Daga, you accuse me of being uninformed and naive and then you reference Wikipedia. When did Wikipedia become a legitimate resource for anything? If you'd like to reference some scholarly and widely-acknowledged resources, please do. BTW, I was not trying to win a debate with Lucitanian. I was merely playing him like a pinball. There's no reason to reason with a rabid anti-Semite. Finally, you don't need to lecture me on critical thinking. There is nothing in having worked for the CIA that makes one "qualified and trustworthy". Our intelligence agencies have a long history of screwing up. The Europeans and Israelis have the best intelligence networks--hands down.

Congrat gnosis1.

In just a few sentences you manage to argue ad hominem, reductio ad absurdum and ad Hitlerum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Quite an accomplishment but argumentwise rather anemic.

It is important to be critical of what you hear and read. US media post 911 showed how dangerous unconditional trust can be. Thats why we need dissenting outlets like counterpunch and commondreams. If you had taken the time to look up the authors of the article, you would have seen that they are both qualified and trustworthy. -several years as CIA analysts

I hope that one day MSM will find the courage to print articles critical of Israels policy-so people like you can make INFORMED conclusions.

Lucitanian, you're really foaming at the mouth now. You also showed me all your cards when you referred to the Neo-Nazi rag Counterpunch--an organization that seeks out Holocaust deniers and self-hating Jews like Norman Finkelstein and Israel Shamir. Counterpunch is one of the leading periodicals of pathetic paranoia. Can you quote any legitimate journals, Mr. Lucitanian? The "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" are only prophetic to those wearing Neo-Nazi glasses.

Gnosis1 :
To be coherent you will have to be able to read and comprehend.

"the foundation of a race based Zionist state of Israel":

Quoting from CounterPunch November 8 / 9, 2003, Zionism as a Racist Ideology
Reviving an Old Theme to Prevent Palestinian Ethnicide By KATHLEEN and BILL CHRISTISON

…the dirty little secret of Zionism. In its drive to establish and maintain a state in which Jews are always the majority, Zionism absolutely required that Palestinians, as non-Jews, be made to leave in 1948 and never be allowed to return. The dirty little secret is that this is blatant racism…..

…According to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, racial discrimination is "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."…

Read and learn : http://www.counterpunch.org/christison11082003.html

You write : "You make light of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and then you casually support its tenets."

I did not say I "support" the protocols. I did suggest though that they were prophetic :
See Structures and Themes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

You write : "White Christians have killed more innocent people in the name of their tribal god than all other religions combined."

Here we go again, comparing atrocities to switch blame to the other guy to avoid attention to your lot. To assume my religious affinities and try and offend them is just about what I would expect. Even if I was a Christian, I'm hardly responsible for the crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, or even the buggery of a New York priest, nor is every Jew responsible for Zionist crimes, or war crimes by the Israeli state. However Israel is responsible for the deaths, injuries, destruction and displacement caused by their aggression under their illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.

Ah Prozac, yes. It sure ain't as much fun poping pills as goading ignorant Zionist zealots. It's been great fun to get you going, but now that you've shown your colours nicely, it has become a bit tedious. Come back when when you know what you are writing about and can deal with the questions at hand instead of trying stupidly to insult and offend.

Lucitanian, the more you write the more you reveal your White Christian racist point of view. Where do you get this pathetic crap, "...vast international conspiracy of Zionists who have gone far beyond the foundation of a race based Zionist state of Israel..."? Since Judaism is not a "race", what race do you refer to--perhaps the big-nosed, horned race? You make light of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and then you casually support its tenets. BTW, you're not entitled to your own "facts". The fact is that White Christians have killed more innocent people in the name of their tribal god than all other religions combined. Refute that fact Mr. Omniscient. Get yourself a prescription for Valium and Prozac while you're at it. Also, you might open a history book occasionally. Let's hope you're the first one to disappear in the Rapture.

This is a very important story that should be held up for many more to see.

Taking all of the postings above, the only one showing any form of possible support is from "Ariel", who obviously a supporter of Israel does point out that the soldier firing the weapon is being "charged".
Which brings me to the reason for MY posting.
One would suspect that the soldier would most likely NOT be charged had his actions not been filmed. Which is a very good reason for those who might see this story to understand what they have witnessed. That when we put others into a situation where they feel the power of "the state" gives them the authority to violate established and recognized rules of conduct; they will most likely violate those rules of conduct.
This soldier has fallen into the same mind set that all young people do when in the same position; he dehumanized his prisoner, and acted accordingly. Stories of American soldiers and Marines doing the same and much worse violations of established order are just now begining to surface, in some cases years after the fact. The Air Force pilots and support personnel do the same thing on a mass scale and call the victims "collateral damage".
Presently the Israelis are the aggressors, and will obviously not distinguish between "enemy combatants", and "long haired protesters" (don't forget Kent state) so that they are repeating the mistakes of history, and the only thing that has changed is perhaps the technology allowing the delivery of death, such as semi-automatic v automatic weapons, 500lb bombs from 20k' v 1ton bombs from 50k'.
The Israelis holding themselves up as "Gods chosen ones", and the Christians holding themselves up as the "adopted ones", or the "Faithful" holding themselves above the "infidels" are all justified in their own imaginations as the "the one's God favors over the others".
Humankind is on the verge of a great moment in human history. They most likely stand at a precipice looking down with a great decision to make: stop the madness and futility of war, for good, or "just drop the big one and see what happens", (Randy Neuman song).
One other suggestion. Have the soldier pictured, tour the Israeli schools, starting at the lower grade levels then working up to the college levels, accompanied by his victim, with the tape showing at auditoriums and have him disavow his actions and asking his victim to forgive him.
The soldier no doubt was conditioned to think in his present manner begining in childhood, he could be very instrumental in reversing the thought conditioning and the dehumanization of his opponents. Some day those children may very well remember the session and refuse to participate in any future conflicts; opting to negotiate any differences they may have with other peoples or nations.

