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The Motivation for Blocking Investigations Into Bush Lawbreaking
Harper's Scott Horton yesterday interviewed Jane Mayer about her new book, The Dark Side. The first question he asked was about the Bush administration's fear that they would be criminally prosecuted for implementing what the International Red Cross had categorically described as "torture."
Mayer responded "that inside the White House there [had] been growing fear of criminal prosecution, particularly after the Supreme Court ruled in the Hamdan case that the Geneva Conventions applied to the treatment of the detainees," and that it was this fear that led the White House to demand (and, of course, receive) immunity for past interrogation crimes as part of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. But Mayer noted one important political impediment to holding Bush officials accountable for their illegal torture program:
An additional complicating factor is that key members of Congress sanctioned this program, so many of those who might ordinarily be counted on to lead the charge are themselves compromised.
As we witness not just Republicans, but also Democrats in Congress, acting repeatedly to immunize executive branch lawbreaking and to obstruct investigations, it's vital to keep that fact in mind. With regard to illegal Bush programs of torture and eavesdropping, key Congressional Democrats were contemporaneously briefed on what the administration was doing (albeit, in fairness, often in unspecific ways). The fact that they did nothing to stop that illegality, and often explicitly approved of it, obviously incentivizes them to block any investigations or judicial proceedings into those illegal programs.
In December of last year, The Washington Post revealed:
Four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.
The article noted that other Democratic members who received briefings on the CIA's interrogation program included Jay Rockefeller and Jane Harman. While Harman sent a letter to the CIA asking questions about the legality of the program, none ever took any steps to stop or even restrict the interrogation program in any way.
Identically, numerous key Democrats in Congress -- including Rockefeller and Harman -- were told that Bush had ordered the NSA to spy on American without warrants and outside of FISA. None of them did anything to stop it. In fact, while Rockefeller wrote a sad, hostage-like, handwritten letter to Dick Cheney in 2003 (which he sent to nobody else) -- assuring Cheney that he would keep the letter locked away "to ensure that I have a record of this communication" -- Harman was a vocal supporter of the illegal NSA program. Here's what she told Time in January, 2006 in the wake of the NYT article revealing the NSA program:
Some key Democrats even defend it. Says California's Jane Harman, ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee: "I believe the program is essential to U.S. national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities."
Harman then went on Fox News and pronounced that the NSA program was "legal and necessary" and proudly said: "I support the program." Even worse, in February, 2006, Harman went on "Meet the Press" and strongly suggested that the New York Times should be criminally prosecuted for having reported on the illegal program. And indeed, in 2004, Harman demanded that the NYT's Eric Lichtblau not write about the NSA program. As Lichtblau wrote in his recent book about a 2004 conversation with Harman:
"You should not be talking about that here," she scolded me in a whisper. "They don't even know about that," she said, gesturing to her aides, who were now looking on at the conversation with obvious befuddlement. "The Times did the right thing by not publishing that story," she continued. I wanted to understand her position. What intelligence capabilities would be lost by informing the public about something the terrorists already knew -- namely, that the government was listening to them? I asked her. Harman wouldn't bite. "This is a valuable program, and it would be compromised,' she said. I tried to get into some of the details of the program and get a better understanding of why the administration asserted that it couldn't be operated within the confines of the courts. Harman wouldn't go there either. "This is a valuable program," she repeated.
In light of this sordid history of active complicity, is it really any wonder that these leading Democrats are desperate to quash any investigations or judicial adjudications of Bush administration actions that they knew about and did nothing to stop, in some cases even actively supporting?
Yesterday, I was on Warren Olney's To the Point discussing the FISA controversy. The guest interviewed immediately before me was Jane Harman (and before her was Lichtblau). Harman was vigorously spouting every false talking point to defend her vote in favor of telecom immunity and the new FISA law, including the painfully absurd claim that the new FISA law actually "makes the law stronger than the original law. It's a better law." She kept saying things like this to justify her support for terminating the lawsuits arising out of the illegal NSA program:
OLNEY: But back to the question, though, of the phone companies. Why was it that one company, Qwest, seemed to think that there were serious questions to be raised about this and the others didn't? Can you tell us that?
