Why just Rice? The entire US government should go on trial.

Ah, because throwing around terms like "neocon" and "zionista" is usually a strong indicator of an amicable individual. Why not just admit the hostility you harbor?

Regardless, if you ever get back to discussing matters of substance, give me a buzz and we'll have a go.

Thankfully, like your other liberal-economic notions on what people "deserve" to make, we still are entitled to negotiate and contract. But I'll certainly take your assertions under advisement.

No, I haven't responded to said 952 "lies" because you haven't presented them. It isn't scholarly to pass off others' assertions as your own, you know. Nor have I claimed that members of the administration are above lying. You're welcome to provide me with the information you continually refer to, but instead you're simply trying to win an argument by proxy. The Plame outing? What about it? I didn't know we had turned the discussion to Armitage.

I appreciate that you're unable to respond to my factual assertions about HC (although your red-herring FISA discussion may be of strategic utility in arguments with other people). However, you really should read the opinion, you'd probably agree with the absurdities contained in it.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't find vitriol in your words. People filled with spite (in your case, for America perhaps? Israel? Jewish people? Surely conservatives?) rarely admit their own hatred.

Seeing as avoid discussing free market economics, HC, or the terrorist activities perpetrated by Palestinians, what's next on your far-left list of talking points?

Wow, now I'm a Zionist. You've graduated to anti-semitism, congratulations. Many of your fellow radicals have been waiting for you.

Your reply was not substantive, and you know it. Hence you rambling on with verbose rhetoric that still...lacks substance. Stop referencing the talking points of other fringe liberals and reach your own conclusions. But I suspect you're way beyond that point.

I love your diatribe on habeas corpus. However, your reason and ability to digest legal issues leaves this discussion lacking. Sure, we could classify everyone as an enemy combatant and suspend the writ. Just like we could classify all speech as profanity, or all searches as reasonable. The possibility of abuse exists with every right and every classification related to such a right. Does this mean people should be able to incite riots or that searches should never be allowed, because restrictions could be abused? Unfortunately, the answer from you might be yes (but of course, the rich should still be stripped of their earnings so that said earnings can be redistributed, but you're only selectively for government intervention and restriction, right?)

PSYOPS on Americans? Really? Did they come and deceive you? Were you persuaded by the powers of W when you saw him on the corporate-run media outlets? I forgot about the day they dropped those flyers over my house, and when the 4th Airborne dropped into my neighborhood to persuade us to go to war. Oh wait, none of that ever happened. It exists only in the mind of pseudo-intellectual conspiracy theorists who rail against the United States because they're too timid to entire the fray of political and social reality. Keep fighting the good fight, us conformists will be out there actually making an impact.

My mother is quite proud. You'd hate her. She's hard working and believe that she is ultimately responsible for her life (I know, how antiquated!). I think you should go to Gaza. Your vitriol for the Jewish community would allow you to adjust quite easily.

Writing like an adult may further lend credibility, but I'm sure you're eager to break the ties of the oppressive and generally accepted style of authoring a reply. Wow, you're so different. We get it.

Yes, ensuring transparency and deceitful conduct. You've done well in avoiding a substantive reply. I salute you in your evasiveness.

Further, "dipwad," Boumediene didn't establish the right to HC, it extended HC to to non-citizen prisoners held as EC's. Perhaps you should actually read the opinion, or better yet, the precedent which it twisted (Johnson v. Eisentrager) before displaying your utterly inept understanding of the matter.

PSYOPS is serious, but your usage wasn't. You're trying to use military terminology where it so painfully doesn't apply. I love it when people with absolutely no grasp on intelligence or military issues do things like this, as it costs them all credibility and paints them as the left-field conspiracy theorists they are. So on second thought, you go right ahead and use such terminology.

National security classification and immunity have to do with executive privileges and...wait for it...NATIONAL SECURITY. You're using with reference to my definition of a free-market economy, which is a laughably irrelevant application.