Just a thought.

Thank you for your time

In the big toe? Hell of a shot, give that soldier a "sharpshooter" medal.

Then jail him, preferably in a Marine run stockade. He'll wish the gun wasn't loaded if he has that "fun" experience.

Ariel Sharon: "You guys compare israel to the nazis??"

If the jack boot fits, wear it!

Gnosis 1 you say: "American Christians have absolutely no natural connection with Arab Muslims who learned their religious intolerance from Christian Crusaders many moons ago. Muslim terrorists would be just as happy to cut a Christian throat as a Jewish one."

Thanks for your sweeping generalizations and asinine pontificating. What ever is a "natural connection"? I could equally say in that vein that there is no natural connection between Ashkenazi Jews and the Palestinian Jews in the history they pretend descend from, and thus claim lands without "logical" pretence.

It is amazing with your views that you cannot see yourself as the racist/tribalist that you are but you can call others anti-Semitic, not that it bothers me in the slightest from a stereo typical propagandist like yourself. How can you say I blame Jews, and euphemistically call them Zionists? There are plenty of Jews who are anti-Zionist and agree that Zionism is racism too, you know. Do you call them self hating Jews to get round that? Just because Walter Laqueur, Howard Sachar and Jack Fischel among others including you say people who are against Zionists are euphemistic anti-Semites doesn't necessarily make it so. I'm sure my "ranting/hysteria" as you call it, is far beyond your limited perspective, and you neither have the knowledge nor the ability to debate one historic event thoroughly "logically" based on facts without degenerating into a diatribe of name calling and propaganda. But then that's what you are here to do, isn't it.

Of course I know the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" they are quite amusing as is their origin and history. But amazingly the 24 protocols seem to propose quite current and topical methods of usurping global society to a tyranny of the few. The best place to hide anything is by putting it in the open and disseminated a truth through an easily deniable and obviously ridiculous source, another way to hide it. As in the events of 9-11, as long as the truth is mixed with theorist fantasy and well placed disinformation it is easily ridiculed, discredited and dismissed and thus nobody looks at the facts.

The fact is there is a vast international conspiracy of Zionists who have gone far beyond the foundation of a race based Zionist state of Israel, many of them but not all are Jews and are in the process of bending the power of the US and other counties to do their bidding through all the methods mentioned previously and they do act discretely as the hand behind the puppet, through agencies and organizations such as lobbies and pressure groups, manipulating minds, characters and events. Yes, you can call this "conspiracy theory" but it does not make the ugly facts all go away. Then you can call me anti-Semitic but the facts still don't go away, nor do the wars and suffering, misery and destruction they have wrought.

ZIONIST APOLOGISTs,

Can you explain how the "Palestinian man who had already been detained, blindfolded and cuffed."Was able to be only to be "threatened", as the commander stated during the "investigation":see URL to article, zaz July 21st, 2008 10:17 pmBy waving the rifle around ( the order he claimed he made that was misunderstood - to shoot him )

How does a _ b l i n d f o l d e d _ man know that he's being threatened with a gun, if it's not fired at him?

The Israeli excuses are as idiotic as wicked.

To all previous posters:
You must not listen to the zionist propaganda as their words ae meaningless.
Instead watch their actions.

They say they are for peace & then do everything in their power to sabotage peace.
Their neighbors from Syria, Egypt and Palestine have all offered peace and every offer was rejected.

It is a serious mistake to argue with the zionists, how many do nothing but study the Talmud while their wealthy families support them so they can make riddles & mockeries of the law?

Over 60% of Israeli Jews claim to be atheists.
What about the mass coversions of people from India as a ploy for a permanent underclass of laborers - ostensibly so zionists can spend their time studying ways to trick people out of their property.

They tell the Palestinians to get over it.
But they live in Palestinian homes on Palestinian lands and still go after reparations from Switzerland & Germany for "stolen" art, gold, property etc.

Their hypocracy is astounding.
And the light of truth is creeping out of the shadows - soon it will be blinding the world when the full range of brutality & inhumanity become known- I truly fear for the ordinary, minding their own business people of this ethnicity, like during the holocaust they are the ones who will pay for the beastiality of their elected mastersl

America should not allow duel citizenship. Too many ISREAL FIRST'S in Bushes admin. When did Isreal become a
U.S. State? I ask politely any Jews posting here to state that they value America over Israel, and why.
I truly question that.

