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Congressional Panel To Review Kucinich's Call to Impeach Bush
But the House committee won't actually consider removing the president from office.
WASHINGTON - Rep. Dennis Kucinich's single impeachment article will get a committee hearing - but not on removing President Bush from office.
The House on Tuesday voted 238-180 to send his article of impeachment - for Bush's reasoning for taking the country to war in Iraq - to the Judiciary Committee, which buried Kucinich's previous effort.
This time, the panel will open hearings. But House Democratic leaders emphatically said the proceedings will not be about Bush's impeachment, a first step in the Constitution's process of a removing a president from office.
Instead, the panel will conduct an election-year review - possibly televised - of anything Democrats consider to be Bush's abuse of power. Kucinich, D-Ohio, is likely to testify. But so will several scholars and administration critics, Democrats said.
The hearing is a modest gesture by House Democratic leaders to members like Kucinich who insist that Bush's reasons for going to war meet the standard for impeachment. Kucinich had said that if his impeachment article is tabled he would just propose another one.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has made clear since she ascended to that post that there would be no impeachment proceedings. But that didn't stop Kucinich from introducing 35 articles of impeachment, spending four hours in June reading them on the House floor and demanding hearings. The House summarily dispatched them for burial to the Judiciary Committee.
Kucinich came back with a single article, which was read into the record Tuesday. As it did with the others, the House referred it to the panel, chaired by Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich.
But this time, Pelosi said with a conspicuous lack of enthusiasm, that it would see some committee action.
Democratic aides said the hearing could take place as soon as next week.
The impeachment resolution alleges that Bush misled the public into thinking that he had no choice but to wage war on Iraq and implied that Iraq had helped al-Qaida with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Democratic aides have widely suggested those gauging the bill's prospects look to a precedent: the impeachment articles against Vice President Dick Cheney, which were sent to Conyers' committee in November. There's no evidence they will be considered before the Bush administration leaves office in January.
Those were Kucinich's, too. Republicans, seeing a chance to force Democrats into an embarrassing debate, voted to bring up the resolution. Democrats countered by pushing through a motion to scuttle the bill from the floor.
© 2008 The Associated Press
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Show Allobama taught at the most conservative law school in the nation
U OF CHICAGO
obama loves BANKS,
LOVES EVICTING FOLKS who got BAD LOANS
LOVES NUCLEAR
LOVES MILITARY
SORRY BARACK MCCAIN OBAMA IS JUST AS BAD
AS JOHN HUSSEIN MCCAIN
A lot of comments to read and all I hear is they're not going to do anything but, maybe, someone else will. This one or that one 'new dems' or third parties........once upon a time, in what was know as the colonies, people, many people, got fed up with the authorities.....so fed up in fact, they decided upon ideas such as 'Give me Liberty or Give me Death' and they were serious. They further understood, that as Sovereign Individuals, they had God given rights, maybe,some of you are familiar with this story?
But I'm not sure it is NOT much more than that to you...a nice old story and a nice ole piece of paper the US Constitution....and Phrases like 'WE THE PEOPLE'
Do you realize people back then had jobs to do, had to make a living and feed and clothe themselves and their families? Yet, some how they found the courage and the time to take it upon themselves to found and make a new country? They even left a blueprint of how it should work and what to watch out for.
Yet, we seem lost, bewildered, and not willing to take to the streets to uphold a once great nation. When it is fully lost, how fulfilled will you be to be able to say, well I said or typed we were in trouble. Be careful not to be heard, for your rights will be long gone along with your nation.
My question to you folks when and what will it take to awaken WE THE PEOPLE to find and make another stand? Because, it is self evident those in elected office aren't going to do it for us, even though locally, state wise, and federally they all swore an allegiance to the US Constitution. If there is to remain an US, WE must make it so and take a stand.