I'd love to do standup for a living, sounds fun no? Perhaps you could join me on tour, if we could ever lure you from your mother's basement. Gaza seems like a good destination, after all, they're an entirely peace loving people! Ask anyone, perhaps some people who were in line in Vienna or Rome...around 1985...at an El Al ticket counter.

A) I'm not a neocon. Here is a tip for those of you on here wouldn't mind increasing your credibility: Not everyone who disagrees with your radical agenda is a neoconservative.

B)My definition of free-market economics refers to an economic system where regulation is minimal, and the regulation that does exist is premised almost entirely on ensuring transparency and avoiding deceitful practices. But no, I don't think we need regulation to determine how much profit a company should be able to make.

C)I did read Boumediene, and was greatly disheartened by the judicial overreaching and inconsistency of the majority. Like many activist decisions, it distorted precedent and fabricates a previously unrecognized right.

D) Haha, using terms like "PSYOPS" makes it extremely difficult for people to take you seriously. I suspect this isn't a concern for you, as many on here purposefully support radical positions as to avoid the actual confrontation which results from taking up viable stances. Therein lies the hypocrisy of the radical agenda.

So you're saying Mossad was responsible for 9/11? Wow, pretty out there.

Also, habeas rights were never eliminated, there is absolutely no credible evidence pointing to false flag actions, we have attacked NO innocent country nor have we targeted non-combatant US citizens. Using the term "excessive" to refer to profits is the language of tyrants who seek to incite class warfare, and you have no credible evidence pointing to high-level mandates of torture without expectation of intelligence.

I only wish I were shocked by your assertions. However, people who hate personal autonomy and free-market economics will go to any length to discredit those who disagree with them. Unfortunately, they'll illegitimately disparage their own country in order to advance a radical agenda, behavior which many on this site exhibit.

Peacegurl,

You're certainly entitled to your opinions regarding firearms. My only objection would be with those who emphasize the Bill of Rights without including the Second.

You're right, creating your own food source and moving to another area simply aren't practical for a lot of people. However, as you probably recognize, I don't think practicality is something to be guaranteed by government. Further, I see no reason why Americans can't enact the changes they want without the tyranny that has so often accompanied socialistic policy. You're right, I blame the people for the ills. That is because I believe in personal responsibility and autonomy, not in group responsibility or governmental responsibility. I suppose we're at an impasse if you believe everyone is entitled to some standard of quality of life. I believe everyone should be free to pursue a high standard of living, but I certainly don't think it should be provided to them. As I've stated, I'm absolutely for charity and for societal welfare (provided by choice, by that society), but I'm against giving which is forced by the arm of government.

Veracity:
I agree that security can provide cover for oppression, but I also believe that government is charged with providing security, and it may sometimes come at a cost. No civil right is limitless. Do you think security is never a valid reason for curtailing a civil right? If so, does the same reasoning apply to other guarantees in the Constitution?

AUMRJ: I respect your right to express your opinions and this forum certainly honors the 1st Amendment.As for the 2nd Amendment I recognize it as law of the land but I don't like guns.
Clearly our life experiences differ greatly.I agree that we should help each other but it getting more and more difficult for us to help ourselves.Your suggestions to move, grow our own foor and not buy corporate products are not viable choices for many.
Our government takes plenty of taxes from us and yes we are ENTITLED to something in return.
You seem to blame the people of America for our ills which is an interesting perspective.
We have "massive government intervention" now but little of it helps us.
I welcome the kind of intervention that would value all life over profit.Kindness and humanity is not just the responsibility of the people.Entitlement to quality of life seems a reasonable expectation.
By the way I find your position as incredibly frigtening as you find mine.

AUMRJ: If paying for healthcare is living the American Dream, I'm well chuffed to be wide awake in New Zealand. I know what you mean though.

Our system ain't perfect, no doubt, and sure there are freeloaders that abuse it, but everyone in this country is entitled to fundamental healthcare (if they can wait for it). It's pretty cool. Sure you get taxed more for it - but it's saved my sons life without crippling me financially.

I'll never say a mean thing about our welfare state.

