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Seismic Shift or Non-Decision by Bush on Iran?
WASHINGTON - The U.S. decision to send the State Department's third-ranking official to sit in on the meeting between European Union foreign affairs chief Javier Solana and Iran's nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili Saturday has been hailed as a major diplomatic breakthrough, but it is too soon to pop the champagne cork.
The caveats associated with decision and the circumstances surrounding it suggest that it may be yet another in a string of non-decisions on diplomatic talks and other Iran policy issues by George W. Bush over the past three years.
The New York Times led news media interpretation of the announcement by calling it a 'double shift in the policy struggle'. That was a reference to the administration's previous position that the United States would not talk with Iran until it had suspended uranium enrichment and to past general disparagement of talks with Iran by the six global powers -- Britain, France, China, Russia, the United States and Germany.
William J. Burns, the undersecretary of State for political affairs, who will join the Geneva meeting, called it a 'major change' in U.S. policy. That is the also the line embraced by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other advocates of diplomatic engagement in Washington, who are eager to convey to Iran a new flexibility on the part of the administration.
The Guardian went even further, saying that the presence of Burns at the meeting 'suggests that a deal is in the offing'.
But viewing the Burns trip to Geneva as a decisive breakthrough on Iran certainly exaggerates the victory of Rice and Gates over Vice President Dick Cheney, who wants to steer U.S. policy away from any serious diplomatic negotiations.
White House spokesperson Dana Perino and State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack both described the Burns participation as 'a one-time' offer. McCormack said no further meetings were planned unless Iran suspended its uranium enrichment programme.
McCormack also said Burns's role in the meeting would be limited to one of listening rather than actually negotiating. That combination of a one-time participation and the absence of any negotiating brief sharply reduces the diplomatic significance of the decision.
The decision falls short of what had been planned by the six powers, also known as the P5+1, last spring. They had agreed informally on a 'freeze or freeze' proposal that would allow preliminary talks to take place involving the United States and Iran on the nuclear programme over a six week period.
Diplomatic sources have described the 'freeze for freeze' as requiring that Iran would not add any more centrifuges and the six powers would not act to increase its sanctions during the six-week period.
According to an EU source with direct knowledge of Solana's meetings with Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki and nuclear negotiator Jalili, on Jun. 14, however, what Solana presented was different from the 'freeze for freeze' proposal that had been discussed among the six powers.
The source was not authorised to explain the difference between the two proposals, but it now appears that Solana could not present the original freeze for freeze proposal on behalf of all six powers because the most important actor of all --- the United States -- had objected.
When State Department spokesman McCormack was first asked about an EU 'freeze for freeze' proposal on Jul. 3 and whether it was acceptable to the United States, he twice avoided addressing it altogether. But when a reporter asked in regard to the proposed informal talks, 'You do it then via the EU-3 [Britain, France and Germany], right, not the P5+1?' McCormack answered, 'Via Mr. Solana'.
When a reporter asked whether he could 'flatly state' that it was Bush's policy to refuse to sit down with the Iranians unless they stopped the enrichment programme completely, McCormack made no effort to nuance his answer. 'That is our policy,' he replied.
The United States was thus insisting that it would not participate in the six weeks of informal talks based on the 'freeze for freeze' proposal. That position would defeat the main point of holding preliminary informal talks, which was to get around the existing barrier to substantive negotiations on the Iranian nuclear programme -- the demand for a complete suspension of enrichment by Iran.
The Iranian decision to accept the Solana formula for informal talks was conveyed to Solana by a letter from Mottaki and a phone call from Jalili on Jul. 4. But when Solana announced a meeting with Jalili in Geneva to take place on Jul. 19, he was carefully ambiguous about what other states would be involved, if any.
It is now clear that this ambiguity was necessary, because he was waiting for the results of Rice's efforts to get Bush to agree to Solana formula.
When Bush finally did agree to the participation of Burns in the Jul. 19 meeting, it was on terms that were very different from what Solana had proposed to Tehran. The limitation of the U.S. commitment to a single meeting and the tight constraints imposed on Burns suggest that the decision was heavily influenced by Cheney, who has had overall control of Iran policy since 2005.