It makes no sense anyway. If the U.S. wants to rescue Israelis-then why don't we move them all to Texas? Lots of land in Texas. Let them set up a 'holy land' there. Give Israel back to the Arabs. I don't think most Americans believe in special holy lands.

That is not the concept of our country. America is an idea-not a place. The concept of United States-implies that ALL land is sacred. Why are we defending a 'Holy Land' of a country that is not part of America and when America is supposed to be-CHURCH AND STATE SEPERATE?

How about our Native American Indians? Maybe we could help THEM for a change? Seems to me we owe them more than we do Israel.

Orfeo, let me put it another way. Logic has very little to do with wisdom. Wisdom starts with seeing the World as it is. When the horror and anger of seeing things as they are are dissolved in compassion, wisdom grows. Logic, being based in relativity and causality, is forever limited by Uncertainty-which is absolute (see Werner Heisenberg). Most of the bloggers here take their beliefs to be established fact. Fundamentalism comes in many flavors.

Lucitanian, you obviously get your history of Zionism from the KGB's "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". You blame Jews (which you euphemistically call "Zionists") for WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, and pretty much every global catastrophe. Why didn't you mention "Jewish bankers"? Accept for anomalies like Rev. Hagee's "Christian Zionists", the vast majority of Zionists were and are Jews. The original Zionists (e.g. Theodore Herzl) pictured a Jewish homeland in Africa. Your ranting/hysteria reveal you as little more than a common (albeit rabid) anti-Semite. How would Jesus feel about your vicious condemnation of his own tribe?

I'm as big as supporter for Palestine as amyone, but why exactly is this story getting so much coverage over say, the recent racist killing of a Mexican by white high schoolers here in Pennsylvania?

DuraMater - "Secondly, one thing I have noticed debating Zionists is that they are unified in proclaiming their solidarity for their fellow-Jews."

Isn't it funny how all the people who told us that ethnocentricity is wrong - Jews, blacks, hispanics, etc. - are now engaging in ethnocentricity?

As to the Middle East conflict, I think the U.S. should wash its hands of the matter. We have our own problems in this country, and Americans don't owe anything to either the Zionists or the Arabs. Actually, it's this obsession with people and politics in other countries that's responsible for turning the U.S. into a fascist nation. It's time someone on the American left stood up and told all these foreign cry-babies to stop whining and take care of their own problems.

And then they wonder why the Palestinian youth are rebelling - they are treated worse than dogs. Israel is creating it's own problems which ultimately, it can't win.

Israel believes their crap doesn't stink? It stinks plenty, believe me.

Gnosis 1 states: "American Christians have absolutely no natural connection with Arab Muslims who learned their religious intolerance from Christian Crusaders many moons ago. Muslim terrorists would be just as happy to cut a Christian throat as a Jewish one."
I'm afraid I don't understand what religious/ethnic backgrounds has to do with Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. What is far more significant is the abuse of government power to subjugate a powerless civilian population. This is the dynamic that is at the base of this conflict. To appeal to religious/ethnic differences is an old and very tired diversion.

This is a truly disgusting incident, and one which has not featured on the BBC or ITV news channels, here in the UK. It has been covered by the Independent and Guardian newspapers. At the moment our unelected leader Gordon Brown, is in the Middle East, saying all the right things for his hosts at the Knesset.
I am ashamed of what is happening in the World, and I am appalled that World leaders are not voicing any criticism of Israel.

Firstly ... yawn ... Ariel_Sharon ... yawn ... can we change channels, please. If my record player's that broken, I usually get a new one.

Secondly, one thing I have noticed debating Zionists is that they are unified in proclaiming their solidarity for their fellow-Jews. Muslims aren't supposed to have such solidarity - it's called something abusive -, and as for Christians, well, in the good ol' US of A, we don't exactly notice there's any such thing - unless it's Muslims who are the Bad Guys.

It's actually quite a trick, breaking through knee-jerk "solidarity" to support justice, neither more nor less.

Thirdly, this sort of thing - pointless cruelty - is indeed a feature of any occupation you care to name. Pizarro in Peru? Petlura in the Pale? The British in India? The Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Territories?

It's not bound to any one ethnicity or religious grouping, and to separate Jews (or Muslims, or Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or whatever) either for unqualified praise or condemnation, is to lessen their humanity. And your own humanity, as well - you're supposed to be more than that.

Gnosis1, if you read what I wrote carefully, you will find that I never once said that humans lacked the capacity for irrational behavior. However, if all you expect is irrational behavior, what else will you receive? It seems to me as though this is like saying that humans are more capable of causing wars than having peace, and so one should never try for peace. Don't lecture me on history- history only has so much to do with this.

We can argue back and forth all day who started this, who is behaving worse, etc, but that won't lead us anywhere. There comes a point in time when it would seem, at least to me, that the only way to solve a problem is to accept the past for what it was and MOVE ON. Yes, humankind is overwhelmingly capable of causing death and destruction, often senselessly, but are we not also capable of creating peace? It seems a little too fatalistic to say that, because humans have been irrational in the past, that's all they're capable of in the present.