Un-Common Dreams, what State has unlawfully spied on you or done harmful things to you? I suspect none. As for freedom of speech, I think that is a great point to bring up. Many American liberals long for us to be more like the states of Europe, and then bring up freedom of speech. Of course, several European countries (and Israel and Canada) have Human Rights Tribunals or something similar which actually punish those who utter unpopular speech. Funny how many of those doing the whining don't seem to care much when conservative speech is punished for being (laughably) "intolerant." Are your kids suffering from poor air? If so, I'd recommend moving and trying to make changes from a safer environment. I have no idea what you're talking about regarding food, but you're free to establish your own food source. You're certainly entitled to NOT purchase food from companies you have problems with.

PeaceGurl, first, get a grip. I questioned your nationality for the purpose of continued discussion, not as an insult. I have no idea what nation you reside in, and it would be rather fruitless for me to talk to you about American policies (as a citizen) if you were actually in another country.

Second, your entitlement ideology is incredibly frightening. You don't have to purchase corporate products. Feel free to farm your own food and make your own medicine. You have great pharmaceuticals because those greedy corporations spend billions on research and hiring. Feel free to avoid unsafe products. Nobody is making you support the corporations you oppose (and obviously benefit from).

People aren't entitled to money or healthcare. They should feel free to earn those things, which is an essential part of the American Dream you speak of. I'm simply stunned by the concept that Bush is somehow "evil" because he doesn't provide for people, but instead forces them to rely on themselves. What a foreign concept: personal responsibility. Yes, some people are doing their best and still struggling in a big way. Guess whose responsibility it is to help them? Ours. Not government's. I suspect the difference between you and me is that you feel the government should heavily regulate business and provide for all citizens, while I feel that doing such things is within our (citizens) power. WE can force corporations to act more responsibly. WE can help out the people who truly need helping. We're much more efficient, and we're much more responsible. Plus, there is the added bonus of not having to deal with the massive threat of tyranny that accompanies massive government intervention (which ironically, people on your side of this argument never mention--despite being notably concerned with constitutional rights).

Further, I love when extremist liberals bring up the Constitution. Of course, they become less adamant about it when the second amendment is at issue or where conservative speech is at issue. Selective advocacy, it seems.

Thanks for your responses. Many of the sentiments expressed on here are truly horrifying and painfully ignorant about economic and political reality, but it makes for interesting banter nonetheless.

What have we lost to greed and corruption? See the Suicide Solution in the 072808 edition of Common Dreams.

Gutted, I live in Wellington but was so busy shifting house over the weekend I had no idea Condi was here.

She has now referred to NZ as an 'ally', the first time I think we've been refered to as such since we rejected their nuclear warships. Hooray! With friends like these . . .

Re 'Zaz's comment about advertising drugs on TV - we advertise prescription drugs and alcohol. That's about it that I'm aware of.

Yes I am American, why does anyone who dissents have his/her nationality questioned? We have leaders who have been PROVEN to be liars and thousands have died because of it.Yes I think these actions are criminal.
We need go no further than Corporate greed to answer what has been taken from us. (bad food, bad medicine, unsafe products, etc, etc...all for the mighty dollar).
I've worked as a public servant for 38 years and cannot afford to retire, I own a home because my parents were killed and I got their life insurance...otherwise I'd still be renting. Every day I speak to hard working disabled people who cannot afford medicine or treatment because they have no money or healthcare.
I am worse off than my parents and you see that trend everywhere. I submit that the American Dream has been taken away, hard work does not get you much more than existence. A tiny percent of Americans have all the wealth while many suffer.
I would challenge the "adult objectivity" of those who still support the Bush agenda despite the many examples of its disregard for the American people.
As far as "entitlement" I feel that comes from our Constitution and laws;unfortunately being eroded each day.
Taking responsibility for one's actions is taking a stand for what one believes is right...that is why we protest and speak out.Thank God for all the trendy people who protested during Viet Nam and the Civil Rights Movement!

Adda go Victoria University.

Make sure the rope is nice and tight. She has a way of lying her way out of any predicament. Case in point:

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

She must think we're half daft ... Keep repeating the lie Condi.