Those who refuse to pursue impeachment are complicit in war crimes. Let's have a long memory folks. War crimes have no statute of limitations. Let's picture orange jumpsuits on those who are violating our Constitution—and its injunction that "treaties made" are the "supreme law of the land" as it says in Article 6 (2).
Pelosi playing games with The Constitution.
It's so sad that there is any discussion of this: if we had an honest government he would have been impeached a long long time ago! Bravo Rep. Kucinich! It's not enough, but it's not his fault. ):
HEARINGS 'MODEST GESTURE' TOWARDS BUSH IMPEACHMENT
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Ah, a "modest gesture"-- like an refined gentlewoman in lace gloves fluttering a fan in front of her face while coquettishly thumbing her nose.
Even as sops go, this is a remarkably feeble one. I can't imagine who it is designed to impress, or mollify. Actually, it seems EXACTLY like one big "F--k You!" to We the People from the Ruling Class.
I read that people are still hunting down old Nazi prison guards and interpreters. How long will it take the world to hunt down America's war criminals? This might well be the Neo-Cons' New American Century.
As perhaps that is why the Bushs purchased land in Paraguay a few years ago? What do you think? All criminals need a place to hide away out of reach of the law..
Pelosi and the Democrats aided and abetted all of Bush's impeachable crimes, how could they POSSIBLY impeach him now?
We don't need a third party, we need a second.
Changing Times!! If this is the new road of the future, then I now know what a good road got me here.
It's almost as if Congress were LITERALLY a carnival, and Kucinich always good-naturedly volunteers to work the exhibit where he sits in a seat poised above a water tank, and the rubes throw balls at a target that will release the seat and drop him into the tank.
When Kucinich introduced the 35 articles of impeachment last month, many of us assumed they would accordingly be dropped into the Judiciary Committee Memory Hole. But no! We were informed that Kucinich already had a Plan B: if there was no action on his motion after 30 days, he would pick himself right up and go to the House floor to offer SIXTY articles of impeachment!
And if THAT didn't go anywhere, he would come back the FOLLOWING month and introduce ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY articles, etc.
OK, I made that last one up. But the premise seemed shaky, insofar as there is no reason to believe that the complicit and criminal Congress wouldn't blow off a thousand sound and valid articles of impeachment as easily as they blew off 35.
I'm not trying to be hard on Kucinich, but I presume that Plan B was modified to a fare-thee-well by reducing the planned humongous list of articles down to a symbolic ONE.
For which he is getting ONE symbolic hearing.
Thus, honor is satisfied. Splish! Splash!
Ah, a little tease as it were… Surely there must be some sort of internally retroactive redress to this criminal administration. The courts in Hague, though welcome are not enough. There must be a (positive) precedent set within the parameters of this country to assure this never happens again. That is if we survive the Bush regime. Impeach the bastards and then send them to Hague with our blessings.
Goo-goo ga-gaaa, funny! I love the way the Associated Press journalist here trivializes these proceedings, like the article is one of those last--funny--tidbits of news at the end of a news broadcast.
The Associated Press, the Presidency, the mainstream media: the Republicans and neo-cons own it all, and own the USA.
The only reason this article is news at all is because the Republicans wanted to embarrass the democrats by exposing Kucinich in the public eye as some sort of "liberal nutcake" or something. Americans are so fucking lost....
If Pelosi sends YOU a fund raising letter (as she did me) I suggest using the postage paid envelope to send her a copy of the 35 articles for impeachent.
She can flutter her fan over that.
"Modest", indeed! Kind of like Jonathan Swift's modest proposal that George Wanker Bush eat all of America's babies.
This isn't a sop to Kucinich. It's an attempt to use Kucinich's work to advance Democratic electoral chances. This is the problem with the Democratic Party. Instead of fighting the Republicans, the supposed greater of two evils, they give the Republicans free rein so they can use the carnage that ensues as talking points.
The solution is to never ever re-elect politicians who don't uphold their oaths of office to protect and defend the constitution; no matter how much it might hurt a party's seat count.
