Something tells me we won't be seeing a story on this on any American TV or in American newspapers.
Too negative to the "Jewish" people.
Some people fail to see the difference between the Jewish people and the Israeli Government.
Just as not all Americans should be judged by what their government does.
Neither should all Jewish people, and I don't believe there are many people who do judge all Jewish people by what their government and the settlers do.
Even the majority of Palestinians do not judge all Jewish people by the acts committed against them by the IDF, the Israeli government and the settlers.
Many Palestinians have contact with wonderful, loving helpful Israeli's who not only aid them in their struggles but inspire them.
Jimmy Carter was the first American to use the forbidden word apartheid to describe what is going on in the Palestinian territories. He was Demonized for telling the truth. If this report came to light it would be much more difficult for the Israeli's and the American government to deny, since these are the folks who lived through something we accepted as apartheid, calling what is occurring in the Palestinian territories apartheid.

If anyone can speak to oppression, it's these South Africans who lived through their own version.

It's unfortunate that even the delegates feel compelled to shilly-shally and tiptoe around the actual term "apartheid", only because it's a "fighting word" to Zionists and their allies, who have replaced conscience with cognitive dissonance.

I cringe at the specious criteria implied, which is that the treatment of the Palestinians isn't "really" apartheid unless it EXACTLY mimics the laws and customs in South Africa during the apartheid era. It's not "helpful" to call it apartheid only because it puts the perpetrators' collective back up.

I suppose that a human rights mission must show diplomatic deference to their hosts, but it's exasperating nonetheless.

Perhaps in their final report they could have said, "Well, if it's not EXACTLY 'apartheid', it's DEFINITELY 'apartheidISH'" and left it at that.

We need a one world government with that lady as president.

Bastille Day July 14

"We announce to the world the true principles of our actions. We wish an order of things where all low and cruel passions are enchained by the laws; all beneficent and generous feelings awakened; where distinctions arise only from equality itself; where the citizen is subject to the magistrate; the magistrate to the people, the people to justice. Where industry is an adornment to the liberty that ennobles it and commerce the source of public wealth, not simply of monstrous riches for a few families. We wish to substitute in our country morality for egoism, probity for a mere sense of honor, principle for habit, duty for etiquette, the empire of reason for the tyranny of custom, contempt for vice for contempt for misfortune; the grandeur of man for the triviality of grand society. We wish, in a word, to fulfill the course of nature, to absolve providence from the long reign of tyranny and crime."

Maximilien Robespierre

L I T T L E _ B R O T H E R,

You've got a great IDEA, but the pronunciation is a little off.
The proper sounding is close to
____ A P A R T _ H A T E ____

"a·part·heid __əˈpɑrtheɪt, -haɪt/ [uh-pahrt-heyt, -hahyt]
1. (in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid policy of segregation of the nonwhite population.
2. any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.

hate /heɪt/to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

—Synonyms 1. loathe, execrate; despise. Hate, abhor, detest, abominate imply feeling intense dislike or aversion toward something. Hate, the simple and general word, suggests passionate dislike and a feeling of enmity: to hate autocracy. Abhor expresses a deep-rooted horror and a sense of repugnance or complete rejection: to abhor cruelty; Nature abhors a vacuum. Detest implies intense, even vehement, dislike and antipathy, besides a sense of disdain: to detest a combination of ignorance and arrogance. Abominate expresses a strong feeling of disgust and repulsion toward something thought of as unworthy, unlucky, or the like: to abominate treachery. "

What could be closer to the current partitioning of Palestinians & Israelis, then keep A P A R T _ H A T E

Its not 'like' Apartheid'...it IS Apartheid. Where it differs from SA's version, is SA didnt bomb villages with helicopter gun ships.

The -heid suffix of the word means, in Afrikaans, -ness; so Apartheid is apart-ness, or separateness, the quality of being apart -- separate development. Semantically uncharged.

The reality was, of course, that it meant 'we are the masters and have everything, and you can do as you are told'. Not quite slavery, but it might as well have been.

So in strict linguistic sense, unless you are terminally stupid, I cannot see how anyone can take a look at the walls, or the checkpoint system, and deny that that is what there is. So it is quite correct to use the word.

In the fuller sense, of the sense of misery and injustice it brought, you would have to be blind and deaf to not see the similarities.

It is apartheid. If the Israeli government doesn't like it, the power is their hands to do something about it.