Impeach the bastards. And if that don't work, then impeach the bastards who are refusing to impeach the bigger bastards. Hell... we ain't going no where. They think they'll get away from warcrime responsibility? Fuckem.

... "If so, I'd love to know how greed and corruption have taken something from you you're otherwise entitled to...."

Er... how 'bout our right to coexist peacefully on planet Earth with nations who have not threatened us?

And are we not 'entitled' to live without the state doing so many harmful things to us?
Are we not 'entitled' to communicate with each other without being unnecessarily spied upon?
Are we not 'entitled' to something called 'liberty', - and freedom of speech?

I once had this foolish notion that we were entitled to live on "God's Golfball" without the greedy CEO's wrecking the environment for all the rest of us.
Am I not 'entitled' to breathe clean air and not have my family's food messed up by greedy beings whose only thought is for their own profits, but not the health of fellow citizens?

Maybe I got it wrong somewhere along the line, but I once had the silly notion that I was maybe 'entitled' to be able to vote without 'corruption' thwarting / usurping the peoples' voice and distorting / manipulating the results. ~ Silly me!

You're right of course... "What have the Romans ever done for us!"

:)

It isn't sad. It is absolutely accurate. The vitriol spewed regarding the administration is trendy. It is trendy to hate Bush and label any conservative politician as a war criminal, even though the speaker usually has absolutely no clue about war crimes or the jurisdiction of the ICC. People should and do feel free to protest. Whether their protests have substance is another matter.

Responsible adult to me means someone who is capable of objectively reaching conclusions, supporting those conclusions with evidence, and presenting said evidence in a mature and intelligent manner. It means taking responsibility for one's own actions, and encouraging others to do the same.

How does greed and corruption factor in to people providing for their families? Does that keep you from going to work everyday? I don't think so. Are you American? If so, I'd love to know how greed and corruption have taken something from you you're otherwise entitled to.

Responsible adults? What does that look like to you: keep your mouth shut, don't think, don't question and pay your taxes!? We are all trying to "provide for our families and educate our children"...we just can't afford to because of the greed and corruption running rampant in our country today.
To call challenging the current regime trendiness is really sad.
I work AND I protest and I will continue to do so until there is Significant change.

Some students still protest. Others buck the trendiness of hating the political and economic establishment and become responsible adults who provide for their families and educate their children. I suspect they eventually pay for the livelihood of many of their protesting peers.

Where are our students today? Kept from protesting or ignoring the truth? Or too busy wondering how to get through college with decreasing funds.

As far as Americans doing likewise?

Guess nobody reads Michael Moore's site anymore.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2537776420080725?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&r...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=11969

Des Moines police arrested four people Friday who attempted a citizen's arrest of former White House adviser Karl Rove.

A retired minister and three members of the Des Moines Catholic Workers community were cited for trespassing and released.

The four accused Rove of election fraud and conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States in the time before the Iraq war. The arrest complaint also says they accused Rove of treason, sedition and subversive activities for fraudulent acts leading to the deaths of 300,000 Iraqi civilians and 4,000 U.S. Military personnel.

Hang Condi? Wow, extremely frightening. The unabashed hate for America is startling, especially when compared to the defeatist attitude when it comes to terror. This is the same type of politically correct garbage that has allowed Islamic extremism to reach crisis levels in parts of Europe. I sincerely hope that this attitude of appeasement and political correctness does not result in a dark era for EU countries and others like NZ, but I'm afraid it likely will. We're in an era where people are too afraid of being politically incorrect to even utter the name of the faith many terrorists subscribe to, and that is simply horrifying. The UN has been painfully inept at combating terror, but will openly condemn accurate portrayals like Fitna.

Further, I welcome the attempt to impose international justice on American politicians. I would absolutely love to see that attempted. By all means, proceed. Perhaps then international residents will realize that the ICC and other tribunals have the jurisdictional weight of Amnesty International or the Vatican when it comes to imposing punishment on Americans. Thanks, and I look forward to your pleas of help resulting from your absurd policies of appeasement. And of course, we will be there to help, as we usually are.

