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Pull-out Demand Signals Final Bush Defeat in Iraq
WASHINGTON - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's demand for a timetable for complete U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq, confirmed Tuesday by his national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie, has signaled the almost certain defeat of the George W. Bush administration's aim of establishing a long-term military presence in the country.
The official Iraqi demand for U.S. withdrawal confirms what was becoming increasingly clear in recent months -- that the Iraqi regime has decided to shed its military dependence on the United States.
The two strongly pro-Iranian Shiite factions supporting the regime in Baghdad, the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC) and al-Maliki's own Dawa Party, were under strong pressure from both Iran and their own Shiite population and from Shiite clerics, including Ayatollah Ali Sistani, to demand U.S. withdrawal.
The statement by al-Rubaei came immediately after he had met with Sistani, thus confirming earlier reports that Sistani was opposed to any continuing U.S. military presence.
The Bush administration has had doubts in the past about the loyalties of those two Shiite groups and of the SIIC's Badr Corps paramilitary organisation, and it manoeuvred in 2005 and early 2006 to try to weaken their grip on the interior ministry and the police.
By 2007, however, the administration hoped that it had forged a new level of cooperation with al-Maliki aimed at weakening their common enemy, Moqtada al-Sadr's anti-occupation Mahdi Army. SIIC leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim was invited to the White House in December 2006 and met with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in November 2007.
The degree of cooperation with the al-Maliki regime against the Sadrists was so close that the Bush administration even accepted for a brief period in late 2007 the al-Maliki regime's argument that Iran was restraining the Mahdi Army by pressing Sadr to issue his August 2007 ceasefire order.
In November, Bush and al-Maliki agreed on a set of principles as the basis for negotiating agreements on stationing of U.S. forces and bilateral cooperation, including a U.S. guarantee of Iraq's security and territorial integrity. In February 2008, U.S. and Iraqi military planners were already preparing for a U.S.-British-Iraqi military operation later in the summer to squeeze the Sadrists out of Basra.
But after the U.S. draft agreement of Mar. 7 was given to the Iraqi government, the attitude of the al-Maliki government toward the U.S. military presence began to shift dramatically, just as Iran was playing a more overt role in brokering ceasefire agreements between the two warring Shiite factions.
The first indication was al-Maliki's refusal to go along with the Basra plan and his sudden decision to take over Basra immediately without U.S. troops. Petraeus later said a company of U.S. army troops was attached to some units as advisers 'just really because we were having a problem figuring where was the front line.'
That al-Maliki decision was followed by an Iranian political mediation of the intra-Shiite fighting in Basra, at the request of a delegation from the two pro-government parties. The result was that Sadr's forces gave up control of the city, even though they were far from having been defeated.
U.S. military officials were privately disgruntled at that development, which effectively cancelled the plan for a much bigger operation against the Sadrists during the summer. Weeks later, a U.S. 'defence official' would tell the New York Times, 'We may have wasted an opportunity in Basra to kill those that needed to be killed.'
In another sign of the shifting Iraqi position away from Washington, in early May, al-Maliki refused to cooperate with a Cheney-Petraeus scheme to embarrass Iran by having the Iraqi government publicly accuse it of arming anti-government Shiites in the South. The prime minister angered U.S. officials by naming a committee to investigate U.S. charges.
Even worse for the Bush administration, a delegation of Shiite officials to Tehran that was supposed to confront Iran over the arms issue instead returned with a new Iranian strategy for dealing with Sadr, according to Alissa J. Rubin of the New York Times: reach a negotiated settlement with him.
The al-Maliki regime began to apply the new Iranian strategy immediately. On May 10, al-Maliki and Sadr reached an accord on Sadr City, where pitched battles were being fought between U.S. troops and the Sadrists.
The new accord prevented a major U.S. escalation of violence against the Mahdi Army stronghold and ended heavy U.S. bombing there. Seven U.S. battalions had been poised to assault Sadr City with tanks and armoured cars in a battle expected to last several weeks.
Under the new pact, Sadr allowed Iraqi troops to patrol in his stronghold, in return for the government's agreement not to arrest any Sadrist troops unless they were found with 'medium and heavy weaponry'.
The new determination to keep U.S. forces out of the intra-Shiite conflict was accompanied by a new tough line in the negotiations with the Bush administration on status of forces and cooperation agreements. In a May 21 briefing for Senate staff, Bush administration officials said Iraq was now demanding 'significant changes to the form of the agreements'.