It is actually "worse than Apartheid". As Ronnie Kasrils, the South African minister and former anti-Apartheid activist, who is himself of Jewish origin, wrote two years ago after Israel caused more than 1,000 deaths in Lebanon:

Like [Joostein] Gaarder, we must call baby killers "baby killers" and declare that those using methods reminiscent of the Nazis be told that they are behaving like Nazis. May Israelis wake up and see reason, as happened in South Africa, and negotiate peace. And finally, yes, let us learn from what helped open white South African eyes: the combination of a just struggle reinforced by international solidarity utilising the weapons of boycott and sanctions.

This is why I can not understand Obamas blind support for Israel, given his identity as an African American. Besides the aparatheid of the Palestinians, which he should identify with, Israel was the main supporters of South Africa's apartheid regime and gave them nuclear weapons technology.

Funny how the only real news comes from London. Think about it.

The point of calling things by their name is an important one because, as the neo-cons have proved in the past (and still are proving to the ignorant masses, although they might be struggling against grim reality a bit now), interpretation not only shapes reality, to a large extent it is reality.

So the Israeli JUNTA, if they find that the Apartheid association offends them, perhaps they should think up a new term. I know, how about 'the final solution'? Or perhaps 'genocide'?

If it is not apartheid, then it can only be either ethnic cleansing or genocide. There are no other choices.

Its not apartheid, ethnic cleansing, or genocide. Using any of those terms to describe putting up a wall to keep murderers out of your country is disgusting, and an insult to real victims.

You lefties are idiots, and will believe anything as long as someone with a darker skin tone said it. Its "cool" to say "israel is an apartheid state", which is the only reason these south african idiots said it, after a short tour of the west bank. How, on a tour guided by the palestinian authority, could they determine such a thing?

Where on earth is the apartheid? Where is the genocide? These words have no meaning when you idiots use them. And why so quick to always support arabs?

And why, furthermore, is there no mention of the TRUE apartheid, the fact that jewish israelis cannot live freely on the west bank or in gaza, while palestinians are allowed to live in israel.

And in all the nonsense you guys have spouted, none of you even mentions the reason for israels policies you attack, namely palestinian terrorism. Before that wall, palestinians were free to carry out suicide bombings, which they did on a regular basis in 2001-2002. Of course none of you have a word to say about that.

And you claim to be for "human rights"???

aerial sharon..You spend too many of your days at a high altitude.It affects your judgement. You cant see an apartheid/genocide,even when youve given the orders to it.

'Where on earth is the apartheid?'

strange, aerial, when you backed SAs apartheid and said to them: 'we can improve on yours'..AND so you have. Helicopter gun ships against palestinian villages is something SA never thought of.

The apartheid is right under your little pink nose, Aerial.

Where is the apartheid??????

Helicopter gunships are not used against "palestinian villages", they are used against palestinian terrorists who use powerful explosives against israeli civilians.

What about that? Are the palestinians "worse" then the south africans as well?

Try reading this:

"a·part·heid __əˈpɑrtheɪt, -haɪt/ [uh-pahrt-heyt, -hahyt]
1. (in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid policy of segregation of the nonwhite population.
2. any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.

Veracity, people arn't being separated by race or caste. They are being separated by nationality. There's nothing wrong with that when one nationality is trying to kill the other.

Now, before we get the anti-Semites piping in with their version of events, which leaves no room for discussion:

I studied the contexts and language of the Genocide Convention, the Apartheid Convention and the Racism Convention.

The Genocide Convention refers to a situation where someone is trying to wipe out a minority, or a significant portion of a minority. It includes situations such as the Tsarist regime forcibly taking Jewish boys to forcibly convert them through military service and the similar Stolen Generation of Australia, as well as ethnic cleansing and mass murder.

The Racism Convention covers the existence of racist policies by a metropolitan state - and if you don't know what a "metropolitan state" is, it's a self-governing state with a significant portion of the population in cities. Eg, the US, the UK, the Fifth Republic of France, the Federative Republic of Russia, etc.

The context of the Apartheid Convention is that of a recently-colonized state, that is intent on preserving the rights and privileges of the colonizing population, at a significant cost to the colonized population.

The Apartheid Convention also provides the commonly-accepted definition of Apartheid.

