing the "truth'..attack the speaker...and call em names..BRILLIANT! Censor by any means necessary..call em names and question their experience...and then CENSOR EM'...Brilliant...very...CHINESE of you...and thanks for the TITLE...Oh wow! I am a RACIST...I've never been called such a horrible thing..ohhhhh nooooo! i will run and hide in shame and never say another bad thing about China or anyone else..
And that above..I am trying to say is another annoying commonality amongst these Apologists...THE ARROGANT POSITION OF.."YOU ARE ALL UNWASHED HEATHENS WITH NO BOOK LEARNIN AND NO CYPHERIN SKILLS..SO HOW DARE YOU COMMENT ON WONDERFUL, FREEDOM LOVING, POLITICALLY AND SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED..........CHINA(?)"
SAY WHAT? SURELY YOU JEST?
GUESS WHAT APOLOGISTS...I DON'T GIVE A SHIT! CHINA IS SCREWED..AND THE PEOLE ARE CONTENT WITH IT..EVEN IN BURMA THEY PICK UP A RIFLE..IN CHINA THEY GET JOBS FOR 0.2 CENTS AN HOUR POSTING REBUTTALS TO DISSENT...GREAT! HOW DEMOCRATIC OF THEM...THEY SEEM LIKE REALLY GREAT PEOPLE..JEEZIS...SEND AWAY FOR ANOTHER WIFE...
TWAS EVER THUS...CHINA..ARBIET MACHT FREI! WELL..ACTUALLY IT WON'T...SORRY!
Hey Kivalis?
uhhh..are you part of the overt Chinese propaganda machine that is in overdrive to quell ALL DISSENT on the web?
As for "Traveling in China"..you might want to refrain from actually making the accusations without any facts..as you yourself seem to believe(?)..becasue guess what? I have RIDDEN A BICYCLE THROUGH LARGE SWATHS OF ASIA..AFRICA..AND..FOR THE RECORD..AMERICA..COAST TO COAST IN FACT...AND IN AMERICA..YEAH IT WAS THE 90'S..BUT ONLY IN AMERICA WAS I FREE FROM CHECKPOINTS, GUN TOTING BRIBE STEALING THUGS..ETC.ETC..ETC..IN FACT THE EBST EPERIENCE OF MY LIFE WITH AMERICAN POLICE..WAS ON THE BIKE..THEY MADE SURE WE WERE SAFE IN THE PARKS AT NIGHT..BIG CITY..SMALL TOWN..IT WAS UNIVERSAL...HOWEVER..IN THAI-LAND..SOUTH EAST ASIA..SURE..BUT IN THAI LAND..THE SUPPOSSED JEWEL OF ASIA..WE WERE ROBBED..WE WERE HELD AT GUNPOINT AND BY..THE "POLICE"....AND CHINA? WE WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO CHINA..GUESS WE POSED A "THREAT"..COUPLE CALIFORNIA KIDS ON THEIR BIKES..BUT THAT DID NOT STOP US FROM SEEING THE REFUGES..SUCH AS THERE ARE...MAKE KORE LOOK GOOD.(the only other place we were NOT allowed was LIBYA..as we left Egypt..by the way..ride the Nile river bank for a journey of a lifetime...no tours..on your own...those Felajin people are AMAZINGLY friendly..
Frankly for ANYONE to pretend that China is NOT a FASCIST state with the worst corruption on the planet for a "developed" nation is..strange..suspect in fact..and to pretend that China does NOT have a..population..uhh.."Problem" is..uhh..also..strange..in this case..Delusional..To pretend that China is NOT one of the most POLLUTED nations on earth is..PSYCHOTIC..a definite seperation from Reality..
The Bottom Line Kivalis(?) is that Amnesty Int. released YESTERDAY a report stating many of these same FACTS...and..OOOPS! Guess what...EVEN THE FORIEGN JOURNALISTS CANNOT READ THAT REPORT EVEN THOUGHT THE CHINAT GOVT. SAID THERE WOULD BE "PRESS FREEDOM" OPPS..LIES!..BECAUSE THE INTERNET IS BEING...UHHH..GEE WHAT'S THAT CALLED...OH YEAH.."CENSORED"...SO MUCH FOR YOUR VAUNTED CHINESE WONDERFULLNESS...YEAH LIKE AMERICA IS CENSORING THE AMNESTY INT. REPORT...OR..OH..I GUESS THEY AREN'T..BUT THE US IS "WORSE" THAN CHINA? OR..SUMPTHIN???