Kucinich has already told us what his plan is. He will keep introducing a different article every day no matter what is done with them to get them buried. He intends to keep this going, demonstrating that this congress is not capable or willing to do its duty.
Maybe, if we finally see that there really is no functioning Congress in this country, just maybe, Americans will realize the government is gone. There is no there, there.
You got what you wanted, the beginnings of a hearing. You gotta vote Dem.
Don't vote Nader or McCain'll git in an assassinate Kucinich of spite you'll be sorree!
[Norma Stitz - Weak Shill]
Pelosi is as good at rubber stamping as was her Republican predecessors.
YES! Little Brother...NICE description...PERFECT!..This is..CLASS WARFARE...I mean look at it on it's face..."BlowJob"-aka decidedly "Low Class" V. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"...uhhh..decidedly.."Upper Class"..and WHICH one do they go after with fanatic zeal? Oh..right...the BlowJob..but of course..
Also..for me..this distinction emphasizes the point that..."CockSucker" would be a great insult to use against the Upper Crust as they seem to see that as SSooooo OFFENSIVE...more offensive than DEATH and TORTURE..and yet...I cannot help but think of "COCKSUCKER" as...more..a terms of..ENDEREMENT..Ahhh yes, yes..oh well...
Anyway..This is..ARE WE THERE YET?...Is this that MOMENT..where it is..SO plainly clear that the Constitution has been essentailly suspended..or partially Suspended..at the VERY LEAST these "Representatives" have IGNORED and ABANDONED their fucking OATH OF OFFICE fer chrissakes...is that not...is this not really a SERIUOS THING? has it EVER been this bad before? have we EVER seen this kind of BLATANT DISMISSAL of the Constitutional Foundations that are supposed to govern the Political Decisions of this Nation? has it EVER been this bad? I would say.."NO!" Emphatically NO!..for ONE reason...rigth off the top...there has never before been a Technology CAPABLE of watching EVERYONE..All the time..in REAL time...per the..TERRIFYING REALITY of the ..well..nullification to a certain extent..OF THE 4TH AMENDMENT!
Add to this..that in Nixons era..we still had a 4th estate..a reliable "press' that hounded and to an extent assured SOME measure of Popular "justice'...add to that the FISA rules were the RESULT of this kind of expose' previously..but THIS itme around..instead of seeing outrage and ACTION..we actually see them WEAKENED..I mean this is BAD! Right? First they did somehting about the law breakers..THIS time they give em IMMUNITY..WOW! you've come a long way baby..and on and on and ON!..till the break of dawn...........and a FIRING SQUAD!
THEN THERE'S THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS..ESSENTIALLY BEING IGNORED..AFTER SETTING THE "BAR" OR "THRESHOLD" FOR IMPEACHMENT SET AT "BLOWJOB" THIS IS SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF HYPOCRISY THAT, IN AND OF ITSELF IT BECOMES A SERIOUS DISCREDITING BLOW TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE RIGHT WING AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY...
And ON and ON and ON!...This is REALLY happening folks..the WATER JUST GOT HOTER..THE SLOW BOIL CONTINUES...JUMP OUT OF THE POT...NOW! 'FORE IT'S TOO LATE! DIG?
I m worried folks..i am REALLY...worried...SCARED frankly..I admit it..if you take a real "Pause" and.."FOCUS"..actually sort of "Meditate" for a minute...and really SEE what it is that is actually going down..it is truly terrifying...it is not "Hippie Bullshit" this is REAL an we are SO close to a system of TECHNOLOGICAL 'FRIENDLY FASCISM' that we ALL should be making every move possible to slow this down and encourage AS MUCH DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AS POSSIBLE...BEFORE IT REACHS THE CRITICAL STAGE OF "THE BIG AUTOMATIC" ( I use this term..I think of it like a swing at the park..you wind up the chain...wind it up..and wind it up....and it UWINDS on it's own...the BIG AUTOMATIC..)we are ALMOST to that point of INERTIA...when the fucking evil trip begins to run ON IT'S OWN..the end times machine...scanning..tracking..ticketing..torturing...monitoring..etc..etc..etc...the FOUNDATION is all in place...
