A gathering of more than 100 concerned citizens adamantly voiced their opposition to military action in Iran at a town hall meeting Tuesday.
Concerned that the Bush administration is actively pursuing plans to take military action in Iran, members of the Wisconsin Network for Peace and Justice, Physicians for Social Responsibility, Madison Area Peace Coalition, and several other groups put together a panel of five local experts on U.S. policy on Iran with the goal of educating the audience and organizing a proactive, vocal anti-war group.
"The U.S. has been assisting in aiding and abetting a range of clandestine militant groups operating in Iran for some time. It has been doing so in what amounts now to a covert, low-intensity proxy war, the possible prelude to something far larger, more dangerous," said Allen Ruff, a local historian, author and activist.
Ruff said that while officially condemning them as terrorist organizations, the United States has continued to assist groups such as the People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK) and separatist Kurdish group PEJAK. Among other sources, he referenced U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich's 2006 letter to President Bush stating the United States was supporting insurgent activity as a way to take action against the Iranian government. The letter also asked Bush to report to Congress on military operations in Iran.
Of most recent concern to peace activists is House resolution 362, introduced on May 22, in which Congress urges the administration to "initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities."
Co-sponsored by Wisconsin representatives Paul Ryan, Ron Kind and Steve Kagen, the resolution states that it is not intended as authorization of the use of force against Iran. Yet some are concerned that other language in the resolution -- specifically clause 3, which demands " stringent inspection requirements" on transportation and people entering and exiting Iran -- allows the administration to effectively impose a naval blockade against Iran.
"I am very concerned about the very bellicose tone this administration has sounded on Iran," said Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin in an e-mail message. "There is a drumbeat of fighting words, including 'keeping all options on the table' and threats to use nuclear bunker busting bombs to take out underground facilities suspected of being used to enrich uranium.
"(House Resolution) 362 is precisely the type of resolution that might be misread or misinterpreted by this administration. That is why I have chosen not to sponsor it, and unless it is modified in committee or on the floor, it is why I am considering opposing it."
Rep. Kind issued a statement defending his support of the resolution: "I believe that the Iranian government's deliberate disregard (of U.N. resolutions) coupled with the volatile situation in the Middle East necessitates a firm and thoughtful response from the United States and our allies, using both diplomatic and economic measures."
"The resolution does not authorize or urge the president to use any military force against Iran."
Speakers at the town hall meeting remain concerned that the White House is preparing for using military force in Iran. Organizers circulated petitions urging Baldwin and Wisconsin senators Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl to actively work to prevent the administration from taking steps toward violent action against Iran.
In addition to opposing military action on principle, Jeff Patterson, a physician active in Physicians for Social Responsibility, spoke about the uncertainty of whether Iran actually possesses nuclear weapons as well as the sheer logistical challenge of launching a military attack.
"Many military people have said there are no good military options," said Patterson, also pointing out the high number of nuclear material sites that exist in Iran, a country four times as large as Iraq. Patterson also said that if the United States were to begin military action, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) would lose the ability to follow nuclear activity in Iran.
"I cannot and will not vote for legislation that would appear to condone military action in Iran. While I feel that any threat imposed by Iran must be addressed swiftly and skillfully, I believe that it is vital that our country first employ diplomatic, not militaristic measures," said Baldwin in a statement passed out by a representative from her office who attended the meeting.
"If we do go to war with Iran, it's going to be devastating," said panelist Tsela Barr, an active member of the group Jewish Voice for Peace and the Madison-Rafah Sister City Project. "I have seen a real political ennui that exists for most of America. Here we have this horrific war in Iraq and people dying, and there aren't a lot of protests. People are sort of used to it.
"We need to make it normal to protest. I think that the typical protest may not be the answer, so we need to think differently. If we really want to change things, it's the grass roots that have to change things."
Panelist Joe Elder, a UW sociology professor born in Iran, spoke about the history of U.S.-Iran relations and the need to follow the international "rule of law" that he said the United States has arrogantly flaunted.
Majid Sarmadi, a UW human ecology professor, also spoke about the horrible human and economic costs of war.
"I feel like I do when my parents are fighting," said Iranian-American Sarmadi. "I love this country, but sometimes feel like my mother and father are fighting, and I want to go to the corner and cry."
"We can be opinion leaders," said panel moderator Bonnie Block, who visited Iran in 2005 with a delegation from the Fellowship for Reconciliation. She said that the key to preventing violence against Iran is to be vocal at every opportunity -- in church, at work, in one's neighborhood.