The al-Maliki regime was rejecting the U.S. demand for access to bases with no time limit as well as for complete freedom to use them without consultation with the Iraqi government, as well as its demand for immunity for its troops and contractors. The Iraqis were asserting that these demands violated Iraqi sovereignty. By early June, Iraqi officials were openly questioning for the first time whether Iraq needs a U.S. military presence at all.
The unexpected Iraqi resistance to the U.S. demands reflected the underlying influence of Iran on the al-Maliki government as well as Sadr's recognition that he could achieve his goal of liberating Iraq from U.S. occupation through political-diplomatic means rather than through military pressures.
Iran put very strong pressure on Iraq to reject the agreement, as soon as it saw the initial U.S. draft. It could cite the fact that the draft would allow the United States to use Iraqi bases to attack Iran, which was known to be a red line in Iran-Iraq relations.
The Iranians could argue that an Iraqi Shiite regime could not depend on the United States, which was committed to a strategy of alliance with Sunni regimes in the region against the Shiite regimes.
Iran was able to exploit a deep vein of Iraqi Shiite suspicion that the U.S. might still try to overthrow the Shiite regime, using former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and some figures in the Iraqi Army. When the U.S. draft dropped an earlier U.S. commitment to defend Iraq against external aggression and pledged only to 'consult' in the event of an external threat, Iran certainly exploited the opening to push al-Maliki to reject the agreement.
The use of military bases in Iraq to project U.S. power into the region to carry out regime change in Iran and elsewhere had been an essential part of the neoconservative plan for invading Iraq from the beginning.
The Bush administration raised the objective of a long-term military presence in Iraq based on the 'Korea model' last year at the height of the U.S. celebration of the pacification of the Sunni stronghold of Anbar province, which it viewed as sealing its victory in the war.
But the Iraqi demand for withdrawal makes it clear that the Bush administration was not really in control of events in Iraq, and that Shiite political opposition and Iranian diplomacy could trump U.S. military power.
*Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specialising in U.S. national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, 'Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam', was published in 2006.
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show AllMaybe the Iraqi government should come to the US and be the official opposition to Bush. Sad that a government under military occupation is braver with more integrity than the democrats.
Mr. Maliki's patriotism is questionable. He wasn't wearing an American flag lapel pin!
Just who is going to believe that the U.S. will pull out of Iraq? Very few.
Gareth Porter's idea that Iraqi demand for withdrawal makes it clear that the Bush administration is not in control and could be trumped is wishfull thinking.
With a some spin and a little tweak of mainstream media the story could change. Perhaps a 'divide and rule' within the Iraqi administration who knows.
The real indicator that U.S. military power is not as powerful as they would like is the fact that they will not let us see any video of the carnage. Another example is the displaced 'free speech zone' proposed for the Democratic National Convention. These examples show that the U.S. administration is still afraid of the people else they wouldn't care.
We still have some power!!
They can probably do what they want in Iraq regardless of that countries policies BUT they still don't have control over GLOBAL OPINION.
Mr. Kent;
Thanks for the laugh!
It's a shame the Iraqi gov't doesn't demand withdrawl before bush's term is up. I'd much rather see the repukes try to argue their way out of that sort of scenerio than the way they'll hound a dem admin for 'losing' Iraq after bush leaves.
Does anyone not understand the meaning of the expression, "Go down in a blaze of glory?" If I'm not mistaken, I believe all other options are "off the table".
(That's not to say that there isn't still a plasterscene replica of Victory that keeps getting placed there on the table...)
Oh the times they are a changin.....
Bush is losin it ...must be the Dems fault...It is always the Dems fault..
Hey Superman, this just came in:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/10/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4248168.shtml
This article has given me the..."Reason" that I have been looking for...as to the "WHY" of an..INSANE...invasion of IRAN...
Invading Iran is like the NAZI'S attacking Russia in the winter...Arrogant...Insanely over confident...it is PURE old school FASCIST menatlity..'We are above the law..we can do anything..Liebensraum...Mit Der "Homeland"...
So..here is the Answer..I believe..