I do not KNOW...WHY(?) this is being done..I can only guess..that the Powers that be...somehow..in an amazing gesture of..OVERCONFIDENCE...COULD ACTUALLY BELIEVE..that we the American People...will simply 'go with the program' in the same way that the Chinese People are becoming the first...well HAVE become the first TRUE FASCIST CONSUMER CULTURE..OBEDIANTLY TRACKED QUITE LITTERALLY FROM HOME TO WORK, AT WORK, AND THEN..IN SOME CASES..IN THEIR HOMES..But Americans..i am SURE..are no where NEAR that level of OBEDIENCE..that level of "Head Bowed, Eye's to the ground..feet moving.." comes from..THOUSANDS of years..of DEEPLY ingrained concepts like "Philial Piety" etc...etc...
The only other reason I can think of, that our "Leaders" are SO AGGRESSIVELY PERSUEING TECHNO-FASCISM is that they simply are so inclined toward a "Dictatorial" mindset..immediately upon winning their 4th term in office or the like..that they simply DO NOT CARE, and NO LONGER EVEN REALIZE WHAT THEY ARE DOING...In effect the "Machine" is already in "Auto-Mode" and is simply coninueing on toward it's ultimate "CRISIS" which it will survive or fail or a little of both and we will come out the other side as something VERY..VERY different than we have been hither too...Thus far...whatever..redundancy is strange..but digress..
We are fast approaching the TERMINAL MOMENT of the "Crisis" in Socio-political direction that manages the American "System"..will the Constitution SURVIVE? Well..THUS FAR..with IMPEACHMENT BEING AT THIS TIME..NO LONGER AN OPTION FOR ANY CRIME COMMITTED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, protected by a Congress that is COMPLICIT in the crimes, signining statements...the suspension of habeus corpus, the suspension of posse comitatus, even to the exten that recent developments have cast a cloud of doubt over whether we are even CURRENTLY BEING GOVERNED BY THE CONSTITUTION AT ALL...AND THE ADMINISTRATIONS REFUSAL TO ADMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHETHER WE ARE IN FACT UNDER "C.O.G.-CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT" SYSTEM...THIS IS REALLY A BIG DEAL FOLKS! AND THERE IS LITTLE OR NO "NEWS" ABOUT IT..THE CONSTITUTION MAY IN FACT BE..AT THIS MOMENT..PARTIALLY "SUSPENDED"...or..simply "Administered" by a set of "rules" that allow for ..'latitude' that in effect is the same as suspension...ETC..ETC..I BELIEVE THE CRISIS IS IN FULL SWING!
But again...I still onder..WHY?
So..how was THAT for 'off topic' and rambling insanity..I gotta say though..better to APPEAR..at this moment in history..like a NUT than to be perceived as a 'threat'..DIG?
'....in an INSANE SOCIETY, the SANE man must APPEAR Insane...'--Captain James T. Kirk
(God I miss that show..)
what a sideshow, or rather a sideshow of a sideshow...There is NO JUSTICE in america. Fuck all corporate fascists!
In Dick Cheney's mind, the constitution ain't worth the paper it's printed on, hasn't been since his buddy Nixon got the heave-ho.
To Cheney, it's all about "he who holds the throne makes the rules." Congressional consent to attack Iran??-- you've got to be kidding him!!
Impeach noisily, effective or not, just to assert the primacy of laws before lawmakers.
I love reading only the capitals of JCrumb's maddest postings.
It's a truly a work of Burroughs-like art.
Salute!