"Some people may be overwhelmed, others maybe don't want to know, but I think that if we talk to people, eventually that makes a difference."
© 2008 The Capital Times
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33 Comments so far
Show Allforextrader, People (like you) who want to 'relocate' millions of people against their will - are racists. And it doesn't matter if you are talking about Iranians, Israelis or Palestinians. It's the universal concept.
Even if you would have said you want to 'relocate' all the Mexicans to Antarctica - I would still call a racist.
forextrader-
So anyone that has nuclear weapons is a "menace to the civilized world"? Would you allow anyone to have one, or only those in the club?
Your yarn about what I will label you as and why is getting very old.
I've already explained why I have labeled you in past threads. In this one all you've done so far is throw around vitriol. Do you have a point, other than to hyperventilate? You have yet to respond to any of my past statements, in any case, so why should I respond to yours?
Letto: "I think it's all boiled to the fact that Israelis don't want to be boiled in a nuclear holocaust." That's funny as fuck considering that the Zionist state has 150 or so nuclear weapons. With easy access by Zionists to nuclear weapons it is obvious that Zionist "Israel" is a menace to the civilized world. Of course Zionist storm troopers like Letto and Bamabanjo would have you believe their Zionist fairy tales about Iran being some kind of threat. And if you say something good about Iran or if you criticize their Zionist fantasy nation, you are labled anti semite, racist and other malicious slurs.
The opposition to the imperialist onslaught against Iran should not imply political support for the reactionary clericalist Islamic Regime. The Iranian government represents an unstable coalition of bourgeois capitalist interests that employs religious demagogy and occasional anti-imperialist sloganeering to maintain a tenuous grip on mass support. It fears above all the renewal of a independent movement of the Iranian working class, which has a long history of revolutionary socialist struggles. The repressive policies of the clerical regime are aimed at suppressing the resurgence of a genuine democratic, socialist and anti-imperialist movement of the Iranian masses.
But a settlement of accounts with the bourgeois regime in Iran is the task of the Iranian working class. In fact, the warmongering of the Bush administration provides the Islamic Regime with the opportunity to divert popular attention from pressing social needs within Iran itself. Moreover, an assault on Iran by the United States would have as its aim not the creation of a democratic regime, but rather the installation of another puppet government and the reduction of the country to the status of a semi-colonial American protectorate.
workreno, there are many other resources indicating that the Iranian revolutionary guard missile units had attacked Israel in 2006, and other Iranian intelligence units attacked Argentina in 1996. One must only look.
here are a couple of additional links.
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/war-dead-flown-to-iran/36557/
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP122006
the last one is taken from On July 29, 2006, the London Arabic daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. Not from Fox news.
"Hundreds of Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel are on the ground in Lebanon fighting Israel, security sources say."
Security sources say? That's it?
Well we both know this could go on all day ,but as curmudgeon99 has already pointed out that does seem to be your intent.
Are you sure you haven't left out a Fox News source?
workreno, "Iran has the best chance of any country in the Middle East of creating a TRUE Democracy and that the world banker just won't allow."
Sure they are. Here are some fresh news from today about Iran's "Democracy" in action.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7505762.stm
workreno "Oh may I see your evidence of attack in 2006 by the Iranian revolutionary guard?"
Sure,
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/hundreds-of-iranian-troops-fighting-in-leba...
Apart for attacking ISrael, they were also involved in attacking Argentina, in 1996.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3245641.stm
Jan, You are correct. Sharon, though he didn't plan or ordered or knew that Eli Hubeika would commit the massacre, is responsible (Not for the massacre itself, like Arafat or Hubeika, but for failing to anticipate that the massacre will accrue). However, unlike Hubeika (Who served for 20 years in the Lebanese parliament) or Arafat (Who served as the Charmin of the PLO), Sharon was held responsible and he was removed of his defense ministry office.
curmudgeon99 - It was biwee who brought both the issues of the USS Liberty and Sabra & Shatilla.
I hardly see biwee as an Israeli apologists.
Letto said
"The Sabra and Shatilla massacre was done by a Lebanese Christian militia under the command of Eli Hubeika (1982), in retaliation for a massacre committed against Christians in a town called Damour, by Palestinians forces under the command of one Yasser Arafat (1976)."
The Damour massacre was a response to the Karantina Massacre of (18 January 1976), in which Phalangists killed an estimated one thousand people.[Lebanese War Chronology - 1976 on 111101.net.]