Those constraints on the U.S. diplomatic role in the coming talks with Iran are reminiscent of series of Bush decisions on diplomatic engagement with Tehran that were either tightly circumscribed, or reversed altogether because of Cheney's intervention with Bush.
In March 2006, Bush gave his approval to talks with Iran on the crisis in Iraq, which had been proposed by U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad. Rice had given her blessing to the talks when they were first announced, but by the time she arrived in Sydney, Australia, she had been informed that such talks were unacceptable to someone in the administration. In May, she was told by Khalilzad that 'it wasn't the right time to meet' with Iran.
In May 2006, Rice was working with the other five members of the coalition to craft a proposal aimed at signaling that they were willing to deal with Iran's security and regional political and security interests. But language to that end proposed by the Europeans was taken out at the insistence of the United States, reflecting Cheney's determination to ensure that the process failed to reach agreement.
Bush also wavered and reversed a decision he had originally made in late 2005 to negotiate with Sunni insurgent groups. Khalilzad actually met with the Sunni insurgent leaders seven times over a period of six weeks beginning in January 2006. But Bush ordered a halt to the negotiations after senior officials objected, even though the Sunnis had offered a draft peace proposal.
Any sign of U.S. interest in negotiations has encouraged Iranian leaders to be more forthcoming on talks. Even Rice's willingness to sign the six-power incentives document was reported by the Times to have 'visibly stunned' Iranian Foreign Minister Mottaki. So Iran may well seek to exploit Burns's presence in the meeting to offer a new proposal for a deal in order to extend the talks.
But against Bush's history of pulling back from negotiating decisions under Cheney's influence, the approval of the Burns trip to Geneva for a single meeting with Iran's negotiator seems more like a Bush non-decision on Iran policy than it does a fundamental policy shift.
Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specialising in U.S. national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, 'Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam', was published in 2006.
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Show AllDidn't Bushco send 'diplomats' to 'talk' to Iraq not long before the US started bombing the crap out of that unfortunate country?
Given that precedent, if I was the government of Iran, I would start spreading my targets thin and getting ready to retaliate when either the US or Israel starts the attack...
"Iran should live up to its obligations now; by waiting, it will only face greater isolation" - Obama July 16, 2008
What obligations? Iran is a soverign nation and under existing international agreements is allowed to pursue nuclear power for power generation. Enriched uranium is required for these power plants and enriching uranium is not a violation of any agreement. The US National Intelligence Estimate stated that there is no evidenced that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.
Even when Iran threatens Israel, Iran states it's bombs will cause fire, not nuclear explosions.
Obama has taken on Bill Clinton's foreign advisors. Clinton's presidency did not build an embassy in Iran, hold talks, or take them off Reagan's axis of evil list after the Iranian Revolution. The rest of this "obligations" shit is a bunch of lies to give pretext to a future invasion or bombing.
(Iran please do not retaliate with attacks on Israel... retaliation will lead to escalation. Fighting a superpower directly is futile.)
The US just gave Iran an ultimatum.
Co-operation or conflict.
Iran has said that abandoning it's uranium enrichment program is off the table.
So I guess everything is now proceeding as planned.
Next will be stern words from the US government, followed by dire warnings from the Whitehouse, and then the 'made for TV' moment when Bush says 'My fellow Americans...' and declares another war in the Middle East.
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Iran will WIN the "War" if such is the outcome of the BushCo model of..."Diplomacy" and..to all you spies and snitches and Infrgard members out there...if this qualifies as a "global jihadi mindset' then..FUCK YOU!
It's just a FACT! Iraq is WINNING..and they do not even have an ARMY...Iran on the other hand..not ONLY has a Million dudes with better rifles..(can you say "Gas Piston"..?)but they ALSo..did what we CANNOT do..BEAT IRAQ..in a Protracted ground war...and Iraq had OUR support..weapons..and..who knows what else...
So..are you gonna SUPPORT...financially..this.."war"..what am I saying..OF COURSE YOU WILL...rationalizations..especially for the boomer set..are more important than Sex...MUCH more important...