What a crock- like we've done everything to end the war on drugs!
Rice is full of it and so is Bush and his whole administration!

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

Damn!!!

thank you! there is hope, yet...

New Zealandars, You were the first to point out the poison of nuclear powered ships and prevented them from entering your waters.

Now you have rightly pointed to policy makers in a democaratic country who has knowingly violated human rights and caused untold mehem at the start of the 21st century.

Another century lost to wars and hatered.

We hear you, we Love you mates.

I am Amerikan and wish the whole Bushie administration would be arrested. I would cheer for a month at least. I am still in shock that this e-mail will be 'screened' by the powers that be. I have no privatcy. No personal freedom. Hang Condi?? I say hang all of them high. Tonite would be fine!!

Lawlessone: You are right on...that's the way it works in AMERIKA.

What the NZ students don't seem to understand that there can be no war crime unless someone who doesn't speak English commits it. Atrocities are only atrocities when someone small of stature and dark of hue with strange headgear and a three day growth of stubble performs them.

Come to think of it, no one is even allowed to be chastised in this government unless they do due something truly horrific and despicable like, say, have consensual sex with someone.

It is similar to financial crimes. Rob a corner grocery store of twenty dollars in the till and go to the Can for life. Rob your investors, your borrowers, and the tax payers of a trillion dollars and go to Cancun for life.

Condi, Bush's handmaiden, should be indicted with the rest of the war criminals from the Bush regime.

Absolutely Rice needs to be arrested and tried for her action against the Iraqi people and so does Rumsfiled, Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell and all of Bush's administration who backed him AND Knew it was a lie!!
Go for it New Zealand and hopefully other countries will do the same especially since our own government won't a lift a finger!!!

I will proudly cheer them on.

I did that when Rumsflied narrowly missed getting nabed in the country he was in. Sure wish they would have gotten his ass then.

New Zealand suffers much from bullshit US propaganda, our TV screens are full of it, non-stop.
The reason it doesn't work so well down here is because we treat religion as a sick joke perpetrated by the mentally ill.
If somebody tries to make unprovable claims about their all-powerful invisible friend here in New Zealand we all just laugh at them.
The USA needs to do the same.
We may be a nothing country at the arse-end of the planet, but at least our bullshit detectors are still fully functional.

"...to live up to international laws and obligations" - This from the nation that signs but never ratifies in order to have itself a loophole that means that though it has signed, it is not bound by nor to, any convention of international law.

The daze of bait-and-switch and bullshit are over. This is the 21st Century. Apple pie will kill you.

I don't know who it was that said the United States did everything they could against terrorism, but you missed the whole thing. Our "Industrial Complex" caused the atmosphere for terrorism. They were the ones who went into other countries along with Great Britain and other European countries and toppled the leaders, or assassinated these leaders and put into office puppet leaders who looked the other way after receiving lots of our tax payers' money and gifts, again compliments of us the taxpayers.

Their people were abused a worked under conditions that are deplorable at pennies an hour for 16 or more hours a day, with 2 15 minute breaks a day, that includes bathroom privileges.

Yes Rice deserves to be accused of war crimes along with lots of other people. More power to the youth of New Zealander. I wish they would succeed. And will cheer if they do.

On another note, did anyone notice that once going back to Afghanistan to complete the original mission of finding the 9-11 terrorists was brought up (by Obama) SUDDENLY Condi makes a statement that we need to shift our attention to Afghanistan!!!! And WHY in the past 5 years did this not occur to her?????

Speak truth to power. That always makes me laugh. Power knows the truth. It always has and it always will.

curmudgeon, well said. How atypical of the US zombie-state that our citzenry don't speak truth to power (except for a few people scattered about on blogs such as CD, etc.), but in foreign countries the people are making a statement about what they think of US hegemony and war crimes. Although this is mostly due to our media being completely in bed with the government, and spewing only propaganda, when they opt to spew anything at all. What do you expect from a nation who's top news is focused on the latest Britney meltdown and celebrity bullshit, and the majority of its citizens don't even know - let alone care - that their own government is guilty of the most heinous war crimes in the history of the planet?