Furthermore, I understand that logic is not the end of wisdom. I am not claiming to be all-wise or all-knowing. But you said it yourself- logic is a start. And the fact is, those who don't start with the most basic logic will have a very difficult time reaching true wisdom.

I think what you'll see as a result of this is more 14 year old girls with video cameras getting shot.

This kind of stuff is always the result of an occupation. It went on in Vietnam and it goes on in Iraq. It helps if their are different races. Racism is the oldest con right next to sexism.

I guess the IDF storm-trooper's TASER was off-line...

Anybody think the Master Race won't traject back to the camera lens and demolish that home.

For sure 'detain' and torture some children when there are no cameras rolling.

Torture the children if they are lucky.
Every week how many Children do the Jewish-Nazis Murder?

It varies. Multiply by 60 years though.

Have the Zionists left the bldg.?

Well I am in total agreement with Ariel Sharon: obviously this was a one-off example of a soldier not following orders. You are NOT allowed to mistreat Palestinian prisoners you have already subdued if there is ANYONE WATCHING. Now you see the trouble he has caused?

The soldier also needs some time on the practice range. He must have just grazed the guy because I would suggest that from a shot in the foot at that range, even a rubber bullet, the guy should have at least broken some bones.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/21/schoolsworldwide.israel

This story relates how Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian schoolgirl. Note as quoted by the soldiers themselves..

>>The company commander approached her, shot two bullets into her, walked back towards the force, turned back to her, switched his weapon to automatic and emptied his entire magazine into her. We were in shock. We couldn't believe what he was doing. Our hearts ached for her. Just a girl of 13," a soldier told the newspaper

Note the Commander in question was cleared after one of these "investigations".

Claiming some sort of moral superiority just because an atrocity "investigated" when in almost every instance the person committing the atrocity cleared shows an inability to be objective.

However this does demonstrate why such "inquiries" are launched. This so those who blindly defend actions by the IDF can use the "inquiry" as some sort of smokescreen .

As to celebrating the deaths of innocents, Baruch Goldstein murdered 29 palestinians worshipping in a mosque. To this day his grave is attended by Jewish Settlers who claims he was a hero of the people.

None of this exonerates Arab terrorists that kill civilians. It merely demonstrates that such happens on both sides and the fact of the matter is that since 2000 123 Isreali children have died in such attacks as opposed to the death of 1023 Palestinian children at the hands of israelis.

One is too many on either side, but please do not claim "moral superiroity" because one side launches inquiries that go nowehere.

Breaking news - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1004153.html

Notborn Yesterday : Do you actually convince yourself of the crap your writing as you go along?Amazing!... Assumption, assumption …. so must be fact, fact.

So now its all clear to me. Forget the investigation. I've got you to tell me how it is. Right! I'll just forget about it and all the other bulldozed houses and people, it was all a lie. Ya, now I get it. All these Palestinians are bullshitting us. Only Israelis tell the truth.

Tell it to Shana's Family : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk9_5OUWy3M

What a load of mmmm you write.

All the atrocities through the decades are filed in the common memories of Muslims. When the State of Israel is no more, these sadness and rage would be cured.

Ariel_Sharon, the Israelis always say they're going to launch inquiries into obvious wrongs that their military gets caught doing to Palestinians, and we never hear anything further regarding it. Who do they think they're kidding? Ariel, you act like this is a single incident that is rare......LOL

Ariel, are you still on life support? That's got to be very boring for you, a bummer. Just asking....

Gnosis1 : "…Zionist evil trumps most"? Lucitanian's agenda is not too well-hidden. Have you ever heard the names, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Franco, G.W. Bush (hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed, millions displaced)? Lucitanian is a plain vanilla Jew hater."

In your case what I hate is the ignorance you express not the idiot you are. All Zionists are not Jews and all Jews are not Zionists. So what in my statement makes me a "Jew Hater"?
And if you actually read what I wrote you would know that I abhor those who hate for religion or race, as much as I condemn those who are blinded by their own religion or race to put themselves above others and support only their fellows right or wrong without morals while carelessly inflicting suffering on others.

Please study the history of Zionism and you will better understand the causal effects and important contributions Zionists have made to setting of the stage for World War I conditions (not least arranging for the sinking of the Lusitania the blackmail of a US president), from the forced marches genocide of Armenians by Zionist dominated Young Turks, to the important participation in the punitive and devastating Versailles treaty, to the economic crash of '29, to the rise to power of Churchill, Hitler and Stalin, again setting in place controlled personas and the pre-requisites for WW II. The list is longer and far more complicated. The persecution of the Jews has been an absolutely necessary element to the advancement of Zionism, providing justification for the existential extremism. That in of itself evidences the diabolic extent of the effects of this gang or creed to whom, causing immense suffering even to their own, working two ends to the middle, false flag catalyst events, subversion, dirty tricks, blackmail, assassination and terrorism on a vast international scale is the norm. All and any means to justify their ends, which you should know are far greater than a peaceful homeland for the wandering and oppressed Jews of the world.