THIS WHOLE IRAN INVASION IS A HEDGE..A SAFETY BET..AGAINST THIS POSSIBLITY..THAT IRAQ WOULD ACTUALLY GROW SOME BALLS AND SAY.."FUCK YOU" TO BEING AN AMERICAN TERRITORY...THIS IS WHY IRAN IS BEING ATTACKED..(remember folks..WE are attacking Iran RIGHT NOW..cover action.."Low Intensity Conflict" etc..)So..AGAIN..Iran becomes the DEFACTO "rational" for staying in Iraq..and even..most likely..ratcheting UP the violence..PUNITIVE damages to the Shiia Factions that have lead the "yankee Go Home!" political victory..and frankly...MILITARY VICTORY..(call it what it is..) over the U.S. of A-sshole's...SO..BushCo..will FUCK em UP! Dude!..lot's of backwards baseball hatted thug-runts killing ..oddly...Shiia civilians...TERROR tactics..."TRY an Kick US out..? Sheeeit! We kill you now..Hasta la Vista..baby!..."
Yeah..That's it alright..IRAN..used as a..'Reason" to stay in Iraq should they decide they do not want us there anymore..YUP!...Otherwise..Attacking Iran..is..SO insane..Even for Der Junior and the choice little criminal conspiracy they have cooked up...ENERGY POLICY IN THE FORM OF A ROBBERY-HOMICIDE..KILL EM..TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE...OOH..LA..LA..THE BUSH DOCTRINE AT WORK!
So..WILL you NOW join in tax Protest if they attack Iran? would THAT be enough for you to grow some BALLS..shit! even Several JOURNALISTS..have sworn to join in tax protest if BushCo attacks Iran..will you? or will you STILL PAY FOR THE INVASION OF IRAN?..FINANCE WWIII?..I THINK MOST OF YOU..HELL..MAYBE ALL OF YOU...WILL..IN FACT..FOOT THE BILL..PICK UP THE CHECK..PAY TWICE..IN DOLLARS..ONCE AT THE PUMP..ONCE IN APRIL...AND THEN PAY AND PAY..AND PAY..SOCIALLY..FOR EVER..AS THE WORLD FALLS APART...FER REALS!
WAKE UP!
So..
Bu$H: "can we still have (y)our oil?"
At last!
Here is the "good news from Iraq" that the corporate media has been clamoring for.
But now that the "good news" has happened, the MSM is strangely silent.
This could also be a ploy by wholly Bush-owned Iraqi quislings to help McCain get elected. If you want to practice being devious you could come up with any number of plausible scenarios concerning exactly how this would work. I just hope it's real. Obama should jump on this right now and make it clear, in no uncertain terms, that if the Iraqis want us to go, we're going. So far, haven't heard a word from him.
It is all very devious isn't it?
Obama strangley silent!!!!
Now your gettin warmer....
Have you lost your touch folks?
Get to work and expose the ploy!
I think Adam West and jcrumb are right on. And even if Iran wasn't in the mix, why would anyone think the demand for us to get out of Iraq would matter in the least to bush and company? When has anything but their agenda ever mattered to them.
excuse me for buttin in but maybe there are some folks on this planet who think that Bush's days are numbered.
Of course now the Bush regime will start covertly arming the Sunnis to pressure Maliki to rethink his delusions of independence and paving the way for a soft coup and the installation of a more pliable puppet goverment and/or strongman.
THE CIA EVEN KNOWS IT!
The title of this write-up is ridiculous. The American genocidal violence in Iraq is still analysed in terms of "victory" and "defeat". It was an aggression on the part of the US and its allies against a non-threatening sovereign country. In this process the criminal regimes of the US, UK, Australia, and other allies have violated all international rules. The writer is trying to fix this genocidal violence in the framework of "legitimate war" between two countries, happily forgetting that it is illegitimate in all accounts.
Iraq is a sovereign country. So the aggressor should retreat to his own country. If his blood-thirst is not quenched, he should continue his genocidal violence in his own country, not in Iraq. Let the Iraqis decide their own destiny.
Thanks Mr. Porter, for saying this is Bush's defeat, and not the U.S. defeat, the name by which he'd like to portray it. You know that he will turn this around and blame the men and women who have tried to hold up single-handedly, the U.S. abroad. By single-handedly, I mean that Bush has not treated them with the respect he owed them, his many platitudes notwithstanding.
Now that our corporations got their oil and have the military bases to protect it, we can pull out. Mission accomplished.