Oh well...if you think Social Security is even going to be AVAILABLE to you..then you are...not worth discussing the issue with....
MONEY controls everything in our "government"..we must do..WHAT OUR "REPRESENTATIVES" are supposed to do...Congress has ABDICATED thier FISCAL OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITY..and we must..TAKE THE REIGNS OF MONETARY CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY...it is OUR country..it does NOT belong to a few powerful people..to the friends of Phil Gramm..the man almost completely responsible for the "credit Crisis" and "Sub-Prime Meltdown" and now McSames "economic Policy Adviser"..these peole have SOLD us down the river for 20 pieces of Silver..JUDAS POLITICS...and these swine are NEVER GOING to "Listen" to you..or regard your "Rights" can you say telecom Immunity..?? that SHOULD be ALL the "Proof" you need that they are NO LONGER EVEN CONCERNED OR EVEN...AWARE...OF THEIR OATH OF OFFICE...THEY HAVE FAILED TO "PROTECT AND DEFEND" THE CONSTITUTION..WEAKENING TO THE POINT OF DESTRUCTION...THE 4TH AMENDMENT..IS NOT..'DEFENDING'...IT IS..ATTACKING AND DESTROYING..AND YOU PAID FOR EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY ASPECT OF THAT 'PROGRAM'..AND YOU CONTINUE TO PAY..FOOLS!
Wake UP!..those of you who GET it..please accept my DEEPEST..and truly HEARTFELT apology for my ANGER...but this could be OVER..it really ould..ALMOST OVERNIGHT...change so fast it would be really..TRULY scary..and yet..the people of this nation..PAY..and PAY..and PAY..and make EVERY bit of this ATTACK..this RABID attack on the very FOUNDATIONS of our LIBERTY....possible..even..WINNABLE..by the forces of Corporate fascism..."FRIENDLY FASCISM"..e.g. "go along and you will have only Minor inconveniance..but RESIST? even non-violently..and yuo will feel the full weight of the Federal Loyalist Clerk Army.."
We are the Constitutional Progressive Movement.."FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE CONSTITUTION" and you cannot pick and choose..ALL the amendmants..ALL the liberties..maybe ADD a ERA amendment..get Womens Rights off the courts once and for all..maybe too..a "FEDERAL BALLOT MEASURE" AMENDMENT..allow the PEOPLE to decide..by VOTE..the SOCIAL ISSUES of this nation..Drugs..Abortion..etc..but..nothing can happen as long as YOU and your FELLOWS are ...CONTENT TO BE COMPLICIT IN THE CRIMES OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENTS WAR ON FREEDOM...IT IS TIME TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR FINANCIAL DESTINY..AND SIMULTANEOUSLY TAKE CONTROL OF THE FUTURE OF AMERICAN LIBERTY AND FREEDOM...THE RIGHTS OF MAN...HUMAN RIGHTS...HANG IN THE BALANCE...WILL "RISK" NOHING? WHAT IS TOO MUCH TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY FROM TYRRANY? what ARE you willing to do...????????? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO? WHAT "RISK" ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE/ WHAT "SACRIFICE" ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE? HOW IMPORTANT TO YOU IS YOUR FUCKING FREEDOM? HOW IMPORTANT TO YOU IS THE CONSTITUTION? HOW IMPORTANT TO YOU IS LIFE?
WAKE UP! YO ARE ONE MINUTE TO MIDNIGTH..AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING..STRIKE WHILE THE IRON SHE IS A'COOKIN...SOON.....IT WILL BE.............TOO LATE!
LIVE FREE OR DIE~
If America wants to make any progress with Iran or their people it must first apologize and make reparations for our overthrow of their democracy and the years of torture and plunder under our re-installed Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The CIA Operation Ajax's overthrow and lynching of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq, happened under the reign of another Texas Republican, Dwight David Eisenhower. That too was for the plunder of petroleum. And so it goes, hoist on our own petard again.
Of course it is no surprise to find out the talks have fizzled. It simply is too difficult for the Administration to transition from cowboy diplomacy to intelligent diplomacy.