HARMAN: Well, I respect what Qwest did. Qwest said that the strict letter of FISA isn't being followed, as I understand it. That was some very careful lawyering.
The other telecoms that complied with requests believed -- so they say -- that they were complying with valid requests from the Government. And remember that when this happened, it was shortly after 9/11 and so forth --
OLNEY: Yeah, but if they didn't, and privacy was violated, shouldn't they be held to account? HARMAN: I think that a process should be followed. I think the people who should be held to account are the people who made the decision not to follow FISA, and those were not the telecom executives.
Actually, "the people who made the decision not to follow FISA" most certainly did include the telecom executives -- as well as people like Jane Harman herself who, in her capacity as ranking member of the Intelligence Committee, was told about the illegal spying program and supported it as "legal and necessary," and even tried to bully journalists into refraining from exposing it.
Exactly the same thing happened with Jay Rockefeller and Bush's torture program. It is absolutely the case that, as Mayer pointed out yesterday and as I wrote about at the time, Bush officials faced serious danger of criminal liability in the wake of the 2006 Hamdan ruling that the Geneva Conventions applied to Al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. But the Military Commissions Act, passed several months after the Hamdan ruling, took care of that problem by immunizing the lawbreakers. Jay Rockefeller was right there supporting that retroactive immunity, too -- thereby helping to block investigations and prosecutions for illegal torture programs about which Rockefeller knew and in which he was complicit. This is exactly the dynamic which Law Professor, Fourth Amendment expert, and Simple-Minded, Confused Leftist Hysteric Jonathan Turley was describing on MSNBC on June 19:
I mean, the Democrats never really were engaged in this. In fact, they repeatedly tried to cave in to the White House, only to be stopped by civil libertarians and bloggers. And each time they would put it on the shelf, wait a few months, they did this before, reintroduced it with Jay Rockefeller's support, and then there was another great, you know, dustup and they pulled it back. . . .
I think they're simply waiting to see if the public's interest will wane and we'll see that tomorrow, because this bill has, quite literally, no public value for citizens or civil liberties. It is reverse engineering, though the type of thing that the Bush administration is famous for, and now the Democrats are doing -- that is to change the law to conform to past conduct.
It's what any criminal would love to do. You rob a bank, go to the legislature, and change the law to say that robbing banks is lawful. . . .
This is a very frightening bill. What people have to understand is that FISA itself is controversial. This court issued tens of thousands of warrants granted applications for surveillance without turning down any. Only recently did they turn down two. . . . What you're seeing in this bill is an evisceration of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. It is something that allows the president and the government to go in to law-abiding homes on their word alone, their suspicion alone, and to engage in warrantless surveillance. That's what the framers that drafted the Fourth Amendment wanted to prevent. . . .
Well, there's no question in my mind that there is an obvious level of collusion here. We now know that Democratic leadership knew about the illegal surveillance program almost from its inception. Even when they were campaigning about fighting for civil liberties, they were aware of an unlawful surveillance program as well as a torture program. And ever since that came out, the Democrats have been silently trying to kill any effort to hold anyone accountable because that list could very well include some of their own members.
And, I'm afraid this is Washington politics at the worst. And, so, I think that what you're seeing with this bill is not just caving in to a very powerful lobby, but also caving in to sort of the worst motivations on Capitol Hill since 9/11. You know, the administration was very adept at bringing in Democrats at a time when they knew they couldn't refuse, to make them buy in to this program, and now that investment is bearing fruit.
So, of course key Congressional Democrats who were made aware of these illegal torture and surveillance programs are going to protect the Bush administration and other lawbreakers. If you were Jay Rockfeller or Nancy Pelosi, would you want there to be investigations and prosecutions for torture programs that, to one degree or another, you knew about? If you were Jane Harman, wouldn't you be extremely eager to put a stop to judicial proceedings that were likely to result in a finding that surveillance programs that you knew about, approved of, and helped to conceal were illegal and unconstitutional?
