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US Terrorism Watch List Tops 1 Million
WASHINGTON - A U.S. watch list of terrorism suspects has passed 1 million records, corresponding to about 400,000 people, and a leading civil rights group said on Monday the number was far too high to be effective.
The Bush administration disagreed and called the list one of the most effective tools implemented after the September 11 hijacked plane attacks -- when a federal "no-fly" list contained just 16 people considered threats to aviation.
The American Civil Liberties Union publicized the 1 million milestone with a news conference and release.
It said the watch list was an impediment to millions of travellers and called for changes, including tightening criteria for adding names, giving travellers a right to challenge their inclusion and improving procedures for taking wrongly included names off the list.
"America's new million-record watch list is a perfect symbol for what's wrong with this administration's approach to security: it's unfair, out-of-control, a waste of resources (and) treats the rights of the innocent as an afterthought," ACLU technology director Barry Steinhardt said in a release.
President George W. Bush ordered in the current list in September 2003 as a way to wrap several growing terrorism watchlists into a single government database compiled and overseen by the FBI, through a Terrorist Screening Center.
Suspected terrorists or people believed to have links to terrorism are included on the list, which can be used by a wide range of government agencies in security screening. About 50,000 individuals are included on the Transportation Security Administration "no-fly" or "selectee" lists that subject them to travel bans, arrest or additional screening.
Critics have pointed to troubles that figures such as U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1960s civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis and singer Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) have had with watch lists as evidence the consolidated database is poorly managed.
The Terrorism Screening Center, which maintains the list, has already put in place several steps to ensure the list is accurate and up-to-date, spokesman Chad Kolton said.
He cited a report last year by the Government Accountability Office that said there was general agreement within the federal government that the watch list had helped to combat terrorism.
"The list is very effective. In fact it's one of the most effective counterterrorism tools that our country has," he said.
About 400,000 individuals are included on the list, about 95 percent of whom are not U.S. citizens or residents, Kolton said. The watch list also includes separate entries with aliases, fake passports and fake birth dates, bringing the total number of records to more than 1 million, he said.
TSA spokesman Christopher White said the agency's "no-fly" watchlists to screen travellers were "scrubbed" last year to remove about half of the names, leaving them with somewhat fewer than 50,000.
He said Kennedy and Lewis were never on the list, and that problems they reported were due to their misidentification with names properly on it.
Editing by David Wiessler
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Show AllCan the CD list get a group discount on this watch?
Remember folks, all that is needed to get on the terrorist watch list is to criticize government policy, the conduct of the war, or to support other terrorist organizations like the American Friends Service Committee or the ACLU. I imagine calling Cheney a fucking asshole would do it also.
The truth is out there!
I'm LOL! Special thanks to
Anita Linker, Queenofhearts, Ezeflyer, Truthmonger, and Cromerovich for your funny comments.
AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK!!! OMG!!!
So, there are over ONE MILLION individuals desperate to get inside America and wreak mass destruction.
You have to ask yourself, is this a freak psychiatric disorder affecting 1,000,000 individuals, or has the U.S. done something so terrible to other nations that numerous individuals from those nations want to get back at America?
There is only one other, RATIONAL explanation: McCarthyism!
QUEENOFHEARTS
well of course cat stevens is on the list - he changed his name to islam. that's highly supsicious.
HONKY
they must have been 'recipes for disaster'..........you'll find plenty of those here.
"The Terrorism Screening Center, which maintains the list, has already put in place several steps to ensure the list is accurate and up-to-date, spokesman Chad Kolton said."
He makes a list,
He checks it twice,
He always knows who is naughty or nice,
Trust him, he knows what is best for you, just like Santa. Does he wear black boots too?
"The list is very effective. In fact it's one of the most effective counterterrorism tools that our country has," he said.
I can just imagine this guy in a brown shirt and black boots. Well, what did you expect the little fascist to say? If you spend several billion a year on the business of inventing "terrorists" you definitely will find terrorists to put on secret lists.
You can bet that if the same money was put into finding little green Martians or Santa and his elves, we would have a list of suspects there too.
Hitler's SS ran a country on secret lists too. Don't believe for a moment you are not in the same place, because you absolutely are.
Land of the free and home of the brave! You're joking, right? Is it not a shame that with all these resources no one is permitted to honestly investigate 9-11, independently and without hindrance, to get to the truth, yet you have this abortion of civil rights in stead? Plus torture, spying, and suspension of Habeas Corpus. The burning of the Reichstag was a good excuse too, to much the same ends.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7507216.stm
You are right to find some aspects of the current efforts laughable, but you ain't seen nuthin yet, folks.