Flimsy scam. Going from "Do thing A, then we'll talk" to "We'll talk about thing A, and if you do it, we'll talk about the other stuff" is hardly a seismic shift. More like, another brick in the wall.
"Seismic Shift or Non-Decision by Bush on Iran?"
Neither.
No government in our history has ever lied so immensely and intensely.
Hence, there is no reason whatsoever to believe anything Cheney/Bush says. Period.
Note to Iranians: finish your bomb shelters as soon as possible.
The Bush administration sends someone to the "talks" only to have an insider view, so they can spin the discussions at the meetings to fit their eventual war actions.
The idea that the Bush administration believes in honest diplomacy illustrates a dangerous naivety for the world.
The US presence at the meeting actually leads the world to a more probable violent result.
Now that Bush is pursuing "diplomacy" (if you can call it that) while still hawking Iran as a threat, can anyone discern the difference between his position and Obama's?
Bush is also favoring a a timeline for withdrawal. Maybe he could be Obama's VP.
Is there any chance that Obama, maybe also McCain, isn't drifting too far from the administration's line until after inauguration day? If Cheney and his AIPAC buddies sense a "sea change", they will want to finish this thing by January.
I'm not certain what huge problems people have with all of Clinton's foreign policy advisors. In particular, Madeline Albright seemed to be a technically competent Secretary of State with the best intentions, and got US and NATO forces to straighten out a few nasty things the UN blue hats could never do.
The sanctions on Iraq were brutal, but that was a tough call, Saddam was the cause, and he managed to keep himself in palaces while the children suffered.
Secondly, Obama is his own man who wants to return good governance to the White House, not a front man for a power and money grabbing bomb, bomb, bomb agenda like Dubya.
(Speaking of Clinton, I wonder how long Condi would have lasted working for that pervert.)
For once I believe the oft-lying President Bush that he does not want to begin a war with Iran but is trying to get the best possible deal for himself and by implication for us by haggling. For this there are, I think, the following reasons. He desperately wants to become known as the President who not only "avenged" 9/11 but who increased the "security", whatever that means, of our country. If Bush can withstand the pressure of some 70% of the American people to get out of Iraq, he can and will withstand the pressure of the handful of neocons which urge him to bomb Iran. Bush may be a bumbler when he speaks publicly but he knows damn well that it was these neocons and not the "left" who have fucked him up on Iraq. He also knows very well that Iran is no threat to us or Israel even if they have a nuclear weapon. Bush does not have to consult with Hillary Clinton to understand that Iran's leaders know that their country might be devastated if they use a nuclear weapon. Until recently Iran was a convenient "enemy cum scapegoat" but the rising global power of Russia demands, at least in Condi's thinking, the formation of a kind of "cordon sanitaire" on its southern rim and the Iraq adventure has shown that this cannot be had by military aggression and occupation. Thus, try diplomacy and military disengagement for a change. Iraq and Iran are not vulnerable to Russian oil/gas blackmail. Perhaps they can be weaned away from Putin/Medvedev. Lastly, our military brass is still against a war with Iran and these are the only people which George Bush respects and trusts on the issue of war and peace. Think of the "talks in Geneva" as a diplomatic bazaar and you may understand what is going on there. It is certainly NOT the "unconditional talk" mode a la Obama. Will he and after him Obama get a good deal? I doubt that because he and Obama are still unreconstructed imperialists and imperialism in the final analysis demands control. In this case control of the oil and gas of the Middle East.
I hope that readers understand that this is my analysis of the situation and not a policy that I support. Because our imperialism is over the top and declining rapidly I favor our total and immediate military disengagement from Israel, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, and wherever else we should not be militarily and return to what we are good at which is making widgets and trading. I am not kidding.
"The sanctions on Iraq were brutal, but that was a tough call, Saddam was the cause, and he managed to keep himself in palaces while the children suffered."
After eighteen years , you are incredibly , flag-draped naive . The tough call as you describe was not America's moral perogative . You just don't get it , do you . Open your eyes , ears and mind and objectively , if you can , count up and compare the number of suffering children before the blockade when Saddam was in his palaces with the number of suffering children during the blockade AND the occupation, both of which were American-caused
Your lack of logic , your ignorance of history and your attrociously-vacuous math skills could account for this empty-headed rant.