Yeah..KIVALIS..you sound like you are on the OTHER side of the ol LOOKING glass..How's Alice? Is she Six Feet Tall?
Look..whatever APOLOGISTS for China like to pretend....the reality..as basically EVERYONE KNOWS..is that China is in DEEEEEP SHIT..and the "Citizens" AKA PRISONER/CONSUMER/WORKERS...aint doing a THING about it!...China is now using the Olympics as an EXCUSE to "crack down" GOSH!..sounds so...enlightened!...
And..finally..KIVALIS..if China is so awesome..WHY is the entrie GLOBE watching and holding their breath?..Oh..Yeah..it's just lil ol me..I am the bad guy...FINE..asshole..I will GLADLY be the Bad Man..no sweat...
Jeezis..your like one of the apologists for HITLER..to make ANY excuse for China..or MUCH OF ASIA at bthis point..is...so fundamentally flawed as to be again...borderline PSYCHOTIC....just ask ANYONE in TIBET!..
And while your at it KIVALIS(?) why not actually address one of my CHARGES instead of playing the RACE CARD? Hunh? what's that? OHhhhhh..riiiight..because everything I said was out of direct experience or the pages of mother Jones to Rolling Stone to the World Fact Book..guess they got it wrong...and you have it right...asshole..go LIVE there eif it's so much better..THEN see how far your comments get..can the Chinese even ACCESS COMMON DREAMS? I really doubt it..although admittedly I do not KNOW for sure..but I'll bet Diamonds to Doughnut Holes that no Chinese citizen has access to this site...do you know?
yeah...'GAWD bless China'..in worse English than mine....that is pretty obvious Chinese Police Services..they are working OVERTIME to convince an unbelieving world that "all is well....all are welcome..all are welcome." yeah...riggghhht..but you know what? SURE..why NOT have Gawd Bless China..Cuz ONLY a miracle..a BLOODY MIRACLE is gonna save China from...ITSELF..PERIOD!...I doubt any less than that will have the slightest impact...
So...again I say..with complete conviction..CHINA IS A CORPORATE FASCIST STAE...THE FIRST PURE ALMOST PERFECT TECHNO FASCIST PRISON NATION..I SAY AGAIN..THAT CHINA WILL BRRED ITSELF INTO THE POLLUTED OCEANS...LONG BEFORE ANYONE ELSE...I STILL SAY OUR ONLY HOPE IS THAT CHINA DOES IN FACT BEGIN TO DEPLETE ITSELF AS A RESULT OF IT'S OWN POISONING..OTHERWISE...WE ARE ALL IN DEEPER SHIT AS A RRESULT OF CHINAS..."FORM" OF...EXISTANCE...POISONOUS....POLITICALLY, SOCIALLY, SPIRITUALLY...POISONOUS...'AND HIS NAME WAS DEATH..AND DEATH RODE A...MONGOLIAN PLAINS PONY...'
AN LIKE THAT!
REPORT: Iraq used by Bushites as a pretext for even more PROFITABLE murder, death, and anti-democratic activity...
REPORT: Afghanistan used by Bushites as a pretext to keep the terrorism pot boiling profitably, more death and destruction...
REPORT: The Chinese use the above and more as a pretext to do whatever the hell they want, why should they listen to any US of Murica crap when they can kill and murder and repress with the best of them...Murica...
REPORT: It has been discovered that the DNA of Chinese Communist Party memebers is vitually IDENTICAL to the DNA of Republican Party Members, and there is a similar amount of trace blood DNA on their hands...so much for FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, blood rules because IT MAKES MONEY....
How can we forget that the Chinese are the good commies while the Cubans are the bad commies?