Let's see, Bush handed sovereingty over to Iraqis in June, '04. Of course, we will not continue to occupy a sovereign nation against its will. The vast majority of Iraqi citizens have opposed the occupation for years.
isnt that strange that the iraqi govt. wouldnt want foreign occupiers? infidels? why? what? they dont like seeing our armies in their streets? watz wrong with those raghead sandniggas.
after we took every spare bit of national treasure we had, and used it to pay corporations to build all that empty infrastructure over there? we went to the trouble of ruining and impoverished our country for those peeps. we destroyed our international goodwill, forever flattened international investment in our stock markets, crumbled the doller, raised oil to the stars, dragged simple instincts like "hope" down to hell across the globe, and spent almost no money on our own infrastructure except to promote blackwater type businesses. we have put china before the usa in the worlds eyes just for the spite the world wishes us, and we did it all for iraq, because we love them, because we thought they were good people we could help and we didnt need to spend the billions on usa anyway, BECAUSE WE ARE A COUNTRY OF SELFSACRIFICE...
and now the iraqis want us to leave? what a BETRAYAL!!! man, the world is jus getting crazy. next thing you know the americans will want bush and his cadre of other good people, who dont even stink if you smell them up close, outta america.
Ok, let me get this straight. The US illegally invaded a country and raped it's natural resources and the victim doesn't want to embrace the rapist anymore??? for shame!!
It sure seems like the only polite thing to do is leave. Even if it is only a gesture aimed at domestic IQ political needs, our responsive gesture to accept the invitation would as reasonably serve US domestic political exigencies, and help clarify our true posture. But of course W might not want things clarified. As Cheney would put it, "so?"
Personally I'd like to see a war crimes trial, but that would probably preclude W from leaving US soil.
Bastards!
Maybe we can sell our military bases to the oil barons and at least get some tax-payer money back. Let them pay for their own protection for a change. Why should we pay for that? They don't reflect this American's interests.
Hooray for Smedley Butler.
Mordechai -- you are right about the possibly of a Bush ploy, and even righter that ploy or not, Obama [and congress dems] should be jumping on this for all it's worth.
PS
If Obama/dems don't walk through this door, Daniel David will no doubt be back on CD to explain whys and wherefore's, god spare us......
Yay, Bush loses, America wins!
Why did we stayed one second after they sad they don't want us there? This sure was a good investment of over 500 biillion dollars. Get ot of Iraq NOW!
Maybe he should stamp his foot, pout and threaten to hold his breath till we promise to leave.
Maybe he should just have the media and pundits create their own reality and pretend all the occupying force really isn't there, like the thousands of 'contractors' the media and people of the USA don't count towards death rate or members of occupation forces. Why none of the 'contractors' have died or broken any laws. That is why no one has an accurate count of 'contractors' crimes or deaths. What other explanation could there be?
"has signaled the almost certain defeat of the George W. Bush administration's aim of establishing a long-term military presence in the country."
Oh, so our 30 major bases are being dismantled? Our fortress embassy is not being built? Their is no plan to expand the number of major bases to 58? Does "long-term" translate to "less than hundred years but more than fifty"?
This article is complete BS. Flexible timetables are simply bait and switch deception. At some point, sometime in the future, unless something unforeseen happens, we would like you consider, possibly, if it's alright with you, raping us less violently...
I think these "defeats" are only loss of reasons (excuses) to stay there. The US will keep bases there with or without Iraqi, UN or anyone's consent.
We're number one, baby, and we need the oil.
I think both the Republican Party's, Bush/McCain, and the Democatic Party's, Obama, plans are to occupy Iraq with, hopefully for them, as few as 50,000 American soldiers and 100,000 or more, whatever's needed, American mercenaries for the next 30 to 50 years, by then most of the oil will be gone.
Mr. Maliki will have the same chance of changing this as the U.S. public has, slim to none.
Face it, George. You just got your ass kicked. It looks like al-Maliki just handed you your rapidly-shrinking balls on a plate of oil-soaked granny rags.
He doesn't talk about the agreements with the oil companies, which seem pretty important given that most colonization in the world today is economic, not overtly political (I believe that is the current source of violence in Nigeria). On the other hand, it is great news that the Iraqis are clamoring for their sovereignty, and a humiliating blow for the Neo-cons, whose plan drove the Iraqis right into the arms of the Iranians, creating one nice big oil-rich Shiite empire. Good move guys!! You really know how to make things happen in the Middle East.
The line from the the US military about "killing those who NEED to be killed" in Basra was chilling--also revealing that one of the goals of this war was the US desire to murder non-acquiescent Iraqis. War crimes, anyone?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
George Bush has rebuilt Babylon
It is right on schedule as predicted.
The same as the rebirth of Israel. The burning star (Chernobyl). A mountain of fire falling into the sea (explorer exploding).
What gave the Iranians the 'Audasity Of Hope' for withdrawel?
Obama! He planned troop withdrawel since the beginning of this fiasco, still does!
Hillary only later got on the bandwagon!
Cindy M and RaLph Nader have NO CHANCE, thats reality!