So, can we now say out loud, as this author does, that it is Cheney, not Bush, who is (and has been) in control of policy toward Iran -- in other words, who is the real Commander-in-Chief?
I hope historians can dig out the truth about the Cheney Administration. It will save us keeping track of "Bush 41" vs "Bush 43."
@bbr-001 July 19th, 2008 5:46 pm
"The sanctions on Iraq were brutal, but that was a tough call, Saddam was the cause, and he managed to keep himself in palaces while the children suffered."
NO HE WAS NOT THE CAUSE!
The WMD's were a total fairytale. It was totally frustrating 15 years ago, if you knew what was happining to see the lies about the WMD being told. I understand that the media has diligently fed us this bullshit, but such continued ignorance is frustrating. Please heed my attempt to re-educate you.
Saddam was not the cause of 1.5 million people dead, 500,000 of them children. The USA knew perfectly well what it was doing when it bombed the water treatment the power stations. The pentagon had already informed the whitehouse what the effects of that tactic would be, and that is what they did.
Iraq has (and has) very little in the way of clean fresh water. It relied on water treatment plants to provide clean water for Iraq. Destruction of those clean water facilities would result in widespread epidemics of disease. The following declassified document shows this.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_511rept_91.html
Then they used the sanctions to prevent the repair of those water treatment plants and the power stations that powered those water treatment plants. They declared all of the parts that were needed to repair the power plants and the water treatment plants as dual use, something that could be used to make WMD. In this way, the rebuilding and repair of the bombed facilities was prevented.
The "food for oil" scheme was a RED HERRING. It was not food that Iraq lacked, it was clean water.
http://www.casi.org.uk/guide/distribution.html
Saddam destroyed his WMD in 1992/1993. Those involved have testified that Saddams orders were to destroy ALL his chemical weapons. Those involved risked SEVERE punishment if they did not. Saddam's level of "non compliance" came down to not permitting inspections in his Palace, and being, in some cases two hours late at permitting UNSCOM access to factories.
Most of Iraq, was under constant surveilance, and regular bombing by the US and the UK. On so many occasions the CIA provided UNSCOM with "intelligence" about where WMD was being manufactured. When those places were inspected, they were typically places that had been derelict for years.
Over the next decade the whitehouse repeatedly claimed Saddam was manufacturing WMD, including nuclear weapons, despite that fact that the IAEA squashed those claims. They even forged documents supposedly proving that Iraq was purchasing uranium from nigeria. There was lots of claims and accusations, which added up to a lot of noise in the media, but no actual evidence. And importantly, when those same sites were inspected, they turned out to be WMD free.
Your attempt to transfer the blame of what we did onto Saddam will no longer work. We are responsible for our own actions. Saddam ran the best hospitals and the best education systems in the middle east. That means it was better than ours, unless you happened to be wealthy. The notion that he did not care while 1.5 million Iraqis died and many more suffered is B.S. What was Saddam to do? Comply by destroying his WMD? Well he did. Permit internationsl inspectors to verify this? Well he did. Point out that he had already destroyed those WMD? Well he did. Repeatedly.
P.S Saddam never "threw the inspectors out of Iraq". They were asked to leave by the USA in preparation for a bombing campaign on Baghdad.
Ronald and Braithwa847,
Thanks for addressing bbr-001's comments and setting the record straight. I could have confused bbr for Madeline Albright...
" Galen July 19th, 2008 12:35 pm
Didn't Bushco send 'diplomats' to 'talk' to Iraq not long before the US started bombing the crap out of that unfortunate country?"
In a sense, YES; but like Gareth Porter says or describes, Cheney's the real boss in the so-called Bush Jr administration. Bush Jr is mainly a dumb puppet. So what if he graduated from university with a C average; he's still DUMB and puppet, and couldn't even manage his oil company that the Saudi unroyal family chose to financially rescue him from.