Despite being an authoritarian fascist State they have cleverly blended in Western (Capitalist) methods including colonizing and setting up to rape Africa (done before as I recall).
As long as the people of China keep their mouth's shut, and have cell phones, the Internet (some limitations apply) and Starbucks they are happy as hell. Given a car and a condo high above (or in) the incredibly foul air which makes LA look a pure as Antarctica, they forget that Tienamen ever happened.
Of course there are the millions still wading in rice paddies or being forced to move as dams and other projects seize or destroy what little land or homes they have.
As for the question of why the Olympic Committee gave it to China? Amazing what a good blow job and a barrel of Yuan can accomplish.
as i could know that if all the "contries" suppose to have the human rights. I would definitily to choose to be an activist in America or some of the other countries in the other part of the world, i could destroy things as much as possible,However, i won't be killed and there will be lot of money to pay for me every year to keep me alive in prison, of course this is different and unfair for most of the people. So in my opinion china is doing the right thing in the right time there is no doubt that activists do lot of harm for every olympic games, GOD BLESS CHINA
GIVEN THE OLYMPICS PEACE
BRING BACK THE REAL OLYMPICS
HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE WILL LIKE CHINA
HOPE ALL THE CHINESE WILL LIKE THE WORLD
DEAN SPICINIA LEWINE
Peter202 July 29th, 2008 10:52 pm
leftk: It is spelled Tianamin Square.
Well you got the idea, didn't you?
I obviously know nothing about China if I can't even spell "Tianamin".
Thanks for your help.
If you want to understand some of the comments here on CD, please view the youtube video linked to below. Thanks.
http://www.danwei.org/the_thomas_crampton_channel/chinas_50cent_twitter_censors.php
America and friends if you are guilty of a crime you can't point your fingers at others doing the same.
kvals: 'The corporate media rarely reports on AI criticisms of the USA, but always reports on criticisms of China and other "competitors" or "enemies,"'
Amnesty International could include US violations in its reports on "enemy" violations, providing useful comparisons while also preventing US media from exploiting the reports. Why isn't AI doing this?
http://www.danwei.org/the_thomas_crampton_channel/chinas_50cent_twitter_censors.php
jesusofjonesboro, would you please be quiet? Giving China preferred trade status allows western capitalists to exploit its production slaves. Giving China the Olympics allows western capitalists to exploit its consumption slaves. Ethics are what we do at church, not at work. If only you would jump on the gravy train we wouldn't need to have this discussion.
It is very funny reading a bunch of people who don't know China, don't understand Chinese, have never read Chinese history, probably never visited or lived in China, understand even less about human rights, talk with so much ocnviction on the problems of human rights in China, as if Amnesty International and America have some special rights to use and interpret that term for the rest of the world. I would like to hear Amnesty International say something more about human rights abuses of Israel on Palestinians in illegally occupied lands. How come all the silence? Whenever someone put on a big banner and say they represent democracy, equality, or human rights, I become very suspicious.
I agree with martingale's comment that China should be urged to uninvite Bush, because of his war crimes.
therealwood said "Also, actually seeing an olympic event requires huge money. I tried to get a ticket to see a hockey game during the Salt Lake games and it was like four hundred dollars to watch Latvia play Kazahkstan. Just for the ticket! Brutal."
Here's what it is like for 2008 here in Hong Kong. I bought a couple of tickets for the Olympic equestrian events which are being held in Hong Kong. One ticket was about $20 and the other about $60.
As for the Chinese mentality, I think such comments sound like stereotypes nurtured by the MSM. Regardless if any or all of the earlier comments on this subject are true, this is an additional fact to consider: There are far more protests in China, on a regular basis, than in the USA. These protests are commonly against various levels of government, police, landlords and policies. What does that say about the USA mentality?
All these "human rights" groups have criticized Bush for attending the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing. Yet, not a single one of these groups have urged China not to allow Bush, the world's greatest war criminal, to attend the ceremony. Why the double standard?