With a public definition of Apartheid, Israel's (and people like this Ariel_Sharon's) problem is transformed from making vague statements, to explaining why this sort of behaviour was wrong (and abusive) for Russian Jews under the Tsar, and is right (and non-abusive) for Palestinians under the "enlightened" rule of the "only democracy in the Middle East":

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/11.htm
International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid

"Article II
"For the purpose of the present Convention, the term "the crime of apartheid", which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:
(a) Denial to a member or members of a racial group or groups of the right to life and liberty of person:
(i) By murder of members of a racial group or groups;
(ii) By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment;
(iii) By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups;
(b) Deliberate imposition on a racial group or groups of living conditions calculated to cause its or their physical destruction in whole or in part;
(c) Any legislative measures and other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and the deliberate creation of conditions preventing the full development of such a group or groups, in particular by denying to members of a racial group or groups basic human rights and freedoms, including the right to work, the right to form recognized trade unions, the right to education, the right to leave and to return to their country, the right to a nationality, the right to freedom of movement and residence, the right to freedom of opinion and expression, and the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association;

d) Any measures including legislative measures, designed to divide the population along racial lines by the creation of separate reserves and ghettos for the members of a racial group or groups, the prohibition of mixed marriages among members of various racial groups, the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof;"

Ariel_Sharon, you can check the validity of the term Apartheid used to describe Israel's policy towards the Palestinians, by comparing the settled policies of Israel towards the Palestinians, with the above definition. You might like to start with the effect massive deployment of IDF checkpoints has on the following Human Rights:

the right to work
the right to education
the right to freedom of movement and residence
the right to freedom of opinion and expression
the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association

For "the expropriation of landed property belonging to a racial group or groups or to members thereof", see Bil'in.

I could go on.

Peaceseeper67: Literally of course you are right that not all Jews are complicit in the crimes against humanity Israel commits daily (for 60 years now in Israel, and 40 years in Occupied Palestine), but proportionally enough US Jews are complicit to make it realistic to argue that "the US Jewish Community as a whole" has played a huge role in the on-going destruction of Palestine and its people. Not only by its political muscle (AIPAC), but also grass-roots such as the tens of millions of dollars contributed to the Jewish National Fund at thousands of synagogue fund-raisers over decades. Most of this money either directly finances war crime settlements in Occupied Palestine or confiscation of Palestinian land in Israel proper. A small example which illustrates the disingenuity of the Jewish Community's dark plan to eliminate Arabs: the trees that the JNC touts its "innocent" donors are planting, are planted on Arab village sites "cleansed" in the Nakba, by which planting Israeli law holds the sites are "under Jewish development" and therefore their confiscation as forever "Jewish only" is complete. The US Jewish Community at-large is the primary contributor to this racist anti-Arab program. It makes all Muslim charities look small-time. Do we whitewash all Jews because a minority are not complicit in Israel's crimes? Now, you tell me how I can tell a complicit Jew from a humane Jew in this scenario.

"Ariel" is like one of those perplexed and indignant villagers living near the camps-- yes, yes, he smelled the smoke, and saw it rising day and night-- but he didn't know what it was!

The camp? It was to put the poor and idle to work, no? Maybe they kept criminals there, too-- what's wrong with that? Shiftless people that break the law are bad for public Order, everybody knows that. Maybe a few don't cooperate, or try to escape. They get what's coming to them, maybe.

That's all it was.

What on EARTH are you freaks talking about?

Dura, your comparing czarist russia's program of forceably converting jews with something israel is doing? Where are they forceably converting muslims????

Little, camps, as in, death camps??? Where are these?

Eye, despite the fact that you get the conflict all wrong, you are right in that the vast majority of jews will never go along with your idiotic rhetoric and will continue to support israel, which we have every right to do.

And why NO comments about arab violence directed at israeli civilians?? Did that part of my post slip your notice?
You guys prove your points wrong with these obviously idiotic and false comparisons. There's no need to respond to everything you say when your comments are based on these sorts of analogies.

Dura, why don't we instead start with the effects that palestinian suicide bombings has on israel human rights, shall we?

Its because of that violence that the wall and checkpoints are there, and unless that violence ends then israeli security measures will never end.

Imperialistic Zionist aggressors --lock up native populations -- while steeling more land,
torturing returning honored press,
denying basic humanitarian needs, … and don't understand why they confront aggression
to the continued annihilation of Palestinians. The world reacts with amazement, attempting to comprehend just what the Zionist's might be thinking …

Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King

Veracity, they do what? Lock up "native populations"? By your logic then, it would be wrong to arrest a murderer, if he lived in the town where he murdered someone! Good reasoning there.