Good for you, Australian youth. If only you had more power and louder voices.....

Murder, He Wrote.
More can be done here in this vibrant democracy of the USA.

Charlie Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi charges Bush with murder in his new book called "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder". In it, he makes a legal case against Bush that can be brought by any prosecutor in any district where a US soldier had been killed in Iraq.

His record of murder prosecution is good, 21 convictions, no losses.

See Bugliosi's interview on DemocracyNow.org
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/citing_iraq_war_renowned_attorney_vincent

"claim to be peaceful but vent such violence to one parson."

At the risk of sounding apologetic of the NZ student protesters , where were the molotov cocktails , the thrown rocks and bricks...If there was ONE act of violence as you say , do you think that AP would have missed a chance to broadcast the photos ?

From your reactionary point of view you would have cast Dietrich Bonhoeffer as a "venter of violence to one person(Adolf Hitler). Sadly , he was the only "venter of violence to one person" and just before the end of Hitler and the Third Reich , in a act of "bold" defiance Hitler had DB hung very publicly by piano wire which obviously was just punishment for your interpretation of violence

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

Well apparently not 'everything.' They could have just brought the troops home. And implementing a surge contrary to the findings of a commission Bush employed (headed by James Baker), probably is not a good way to end it either.

Just a thought...

It is our duty as thinkinbg human beings to hound them to the ends of the earth for their crimes against humanity....if they get away without consequences, it will just encourage the next batch of fascists.

The only way to end the cycle of abuse it to make a strong example of them...something the US congress seems unable or unwilling to undertake.

Good. I'm looking for a new country. Where the heck is NZ, anyway? Do they admit former US citizens for residency?

"Take them to the Hague" in Maori - Haere atu ki te Hague means "go away to the Hague". Thanks for all the nice things said about NZ, but I am ashamed that our so-called progressive Prime Minister Helen Clark even hosted Condaleeza Rice, Handmaiden of Torture who lies through her "teeth". These students braved a "weather bomb" to protest. Our police are itching to get tasers, see http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/ta201207.htm
there has already been a trial run.
But we do have a fine tradition of creative non-violent protest which the police mostly handle well. Recently an anti-GE protester won a courtcase against the police who peppersprayed him maliciously. But the best protest of all this year was the popping of the US spy satellite ball at Waihopai ..read about it here http://ploughshares.org.nz/original-statement/

Dager--

I think you meant "pray" instead of "prey"--unless you are indulging an ironic sense of humor.

As an Australian, let me say how sorry I am that my country is not more in line with N.Z. Instead, under Howard and now Rudd, we continue to toady to America and support its dangerous militaristic imperialism.

Those New Zealanders sure are free thinkers and have a backbone. Well done!

www.dangerouscreation.com

NZ - I hope more folks from NZ consider posting on CD. The Maori link is great! How do you say "Take them to the Hague" in Maori?

It is amazing how many people on this post who claim to be peacful but vent such violence to one parson. Sad very sad, Love those who least deserve it and prey for your enemies.

I don't want her arrested before her bosses. They are all guilty and she does not need to be scapegoated as a woman!

I'D MUCH RATHER SEE CHENEY GUTTED LIKE THE PIG HE IS!!

War crimes, what war crimes. If you believe that you'r not actually torturing a suspect, it's not really torture.

Justice is long overdue for these low-life Bushies.

Great job NZ!!!

What the Bush administration loves to do when they or their clients are criticized and protested against is to say that such criticisms and protests are a triumph of democracy. Bush says these kinds of things when Iraqis and Afghans yell "Death to America" after have loved ones destroyed by America's favorite weapons of mass destruction.
Crimes against peace, or aggression, cannot be prosecuted at the Hague (its only for crimes committed by our enemies: al-Bashir, Milosevic, ect.), so New Zealanders and Europeans have the right idea, as soon as these murderous goons land on your soil, try to have them arrested.

earthian (9:08) I'm sure you're right about NZ. However it blew my mind when I learned that NZ and the US are the only two countries where drugs can be advertised on TV. Like I said it blew my mind. N.Z.??