When President Bush and Vice President Cheney celebrated the signing of the new FISA bill at the White House along with Jay Rockefeller, Steny Hoyer and Jane Harman (see the wonderful photos here), they weren't just celebrating with the political officials who helped protect them from consequences for illegal acts. They were celebrating with those who were participants in those acts, and who were therefore just as eager for immunity and an end to judicial proceedings as Bush officials themselves.
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
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Show AllWell, well, well. People are catching on to the the Democratic complicity in the illegality that pervades this administration. This article deals with torture. There will be revelations about the illegal wiretapping as well. And guess what? The Democrats will be complicit in that too. Not because they were concerned about National Security. No, they were involved with the illegal wiretapping because they knew their prospects for returning to power were very good.
What does seating a Democratic administration have to do with illegal wiretapping? I'm just speculating, but it would make sense that they preserved the governments' ability to conduct these illegal intrusions so they could reap the same political bonanzas in the form of extortion and possession of sensitive information on political opponents. Bush has them now, and the Democrats want them when they come to power.
Do you question the validity of that speculation? Well, wager me this: Karl Rove will not be compelled to testify about the Attorney General scandal because he possesses information on key Democrats from the illegal wiretapping operation. Wanna bet I'm right on this?
As many of us already knew, Nancy Pelosi was complicit in the crimes of the Bush Administration. As a result, no impeachment. She is the one who should be impeached and/or recalled. How about it California?
I have been saying all along that the continued funding for the war, the obfuscations, the approving of the retroactive immunity laws were indicators of complicity and profiteering. Stating the obvious!!!
kittyc July 15th, 2008 12:31 pm
Right. How about it California? Please!
kittyc: 12:31 pm post...Correct! This is why we are supporting Cindy Sheehan for Congress. It's time for Ms Pelosi to step down. Cindy NEEDS every bit of help, both financially, in campaign assistance, and by voting for her in November, because she is taking on the most corrupt regime in US History.
Please help her in any way you can, Kitty.
If at first we don't secede - at least we can 'short' the dollar.
Remember, voting for the lesser of two evils is evil!
All of the accusations about the Democratic being weak and spineless, capitulating to the Bush Administration's every whim ignore the reality of their overt complicity in his crimes. They've simply decided that it's better to be thought of as a coward than a collaborator.
You're right, of course, Gus. All the worms are in the same tub. (I just set up a worm farm for composting a few weeks ago, hence the image. When I open it up to feed them there's this massive, 2000-worm ball writhing around waiting for dinner.) Dem and Repub alike. The Dems can virtuously point out that the Repubs set the whole thing up; not their fault. But since it's there, they might as well use it. No sense in letting it go to waste even though of course they would never have done something like that themselves...Of course impeachment is off the table. Pelosi doesn't want her fat little ass getting impeached right alongside the others. Things are beginning to make a little sense...
...and allow me to add that the complicit dims have no intention of changing the course of events because they will use the very same torure/spy techniques, darwinian economics, military industrial complex in advance of empire,(etc. etc.) when they assume total control of the government crap pile. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Harman is a NeoCon, no surprise. Why can not Americans figure all this criminal activity out?? Ask Addington, or
Perle..........
Speaking of high crimes:
President Bush has just vetoed the Medicare bill that we've all worked so hard to pass.
Finally seeing some specific proof on crimes we knew about all along. The Republic is dead, the Constitution is in tatters, the government is a corrupt bunch of criminals. This is all ostensibly the result of one terrorist attack, but of course the seeds of corruption and destruction of the rule of law go back to Reagan and beyond. Banking system on the verge of collapse, food and gas prices spiralling into the stratosphere while the dollar tanks in the opposite direction. Bin Laden laughing his head off in Pakistan - his once-in-a-lifetime success has brought down the USA - an outcome he could never have envisioned in his wildest dreams...
Sorry, you are making a mistake about Pelosi. The only time in American politics you get your ass kicked is when you screw with "The System". You can be a drug addicted, pedophiliac, serial killer and as long as you kowtow to the right folks, yure a Hero of the Republic. Embarass them or cause them trouble, they get you no matter how long it takes. Think Frank Church and the Church Committee, aka political suicide. He never saw elected office again.
Nobody ever lost by fucking the American peasantry.
Is that a surprise?