The palestinians are treated the way they are because of their violence and aggression towards israel. Their behavior predates israels, it fact, it predates israel itself. Look up the Hebron massacre of 1929.

And where do you get off quoting Dr. King? He was a supporter of israel. Its also a lie to call yourself non-violent, when you support arabs.

That's absurd.

ariel_sharon,

It's quite unbelievable for you to seriously compare ALL of the Palestinians, AS IF they each were EACH, as you say being punished "to arrest a murderer … Palestinians are treated the way they are because of their violence and aggression towards israel."

Collective punishment is famously successful, NOT !

Collective punishment is so fair and decent, NOT !

Actually it's a ___ W A R __ C R I M E ___

How sad, that the international world COMMUNITY is YET incapable of returning equal JUSTICE to the perpetrators of such vile inhumane treatment of innocents.

The ebb and flow of history has not long tolerated such obscene treatment, although many guilty do somehow appear to escape justice -- but their hearts and souls are murdered -- just as they've profited upon the backs and lives of other's suffering.

Have you ever encountered the CONCEPT of Innocent,

until _ p r o v e n _ GUILTY ?

Wasn't "THE" holocaust about massive "criminal" and final judgments against a whole race ?

What a sad life, to believe so strongly in mighty whitey being
_ r i g h t y _It is disgusting, shameful, and sad to have to "share" this planet with people who turn HUMAN BEINGS into mere objects of inconvenience, ridicule, and scorn.

Your fate is as you make it, and it is far from "the promised land"

MLK, would show more patience and humility, than I'm now capable ofbut you're completely mistaken if you somehow have twisted his "I have a dream some day …" to include anything as vigorously evil as the current treatment of Palestinians

|____ J U S T I C E __ I S , ___ A S ____|

|____ J U S T I C E ___ D _ O _ E _ S ___|

Perhaps you do paint the entire Muslim community, as if they're all "criminally" intent on destroying your pitiful world, but that in no manner affords you any right to exterminate a single one, for once you do, the value of your own lives are essentially forfeited.

Have you ever actually read any history ?

Veracity, israel does not have a choice with the collective punishment, since palestinian terrorists make no efforts to distinguish themselves from the general population, which largely supports them.

The holocaust was about Hitler saying jews were "subhuman" and taking over the world. You guys on commondreams say some of the same things he did regarding jews, so bringing up the holocaust is nonsense. I do not say arabs are "subhuman", I say that they have a culture which promotes violence against non-arabs and that a lot of this violence is directed against israel. Israel has every right to take reasonable defensive measures.

MLK supported israel, that's history. I don't know what kind of nonsense you have been reading.

'Where is the apartheid??????

Helicopter gunships are not used against "palestinian villages", they are used against palestinian terrorists who use powerful explosives against israeli civilians.

What about that? Are the palestinians "worse" then the south africans as well?
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What about what?
No aerial, they bare used indiscriminately againt palestinian villages...Deny it all you like. Like the rats the zionists are, they desert the sinking ship of SA when its apartheid regime crumbled.

IOF also attacks ambulances...this iw where the Evil Empire(aka US)got the idea from:

'Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territories: Don't Fire on Gaza Medics
Six Attacks on Palestinian Ambulances, Paramedics
(New York, September 13, 2006) – Israeli security forces launched attacks that harmed Palestinian medical emergency personnel and damaged ambulances on at least six different occasions in the Gaza Strip between May 30 and July 20, Human Rights Watch said today. Human Rights Watch called on the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to ensure that its troops scrupulously respect the protected status of medical emergency personnel and facilities at all times as it conducts military operations in the Gaza Strip.

Five of the incidents occurred during Israel's military operations in Gaza that began on June 28, and three of them during the IDF military operation around the Maghazi Refugee Camp that began on July 18. In all of the incidents, the emergency medical personnel said they were responding to Palestinian casualties caused by earlier military activity but had waited for IDF shooting or shelling to stop before attempting to recover casualties. Four of the incidents occurred in daylight hours, and two of them in open areas. In at least two cases, the attack came from unmanned surveillance drone aircraft used by the Israeli Air Force to target wanted persons and armed individuals, and capable of precision targeting.