You are right, Pol Pot can be swept away as a passing aberrational phenomena and does not measure up to the consistent evil of International Zionism, in its horrendous effect on the world in stimulating aggression over history.

As for George Bush, and his Neocon cronies today, the present administration demonstrated regularly their connections to Zionist fundamentalism and their allegiance to dominant organizational extensions thereof such as AIPAC etc.. The link to present day war mongering must be patently obvious even to you.

There is something very suspicious about this clip.

First is the fact that so many of these alleged atrocities have been proven later to have been staged (western and alternative media show the "atrocities", but rarely the truth about a staged act when it comes out).

Second is the fact that the video is so fuzzy, while the still shot is crystal clear, showing a level of detail non-existent in the video (see for example the lieutenant colonel's head).

Third is the whole "14 year old girl from her home" bit. The video begins through a grubbby or fogged up window showing clearly that the road is above her level. She is supposedly staying inside out of sight of the military. Sensible girl. Then we are told (in detail) "The video then cuts to show Abu Rahma sitting on a road blindfolded, with his hands cuffed by a plastic tie and surrounded by Israeli soldiers and military vehicles.". We are now above the road level. The girl is getting clearer view and has apparently lost her fear of the military, and they seem happy for her to be filming. Mm. There seem to be no identifiable features present now from the first scenes, but the girl is still filming "from her home". Perhaps she found a clearer upstairs window facing a different direction as the action shifted to a different spot. Possible, but its a detail that we aren't told.

All told its suspicious and I'm expecting that once investigated it will be showed to have been staged. Just like the alleged killing of 12-year-old Mohammed al-Dura by Israeli marksmen (See the full account of the staging and exposure of that lie, at http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=593). From that article, "He was not killed by Israeli bullets; he was not killed at all. At the end of France 2's famous footage, he was still alive and unharmed. The whole thing was staged, a fantastic piece of play-acting, an elaborate fabrication designed to blacken Israel's name, and incite the Arab and Muslim mobs to mass murder." and, "Indeed, the presentation of theatrical fictions as Israeli atrocities has become so widespread that the practice has been dubbed 'Pallywood' — a grotesque new genre of terrortainment." Also, "Even after the startling developments in the French appeal court, Israel's government has said nothing (although it has now quietly let it be known that it agrees with its own spokesman Seaman). Similarly in Britain, at time of writing, no daily newspaper has reported any of this; and around the world, only a handful of papers has done so. So the public is unaware that images that have convinced such a lamentable number of them of Israel's iniquity are false, and that the iniquity belongs instead to the Arabs and the Western media."

So is this one just another "stage act"?

Finally, one has to answer a very logical question: If these atrocities are so commonplace as the arabic world would have us believe, WHY do they find a need to stage them and publish lies to the gullible West?

Israel is the MODEL for the New FASCISM...israel has grown into one of the most EVIL nations on earth...Remember..it was ISRAEL that did busines with SOUTH AFRICA under Apartheid...and on and on and on..at this point in history...the photo's of PALESTINIAN GHETTO'S..OOwhooopS! I mean "refugee camps"...so..OKAY..the Jews are not Gassing the people YET!..but this is getting to that point...the point of.."FINAL SOLUTION TO THE ARAB PROBLEM"

You know also..that..this just..at this point...USELESS WHEEZE about "Anti-Semitism" is..well..THAT HAS GOT TO GO! it is like breaking your neighbors windo, killing his dog..and then when he hates you..excaliming at the top of your lungs.."he hates me for my heritage"...uhhhh...Noooo! he hates you for KILLING HIS DOG AND BREAKING HIS WINDOW!...How on earth are the israeli's getting away with this? ANTI-SEMITISM! Any politician charged with that...is..i trouble..still..to this day..BUT..i believe that may be changing...

The Israelis are SO arrogant...SUCh an arrogant people..along the lines of the American Right Wing...Arrogant to the point of..PSYCHOSIS..a seperation from reality...impossible to have a dialogue with..simply will NEVER LISTEN!...EVER!...PERIOD!...but..this may be the end of that..."POWER" if they keep this up...and WWIII does not end it all anyway..then the 'excuse" of anti-semitism...will be seen as the pale and..transparant...rational that it is...AND then..WATCH out..se..the Israeli's seem to have forgotten one of the..OLD rules...

THOSE YOU ABUSE ON THE WAY UP...YOU MIGHT MEET UP WITH....ON THE WAY DOWN!

Ancient but rue...an forgotten by many..Israel..held UNACCOUNTABLE for so long...spoiled..rich..arrogant....VICIOUS!

Karma can be a bitch..

Oh..and by the way..a NICE little SLICE of your TAX DOLLARS support THIS little nightmare as well..YUP! the NUMBER ONE RECIPIENT OF FORIGN AID.......ISRAEL...BILLIONS...OF...TAX...DOLLARS...