Cheers to Kucinich and his boldness to fight against the 'Dark Force' that has taken over Washington. The rich have already won and taken control of our country and government. It is TOO LATE. The Rich both Democrat and Republican want the same thing...GREED drives everything...de-regulation, milking poor people with bad wages in other countries etc. Our Jobs slowly being sent overseas and foreign countries buying our companies. What will Americans own anymore?
The country envisioned by our forefathers has been slowly chiseled away since it's inception. JCrumb, you need to chill as it is over. We were warned by Eisenhower and others that our country was vulnerable to this type of seizure and after many Presidents, starting with Nixon, the deconstruction of our Government, our way of life and our Constitution had begun. Cheney has been in Washington since the Nixon Scandal...he was already there beginning the destruction of OUR WAY OF LIFE. Cheney...the darkest horse of all that loves to be compared to Darth Vader..interesting.
It is over as the people have NO power. Since we have no representation in Washington, well then, NO TAXES WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! This should become the American's citizens motto. NO money, no wars! People stop working the Rich make no more money and no one is around to keep the cogwheels of our country going..no one to take the Rich's trash, feed them, bathe them, clothe them..need I go on? Will the rich take out their own trash?
The rich are 1%...we are more!
Don't particularly like Anarchy to be honest.
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GO KUCINICH!!! Your nuts are HUGE!!!
If the president pull out a gun and shot the next reporter asking a tough question at his next press conference, would he be arrested for second or first degree murder? Would that be an impeachable offense?
tetti_tatti said: "Pelosi and the Democrats aided and abetted all of Bush's impeachable crimes, how could they POSSIBLY impeach him now?"
That is it in a nutshell isn't it? They are COMPLICIT in the BushCo Crime family, therefore, to avoid their own guilt, they're protecting Bush. What a disappointment Pelosi turned out to be hey. I still think that she's in love with Bush... look at any picture of them together and she's fawning all over him.
J _ C R U M B,
Excellent points.
Have you in fact, considers how the situation is now similar, but reversed ?
While Clinton was the recipient of cocksucking, which did get him impeached ( just not convicted ) -- the entire moral fiber of illusionary America was put at stake ! Such outrageous and reprehensible behavior in the "ovum" office, AS IF our country was being run by criminals and Al Capone had shamelessly left the drapes open!
Now that we know that our leaders have vanishing little morality, and effectively the "chain of command" is a humongous cluster fuck, where those wishing to be "worthy of wealth", and are quite hard pressed to gain access to our politicos and powerful ones nether regions.
__ C O N T R A S T __ Clinton's behavior then, __ with bu$h!t'$ today :
essentially most of the American people kowtowing authority ( survival instincts ), are thus similarly engaged in cocksucking the royal power staffs, cleavages, and orbs -- for gaining MORE power and wealth -- and there is no moral outrage left ( nor mouths "ready" to speak "offenses" seen, or obscene ).
This is so absurd to imagine, that it might possibly invoke fits of laughing, butt this crescendo of out-sourced BUILDING pleasuring, is a very deeply serious BUSINESS deal ( and opportunity for advancing, "up" the chain ), like a NAFTA stafta party.
Almost all of America are now the cocksuckers, while of course the politicos are too busy "screwing up America" -- for impeachment.
W H I C H __ B R I N G S __ M E __ T O __ M Y __ P R O P O S A LA __ D E C E N T __ P R O P O S A L
Perhaps we need to impeach the entire American people for egregious cocksucking that's totally interfering with the proper, honest, and decent operation of our gov't ? I doubt that anyone is getting much real work done these days, as the clusters are in grid-lock …
We must stand up, put our pants back on, and allow the proper governance "positions" to be honored and dignified once again.
Thank you,
for reading this "modest" proposal.
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Not all of us need another reason to vote for a third Party candidate, but here is one yet again.
The process of protecting liberty and justice is being squashed by the democrats and republicans with their lawlessness. There is no law that they will enforce that will bring about true change and justice.
When Obama didn't object to Kucinich being excluded from the debate is when he lost all respect for me.