"Attacks against clearly identified medical providers are an extremely serious matter," said Joe Stork, deputy director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch. "Israel should conduct an impartial and transparent investigation of these incidents to determine why medical personnel were endangered, and it should remind its forces that attacks against medical and religious personnel and objects displaying the emblems of the Geneva Conventions are prohibited."

etc
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/fd807e46661e3689852570d00069e918/088e7c424b63cc19852571ea00536864!OpenDocument

To say "you" have no choice, is to say that you are non-human, and just like a machine. I guess that's consistent with the way you treat other people, as if they were also just things.

Which infers that "you" have absolutely no human rights …

Yes -- perhaps 40 years ago MLK "supported" Israel, before he was murdered by agents of the US gov't, and people such as you support.

You are BEING absurd to attempt to paint anything that Israel does in today's real world, as having EVER been granted MLK's approval -- talk about putting words in someones' mouth !

Have you forgotten what Desmond Tutu says TODAY about your pathetic criminal enterprises ?

'The palestinians are treated the way they are because of their violence and aggression towards israel. Their behavior predates israels, it fact, it predates israel itself. Look up the Hebron massacre of 1929.
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the violence and aggression begin way back in the founding idea of Zionist israel:

'In 1895, Herzl, the founder of Zionism, wrote in his diary:

"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back." (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49, Righteous Victims, p. 21-22)

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story643.html

From that day on, it was theft and terror to secure the land of palestine for the jews only 'state' of Israel.

'And why NO comments about arab violence directed at israeli civilians?? Did that part of my post slip your notice?'

Aerial: arab violence against israel citizens follows jewish violence against arab citizens. cause and effect...

Consider the Gaza beach massacre:

'JERUSALEM (CNN) -- An Israeli navy gunboat fired shells onto a northern Gaza beach Friday, killing at least seven people and prompting the military wing of Hamas to call off a 16-month-old cease-fire with Israel.'
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/09/mideast/

This is how the zionist entity works: When there is peace, orchestrate a massacre, then deny it.

Brian, Hertzel was long dead before israel was founded, and his ideas were not used in its founding. He may have been racist, but this doesn't mean israel is.

And you miss the cause and effect. Why did that gunboat fire in the first place and what was it firing at? That family?

You know that's not true. The arabs have been attacking israel since its inception, there has been no break whatsoever in the anti israeli violence from the arab world, so how can you arbitrarily take one incident and claim its the first cause?

More atrocities by the worlds leading terrorist organisation:

'Israelis Blocking Medical Care in Gaza
By Tim McGirk/Erez

The Erez Crossing looks like the empty set of a sci-fi film, an alien spaceship that crashed into a field of rubble. This gleaming metal structure is the sole entry and exit point for human traffic between Israel and Gaza, a territory of 1.5 million Palestinians held by Hamas Islamic militants. Erez was built in more optimistic times, when it was envisioned that every day 30,000 Palestinian laborers, merchants and students would be flowing in and out of Israel.

Today, Erez operates in a political twilight zone. Hamas and Israel seek each other's destruction, and the devastated landscape of blasted-out buildings and shell craters around Erez bears the scars of this conflict. As one Erez security official says: "We're the last line of defense against the suicide bomber coming into Israel."

For the Palestinians, Erez is a chokepoint where only a lucky few can exit from Gaza, usually for medical emergencies. Bassam al-Wahedi, 26, a tall, soft-spoken journalist, was one of them. He had gone blind in one eye because of a retinal illness, and surgery at a Jerusalem hospital was his only hope of regaining sight in that eye. Since Gaza is denied all but basic humanitarian needs under an international boycott of Hamas, many complicated surgeries are no longer done there.

His eye bandaged, al-Wahedi set off through the innards of Erez's security maze. He fumbled along tunnels, steel doors that opened and slammed as he passed along, entered a strange cylinder that fired a whoosh of air at him before he finally reached a large hall with an Israeli soldier sitting inside a bulletproof glass booth. Al-Wahedi showed his permit, explaining that he was due in surgery at 3:30 pm that afternoon.

Next, says al Wahedi, three plainclothed Israelis with pistols and walkie-talkies led him past cages with growling dogs to a room where he was strip searched and interrogated by a man who identified himself as a captain in Shin Bet, the Israeli domestic intelligence agency. Al-Wahedi claims that his interrogator told him in fluent Arabic: "We want you to work for us." When al-Wahedi protested, saying he had nothing to do with the militants, the Shin Bet officer allegedly replied: "We issue the [medical] permits and we can cancel them. If you don't get operated on, you'll lose your sight. What good will you be?"