The original purpose of these so-called "human rights" groups was to establish the West as the moral center of the universe. These groups allowed the West alone to pass judgement on the non-white peoples of the world, who were then trying to overthrow the shackles of centruries of Western oppression. "Human rights" just became another weapon in the arsonal of the imperialists, a stick to beat down any third world country who dared to pursue an independent path.
http://www.thomascrampton.com/china/beijing-olympics-advice-from-ex-cnn-journalist/
"Dang right. I have always been certain that its somebody's fault other than my own. :)"
Hahahahaha! The next time I'm late for work I'll blame China. I'm pretty sure my boss will accept that without question...!!!!! Sighhhh...
The fancy sounding 'Agence France Presse' has never once to my knowledge said that US is using 'liberation' for illegal occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
leftk: It is spelled Tianamin Square.
Cut China some slack: The article says they are Repressing Lawyers.
Could they come to DC?
China bashing. Exactly what the Neocons want to see.
Since the 60's I've been active against US militarism. But meditation groups aren't attacked by the US government and their heads chopped off and their organs harvested for organs for rich sick people. After the recent trouble in Tibet but before the Burmese government attack on peacefully demonstrating Buddhist monks I dreamed of the clouds clearing over the US but dark heavy clouds forming over Asia. The Chinese government has helped the devilish government of Burma harm a very spiritual culture. The most evil form of Fascism is the kind that suppresses the spiritual path of meditation. Hitler did this, it was join the Occult department of the Gestapo or die for the psychics and mystics of Europe. The Chinese government is a great spiritual danger to the whole world. May this dark Chinese leaderships' karma lead to their downfall. Yes there is a dark elite in the West too but its tyranny doesn't go as far into destruction of the spiritual potential of the species as that of the Chinese leadership.
Kivals, are you claiming that the US is barbaric in comparison to China?
jcrumb -- "China..will suffocate in it's own Feces…that may be our only hope."
What a racist prick. I have no problems with criticizing China for its neo-fascist or state-cpitalist society but dont bring your personal racist prejudices into it. Besides we in the U.S. with 5% of the worlds population and contributing to more than 30% of carbon emissions should be the last people on earth bringing China's environmental sins into such sharp focus.
AUMRJ July 29th, 2008 4:32 pm
Discussions like these blatantly expose those who genuinely care about human rights…and those who simply hate America.
Precisely! Some folks on the left only want to point out America's hypocrisy. I don't deny it exists-- but I'm against repression & exploitation wherever it's found not just in America and Israel.
I'm sick of leftists apologizing for China. As much as the American left might be in shambles, China has no left wing or progressive movement. Many Chinese know nothing about Tieneman square. When a book that decried Westernization became popular it was banned because the government was afraid of activism.
China is destroying the Tibetan culture, supporting genocide in Dafur and is in the middle of a colonial rape of Africa.
We hate when our government does this stuff, why should we be more lenient on China?
I consider myself to be a libertarian socialist and couldn't imagine a country further from that ideal than China-- a statist-authoritarian country.
TO ANYONE american WHO POINTS HIS FINGER AT CHINA. WAKE THE HELL UP PLEASE. america /israel are the worst in the whole world but you have the nerve to stand on your Common Dreams soap box and piont. It you don't have the guts or nuts to correct your own government then please shut the F up.
What bullshit! Like Obama, who probably doesn't know where China is, the yahoos are jumping on the dump on China bandwagon. Let's take a good look at the American prison system, or maybe . . . ah, what's the use. The whole thing is just another racist scam. The same day we indict a senator, we talk about corruption in China. Ahem.
Let us not forget that Bush is complicit in the abuse of human rights in China by attendig the opening ceremonies and thus lending the PRC the blessing of the USA. Why am I not surprised?
At some point recently I saw where the Chinese are adapting the American model of technilogical survelience of citizens. Lots of cameras going up. It struck me when I read that just how similar our societies are in some ways.
Certainly neither is very revolutionary these days, even though both have their roots in revolutions that promised so much more than this.
"I eagerly await news that China is responsible for Obesity in the west. Ohhh, these dastardly Chinese!!!!!"
Dang right. I have always been certain that its somebody's fault other than my own. :)
"...China Using Olympics As 'Pretext' For Crackdown..."
Naw! No way!!! C'mon!! You're effing kidding me, right?