What exactly is party loyalty and patriotism about? To shut your eyes to any travesty if done in the name of the party or country?
Vote Third Party. Why give the corporate elite the stick that they will hit you over the head with later. I'd rather they find their own stick.
Obama may be better than McCain, but he is not good enough. Not by a long shot.
I would vote third party again if it wouldn't kill me.
Thank you Dennis.
citizenblog:
The people in power to suppress the peasantry always throw 'anarchy' if they try to protest.
What about people just standing up for their rights...Constitutional rights! That is not Anarchy...
Question, was it termed anarchy when the Colonists stood up to Mother England? Answer me that.
KCThompson
My advice to you if you desire a Dictatorship is to move to Zimbabwe or Russia or China where the people are suppressed.
If you don't like the Constitution..GET OUT of America.
THE DEMOCRATS TRY A NEW STUNT!
but not on removing President Bush from office.
-this stunt is designed for sap consumption and to give some cover to DPAs (Democratic Party apologists)
But House Democratic leaders emphatically said the proceedings will not be about Bush's impeachment,
-why would the Democrats impeach their own leader?
The hearing is a modest gesture by House Democratic leaders
-another Democratic Party capitulation to Republicans and a slap in the face to progressives whom they reason have no choice but to vote for them bad as they are (lesser-evilism)
that there would be no impeachment proceedings.
-DPAs please explain why the leader of your party says that impeachment is off the table and then why Clinton did get impeached
Pelosi said with a conspicuous lack of enthusiasm
-the Democrat's leader really didn't want to do this but saw the necessity for the ploy (Democrats aren't as stupid as we claim they are)
There's no evidence they will be considered before the Bush administration leaves office
-now does that really surprise anyone?
Republicans, seeing a chance to force Democrats into an embarrassing debate, voted to bring up the resolution. Democrats countered by pushing through a motion to scuttle the bill from the floor.
-the complete capitulation and shameless cowardice and complicity of the Democrats know no bounds.
Vote for Cynthia McKinney, Nader or 3rd party!
This backroom deal was made in order to allow the MSM to claim: Democrats to Hold Impeachment Hearings!"
The saps that watch Fox News will think it's serious, however anyone with half a brain cell can see through the entire event as a charade and a mockery.
Go figure! Lying about sex get one president impeached; Lying a country into an illegal war that has resulted in the loss of life for thousands of US soldiers' and hundreds of billions of taxpayers' dollars leaves impeachment for another, "off the table."
criticalthinktank July 16th, 2008 3:41 pm
citizenblog:
"The people in power to suppress the peasantry always throw 'anarchy' if they try to protest.
What about people just standing up for their rights…Constitutional rights! That is not Anarchy…"
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I think we are already in a state of anarchy with illegal eavesdropping and illegal torture. I want The Constitution re-installed but don't like violence. The anarchists are Pelosi, Bush, Cheney..
To: criticalthinktank
You are a real american ignorant and arrogant
When KCThompson refers to impeaching the constitution he means it is not worth anyhthing in your favourite leader's era so throw it out
Long live facsim....
More gestures from the Democratic Congress...
Yay?
No one was making money off of Bill's bjs.
On the other hand, lots of people make money off a war. Those hundreds of billions of dollars didn't just disappear. Instead they went into someone's pocket.
And now those someones have the money to put a small fraction of that back into the pockets of politicians as 'contributions' to make sure that the war money keeps flowing.
Basically you are dealing with people who've sold out their country and the constitution. That's what you get when you vote Democrat. Please stop voting Democrat.
I can affirm that you can walk into a voting booth, vote third party, and walk out alive when finished. Try it, you'll probably like it.
In 2006, I sent Rep. Conyers some money in exchange for his extensively annotated book, 'George W. Bush vs the US Constitution,' in which he laid out the multiple ways in which Bush has violated our supreme law, thereby meriting impeachment. Yesterday, upon hearing that Conyers had said there would be hearings on Kucinich's articles, but no action, I sent his damn book back to him. He used to be the shining light for support of the Constitution; now, morally, he's as bad of an enabler of Bush as Rove, in my opinion.