"I told him that we would talk after my operation, when I crossed back through Erez," recounts al-Wahedi. Nothing doing, replied the intelligence officer, who, according to al-Wahedi, handed him an Israeli cellphone SIM card and a phone number. "He wanted me to go back to Gaza and collaborate with them for two weeks, and if they liked what I did, I could come to Israel and have my eye operation with the best doctor in Tel Aviv."

For al-Wahedi, contact with any Israeli had always been traumatic. He says that his father, an ambulance driver, was clearing away wounded Palestinians after a battle when he was shot dead by an Israeli sniper. And his 16-year-old brother was killed by a stray piece of shrapnel from an Israeli rocket attack on a passing car driven by a suspected militant.

And so, at Erez, al-Wahedi says he tore up Shin Bet's phone number. "I was angry and frustrated. I knew that if I didn't have surgery immediately, even the best surgeon couldn't fix my eye," he claims. Contacted by TIME, Shin Bet denied approaching al-Wahedi to collaborate and say that he was turned back at Erez because of his involvement in "activities dangerous to the state."

Nevertheless, the Israeli group Physicians for Human Rights alleges that since last June — when Hamas took control of Gaza from its Fatah rivals loyal to President Mahmoud Abbas — at least 30 other patients seeking urgent medical help were denied passage by Shin Bet because they refused to act as informers. In the past, most collaborators worked from within Fatah, and when they were chased from Gaza last June, it was a blow to Israeli intelligence.

Yassir Abu Aayya, 37, suffering from heart troubles, told TIME he was turned back after refusing to reveal the whereabouts of his militant brother. "They told me I should go back and die in Gaza," he says. If these accounts are true, say human rights activists, the withholding of medical care for non-medical reasons is a form of torture. "This violates all conventions against torture," says Miri Weingarten, spokeswoman for the Tel Aviv-based Physicians for Human Rights. Israeli authorities deny carrying out such practices at Erez and dismiss them as Palestinian propaganda.

Last November, the Physicians for Human Rights petitioned the Israeli High Court to rule on Shin Bet's "coercion" of Palestinians seeking medical care, but in January the court closed the file without a ruling. "What we're seeing is that the High Court is willing to intervene less and less in security cases," says Weingarten, who explained that was why the court had refused to rule on their petition. Shin Bet refused to comment on the case.

Israel argues that it is no longer the occupying power in Gaza and therefore no longer has responsibility for the Palestinians living there. But many international agencies say that since Israel controls all land, air and sea access to Gaza, it cannot shirk its responsibility to Palestinians trapped inside, nor can it deny Palestinians the right to urgent medical care if they refuse to become Israeli collaborators.With reporting by Aaron J. Klein/Erez

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1725422,00.html

'Brian, Hertzel was long dead before israel was founded, and his ideas were not used in its founding. He may have been racist, but this doesn't mean israel is.
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Aerial, Israel has followed Herzel and outdone him in atrocities. Even he would be embarrassed by the zionist entities pogrom against the native palestinians, which would be familiar to what the european jews had experienced.

'And you miss the cause and effect. Why did that gunboat fire in the first place and what was it firing at? That family?'

Typical questions aimed at sinking unpleasant facts. That they fired is all we need to know. But given there was a cease fire in place, its clear its goal was to end it.
'

Briant, pogrom? You mean like the tens of thousands of palestinians living freely in israel right now? When does their pogrom begin? Israel has consistently defended itself against palestinian aggression, in a way much weaker then any other country in the world would have done so.

lol, that they fired is all weneed to know? Right,m so if palestinians were about to murder israel, and the israelis fired at them, then automatically the israel are wrong?

You still miss the cause and effect.

'You mean like the tens of thousands of palestinians living freely in israel right now? '

no i mean the tens of thousands of palestinians killed or driven out(the ongoing al_Nakba), with the remained living in squalid concentration camps like Gaza.

'When does their pogrom begin?'

it began when Herzel dreamt up his idea of Zionism.

Brian, tens of thousands of palestinians killed? When did this happen?

This is a silly convo, full of nothing but hyperbole. The fact that you and the other lefties constantly refuse to even MENTION palestinian violence, much less look at it in the way you do israeli violence, proves where you are coming from.

You still seem to miss the cause and effect. Kill jews, and these days we kill back.

al-nakba.