Pahlease.
One more report, ok? One more study, to add to the documentation of dehumanization, destruction, exploitation, extraction, and "De-MOCK-ratization" of the world; one more thing to stop us from stopping them.
I just had a brief talk w/ a friend I ran into serendipitously, who asked me how the fight against "wetern civ is going." I told him there's not a wit of difference between "eastern and western" civilization. It's all bull__it.
There's the world, and there's this crap. The world doesn't need this crap anymore.
AUMRJ,
My wife is from China, and I have been many times and, though I cannot say I speak Mandarin, I have gotten to know many Chinese with my wife as translator. The common, everyday Chinese that I have gotten to know mostly do believe in social harmony. The social harmony one finds in China is not just the result of a repressive government, but an entire mindset that developed over thousands of years of civilization. One cannot completely separate the Chinese government from the Chinese culture and civilization, as it all flows together, just as the predatory behavior of the US government and corporations fits in with a history of genocide of the natives and enslavement of Africans.
Related to that, and relating to an earlier point by jcrumb (12:05 pm), barbarians always are quick to call the more civilized "slavelike" and "docile" to make them feel superior and secure, just as unruly adolescents have similar pejorative terms for their well-educated and polished elders. That is the way of the world.
By the way, it would only make sense to compare China's human rights record with that of other developing countries, past and present, and I am not sure that is done with any seriousness.
Maybe China will collect a few more "volunteers" for the "Bodies" exhibit. I hear it's a real money maker.
Hahaha. China puts more emphasis on social harmony...yeah, at the tip of a sword.
Discussions like these blatantly expose those who genuinely care about human rights...and those who simply hate America.
Here we go again! This is to laugh!
Generally agree with Kivals and what Samson says about it being done before in Atlanta re homeless etc.
The rest, in their railings against China, clearly have never been to China. They foolishly and wholeheartedly accept what their media tells them about China - the same media they don't believe when it comes to Iraq etc. Like I say, It is to laugh!
Come 2010, Vancouver will be doing the same especially against the indigenous peoples. And, of course, in London in 2012, the British will be doing the same against any Muslim or person with a funny sounding name.
I eagerly await news that China is responsible for Obesity in the west. Ohhh, these dastardly Chinese!!!!!
The only difference between China and the US is a matter of timing. China is a little more overt in their oppression. We are still in a slide toward a police state. It's only a matter of time. We still have guns.
Naughty, naughty, China. They just don't know how to accomodate human rights like us. Maybe we go there with our military and bomb and kill them into accepting the right way of doing things.
I have always hoped that someone with some money would start a new olympics that has no drug testing. Think of how entertaining that freak show would be. Also, actually seeing an olympic event requires huge money. I tried to get a ticket to see a hockey game during the Salt Lake games and it was like four hundred dollars to watch Latvia play Kazahkstan. Just for the ticket! Brutal.
jlocke123,
I know China has its faults, and it should receive some criticism. However, consider that China's executions are primarily of corrupt officials caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and also of those involved in some form of organized crime. In the US, the main crime is being born poor, or black, or especially poor and black. Because of the insane practice of doling out severe punishments to those involved in victimless crimes, the US leads the world in the incarceration rate.
And China does have significant corruption, as virtually every developing nation does, but the US is so deep in corruption that it has legalized it. I am sure most of those at CD recognize that our political campaign system is legalized corruption. Here, we outlawed virtually every activity the poor might engage in that might have some negative effect on society, but we legalized the actions of the elite to warp society for their benefit, no matter how much harm it caused to others or the future of the nation.
We in the US live in an ethical cesspool, and it is difficult to see it sometimes unless we view it from afar. What percentage of the income of the US government goes for the common good? Not much from what I have seen. Our so-called "representative democracy" apparently has no value in that it does not ensure that the government is responsive to the people's needs or desires.
This is great news if "undesirable" includes the Communist Party
Kivals, the world's number one polluter/rogue nation is in bad shape and deserved much criticism but let's not let China off the hook either. I think you are painting too rosy a picture. They have thousands of show trials/executions, massive corruption, and rule by a small super-rich elite that makes up the law as they go along. In short China is what the present day leaders in America aspire to create for themselves.