The massacre Sharon's proxy militia committed happened 6 years after the others...hardly likely it was a revenge killing by then. Sharon was responsible and of course he and his supporters will always cry that they are being picked on unfairly.
Ah the Zionist apologists, letto and bamabanjo spouting their BS rhetoric full of half-truths and ganging p on individuals trying to tell the truth and/or just state an opinion.
Just like the Israeli reps who disrupt funerals of USS Liberty survivors if the Liberty is mentioned.
I think it's all boiled to the fact that Israelis don't want to be boiled in a nuclear holocaust.
Actually doesn't it all just boil down to one thing?
The Masters of Money
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
workreno: "How many countries have Iran ever attacked? ZERO"
Did you see the movie 300?
Now seriously, in 2006 Iranian revolutionary guard attacked Israel.
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workreno: "Please enlighten us what is your version of the attack on the USS Liberty?"
Friendly fire case.
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workreno: "It's about ALL people that seem to think it's a good idea to murder people that don't happen to have the same myths that you do."
I totally agree with you. Civilized people should not kill other people just because they believe in a different fairy tale about how the universe works.
Are you including Joe Liberman in your rant about the "Right" being the only ones that have noticed that Zionists appear to be a group of thugs posing as Hebrews.
Would you care to explain away the many statements of that insane Christian/Zionist Rev.Hagie (that McCain first hugged then turned from)referring to U.S. backing of Israel in a war of Armageddon ?
How many countries have Iran ever attacked?
ZERO
Please enlighten us what is your version of the attack on the USS Liberty?
When these issues arise you can't just keep calling everyone anti semantic and think we're gonna side with crazy murderous thugs because you call us names .
I have many Jewish friends .This isn't about them .It's about ALL people that seem to think it's a good idea to murder people that don't happen to have the same myths that you do.
I personally think we would be a lot farther up the evolutionary chain if we could shake both governments and religions.These two groups have murdered more people than all other groups combined.
But of course that would mean that the Vampires would actually have to offer something productive to society wouldn't it?
argus - The fact remains that Arafat is a mass murderer (Damour 1976), Eli Hubeika, the leader of the Christian Militia, is a mass murderer, (Sabra and Shatilla, 1982). Yet you, argus, blame the Jew who stood 4 miles away. (With some references to Nazi Germany)
B.T.W, More than 20,000 Palestinians were killed a few years earlier by King Hussein of Jordan (Black September). And that same year (1982) President Assad of Syria killed 10,000 civilians in a city called Hums.
Fairy Dust-
You seem to conveniently ignore the peace processes with each of these countries, which has been completed with Egypt and Jordan, and ongoing with Syria and Lebanon. Therefore your claim of an expansionist policy by Israel is dramatically undermined.
Turce-
Anyone that features so prominently the musings of their "Supreme Leader" (on the site to which you refer) can't be all that cool. High economic growth rate and single-digit unemployment rate in Iran? Is that accurate or just propaganda? I wonder how "free" their press is to print opposing perspectives?
What first post anyway? Paranoid?
They deleted the 1st post, hopefully this works, CD censors at WORK!!!!!
Listen to the Persians tell their truth at THEIR Official site and see who the true Terrorists are.
Letto,
Nobody could claim that the IDF is not one of the most professional, well equipped and efficient military organisations on the planet (sort of like the Wehrmacht in 1939).
IDF troops had completely surrounded the Sabra and Shatilla camps whilst the Christian milita raped women and slaughtered men, women and children. The Israelis illuminated the camps with flares, observed the proceedings from a high building and monitored radio traffic.
THEY DID NOTHING TO STOP THE MURDERS.
A similar thing happened when, during WW2, Russian troops stood back and allowed the Germans to put down the Warsaw ghetto uprising because it suited their political purposes.
More innocent civilians were killed on that night in Lebanon than in years of Palestinian attacks on Israel.
On any account, the refusal to intervene whilst a military force is committing atrocities when you have the capacity to do so (especially if they have been abetted by your side in being transported to the crime scene and then being granted access)would be considered by any civilised community to be a war crime.
Admittedly some leaders were dismissed their posts eventually. But not one individual ever faced a court with the possibility of a prison sentence.
Whilst not for one minute condoning any terrorist activities, any fair minded person would understand how the actions of various Israeli governments have allowed extremists in the Arab world to intensify the hatred which exists today.