Keep in mind that civil unrest and popular revolt (remote as those possibilities may be within the USA itself) have now replaced the defunct USSR as the top-level threat to the capitalist establishment's peace of mind and imperial ambitions.
It would surprise me greatly if they're not keeping a very close and envious eye on the suppression systems that China has developed quite successfully for dealing with their populace with the assistance of U.S. defense contractors.
Lucitanian: Well said! This administration and many in Congress admired the secretive system of the Third Reich in dealing with "home-grown terrorism." None will admit it, of course, but have voted for, or paid lip-service to anti-American laws starting with the Patriot Act and everything since. The German "superman" had to round up possible enemy combatants and "detain" them in forced-labor camps in order to protect the "Homeland" while figuring out what sort of "solution" would be cost-effective while they were at war,plus trying to spread Hitler's version of peace and prosperity in Europe.
Arvy: Good points.
PEACEMAN
didn't you say some time ago that you were coming to europe? or does this list change your mind?................
The KGB now has a branch office in Amerika!
Okay..SO!...There are now 1,000,000..."BELIGERENTS" on the Watch List..recall the being termed a "BELIGERENT" is the Military Commissions Act...uhhh.."threshold" for.."guilt"...if you are so termed by the "President" at ANY time..not just during Fema or C.O.G..(which is IN USE NOW...oddly..and is not being ADMITTED to by the Executive..congress gets to bak down AGAIN..)and onc termed as such..you have NO RIGHTS..I aint joking..NO RIGHTS...and you take "The Long Flight Over The Water"..YUP!..
Okay..ADD to this..insanity..that with ONE MILLION people and GROWING by 20,000 names a MONTH....AND YET..THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CAR BOMB, AN EXPLOSION, A SNIPER ATTACK, A SERIES OF ROBBERIES (Financing..like in the 60's dude!)A KIDNAPPING, A RANSOM, A TORTURE OF A FEDERAL AGENT, A BREAK IN OF A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, DESTRUCTION OF A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, ATTACK ON GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL, ATTACKS ON CITIZENS FOR POLITICAL REASONS, A CHEMICAL ATTACK, ANOTHER ANTHRAX ATTACK..(since we know this IS possible..AND the person or..PERSONS have not been caught..)NO ANFO BOMBS..NOTHING!..NOR..IN FACT..ANY..."TERRORIST" ACTIVITIES WHATSOEVER..NONE!
Now the Federal Loyalist Army...LOVES to Crow and Crow about this being..the..well.."PROOF" that FASCISM IS WORKING...that their actions are the reasons we are NOT suffering such terrible realities..BULLSHIT!
I like to use FOUR WORDS to "debate" that pathetic lie and ridiculous perspective:
THE WAR ON DRUGS!
They..as in "THEY" the SAME Federal Loyalist Kool-Aid Drinking Assholes..who buy into the 'War On Terror' with such ZEAL..have accomplished NOTHING..in the 'War On Drugs'..NOTHING!..they have had 40 years..25 years with all the tech they have now..MORE people supporting it..an easier "rational"..(drugs are soooo..evil..remember?..cause the Air is so CLEAN..and the Water is so PURE..etc..so they really need to help us make "Healthy Choices"..remember..your in Kool Aid Vision?)and more..'Support' frankly..from the average unwashed masses'
And YET? They STILL have not put even a DENT in the drug use, importation, quality..price..etc..etc..NOT A DENT!..However they have been VERY SUCCESSFUL in putting the first..LARGE..HUGE..den in our RIGHTS...the War On Drugs brought us ASSET FORFIETURE, MANDATORY MINIMUMS, EXCLUSIONARY "ZONES' IN WHICH YOU HAVE EVEN LESS 'RIGHTS' (ever looked at a map of your town, use a compass..or a bowl..whatever..draw as accurately as you can..by block outlie..the "Drug Free Zones" or any "Zone" and then AMAZE yourself and your friends with the stunning reality that these "ZONES" actually INTERSECT and COMBINE to form..in reality..'ZONES of FREEDOM'..the areas where you still have your "rights" suddenly become the narow channels between intersecting circles of "less rights" where you can be searched etc...yes folks..they overlap..like ripples in a pond..you could walk to the store in your neighborhood and never be outside of a 'Drug Free Zone'..AKA a "lowered threshold for search and Probable Cause" etc..)Anyway..sorry..but th DRUG WAR..was the first ENEMY FROM WITHOUT concept..the first FEAR VERYONE..let us..let US..dcide your SOCIAL ISSUES..