TAKE THE 5TH..DO NOT SIGN A RETURN...DO NOT INCRIMINATE YOURSELF..

oh..AND..to see just HOW important your Tax Dollars ARE to Israel..go an look at some real scary shit on the ADL..anti defamation league..(the right wing fascist propaganda league) do they mention GHANDI/ or the QUAKERS? or Henry David Thoreau? or ANY of the MILLIONS of tax resistors over the decades that were peaceful? NO..NOT on your LIFE..nope! according the ADL...ALL tax resistance is RIGHT WING NEO-NAZI TERRORISM..I shit you not..it is a real wake-up call..the ADL will show you more about the MIND of the PARANOID, VICIOUS Israeli FASCIST than ANYTHING..excepting the pictures above..of course...I am talking FASCISM..and the slick marketing of their particular breed of same as.."Anti Defamaion.." it is...AMAZINGLY CORRUPT! check it out..seriously..it will amaze you...I did not know GHANDI was a Neo nazi...Hmmmm...wow!

Ariel_Sharon

"work, that's a good point, but we don't know. I can tell you israelis wouldn't be cheering this guy on."

I believe that most Israelis wouldn't be cheering ,but it's not most of the people that are causing the problems .

It's a very small group.

And they are their to protect this group:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

When enough of the people have taken the time to learn the TRUTH that the World Bankers have been exposed for their criminal activity ONCE AGAIN .

This shit has been going on for thousands of years ,but the people no longer have to buy this bullshit that is dumped into their skulls by a few government and /or religious LIERS.

Does that answer your smirk question?

lol 9/11? Are you a truther?

I have always told myself that it is the Israeli gov. that I hate and not their people, but having seen the actions of one of their people I might have to change my point of view.

Here we see a major problem in modern society. The man who shot the Palestinian in the foot should be punished, but who ever bothers to do a follow-up story a month from now about what punishment and restitution was meeted out by the investigation? I'd like to see a story in a month saying, "Still no punishment for the soldier who shot a blindfolded, hand-cuffed man in the foot," if that indeed is how it will play out.
The reason this idiocy was so bad was because the protester thought he was actually being executed, would be worth millions in the states in a good lawsuit; I hope the Israelis deal with this stupid move swiftly and with justice.
Otherwise, I still blame Hitler and the idiots who didn't make the right decision and give Bavaria to the Jews after WWII, for all the bad blood in the Middle East. I can't blame a people who were almost annihilated from the face of the Earth for their beliefs and loansharking when so many of the other involved parties bungled up things so badly.
In keeping with WWI, why don't we force Germany to provide each Jew with a hybrid Mercedes in exchange for Israel's acceptance of two states. I am sure any Jew could see the right side of that kind of deal, and it might even press the Germans hard enough economically again to bring about WWW.

Orfeo, you seem to think you're a Vulcan. Logic is not the end of wisdom--it is the beginning. Morality and ethics don't necessarily have anything to do with logic. BTW, you used several epithets in describing my response. Is that not "name-calling"? If you were a student of history, you'd know that humans have a much greater capacity for irrational behavior than logical. It is illogical to argue otherwise. Live long and prosper.

Shooting a guy in the foot with a rubber bullet is just stupid. Yeah, it's brutal but there is no obvious attempt to scar or cause severe harm and certainly no attempt to kill. And scare the hell out of the guy.

Rubber bullets can kill and maim but lead does a better job. Lead bullets, surface-surface rockets, grenades, mortar rounds and bulldozer blades have been used by the IDF with horrific effect. And IEDs and bomb vests and rockets by Hamas with equally horrific if slightly less widespread effect.

There is an air of desperation in the story and some of the comments. Israel has done far worse after all (see comment above on Sabra and Shatila). That part of the world would be much better off if rubber bullet wounds were the only injuries.

As long as this is a dispute about whose sense of grievance is worse or more important, it will never end.

Gnosis1, I think you just did exactly what people have been complaining about. Just because Lucitanian has cited examples of Israeli atrocities does not mean he is ignoring those other names you've mentioned. No one is trying to say that Hitler and Stalin and the rest were evil, and I think you'll find that Bush has very little support these days. However, I'd like to mention the first point Lucitanian made- "comparing atrocities is the ultimate idiocy." Saying someone is a "plain vanilla Jew hater" because he or she mentions something terrible the Israeli government has done is stupid and plain WRONG. That goes against the most basic principles of LOGIC. There is no intelligent way to argue your point. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

I agree with you regarding Hitler and the rest. I would guess you'd have a hard time finding someone who doesn't. However, just because they were evil does not mean their atrocities have to be mentioned any time anyone mentions any other problem. That makes no sense. We're talking about the crimes committed by Israel right now, not Nazi Germany. If you'd like, we could discuss that separately. However, because they are two separate incidents that were not mentioned at the same time does not mean that the heinous things the Nazis did are forgotten, and it CERTAINLY doesn't make anyone an Anti-Semite. You can kick and scream all you want about that, but ask any rational thinker and you'll find that there is no way to back up that statement in any justifiable way.