Cheney's been after Iran (and more, definitely Iraq, though likely other countries too) since minimally the 1990s when he was CEO of Halliburton; and that's CEO in official terms, since he's really not changed except in appearance since becoming the hellbent worst VP (and real P.) of U.S. history. Bush Jr's certainly criminal, but not of the order of Cheney, who, with Halliburton, illegally sold nuclear tech. to Iran by working with an Iranian nuclear scientist later arrested and given his deserved treatment by the Iranian govt for having criminally sold Iran's secret nuclear project(s) information to Cheney et al. They sold centrifuges to Iran through this scheme that was illegal according to both Iranian and U.S. govts. It was criminal and rogue according to the U.S. given that the U.S. State Dept listed Iran as a terrorist state, which it of course wasn't, but which nonetheless meant that he and Hal. secretly and criminally did business with an "enemy" of the U.S.
It's the State Dept's customary manner, to falsely list states as terrorist, while declaring really terrorist states innocent, good, ...; but Cheney and Halliburton are officially criminal due to this U.S. State Dept rule or law.
And that's just a tiny sampling of Cheney's and Halliburton's crimes; although it certainly is not the sole U.S. corporation that has and continues to sell to countries while the U.S. govt officially did this business in not only illegal, but very criminal terms.
The article (and source article) on Cheney and Halliburton selling nuclear tech. to some Iranians are the #2 of the top 25 censored stories of 2007 at 'Project Censored' (no space, and dot org). For people who don't know how to get to that top 25 index page, simply go to the home page and select the Top 25 archives link.
The two articles by Jason Leopold referenced as sources for the PC article are the following.
Aug. 5 2005,
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=806
Found via Web searching for the other source article of his I found the following Aug. 6th copy; and this is the article that the PC team refers to as the source, given it's the only one referred to by title, date and copy source (GR).
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0806-21.htm
"Halliburton in Iran
Cheney's Company Rebuffs NYC Pension Fund's Concerns About Terrorism
By JASON LEOPOLD",
Oct 28 2003, at counterpunch (dot org)
The latter opens referring to the NYC Comptroller's office having been very, wholly opposed to this Cheney and Halliburton business with the Iranian scientist or nuclear specialist who went rogue on his govt.
My Web search was done using the following keywords minus the outermost quotes, and anyone who does this search will get many other links; and many more by removing '2003' for keyword.
""jason leopold" cheney halliburton iran nuclear 2003"
Hence, not BushCo, but CheneyCo; is my point.
And that's only with respect to CheneyCo and nuclear energy; never to forget, CheneyCo and OIL, with Halliburton not being oil producer, but a major oil service corporation. Of course that means that CheneyCo works for Big Oil whether the BO elites like it or not, for without their operations, Halliburton wouldn't be a major service corporation to or in the industry.
You'd never get Bush Jr past first-grade level understanding of all of that business and what is required to be such expertly criminal, rogue, ... about it.
Otoh, CheneyCo also could never do this if it wasn't for the many aiding criminals in the U.S. govt and military; and dumb citizens. All the latter have to do is to refuse to obey, to fully dissent, which, if they did, CheneyCo might well be behind cold steel bars in damp, ... prison cells for the rest of their earthly lives by now, or years ago.
Bush Jr is no more cunning than the average dumb citizen. People can call that reality intelligent all they want, but they'll never convince me that they're right about that. Cheney's cunning, but actually obvious about it, too; we just need to [think], really [think], and open our eyes, ears and [minds]. It has always been obvious that he's a damn psychopathic racketeer ever since they hijacked the U.S. presidential administration in 2000, f.e.
Bush perhaps knew of the hijacking, but while being too dumb to really [understand]. Cheney damn understood though. And like Gareth Porter describes, Cheney is boss of Bush Jr, [really].
This is meant with some pun, [not] to offend, and it's definitely recommended to pay very careful attention to what G. Porter and these above additional resource articles say. G. Porter (a good, sharp, ... thinker and [realist]) describes two or three instances in which Cheney demonstrated being presidential administration boss, but there are other examples too. The examples he referred to are certainly good and important though.