Unless u want McSame to get in vote Obama.
How many times can the USA lose the war in Iraq?
how many ways can one say "get the f**K out?" - the US is like that loser guest on the couch that doesn't get the hint.
When we first started reading about how the Iraqi government was not too keen on the agreement that Bush wants them to sign by July 31 because of certain terms being dictated to their government, I said "Hey, Maliki want to bake a cake without using Dubya's recipe". Then when it became evident that Maliki wants a timetable for the withdrawal of U. S. troops, that was the "icing on the cake"
Now if they would just tell us to leave, the cherry on top of the icing.
Let's first review this March 25 Basra assault launched by Prime Minister al-Maliki.
It was described as a "hands-on" effort by him and that U. S. officials had no knowledge of it.
It was learned later, after al-Sadr ordered a ceasefire by his Mahdi Army (although by no means defeated at the time)that this was initiated as a result of advise from Iran.
You may recall, that the U. S. had to provide air power support when Maliki's government forces were getting their asses kicked.
One week later, a story broke in the NY Times that Maliki had met with General Patreaus and Ambassador Crocker on March 21 to discuss plans for the Basra attack. I might point out that obviously Patreas & Crocker were the U. S. officials who had NO KNOWLEDGE of what he was planning to do.
You will note in the above article that Patraes said later that some Iraqi units were accompanied by U. S. Army troops, acting only as advisors to the attack that we had NO KNOWLEDGE of.
If anyone in Congress questioned the general or ambassador on these inconsistencies when they appeared approximately mid-April, we were not allowed to see it. The news media was focused only on what questions might have been asked either of them by McCain, Clinton and Obama and these all dealt with non-specifics.
A coincidence in all this was the fact that Dick Cheney had been in Iraq in mid=March which fueld assertions that he had issued a hands-off policy to Patreaus. If Maliki should fall flat on his face, which he did, it would provide justification for us not withdrawing troops to below pre-surge levels.
Subsequently, as recently as May 10, it was Iranian influence that caused al-Maliki and al-Sadr to reach aocord with reference to the violence in the Sadr City section of Baghdad. This was then to pre-empt a planned escalation of violence against al-Sadr's Mahdi army by U. S. troops (who are supposedly only advisors and trainers at this point)
In looking at the influence that the Iranian government has had of a positive nature in these last few months, one has to ask the question whether all the hullabaloo is really over whether Iran wants to enrich uranium for nuclear energy or weaponry or is it just a cover?. The real deal is if Iran keeps interfering, how can we continue to destroy Iraq as we have been doing for the last five years.
It's food for thought. And.........if you don't like the entree, we'll still let you have the cake for dessert.
This is why we need people to start a massive replacement of all the corporate politicians in both parties. Neither Dems nor Repubs listen to our people or the people of our "friend" Iraq tell them to get out of Iraq! Neither party will impeach a war criminal admin, or reign in the out of control greed of oil prices. It is apparent that corporations rule both parties. But 3500 CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and TC (Trilateral Commission) members cannot rule 300 million Americans unless you let them! So check out Http://webjam.com/jimellisforpresident/jimellisforpresident/ This veteran is fighting to save our democracy that has been held hostage by corrupt and greedy globalists posing as our corporate sponsors. This veteran has been denied benefits, harassed, and still is fighting for us all! Middle class and poor stick up for ourselves! Spread this blog via email and write me in as a protest instead of 90% of you not voting. Protest write-in vote Jim Ellis in honor of us veterans who fought and fight for our right to vote! Or vote for someone who isnt a Senator already that failed us! Obama voted for FISA and McCain failed to vote against it! Both have failed to submit a bill to impeach Bush or end the war! Jim Ellis has asked each to write a bill that states cannot deny veterans federal welfare funds for those of you who dont know that veterans who get VA funds cant get welfare in most states. So your "heros" are dying on the streets when the VA underfunds us!Write in Jim Ellis in 08! or run for office yourself, unless you can find anyone in office to submit those bills NOW!
If the Americans don't want to leave Iraq vertically, they will leave it horizontally...
Always good to see people with their humanity and sanity yet intact speaking back and contradicting those who want to propagate delusions and sheer terror....Helps the rest of us realize we're not the crazy ones either around here....
This is just PR for Maliki verses the home crowd. See, I can stand up to the Americans. See, I am not bought and paid for. He may even believe it himself. People tend to believe their own PR. USA is NO. 1!!!!
Boy, democracy is a bitch sometimes!