And I thought OUR anti-war people were gutless! Uh, sorry NZ-kids, but how lame. But, at least you tried...(I guess!)

P.S......BOO!

This is how the US media holds Condolensces Rice accountable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyxbUh2-uRo

Anybody who tried this in the good ol' US of A would be tasered and transferred immediately to an offshore prison for daily waterboarding for, oh, 10 - 15 years or so.

Kinda makes you proud, don't it?

I've spent quite a bit of time in New Zealand. It is one of the most progressive nations in the world. My friends there *don't' know anyone* in New Zealand who approves of George Bush and his criminal administration.

Bravo to the Kiwi students!!!

And bravo to the astonishing transition New Zealand has made to a proportional electoral system: Mixed Member Proportional (MMP). This Kiwi reform effort constitutes an example that every American progressive needs to study, for they shifted from a US-like (minus legalized campaign bribery) two-party system to a real five to seven party proportional legislature. The great thing about this, is that with five to seven parties, the legislature becomes both a mirror of society's diverse composition, and a microcosm of the preferred policies of the Kiwi citizenry.

Here is a link to a good summary of New Zealand's great electoral system reform effort:

http://www.elections.org.nz/study/history/printer_history-mmp.html

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

My jaw dropped when I read this quote. She actually believes her own bullshit.

It's lonely at the top.

where do I mail you a check. Thank you NZ students.

Okay Progressives snap out of it! As satirical street theater this is a rich,funny and rollicking good time, but let's try not to forget who started such nonsense. It was Bushco with their "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters of Osama Bin Laden and their deck of cards with the "most wanted" of the Saddam Hussein regime.

Most of the occupants of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagrahm, Diego Garcia, and the rest of the torture Gulag either controlled by or under contract to Bushco are populated by the objects of grudges or petty political rivaliies whose turning in made a handsome profit for their betrayers.

When we seriously adopt the ways of the enemies of our liberties we then become what we are suppossed to be against and then who has "won" the supppossed "War on Terror"?

Where do I send my check?

Cindy Sheehan is on the ballot. Hopefully our students will get out there to help get her elected. For the good of all.

If young people are afraid, they've played right into the hands of the fascists. Brainwashed and trained from Day 1. I thought this was "The Home of the Brave." The Code Pink lady wasn't afraid to confront Rice face-to-face.

Good job, New Zealanders, and a big Thank You. :)

Hey Condi Rice!
Did you think it was nice
To try to scare us
with mushroom skies?
The smokng gun
Was the CIA note.
The one you hid
And tried not to qoute.

This does remind me a little bit of the movie Slap Shot, where Paul Newman puts a bounty on the other team's captain. These college kids should be careful, if the money is right, Blackwater might jump on it!

Peace protests by U.S. university students????

The students up at University of maryland's Frostburg State University are too busy drinking beer, eating pizza, having sex and engaging in drunken street brawls.

This bounty on Dr. (Ghengis)Condoleeza Rice... is it paid dead or alive?

Just wondering...

The tooth gap might be smaller, but the credibility gap couldn't be larger.

I can see rich conservatives paying a bounty for every liberal scalp they get.

right Poet,

6000 dollar bounty for a big war criminal?

These College kids are gonna save.

George Soros--Does this give you any ideas for where to invest some of your billions? If, for enough money, some people will do anything, then all that has to be done is to put a sufficient bounty on the heads of war criminals to be rid of them--or is it not that simple?

opossum, I take exception to your characterization of Rice as a "gap-toothed terrorist Bushite bitch"-- she's had some dental work done recently and the gap appears to be mostly resolved.

I am proud to be a kiwi, nativeborn. Ms. Rice is looking forward to going shopping after she leaves office. Ah, sorry Condi, I don't think so. I really don't think so. The times they are a-changing.

It is not, I repeat not, necessary to put the quote mark around war criminal in the title. Rice IS A WAR CRIMINAL.

Our young people are afraid.