Re. the centrifuges sold to Iran as PC and Jason Leopold say; I believe these weren't of the capacity for making nuclear weapons type of material. There were reports over the past few years or so saying that Iran had or has centrifuges, but inadequate for making nuclear weapons material; not being enough for sufficiently enriching the uranium (whatever). If I'm right about all of that, then it was still criminal of Cheney and Halliburton to sell nuclear tech. to a country or parties in a country listed as a 'terrorist' and/or 'enemy' state of the U.S.
OOPS, correction: The following paragraph was incorrectly stated in my above post.
"And that's just a tiny sampling of Cheney's and Halliburton's crimes; although it certainly is not the sole U.S. corporation that has and continues to sell to countries while the U.S. govt officially did this business in not only illegal, but very criminal terms."
The correction: "... although it certainly is not the sole U.S. corporation that has and continues to sell to countries while the U.S. govt officially did this business in not only illegal, but very criminal terms" would be correctly stated as follows:
"... although it certainly is not the sole U.S. corporation that has and continues to sell to countries while the U.S. govt officially makes this business not only illegal, but very criminal".
Some of the rest of my post had some misstatements, too, and I believe the Oct 28 2003 piece at CP is used or referred to by the PC team under there subheading of 'UPDATE ...'. In any case, it's the other article article referred to and for which the PC team did not provide the title; neither the title, nor the date. I found it by Web searching (for a while) weeks ago.
The CD copy of the Aug. 2005 article is the same (same title and opening paragraph anyway) as the Aug. 5th article at GR; not the Oct. 2003 article.
"braithwa842 July 19th, 2008 8:28 pm
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P.S Saddam never "threw the inspectors out of Iraq". They were asked to leave by the USA in preparation for a bombing campaign on Baghdad."
FINE POST, but I wonder about that closing paragraph. I thought it wasn't the Bush-Cheney administration [asking], but [forcing] the weapons inspectors to leave. Either way though, it was criminal of the Bush-Cheney administration; while it would be more criminal if the inspectors were forced instead of only (but roguely) asked to leave. The inspectors could have chosen to courageously refuse and to instead stay in Iraq, to try to make such service to Iraq and humanity one of dissent that might have possibly deterred the U.S. attack against Iraq. I didn't think highly of them leaving, but it was the Bush-Cheney et al cabal that constituted the real criminals, rogues, etcetera. The inspectors damn knew what was going to happen when they'd leave, so they were what, cowards; for leaving? But, again, I guess we can't say that that poor decision was criminal.
Mike Corbell - Agreed on all points.
Bush is merely the public face of 'Bushco'. Cheney is the kingmaker behind the scenes. Remember, when he was asked to find a Veep for Bush, after an 'exhaustive' search, the only person he could recommend for the position was... Dick Cheney! (surprise, surprise)
Cheney was there as Secdef when GHW Bush went after Iraq the first time. It was Cheney who 'supplied' the 'recon photos' that 'proved' Saddam was massing tanks on the Saudi border, and he had to be stopped. Those photos have never seen the light of day outside of Cheney's office.
If there was to be an assassination that actually helped the US, Cheney would be it. The serpent dies when the head is cut off.
Without Cheney at his elbow, Bush would rapidly prove to ALL observers that he really is as incompetent as he appears to us.
Mike Corbell,
Thanks. I very much like your postings also.
Richard Butler was not, in my opinion, a particuarly honest man, and certainly not
the unbiased man that we needed to head UNSCOM, e.g. http://www.fair.org/activism/unscom-history.html
But in any case, the following is from Richard Butler's book, Saddam Defiant: (2000):
"I received a telephone call from US Ambassador Peter Burleigh inviting me for a private conversation at the US mission [...] Burleigh informed me that on instructions from Washington it would be 'prudent to take measures to ensure the safety and security of UNSCOM staff presently in Iraq.' I told him that I would act on his advice and remove my staff from Iraq."
Either Russia has dropped a word to the wise, especially since they have just outwitted the Bus/Cheney cartel by announcing an agreement and plans to build a gas pipeline across the Mediterranean and take all of Libya's gas (and oil), or this is just an intermission while falsified documents detailing unparalleled evil and terror by Iran are created by Cheney et al for a gullible MSM shaped population.