The war on drugs is the 1st War On Freedom..and it worked fairly well..now we have Phase 2...the really cary monsters..that only WE can protect yo from..of course you'll have to give up your freedom..cause they hate us for our freedoms..and we hate you for your freedoms too...
Look folks..They search you at the airport..like ANY Saudi Financed outfit could not get itslef the SAME jumbo jet that the narco-traffickers use? duhhh...like a terrorist with a hundred million needs to fly COACH!..Jeezis the American people are so fucking stupid..well..Ol Adlai said.."the people get the kind of government they deserve.." looks like he was right..too bad..
The war on drugs is a failure..the war on terror is a failure...THERE IS NO THREAT..PERIOD! If there WERE a threat...don't you think at least...a..I dunno..TELEPHONE POLE would have been cut down? By NOW?..WHERE IS THIS MILLION MAN ARMY? WHERE IS THE DAMAGE?...THERE IS NO THREAT! it is a LIE!
MILITARIZATION OF SOCIAL POLICY!...that is what is is called Folks...and it is HERE..for example..I mean..WHY..is it...HAS IT...never..NEVER been really discussed in this country..except by Candidate Gravel...that we implement a NTAIONAL..OR FEDERAL BALLOT MEASURE PROCESS?? THIS COULD REVERSE THE REALITY WE SEE NOW..LET THE VOTERS..THE PUBLIC..DECIDE "SOCIAL POLICY" AKA DRUGS ETC...VOTE ON IT..
And all you WOMEN out there..since you cannot get off your asses and get an Equal Rights Amendment passed..to ONCE and fucking for ALL put an end to the ABORTION ISSUE...then how about we VOTE ON IT with a FEDERAL..NATION WIDE BALLOT MEASURE??? CAN YOU DIG IT?
Well, I don't know if I should be posting this, but I figure you lefties could use a laugh.
I always thought this terror list was a great idea, and mocked lefties who opposed it, until the last time (about five months ago) I flew. I'm not going to say what airport, but I was stopped after I checked my bags in at the front counter, before I even got to the security gate. It was two guys and they invited me to come around to a secluded area where they asked a lot of questions about my reasons for flying and ran a wand over me several times. They also asked me some questions about my finances. I'm always a nice guy in public and didn't ream them out for this, and couldn't help but ask why it was they seemed to know who I was and why they pulled me aside. They wouldn't say flat out, but one of them said "You have been identified as someone who we simply need to ask a few mor questions to, mostly for your own safety". I thought this was amusing but it clearly means:
Ariel Sharon is on the terroist watch list! Eat your heart out lefties, how many of YOU made the list????? hahahahah
COCO,
I was in Europe over the Christmas season and enjoyed it tremendously. The average European knows more of what's going on in the US than the average American does. I had some lively conversations and may go back later this year. The list doesn't scare me. What scares me is the "willful ignorance" of the American people and their lack of concern about the last eight years, starting with the 2000 election. Too many are still docile and go along with the program.
"Did you see that? That guy just cut me off! Run his plates and put him on the list!"
This is likely the level of thought that goes into maintaining the "terror" watch list. This is what happens when one puts paranoid pussies in positions of power.
I like JCRUMB's writing style :)
You mentioned the "War" on drugs, JCRUMB. I recommend "The Fix (Under the Nixon Administration, America Had an Effective Drug Policy. WE SHOULD RESTORE IT. Nixon Was Right)" by Michael Massing.
The people who devised Nixon's drug policy were experts in treating drug addiction - which meant they took an interest in the problems drug addicts had to overcome - and did NOT vote Republican.
The book is well written. So it's an easy - and fascinating! - read. :)
PEACEMAN
if you do come back, 'mi casa es tu casa'............
Staying, Nixon gets a bad rap because of watergate, but let's not forget he ended Vietnam, started the EPA, opened up peaceful ties to China (not crappy trade policies), and pursed a policy of "dentente" towards the Soviet Union. Compare him with Bush for just a split second, and he seems like Jesus.
COCO,
I'm an "ear-bender" but I'm honored by your offer.
Thanks!
Oooooh. Now I feel much safer.
I haven't gotten on a plane without being forced through special security in years, and I'm not even Black or Islamic, but I still can't worry about this because 1 million is just too many people for them to keep any kind of close eye on. I read, years ago, in "Chatter," that a spy station near Stone Henge as picking up three times the data in the Library of Congress every three hours.