I urge others who bought Rep. Conyers' book to send them back to him, as well. What a hypocrite! Rep. Conyers, have you no shame, sir? You conned me and others into giving you money on the pretext that you would stand up for the Constitution. Now I realize it was just another bait-and-switch.
I expect that we will be had by Republicans and by our Corporate Masters, just as the movie 'Sicko' showed that we've all been had by the US health-care system and the US media. I guess being had by our esteemed 'liberal' members of Congress is all just an extension of the same scam.
Reducing the number of Articles I feel is a good move, it focuses the argument on one statement: Bush lied to America about 9/11 and the reasons to go to war in the Middle East.
If that sentiment of truth could be drilled into America's consciousness like "flip flop" it would get tremendous results, if not in the impeachment of Butch/Cheney (which is still possible!), then in building up the self dignity to question authority at whatever level whether it be at home, work or hobby.
Instead of sounding off like you're drinking from Pelosi's Kool-Aid pitcher of the lackadaisical, I recommend having at least one more week of fun with calling for the impeachment of Butch/Cheney, who really knows what might happen?
And the more Butch/Cheney's scandalous behavior come to light in the Mass Consciousness, the more both McCain and I'll Bomba Pakistan will move away from that type of horrendous human action.
I'll vote third party whenever and wherever I don't help the Bush/McCain/Repugs get in. Nuclear annihilation wasn't on the menu in 2000. It is now.
has it ever occurred to any of you, that perhaps, just perhaps, they have something else lined up for george 'wanker' bush after he leaves office.................just a thought.
Try Pelosi for war crimes. If she's stopping us from getting to Bush, let's get her out of the way. Vote Cindy Sheehan.
It ain't gonna happen. Too many criminal entanglements amongst representatives. When 95% of the barrel is rotten, it's time to dump the whole barrel out. If they let Bush get away with 911 and the wars and torture that followed, they will do nothing now. We're way past the point of no return.
There's not a snowball's chance in hades of the Democrats prosecuting Bush and others should the Democrats win in November.
First off, there's the track record. We have the record of the Democrats refusing to impeach or otherwise prosecute lawbreaking members of this administration. In cases like torture and unconstitutional spying on Americans, instead we've seen the Democrats work hard to pass retroactive immunity laws.
Second, we also have the record of the Clinton Administration which did very little to prosecute the crimes of the Reagan-Bush era.
Then we have what the Dems are saying, or not. I've never heard a word from any leading Democrat saying that they'd prosecute the criminals of this administration if they took power. Not even in the days when Obama was pretending to be progressive did he say that. And note carefully that during the Democratic primaries, that position would have been a very popular vote getter among the Democratic voters in the primaries. So, you have a candidate Obama who very much avoided saying he'd do this even though it would have helped him win that tight contest for the nomination.
Also, if you listen closely to Obama, you hear him talking with the theme of 'divisiveness is bad, unity is good'. Along with constant talk about how wonderful Reagan was and promises to put at least one Republican in his cabinet. Especially on the last point, put that together with the paragraph above. And realize that even when Obama was pretending to be a progressive to get the nomination, not only did he not promise to prosecute but he instead was promising to put Republicans in his cabinet.
So, here's what's going to happen. Should Obama be elected, he'll make a speech talking about how unity is good and divisiveness is bad. He'll talk about how we need to look to the future and not the past. Then he'll let everyone of these crimes go unprosecuted.
If you want to see Republicans prosecuted by the next administration, then you'd better make sure the next administration is President McKinney from the Green Party.
I recently returned from my first ever visit to Washington, DC. Time was limited, so I opted not to visit the National Archives. The reason I passed on viewing the Constitution is that my president said it's "just a goddamned piece of paper." So, why bother?