Russia also has plans for pipelines elsewhere and agreements with Iran,including talk of a gas OPEC, the latter likely enough to send the US ballistic. How clever of Bush to renege on previous agreements and snub Russia just for the fun of it. It unfortunately shows that no matter what agreements are made they are merely temporary and will be undone by any future Republican government.
Let's hope there are enough pragmatic dampeners in high enough places to prevent the US Bush cartel from pursuing a scorched earth policy in its remaining term.
I see I took a beating on the sanctions/Albright thing, but it took Dubya and company to really mess things up. Only 5 1/2 months left!
I just did a quick read on the history of the sanctions, and you guys are right. They should have been lifed almost immediately when it was obvious the Iraqi people were taking the beating, not Saddam and his cronies. They should have been lifted in 94-95 when the French and Russians wanted to, and the US demamnding regime change in 1998 was beyond the scope of the original sanctions and totally wrong. There were detailed reports from UNICEF and other agencies, and academics demonstrating the unecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
I'm sure Clinton, Albright and Richardson will always defend their "tough call", but they could have found a better way.
It seemed clear to me that the sole reason the US joined the discussions was to insure they would fail. I believe it has been reported previously that Iran had already said they would allow an international consortium participate in their program which would insure it was not used for weaponry.
sad101, the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Administration) already oversees the Iranian program, and has stated that Iran is not violating any guidelines in their enrichment program, and that the program is consistent with their right to pursue peaceful use of nuclear technology for power generation.
One thing we know for sure, whatever Bu$h the inferior and Shotgun Dick say that sounds either good or logical is a lie.
While I don't doubt that as sad101 said, one reason the US joined the discussions was to insure they would fail, I think that most here are not seeing the real reason that Bush wants to be seen as negotiating with Iran.
There is an inverse relationship between support for the Bush Crime Family and the price of gasoline. As gas rises over $4/gallon, Bush and Republican support erodes further. I think it is just a sleazy effort to help the McSame campaign and the Reps.
The biggest single-day rise in the price of oil, over $10/brl happened when the Israelis said that military action against Iran seemed unavoidable, and the largest drop in oil futures, over $5/brl, about $12 in three days, happened when tension began to ease with the announcement of negotiations with the Iranians.
Oil traders understand that war with Iran will push oil prices to the $200 to $300 range immediately.
Sending a rep to Iran ahead of Obama's return from the middle east is a sham! Bush wants to have his propaganda ready to feed the people before Obama comes back with his "take" on the situation there! Talking with the soldiers in Afghanistan before talking with Karzai was the right thing, talking with the soldiers in Iraq will also occur, I believe, before talking with Maliki.Obama will have it confirmed from the soldiers about our murder of civilians, and from Maliki that we should leave, AND have a handle on just what the contractors are doing there - Bush and Cheney are preparing their propaganda for rebuttal of about ANYTHING Obama may say when he returns!
Apparently, some Israeli 'historian' called Benny Morris is acting as a shill in the NYT, calling for immediate military action by Israel in the next 4-7 months, and actually calling rather enthusiastically for the use of nukes at the 7 month end of things, and saying openly that the US should do it's level best to do everything it can to support Israel in this bloody act of national terrorism.
He has called the Iranian people the kinds of things that should get him hauled into court on hate crime charges. His level of vitriolic racism would do the worst hard-core neo-Nazi proud.
No doubt Cheney and the rest of Bushco will take this as a sign that they are on the right track, and we can expect the bombs to start falling right after the summer recess of the US Senate and Congress.
I hope this 'Benny Morris' has a shitload of matzo stored away. He's gonna need it after the Straights of Hormuz turn into a killing ground, and the rest of the Middle East turns on Israel like the rabid dog it is.
British PM Gordon Brown just gave a speech in Israel, echoing all the Whitehouse tough talk on Iran, saying Iran must suspend all legal uranium enrichment before talks can begin to avert conflict, while saying at the same time that if Iran does not suspend enrichment, they will be attacked.
Gee, there's incentive.
All this while standing in a country with 200 unacknowledged nuclear warheads.