Furthermore, I'd like to add that Ariel Sharon's persistent desire to see comments about the incidents in Lebanon is completely irrelevant. There is just no point in comparing the things. No one is saying that either is more heinous, and to assume that, just because someone mentions one war crime, the others don't matter is completely illogical as well. I'm sorry that you feel as if Israel is taking blame unfairly. However, it seems that, in this case, it's fair to blame Israel. No, I'm not saying it was the Israeli government on the whole. I am CERTAINLY not saying it was because that soldier was a Jew. What I am saying is that a soldier in the Israeli army committed this crime, and, as much as his superiors want to say that an investigation will be made, one can examine precedent and realize that it is unlikely that he will get more than a slap on the wrist.

That's NOT to say that it would happen differently within the Palestinian army, or the American army. I agree with you that it happens far too much in other armies as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as angry with the US government for letting war crimes get by. But is it really possible to make situations better by calling people names because they're skeptical about this so-called "investigation?"

"But there's still no comparison with this and the arabs cheering on that lebonese child-killer. Why no stories on commondreams about that??"

If you can't see the difference between shooting someone and cheering someone who has just been released and returned home after years in an Israeli prison, you have a problem, Sharon. And there have certainly been more Israeli child-killers than Lebanese ones since the declaration of the State of Israel--beginning with it's bloody beginning.

"...Zionist evil trumps most"? Lucitanian's agenda is not too well-hidden. Have you ever heard the names, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Franco, G.W. Bush (hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed, millions displaced)? Lucitanian is a plain vanilla Jew hater.

The problem here is that the moment anyone tries to say anything about Israel, they are immediately labeled "anti-Semites." I smell a logic problem here, folks. The nifty little thing about America is that it is a secular state (at least, it claims to be). Therefore, when an American criticizes another nation, it cannot fairly be said that he or she is against that nation's religion. The same holds true for any other nation. To criticize Israel's government is NOT to criticize Judaism on the whole, and anyone who thinks otherwise is guilty of this basic fallacy. If people are not allowed to be political dissenters because they're afraid to be labeled "anti-Semitic" or anything of the like, then what hope do we have? Allowing the ANY government to continue to support atrocities because we don't want to speak out against their RELIGION is heinous and dumb.

Arial Sharon: (… and you seem to be proud of the name) How dare you call anyone an idiot.

Comparing atrocities is an the ultimate idiocy. Hideous evil is not a question of relativism, and the Zionists evil trumps most. Remember your namesake's action in Sabra and Shatila and if you need the images, search for the award winning photos by Robin Moyer, USA, Black Star for Time. Beirut, Lebanon, 18 September 1982. Aftermath of massacre of Palestinians by Christian Phalangists in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.

Quoting from the site Indict Sharon : http://www.indictsharon.net/massacres.shtml

"Around mid-day on Thursday 16 September 1982, a unit of approximately 150 Israeli-allied Phalangists entered the first camp. For the next 40 hours members of the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the encircled and sealed camps. The estimate of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) to 3,500. The victims and survivors of the massacres have never been deemed entitled to a formal investigation of the tragedy, since Israel's Kahan Commission did not have a judicial mandate and was not backed up by legal force."

Its just one more of too many examples of no investigation, and institutionalized failure of prosecution followed by white-wash and later promotion of sick criminal Zionists in a machine of hate and destruction.

We may or may not be idiots. Some may even believe in the sincerity of the official words "Inquiry launched" and "against the code of conduct of the IDF". Some may be naïf enough to expect some result. Some wrongly may harbour anti-Semitic sentiments, which are so much needed by zionists to attempt to justify their aggression in responce to alleged "existential threat", but those with prejudice can learn how stupid it is to hate a race or a religion just by watching this video again and again and understanding its meaning, but for your kind of ugliness there is no cure.

I hope many people see this video and understand what Israel is doing.

You closet anti-Semites aren't fooling anyone. American Christians have absolutely no natural connection with Arab Muslims who learned their religious intolerance from Christian Crusaders many moons ago. Muslim terrorists would be just as happy to cut a Christian throat as a Jewish one.

Yes nietzsche, believe me I have followed way too many taser stories to be hopeful.

But there's still no comparison with this and the arabs cheering on that lebonese child-killer. Why no stories on commondreams about that??

Ah, I expected the comatose Sharon to stir again, and favor us with his usual wide-eyed incredulity that so many commenters seem given over to crazy, far-fetched suggestions that the few, the proud, the IDF are, I don't know, like storm-troopers or something.

Such convincing pearl-clutching! I trust he keeps smelling salts handy-- which one would think useless on a terminally comatose person.

Why, ANY military organization has a few bad apples, so of course the IDF is no exception. But there aren't even enough IDF bad apples, all told, to make a decent Jewish Apple Cake!

How in the WORLD could any REASONABLE observer believe that the IDF would DELIBERATELY behave cruelly, maliciously, and sadistically? Unless crowded by circumstances, perhaps.

Encore!

Good job girl, keep filming that stuff!!

ahh, yes, more REAL genocide!

Nice to see the "progressives" are out in force today.

The International Community and the UN should FORCE Israel back behind the borders set at the end of WW2. This non-christian state [or little strip of land, what it actually is and called Israel] has broken the laws and force against Israel is one option seen to fix this. Israel is too monocule to be concidered in the political arena, but has become from a sore to be an abses. This Israel can be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

work, that's a good point, but we don't know. I can tell you israelis wouldn't be cheering this guy on.

lol 9/11? Are you a truther?