Ever notice how the Democrats on the Intelligence """""""""""""""""""""""Oversite"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Committee are always the furthest right? They are Scoop Jackson, Thomas Dodd (research THAT one-- contains multitudes!) Lieberman Connecticut Wannabe's in CIA's Courthouse types. who are constantly Scooping more of your taxes and giving it to the defense contractors, and allowing greater and greater secrecy for the "Watchdogs" of the Dead Branch --BornAgainSoon when McBomb'Em wins in November.
Yet another reason to lament our disgraceful press, which works overtime to obscure or bury the real issues in the presidential campaign. John McCain should be made to answer the question, will you issue pardons to Bush, Cheney, and all their men and women for whatever crimes they committed while in office?
Come to think of it, Obama should be made to answer this question, too.
That's what happens when you elect Tweedledee to investigate Tweedledum.
When will Democrats apologize to Nader?
Finally the truth. Everyone in Congress is guilty as well and charges could be brought against them. They know this and this is why they are supporting breaking the law. Also, the neo-cons may have dirt on all the Congress people to keep them in line or 'face the consequences'.
The Rockefeller family is EVIL and has been the rich controlling power in this country since the 1800s. We need to get them out of Washington and never elect one family member to Congress or higher ever again. It is time for the Poor and Middle class to TAKE Back the country from the Rich.
Yes, the rich have always had their way in our country since it's inception..George Washington, rich, Ben Franklin, rich...do you think they would ever sanction the people actually running the country? No, the rich have always and will always rule as long as a monetary system is used. This is across the world as well.
The rich rule and as long as they do, don't expect any criminal charges to ever be brought against them as they are rich, and better than the rest of us. Being rich is power and that is the way it will always Be. Our Government is already gone.. We are ruled by a Fascist, rich, and Despot Government now run by the same rich that rose to power in our country...The Rockefellers and other elitists.
"As many of us already knew, Nancy Pelosi was complicit in the crimes of the Bush Administration. As a result, no impeachment. She is the one who should be impeached and/or recalled. How about it California?"
You mean, how about it San Francisco? San Francisco, thought by most to be the most left leaning large city in the nation, won't get rid of Pelosi because of the money she can bring to "The City" ( as San Franciscans call it). They mostly like Pelosi and don't think of her as a Bush quisling. You can forget about getting rid of her. However, if the economy of the United States collapses . . . that's a different scenario.
Because of the criminal nature of both the Bush administration and Congress, any and all laws passed from 2001 to present should be declared null and void. How much more blatant do they have to be before the people scream ENOUGH!?! It's not like they're even trying to hide their crimes anymore, they're retroactively legalizing their crimes, which of course is in direct violation of the constitution. It's pretty cut and dry don't ya think?
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is so severely compromised by the implicit failure of the US Congress to uphold the US Constitution, that the law should readily crumble to dust in hand while members of the US Congress are prosecuted, along with the occupiers of the White House, for high crimes.
gus: you are 100% right
>>because he possesses information on key Democrats from the illegal wiretapping operation. Wanna bet I'm right on this?<<
I've said all along that this is why Cheney has ordered warrantless spying to be the rule of the day; it was Richard Nixon's dream: Political blackmail!
And yet, the knee-jerk Democratic partisans and lesser-evilists will refuse the conclusion that the Party of Judas is, or has become, as morally bankrupt as the Party of Cain.
Instead, like heartbroken but overprotective parents, they will suggest that the Democrats are GOOD souls at heart-- they've just become a little mixed up after running with the wrong crowd. Peer pressure is a terrible thing!
Why, as soon as Obama, that paragon of rectitude, is installed, they'll cast off their bad habits and return to their wholesome, aboveboard ways. The WORST thing We the People could do is turn away from them NOW, when they really need our support the most! A little tough love is the answer-- even if we have to toughly love them every day for the rest of our lives.
The true problem here is the lack of "oversight" and "accountability".
The voters elect members of the political body to represent them, then simply go blithely on their way believing that the politician(s) will follow through with their obligations to their word and "do the right thing".