'The fact that you and the other lefties constantly refuse to even MENTION palestinian violence'

palestinian violence is a consequence of jewish violence. The situation is a warning against immigrants, who enter a country then take it over. Same situation in Kosovo.

No, jewish violence is a consequence of arab violence against jews in the region that has gone on long before there even was a state of israel. The hebron massacre was 1929, the damascus blood libel was 1840! That was even before Hertzl.

Those jews did not "enter a country then take it over". They entered a BRITISH COLONY, part of which was later given to them.

'Those jews did not "enter a country then take it over". They entered a BRITISH COLONY, part of which was later given to them.'

Palestine was given a small part by the brits, who had no right to give it away. BUT somehow,the invders managed to gain control of most of thee country

However, in return for aiding the zionists, the latter showed their thanks by bombing them in one of the most revealing and disgusting egs of terrorism:

'The Outrage

The Bombing of the King David Hotel

On the morning of the 22nd of July 1946 a party of between 15 and 20 Jews, dressed as an Arabs entered the King David Hotel. The hotel housed the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine and Transjordan. The terrorists were able to enter the building without arousing too much attention because part of the building was still being used as a hotel and other people frequented it. The Jews pretended to be an Arab working party. Having unloading from their lorry several milk churns filled with 225 kilogram's of explosive, they placed them in the basement of the wing of the hotel occupied by the Secretariat.

A British officer standing nearby, one Major Mackintosh, became suspicious of this group of Arabs and began to ask questions, but was suddenly gunned down by a member of the Jewish gang and subsequently died. A policeman stationed at the tradesman's entrance suffered a similar fate when he challenged the Jewish terrorists. Both victims were unarmed. A gun battle soon began between the terrorist and guards during which time the Jews ignited the fuse and bolted from the building as the alarm was given. As they ran several were shot and wounded by guards, but most managed to make good their escape. There was no time to evacuate the building and the charge exploded with devastating effect. Many were killed instantly as the whole wing of the building collapsed about them, others were trapped and many more injured.

Rescue work started straight way as soldiers and police began to pull away the rubble in the hope of finding survivors. Members of the Royal Engineers were hurried to the scene with heavy lifting equipment, but they had difficulty reaching the King David Hotel because of Jewish road blocks. The Royal Engineers were stoned and booed as they tried to make their way to the scene of the bombing.

By 1600 hours the sappers were hard at work in the rubble. The task was a race against time, and not until all hope of saving further lives had been abandoned days later, did they relax their efforts. Day and night the rescue operations went on with sappers working like men possessed, for deep in the wreckage could occasionally be heard sounds which urged them on with fresh hope.

At 22:00 hours of that night the sappers were formed into three shifts, and for the next 3 days each shift worked 16 hours on and eight hours off. Even so, some men refused to rest until completely exhausted. It is recorded that one sapper drove his bulldozer for 30 hours with out leaving the wheel until he eventually collapsed exhausted. From the wreckage and rubble the rescuers managed to extract six survivors, The last to be found was D. C. Thompson, 24 hours after the building had collapsed. He appeared to be more or less unhurt. But died the next day due to shock.

Owing to the danger of falling masonry and further subsidence the use of mechanical equipment had to be very limited, until it was considered that no one remained alive beneath the debris. Soon all hope of finding anyone alive faded and the operation to recover the bodies began. 91 bodies were recovered in the following week and 2000 lorry loads of rubble had been removed. The stench which accompanied the work which was carried out in the sweltering heat of midsummer was most unpleasant.

Not all the 91 one people killed were members of the British Security Forces. There were 15 Jews among the dead, including women who had been working as secretaries in the building. The Irgun claimed that the British had been warned about the attack by telephone, but the warning was ignored.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/Kingdavid.htm

Thats how the zionist terrorists treat their friends...we know how they treat their victims.

Notice how the jews disguised themselves as arabs...this should shine a light on 9-11 attacks.

Brian, lol, yes, jews did 9/11.

Thank you for proving your complete fucktardedness.

As for the King David Hotel, yes, the jews attacked the british, AFTER brits refused entry to jews fleeing the holocause, leading to many of them getting killed. I don't know if I support the King David bombing, but since it's 60 years in the past I don't really think you can say it justifies palestinian behavior now. I also wonder how many palestinians have warned their targets about impending terror attacks like suicide bombings? How can you compare the deliberate murder of civilians with an attack on the british administration of british "palestine".