"The video clip, which is just over a minute long, was filmed by a 14-year-old Palestinian girl from her home in the village and passed on to B'Tselem."

That's mighty noble that an "Inquiry" has been launched.Do you really think they'd have launched it if the little girl hadn't captured it on film?

We've seen how that works JFK,RFK,MLK,USS Liberty, Tonkin Gulf Waco,1st WTC bombing,911,WMD,Abu Griab, Valory Plaim,Tillman,Jesica Lynch,Falusia,on and on and on.....

Thugs Rule

You must admit Ariel, when a military or government or corporation investigates itself the outcome is somewhat predictable.

You guys compare israel to the nazis??

Look at the title of this article. "Inquiry launched"!!

How on earth can you compare them to the nazis when they discipline people who behave this way and say that it is "against the code of conduct" of the IDF?

You guys are idiots, or jew-haters. Probably both.

lillu, which "sadists"? There is one soldier behaving wrongly and he is facing charges for it.

How can you compare that to arabs who cheer on murderers?

You can't...

The Palestinian man is slender, has his hands tied behind his back and is blindfolded. The Israeli sadists are big, well fed and well protected with body padding, bullet-proof vests, etc. So what is their problem? Besides being sadistic fascists, that is. Hitler could have been their commander-in-chief.

And look, this soldier is facing charges.

Arabs were recently taking to the streets to cheer on a child-murderer in lebenon, and you call israelis evil?

What an absolute joke.

Having struggled all my adult life (45 years) in the pursuit of justice and peace, I feel ashamed to admit that watching the clip, makes me want to physically punish the perpetrator of such an unnecessary and cowardly act of violence towards a blind folded-hand cuffed man!
I believe Israeli injustice and violence towards Palestinians will some day backfire and eventually cause its own demise.

These Jews more often shoot Palestinean children. Empty their clips into little girls to 'confirm' the kills. America's undying support for these atrocities was what brought down the Twin Towers. Both Thing One and Thing Two are advocating unconditional support for AIPAC genocide. How can any human vote for either one?

If anyone would like good perspective and historical accuracy concerning Israel and Palestine, just look up Norman Finklestein (he's even in Wikipedia). His tenure at Depaw was refused due to AIPAC academic sympathizers (especially one notable). Also, note that Israel actually supported either Hamaz, or Hezbollah (or both) to try to get them to degrade each other, with the recent consequences. Just like the U.S. setting up Hussein and Al Qaida (to fight the Russians). Typical of the MIC (military industrial complex): the 'Beast' if there ever was one.

The longer Israel is allowed to maintain this apartheid system the more frequent and egregious these kinds of incidents will become.

For the past 40 years, when the IDF commits a cruel or evil act, there is an immediate announcement that an investigation will be conducted. The problem is that these investigations NEVER result in any punishment of any Israeli. Given the number of Israel FIRST Jews in the Bush administrations, I am not surprised at all the torture and murder of captives held by the CIA and the US military. Americans simply do NOT know the truth about the illegal and immoral activities of the Israelis to drive out and terrorize the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel was formed by terrorists. Google the Haganah, Stern Gang, and Irgun. Learn about the terrorist activities of Israeli Prime Ministers Begin and Shamir. Pay close attention to Ariel Sharon, a monster who schemed with the Maronite Phalangists to have the Phalangists enter the refugee camps at Sabra and Shatilla and slaughter over 800 old men, women and children. For this, Sharon was forced out of his position as Minister of Defense. Yet, MORON and EVIL Bush calls Sharon a man of peace. This nation was DOOMED when the deliberate and repeated Israeli attacks on the USS Liberty went unpunished. Apparently, Lyndon Johnson placed NO value on the lives of the 34 Americans killed on the USS Liberty. America should learn the truth, and ABANDON Israel. But, when this is said, whining, racist, criminal BIGOTS come out of the woodwork with false cries of "antisemitism". Since Palestinians are semites, I am not an antisemite. Finally, for all Christians that read this, checkout the huge drop in the number of Palestinian Christians in the West Bank in the past 50 years. They have been forced out by the Israelis.

To their credit this was shown on Haaretz news in Israel yesterday. I wonder if fox will show it?

And the fools that are our masters are worried about the Iranians?! These Israeli psychopaths are committing atrocities daily in the 'occupied territories' under their control and this is what Bush, Obama and all the rest are supporting? I'm not anti-Semitic (which would mean I hate Arabs as well as Jews, btw) but, I would be a fool to not speak out against this criminal act.

Just like here in Amerikkka, the bastard that did this will probably get off without any punishment. Hell, the guy is a military man. We don't do a damn thing when our own citizens get Tazered to death by our Urban Occupation Forces. Why should I expect that any monster with a uniform and a military firearm will get what he deserves?

I'm sorry if this makes me an enemy combatant (or whatever name they call dissenters) but, our masters and their lackeys deserve what Saddam Hussein received...a short drop and a sudden stop. Nothing less.