If you take into consideration that without any oversight the politicians do exactly that; they "do the right thing for themselves", and since they have no oversight, no one checking their progress, or looking "under the hood" they have always been, and with very few exceptions, simply human beings, doing the human thing; taking care of themselves. With no accountability, the people are assured that the crimes will continue. If the Citizens expect the criminal element to be held accountable through the trial by jury process; they would be foolish not to expect the same of those they elect to office. If you are not afraid of doing the time, you are most likely to do the crime.
Now the citizens of the United States have here at the beginning of the 21st Century a wonderful opportunity to begin a new century, with insight into the nature of the politician and perhaps make the system work for the first time in US History.
It will take considerable courage to admit to the world that the "people" have made grave errors in the past. However when the world views the United States Citizens, convicting those who are directly and even indirectly connected to these latest violations of international law, the blatant criminal behavior of so many in this administration the World will view the United States and it's CITIZENS in an entirely new light.
The Bush administration could never have accomplished so much without so many others helping them. They all new that the likelihood of them being held personally responsible were slim to none. One good example is the recent revelation that Karl Rove left US Territory while under subpoena of/by Congress. Since he did not spread his chubby little arms and fly away, he had to have a pilot with a license take him to his destination. Whether it was a private aircraft or commercial the pilot had access to his passenger list, and was complicit in Mr. Roves violation of international law, he left jurisdiction, he flew away, and he is not expected to return anytime soon. If that pilot had been afraid of the consequences he would have refused Mr. Rove a seat on the aircraft. After all how many Karl Roves are there out there with this man's credentials---i.e. passport. The people who allowed him to clear customs, under subpoena without diplomatic immunity are culpable as well. In fact everyone there except the person(s) with a broom and dust pan, were culpable. That is just one example.
The corruption of this administration is only a reflection of the corruption of the culture and therefore the society. Not that everyone is corrupt, but enough of them are to commit these and so many other crimes. Most of which the rest of us are not yet informed of the many crimes this administration has committed.
The only solution is oversight and accountability. Without the combination of those two, these and many more crimes will continue and most likely get worse.
Nazi Germany could never have created the misery they did without the complicity of the people, who did not initiate oversight and accountability; or they looked away. The United States of America stood in judgement over Nazi Germany because the Germans could not or would not manage their own oversight and accountability. Someday another judgement body may do the same to the United States if they cannot manage that task themselves; the world may step in and so it for them.
The United States is loosing its position as a superpower and one of the reasons it is are stories like the one here.
Germany is still "occupied" by a military presence of the United States, how much longer is for the world to decide if the United States does not.
Mordechai Shiblikov,
We'll see in November. The people I've talked to in San Francisco think somebody "has gotten to Ms Pelosi" and are disenchanted with her, but you are correct about the party faithful, excusing her for enabling Bush and company. She brings money to "The City?" Maybe AIPAC conventions. The beauty of San Francisco itself, coupled with citizen pride, brings money in. You say,
"However, if the economy of the United States collapses...that's a different scenario."
I believe the economy has collapsed and all one needs to do is read the headlines everyday. I will do everything I possibly can to see Pelosi defeated and Sheehan elected to Congress.
Short-sighted political opportunism and cowardice go hand in hand with the small minds that are running (ruining) the show. Where are the statesmen? Where is the vision? Where do our children go for true guidance? How do they escape this vicious cycle with the tremendous debt left to them? Pelosi, despite the fanfare over her historic position is a great disappointment. The future is dark with the stain of our inaction. History will not and should not be kind.
Perhaps the greatest in the series of high crimes committed by the White House and the US Congress in enabling the NSA's illegal warrantless eavesdropping upon US citizens is their suppression of public attention toward the issue of the intent and value of warrants. Never once has any member of the federal government offered responsible publicity for the purpose of the warrants or the FISA's design that ensured that the oversight would not interfere with surveillance. Irresponsibility, and indifference or contempt for the people is shared among all of the fed politicians with few exceptions. It's no surprise as most are imperial beneficiaries. Feverish hostility toward the people is likely to be isolated to the top two criminals in the White House and their underlings in the executive branch.
Please don't include Kucinich in this mob of criminals. He is one of the only ones that have stood up to these monsters.