Of course, if you just wanted to say "jews did wtc", then I guess the joke's on me.

"Dura, why don't we instead start with the effects that palestinian suicide bombings has on israel human rights, shall we?"

Ariel_Sharon, do us all a favour and find out WTFH you are talking about before you put your thoughts down, will you?

Human rights are a state's duties in restraint of its powers. I as a private citizen for example, am owned those rights whenever I come into contact with the state. I as a citizen, do not owe the state those rights.

Now is Palestine a state with powers over Israelis? A la Tsarist Russia was a state with powers over the Russian (and Polish) Jews? Or is it the other way around? Is Israel a state with powers over the Palestinians?

If so, which way are the human rights owed?

(I have no problem is stating unequivocally that the 1929 riot in Hevron was a violation of the rights of the Hevron Sephardim - that's because they did not hold the power.) Now the boot is on the other foot, and contrary to your arguments, the Palestinians now don't owe the Israelis human rights, because the Palestinians don't have state powers over the Israelis.

"Dura, your comparing czarist russia's program of forceably converting jews with something israel is doing? Where are they forceably converting muslims????"

I never used that as the point of comparison. If you had bothered to read my post instead of cherry-picking with a nanosecond attention-span, you would have understood that the comparison was with Australia's Stolen Generations, and I was explaining that it was part of the definition of Apartheid. Unless you want me to ask you what you know about the stolen Jewish Yemeni children in Israel, during the 1940s and 50s?
http://www.yementimes.com/99/iss42/report.htm

You come across as terribly confused, Ariel_Sharon. And rather Tsaristly bigoted, into the bargain.

Jeuss dura, you are one sick fuck. All human beings are human beings, and have human rights. It doesn't matter "who has the power". That's a typical leftist way of looking at things that lets you ignore the horrible things arabs do while maniacally focusing on everything israel does.

Morality does not depend on whether or not you are part of a "state". A terrorist has the same moral duty as a soldier in an army. Obviously, morality isn't your strong point, but come the fuck on. When arabs murder people, its still murder. Israel has every right to respond to murder.

Did you read your own article dura? It clearly says many jews in yemen have been forced to convert to islam.

Furthermore, claiming these people were "kidnapped" is an utterly despicable lie. They escaped muslim persecution in yemen, and lucky for them.

Why is it that you lefties uncritically believe ANYTHING the arabs say? Are you not capable of realizing they might be biased?

So let me ask you a question dura, since you arn't responding. Do you think its wrong for an arab to murder a jewish israeli?

Do you think its wrong for an arab to rape a jewish israeli?

It seems to me from your previous post that you think these thinigs are ok since arabs do not "owe" jews any rights. Please clarify.

_ A R I E L _ U N - R E A L I E L _

sov·er·eign "
1. a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2. a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3. a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4. a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
–adjective
5. belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6. having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7. supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8. greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9. being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.
10. efficacious; potent: a sovereign remedy."

Even the Israelis have sovereign rights, while holding the reins ( reigns ) of power, but more importantly

ALL HUMANITY have them

EQUAL to ISRAELIs.

It doesn't matter in the least if your pathetic secular world view of ZIONISM denies existence of GOD and inalienable rights -- because the rest of the world DOES.

It doesn't matter if your pathological psychopathy and lack of conscience & shameignores others suffering, and puts any Israeli life AS IF "equivalent" to 400, or 4000 Palestinian lives

There are consequences to ALL actions === it's called responsibility, the ability to respond.

Do you have anything other than more pathetic automatic suffering for all who _ y o u _( insanely )_ v i e w __ as threatening your illegal land grab and atrocious inequities ?

PERHAPS the _ i l l e g i t i m a c y _ of ISRAEL ( as the current state it is, not the lives of Jews, per se ) is eventually catching up with existence issues ?

Why WE bother at all, other than to show the obdurate tenacity of the wrong-minded to be righteously arrogant -- at all costs.

Every bigoted prejudicial and insane word from your mouth, erases a little bit more of the rest of the world's hope and concern for Israel to maintain ANY existence. How much more do you think we have ?

Veracity, read what dura wrote about israelis not having human rights, before you talk to me again.

Tell me I'm the racist, biggotted one?

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Veracity, I have never said the palestinians do not have human rights.

You guys say this about israelis. It was said verbatim right above...