Samson,
I am aware that Amnesty International has been critical of the USA with regard to Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and a host of other issues, but not nearly to the degree it should. The USA should be the main focus of AI efforts, and that could help shift the opinion of USA citizens, which might or might not make a difference in the controlled political environment we live in. I get the impression that AI has an approach (similar to the one of the corporate media with regard to Democrats and Republicans) to provide equal grief to every perpetrator, regardless of whether the crimes are equal, so AI will not be accused of bias, even though that reduces its legitimacy and effectiveness.
And Defenestrator's point is a good one. The corporate media rarely reports on AI criticisms of the USA, but always reports on criticisms of China and other "competitors" or "enemies," and that makes it even more problematic for AI to use an artifically "even-handed" approach.
Yeah, Amnesty takes on the US government pretty regularly. The problem is really that you'd have to go out of your way to find it; the US media does not report it when Amnesty does a report on The US role in the worldwide arms trade or something like that. You have to go to the BBC.
"I cannot trust Amnesty International or any human rights organization that so infrequently challenges the USA."
I take it you've seen the many AI campaigns against torture both abroad and in US prisons. Here's one ...
http://www.amnestyusa.org/torture/get-involved/page.do?id=1031009&n1=3&n2=38&n3=1053
china needs a pretext for crackdowns? oh, i get it.. kinda like the usa's pretext that 12 towelheads on camels somewhere in the desert 6000 miles away is the reason for spying on americans and turning this country into a facist police state controlled by privatized armies.
it makes sense that any non-democratic government would use a pretext for crushing freedom. i mean, its just reasonable to have promotional media spin instead of just crushing people without a pretext, like china used to do (see falung gong). but NOW china is a rising country, modern enough to copy the more sophisticated ways our americanpoliticians crush freedom here and abroad: pretext. it works!
"Since when have the Olympics EVER been more than an excuse to exploit amateur athletes to "
Well, its at least been a very long time since there were any 'amateur athletes' in the Olympics. That's one exploitation that's been ended. But the others you list are still pretty much on target. Maybe add just funneling big buckets of construction money to well connected friends of politicians as another big purpose of the games.
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In general, I completely disagree with the idea of discontinuing the Olympics. That's because I've had the good fortune to be in Atlanta during those games.
Yes, there is a great deal wrong about the lead up to the games. They are overly commercialized. There are always issues around construction and who gets relocated and whether the money to build these arenas could be better spent.
But, after all that is wrong. There really still is an Olympic spirit. It comes from the people who come from all around the world to see the game and cheer on their athletes. It is truly amazing to walk around an Olympic city and meet all the people. And everyone is friendly. And everyone there generally believes in peace.
I remember standing in line to watch track and field the day after our local white, Republican, right-wing extremist had tried to kill people in the Olympic park the night before. To be standing in that line was to see the whole world come together to reject such violence.
Yes, there's a lot of bull from the promoters and the sponsers. But its still not a bad thing to bring lots of people from around the world together in a place and spirit of peace.
Actually, I don't think the Chinese know what they are about to see. At least not their government. The people around Beijing and the other Olympic sites are about to get an amazing glimpse of the world and its peaceful people the Chinese government can't control.
No, just cancelling the Olympics is a horrible idea. Anyone who's ever been to an Olympics could tell you that. I guess it can only seem that way to someone who just watches in on TV.
I really wish I could go to Beijing to go see this. Not for the corporations. But to experience that wonderful feeling of seeing the world come together.
And the silence of any and all elected and non-elected officeholders(starting with Bush) is absolutely deafening.
Something rather similar occurred in Atlanta prior to the 1996 Olympics.
The only difference is that the 'undesireables' were the homeless and not the human rights activists in town.
But here in the good ol USA, we did pretty much the same rounding of 'undesirables' and making sure they weren't in town to spoil the Potemkin village image we wanted to present to the world.
Since when have the Olympics EVER been more than an excuse to exploit amateur athletes to legitimatize removing undesirables, driving up property values, taking over large urban areas for "redevelopment" .. and generally furthering the Corporate agenda?