The use of military force and threats of further use may work for a time but if Israel really wants peace they will have to change their bullying ways.
Israel wants PEACE, A PIECE of Syria,
a PIECE of Egypt, a PIECE of Jordan,
a PIECE of Lebanon, and a PIECE of anything
it can get it's hands on.
http://bareboca.com/
we need to say no to war because our next may be our last
Biwee, The Sabra and Shatilla massacre was done by a Lebanese Christian militia under the command of Eli Hubeika (1982), in retaliation for a massacre committed against Christians in a town called Damour, by Palestinians forces under the command of one Yasser Arafat (1976).
Sharon's only involvement was that he didn't anticipate that the Christian militia will massacre the Palestinians. For that he was removed of his defense ministry office by an Israeli court decision.
Eli Hubeika and Yasser Arafat of course were never punished.
If you need translation to English: Eli Hubeika and Yasser Arafat were the true war criminals. Ariel Sharon was only a lousy defense minister.
On July 2, 2003, the National Security Agency released copies of the recordings made by an EC-121 aircraft that flew near the attacks from 2:30 p.m. to 3:27 p.m., Sinai time (1230 to 1337 Z), and the resultant translations and summaries. These revelations were elicited as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Florida bankruptcy judge and retired naval aviator Jay Cristol. Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made, however, have claimed separately that at least two additional tapes were made that have been excluded from the NSA releases up to and including a June 8, 2007 release.
English transcripts of the tapes -- recorded by U.S. warplanes -- indicate that Israel still believed it had hit an Egyptian supply ship even after the attack had stopped. After the attack, the rescue helicopters are heard relaying several urgent requests that the rescuers ask the first survivor pulled out of the water what his nationality is, and discussing whether the survivors from the attacked ship will speak Arabic
http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/
As usual, folks like biwee will undoubtedly pile onto this thread with the typical garbage about how Jews control America, etc. that mirrors exactly (and likely comes from individuals that belong to) the extreme, xenophobic, anti-Semitic RIGHT WING, White Supremacist fringe. Mentioned in the article is Allen Ruff, who has written an interesting critique of the effort by right wing groups to try to dovetail with left, progressive critiques of Israel:
http://www.monthlyreview.org/mrzine/ruff280507.html
Of course it's fascinating that this focus on Jewish control diverts any criticism of America's own imperialistic drive in the region based in oil interests, or any substantive critique of the actual fascist tendencies of the Iranian government. But that's the point for both right wing Jew haters, Bush's CYA apologists, and left wing supporters of any resistance to America's dominance in the region. As a result, any factual critique of Iran's own hegemonic policies in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, or elsewhere, which is based in a religious drive for Shiite dominance (and therefore resisted by Sunnis in Saudi, Afghanistan, and the Gulf States, and Christians and Druze in Lebanon) is swept under the rug.
damn my sticky keyboard, and damn your buggy edit feature
While I support the opposition to another unnecessary war of choice for Israel, these folks against a war on Iran just do not understand exactly WHO runs/controls the USA. It is the same group that allowed the Israelis to deliberately attack the USS Liberty, killing 34, and wounding 170, with no consequence. The Israeli excuse
of a mistake is a lie. Check out what DCIA Helms said about the attack. It is the same group that makes the cowards in the US Congress cringe in fear, and shock and awe. It is the same group that, when convenient, wants the UN to intervene/support Israel.....yet, when it is inconvenient, this group allows Israel to ignore longstanding UN Security Council resolutions. So, folks, if you think that the USA is run for the benefit of its citizens, you are wrong. As Sharon of Sabra and Shatilla
said "we control America". You are simply cattle to be slaughtered for these rulers of America.
What happened to the USS Liberty?
You don't know?
Here is a starting point:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=uss%20liberty%20attack&ie=UTF-8&oe...
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
If indeed "Israelis don't want to be boiled in a nuclear holocaust" They may what to focus on the ONLY country that ever attacked another with nuclear weapons.
The NIE (that's ALL 16 US intelligence agencies)stated in their latest report on the subject that Iran halted their nuclear weapons program in 2003.
You can look it up or just keep spouting your HATE speech.
Oh may I see your evidence of attack in 2006 by the Iranian revolutionary guard?
Iran has the best chance of any country in the Middle East of creating a TRUE Democracy and that the world banker just won't allow.
Everyone should now notice how these Israeli apologists distracted us all from the point of the articele ( me included)