It seems clear that Bush, Cheney, Rice, and others will be hounded for the remainder of their lives by those whose humanity has not been sacrificed for profit.

Very sad commentary that it is students elsewhere taking action while our homegrown educated lap up the lies and hypocrisy dished out by this administarion.

Now that is music to the ears.

Where do we deliver her with the others---no wait, she could turn evidence for a lenient sentence----and then we could deliver the "Bosses" -----along with the Generals who participated in the war crimes.

But add the charge of liar liar----the USA has never lived up to its own "National Laws of Obligation" and has made a mockery of the "International Laws of Obligation"

Which might tend to lead one to think that the American people as a whole are "War Criminals" which is not far from the truth.

So "Condi" could just be remembered as the "sacrificial goat"------

So it could be not far from reality that if the USA is allowed to exist in its present form----someday someone may say----"Condi died for your sins"............

Good Luck America----the world is starting to realize that as a whole----all of you are dangerous......and in need of close supervision.

Another lap dog of the oligarchy.

Wonderful that this gap-toothed terrorist Bushite bitch is being named for the horrible person that she is!

Argentine Army Officer Gets Life Imprisonment For War Crimes

"What's this got to do with the war crimes of Condoleezza Rice?"

"Just that for discrediting a corporo-fascist-military regime there's nothing like a resounding military defeat."

"But could the Iraqi Resistance emerge victorious over the mightiest military machine that there's ever been?"

"A people united can never be defeated."

"United how?"

"Peacefully, with 25 million Iraqis taking to the streets and demanding an end to the U.S. occupation of their country."

"What can we do here at home to express our support for the Iraqi people?"

"Rise up against this war."

"And after our troops are brought home, what'll hsppen to Condoleezza Rice?"

"She goes on trial at the International Court of Criminal Justice."

"The outcome being?"

"Members of the jury, on the charge of crimes against humanity, have you arrived at a verdict?'

"Guilty as charged, your honor."

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

~~~ She then went on to say that she and the Bush regime were 100% behind the plan to bring humanity to it's knees and, "We won't let up until every good thing is a crumbling pile of smoking wreckage, -no matter what the cost."

Dr Rice is a fully-fledged member of the Satanic Zombie Brigade and a paid-up ass-ociate of the Coalition to Bring Maximum Harm to Planet Earth. She has already booked her one-way ticket to Hell, and fully expects to be sitting on the 'left-hand of Diablo' for the next million years or so...

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The New Zealand Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
reports that a powhiri http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/protocols/powhiri.html
had been canceled because of the weather. Maybe the gods of the Southern hemisphere, the Global South where the majority of this planet's indigenous peoples are gaining ground (literally and figuratively), speak in the old ways.

Why are the Maori even welcoming The Warmonger, one who represents--indeed implements--the policies of an administration that has DONE absolutely nothing positive for the indigenous peoples of our planet?

High praise to the students of both Victoria U and Auckland U; and some praise too for the Wellington police who, according to the NZH, did not overreact to the students' actions: "There were tense moments when the protesters moved a police barricade on Glenfell Place, in Mount Eden, forward. Police officers stood on the other side of the barricade with hands crossed as protesters shouted "Condoleezza Rice, not very nice" and demanded to speak to a senior police officer to arrest her. A senior officer was present but did not address protesters, who then moved back to the intersection of Mountain Road and Glenfell Place." (New Zealand Herald)

I can only imagine how students would be met in this country--oh that's right, they wouldn't even be allowed in the vicinity (that is if our students even . . .)

Stay nuclear-free, New Zealand! No need to kowtow to the Empire. You have had enough of that, even as late as WWI as ANZAC fodder.

Peace

"I can only say that the United States has done everything that it can to end this war on terror, to live up to our international and national laws and obligations," Rice said.

This is the first time i saw or heard an official say "End" the War on Terror" rather than "win".

Could this be a slip or hint at a new direction?

A timed delay to all the Peace marches?

Probably not, but it is interesting.

Where can i make a contribution?

You go people arrest the warmonger, I just love it when the youth of today take positive action!
Peace!