It is hopelessly naive and hypocritical to expect the Chinese to behave any differently than any of the other cities and countries that have hosted the Olympics.
The Olympics should be discontinued for the sake of humanity.
It would appear that the IOC's greed has gotten the better of them and they are stuck with an Olympiad that has the potential to be as embarrassing as the 1936 Berlin Olympics (though it should be pointed out that the games were awarded to Berlin before Hitler came to power). That Jacques Rogge & Co. knew full well whom they were dealing with only increases the amount of rotten egg on their collective faces.
jcrumb,
How much time have you spent in China? It seems, your opinions have been fashioned by the US corporate propagandists. I have traveled widely in China and from what I have seen China's pollution problems are roughly equivalent to those in the USA in the 1960s before the EPA, the Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. And China is much less of a police state than the USA. And China is working much more towards energy efficiency than the USA. It is just that the Chinese recognized that if they did not catch up industrially with the West, that they would be subjugated again as they were following the Opium Wars and up until the Communist Revolution in 1949, and so to avoid that fate they are willing to tolerate more pollution for now than rich Westerners would accept.
As for the Chinese being slavelike, that sounds overtly racist. The Chinese are much more civilized than Americans, and put much greater emphasis on social harmony. I think that approach is absolutely essential if the human race is to survive this century.
It is the USA that is the threat to human survival, not China. The corporate oligarchs that run the USA appear determined to give humanity two choices -- enslavement of the many by the few (with the many controlled by a totalitarian worldwide police state) or extinction.
China may very well be the death of us all..sorry..but it's true..
I am not a jingoist..not a racist..I am ANTI-Fascist...and that is one of my problems with China...of course their beligerent....almost ARROGANT race to destruction is...also something I am...frustrated...by.
China..will suffocate in it's own Feces...that may be our only hope..otherwise, I fear, China will be the model for the end of Humanity...a SOUL KILLING level of corruption, environmental destruction..flat out EVIL..a very strange Eastern form of EVIL..a kind of..BUILT IN slave mentality..thousands of years of "philial piety" etc..has indoctrinated the Chinese to "OBEY"..and thusly..thy have become the first TRUE "CORPORATE FASCIST NATION". You are "free" to Work, Consume..and Die!..and your consumerism is strictly regulated under penalty of DEATH to only the MOST crass onsumer "goods"..plastic..NOT ideas..Styrofoam..NOT books..etc..etc..etc..
China..where the Water is "black as ink" and in just 30 years..where you have a population of "non-persons"..Chinese by birth..but because the "parents" could not or would not "do the paperwork"..or could not afford the Bribes...associated with reproductive "license" they have begun to create a GENERATION of people that have EVEN LESS "RIGHTS" as if that were possible..in other words..a SLAVE CLASS FOR SLAVES...WOW!
And..weirdly..even the names are reflecting the corruption..with children having the number of thir BRIBE added to thier names.."Lieu Chen 20,000" for example...so..uhh..well..yeah..CHINA...the SPIRITUAL DEATH..
Whatever..talk amongst yourselves...do what you will..
I thought this piece was about Iraq. Had to recheck the headline.
I can not understand why the Olympic Committee was so stupid as to ever select China...
By far the greatest abuser of human rights in the world today is the USA, not just through the current horrific acts in Iraq and in prisons under its control where torture is used, and not just through the IMF, World Bank, and WTO forcing other nations to open themselves to corporate predators, but by consistent threats, directed towards all the non-wealthy nations of the world, of invasion and obliteration if governments try to prevent enslavement of their people and exploitation of their resources by the world corporate order headquartered in the USA.
I cannot trust Amnesty International or any human rights organization that so infrequently challenges the USA.
Gee whiz. I thought that giving a brutal, totalitarian government the Olympics would help improve conditions for its people. That idea certainly worked for Germany in 1936, didn't it?
Letting the Chinese host the Olympics has had about as much ameliorative effect on its society as establishing free trade with China has had in bringing that country democracy.
Maybe someday, most people will start to see the visionary pronouncements of corporate leaders for exactly what they are: bullshit.
jj