Many years ago some one discovered that the oil from the jojoba bean (Indigenous to America) could lubricate all of our machinery . Including auto engines . A crank case full of this bean oil would mean just change the filter and top off the oil . Production of this bean oil would bring the crude oil prices down to 1930's prices and the speculators would be jumping out the windows . This bean grows well in most of north and south America . The petro and auto companies have designed the auto in a way to make it difficult to burn anything other than gasoline and in doing so have increased the cost of auto production parts greatly . So why fret over fuel , lets start with the other products which require no modifications to the auto .
Maybe someone here can answer this, If the commander in chief and the next in line are the ones attacking the constitution who does the military obey.
Umm..duh
I have been saying this since December 8th, 2007, when the WaPo broke the story that Pelosi had been briefed on torture in 2002.
Congress members CANNOT be recalled or impeached.
We can demand Pelosi's resignation, but somehow, I don't think it will work. OR we can vote her out in November, and elect me.
www.CindyforCongress.org
xoxo
Cindy
Countcoup.
On target there. The prisons are full of people who thought they would never end up there. But the accountability caught up with them, and the oversight of the court system assured it.
If the people in the USA make the criminal behavior of the Bush administration an example NOT to follow, the possibility of future infractions will be reduced considerably.
GW Bush and the co conspirators of these latest series of crimes, from both houses, should be held accountable and suffer the consequences of those crimes.
If making the punishments not worth the commitments of the crimes, then only the mentally ill will be locked up.
It might be a better investment for the future for the USA to be willing to finance a special prison unit in the Spandau example, instead of spending so much money on the corruption the cureent political system requires.
Mr. Bush and Mr. Rove could be "cell mates" even sleep in each other arms each night, for the rest of their lives.
It would be another example to confiscate their personal wealth as well, so as to set an example for the future members. Mr. Bush is a multimillionare who never really had a job so to speak, and if his name were not Bush, and THAT Bush, he would be one of those homeless people with a spray bottle and cloth standing at intersections cleaning the dead insects off of windshields----for change.
cindysheehan July 15th, 2008 2:34 pm
Wish we could vote for you, but all we can do is send a check each month.
Send Pelosi to the showers.
Women should be outraged.
Every time an American woman is appointed to a powerful position - Madeleine Albright, Kathleeen Blanco, Condoleeza Rice, Nanci Pelosi, etc. they turn out to be corrupt, incompetent, or both.
What a shot in the arm for all the men that say "Women can't cut it!".
Thank God people wised up before they elected Hillary!
Where have all the shills gone?
[Transition to understudy mode]
errr...
Don't vote Green/Nader or else McCain will pardon everyone.
I have a question based on my ignorance of 'ex post facto' and 'bills of attainder.' If the law cannot make something a crime retroactively, then how can it do the logical opposite, i.e. repeal a criminal statute retroactively?
Wouldn't that be unconstitutional on its face? I thought the test to be whether it was illegal at the time it was committed. Is this one of those cases where something is illegal but nobody challenges it in court, making it effectively legal in practice?
On the National level, Obama lost me with his last flip, I will be voting for Barr, and trying to remove my sitting Congressman and Senator. You don't get CHANGE by sending the same do nothings back and back and back. The military can refuse to obey an unlawful order, but any resistance by the higher ups has been met with earlier than wanted retirement by our corporatic employees in Washington.
When things like these happen in other countries the citizens take to the streets, strike, shut down the country.
But in America we have orderly, government sanctioned peace marches. We express our outrage on websites and blogs. We call our representatives.
We change channels.
Was there ever really a revolution here or did the business interests in competition with the East India Company just write up a thrilling history after they won their trade war?
Or is it the fact that we are largely descendants of people who decided to immigrate here rather than stay and fight conditions in their home countries?
How have we come to the point where we accept conditions that would have other countries citizens out doing something about them?
Cindy Sheehan,
I would vote for you if I could!!!
But I can help with some grassroots work way over here in Massachusetts.
I would reinforce RichM's point about the American Revolution being protracted in popular support. Howard Zinn accurately, astutely and articulately discusses this in his book "A People's History of the United States"
Face it, the criminals are in charge. The Government is here to help (themselves). Democracy only works for those who can afford to buy the criminals. The criminals, Bush, Cheney, Harmon, Pelosi, and Feinstein are invested in Military Companies. Our honorable military officers retire then work for defense companies to further defraud the people out of money. The books are cooked out of existence and as long as the pay checks roll the bureaucracy supports it. There are not enough courageous and honest people left in America to face this corrupt monster down. In fact ordinary people are so corrupt that it seems normal to them. There is nothing left to challenge it, spare Mother Nature, and she IS doing her job. It does not appear to me that mankind has earned the right to continue living. Make your peace.
The image that goes through my mind about all of this is a horrible film repeatedly stuck in "rewind" and "play" mode about Bush Co. hijacking the White House and country with the help of the Congress. Unfortunately it is real, horrifying, and far less entertaining than the Hollywood film "Ocean's 11"
The hell with the telecommunications civil suits!! Breaking the FISA law is a federal felony. Why don't people emphasize that Bush should be prosecuted?
Your list of women traitors is extensive, but doesn't include Cynthia McKinney, who, like Frank Church, was targeted after she questioned Rumsfield about the missing Pentagon trillions, asked what the administration knew about 9-11, and supported impeachment of Bush.
The Democrats teamed with the Republicans to throw her out of Congress in 2002. She fought her way back in 2004, only to be targeted again.
Cynthia McKinney learned that the Dems and Repubs are not to be trusted. She's now running for US President on the Green Party ticket. Anyone who votes for Obama when you have the clear choice of a true progressive deserves the destroyed environment and economy that you will get. Unfortunately, I'm right here in this country too, so I'm doing everything I can to get her on the ballot and elected.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mckinney-s-acceptance-speech-green-party-nomination
And why hasn't Common Dreams printed her speech?
Lorax-
Gender has nothing to do with any of this insanity - though I do get your point.
In regards to the Military Commissions Act AND the "new" F.I.S.A. Bill that "grant retroactive immunity for past criminal activity by Congress and the Whitehouse:
Acticle I,SS9 U.S. Constitution: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.
Ex post facto basically means after the fact. Wouldn't this make the laws retroactivley immunizing the preznit and congresss critters after they already committed the crimes invalid?
Yes, San Francisco. Mordechai Shiblikov, you are right, again. The money Pelosi brings into "The City" is big. And if (when) the economy collapses, the "Citians" will probably not be bothered too much and go ahead and forgive her. So, San Francisco, your liberal reputation is on the line. Are you traditional, liberal democrats, or just the corporate type that our country can be sorry for. Good luck Cindy.
When our Executive Branch and much of our Congress are war criminals or complicit in condoning/encouraging war crimes, what kind of government do we have? What kind of country?
The election of one member of one of these two war crimes parties, both part of the Corporate/War Party, will not change much.
The coming economic meltdown will only give these criminal thugs in suits more of an excuse for imposing martial law. "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
Ever hear of the Boston Tea Party?
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Do you actually know what that was about?
No one takes the time to understand history.
I talked about this the other day, Article.I.Section.9.,Clause 3 in reference to :Shawn @ 3:36 pm, ex post facto Laws are Laws that are LEGAL then made ILLEGAL, so it is not applicable in the FISA with retroactive immunity, this took perfectly fine Law that upheld the Fouth Amendment, rewrote it and said although we are JO's and MFER's that are complicit this Law is the new LEGAL Law, albeit a redaction of our Fourth Amendment and allowing the Department of Whichever to Whenever they feel the mood to search us, kick our door in at 3 am and say , "We just wanna do it, 'cos we felt like it.", and my phone and emails can now ?legally? be tapped and trapped because I have a home in Turkey and my daughter and her Dad are there for @ 7 weeks and although technically Asia Minor, everyone thinks they're Arabs in the ME, We phone back and forth alot. This is under Title VII, 'Sec.703 and 'Sec.704.
We knew about Pelosi witnessing Torture already, I think it was this site that had that story. "The House chuse their Speaker...", so the complicit pigs have the Right to remove HER!!!!