I know this isn't the topic but has anyone else noticed that no real attention is being given to the economic hardships being experienced by ordinary people. Common Dreams is very good at highlighting important subjects but the economic hardships of the bottom fifty percent of Americans is not featured much relative to other subjects and I am curious as to why?
People are being economically destroyed. Payday Loans, Title Loans, etc., along with unbelievable auto finance rates, housing finance rates, and credit card rates are sinking family budgets. Ever higher health insurance rates, auto insurance rates that are biased toward the wealthy, tax breaks for the wealthy, a dramatic drop in equity in homes, and a seemingly endless rise in prices has combined to represent nothing short of a war on poor and middle class families.
Large and increasing numbers of people can no longer sustain their families as jobs have been exported, and median wages have dropped. It is no longer possible for millions of families to exist anymore. There is not enough money to pay even the most basic of bills. People are selling what few things they have just to put food on the table. Foodbanks are empty or emptying fast.
I believe it's time to feature some articles other than those of lying economists and politicians. No one is there to spend us out of this recession, it's only going to get deeper. The rich are in denial and representative government is no longer representative.
Can we get some coverage of the increasing hardships people are experiencing? I hope so.
Isn't it about time that these issues and the collective resulting negative consequences get some attention?
D n G,
Your point is an excellent one, thank you -- for your perceptive and keen sense of what is missing.
… although I would suggest not much different than a recent thread about restricted press coverage of Arlington Cemetery Services, or the widespread denial of giving Americans anything close to the blood soaked video dailies that occurred during Viet Nam era ( of was w/o end ).
IN both cases, the jacka$$ "sewer main" stream media is very purposely dumbing down any vestiges of common connection and feelings between other American that are suffering ( like the suicides of Vets ). I'm guessing that the purpose of PSYOPS propaganda is to instill fear for some, and numbness for most others, but generally separateness for all.
Resignation works well to shut down people's feeling of compassion and interest in others, especially "encouraging belief" that we're all on our own -- as gov't is incompetent and un-caring to the extreme.
When people widely begin to feel the common suffering, and notice the lack of gov't understanding, the sense of who's in service of the other -- is likely to reverse.
I am 100% in agreement, that we need that broader slice of Americana that illustrates like Stud's Trrkle's "HARD TIMES" did for the stories of the Great Depression.
America's narrative of these times, has been force feed down a painfully limited tube for too long, and people are starved for real news of people -- witness the synthetic "reality shows" pseudo attraction to fill that void.
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veracity July 12th, 2008 1:32 am
"When people widely begin to feel the common suffering, and notice the lack of gov't understanding, the sense of who's in service of the other — is likely to reverse."
Veracity, the realities are much worse than most people understand. I believe that some form of collapse is on the horizon. Denial is everywhere despite the increasingly harsh realities. A Political leadership in denial cannot formulate a mitigating vision. Problems will compound and suffering will increase. The decline will happen so fast that it will spin out of control. Make your plans and stay well.
Doom n Gloom ....
You are exactly right-on. What you suggest could lead to much more sharing of personal experiences, deeper solidarity, and ultimately making real world organizational use of websites like this.
A government such as the US with its record low approval ratings has no mandate whatsoever to do anything.
ZZZ says:
"Oh, so our 30 major bases are being dismantled? Our fortress embassy is not being built? Their is no plan to expand the number of major bases to 58? Does "long-term" translate to "less than hundred years but more than fifty"?
This article is complete BS"
I agree with "zzz" 100%!!
Nothing Malaki (or any other Iraqi) "says" matters at all. There is no force available (other than possibly Iran) to push Bush's army out of Iraq - not even the American people.
Iran is not capable of "pushing us out of Iraq", but it is very capable of bloodying America's nose badly - and Americans are (historically) prone to collapse after a bloody nose - remember Korea, Vietnam, and Somolia?
I believe that Iran (unlike us) is smart enough not to "initiate" a blitzcrieg against American forces in Iraq and close the Strait of Hormuz, but they are fully capable of doing that - and we could not prevent it. OTOH, if we (true to our form) initiate a serious aggression against Iran, America will get the worst bloody nose in its history - a bloody nose that will echo around the world, and bring on WW III - with US against the world. Even Israel will refrain from helping us - it would not be in its national interest.
Don't rejoice over this demand. Yes, we should leave Iraq, and it is also true that we should never have invaded this country. But don't you see that this Iran-Iraq alliance is even more dangerous and an even bigger obstacle to our press for oil. This makes it almost imperative that we escalate our war across the border, to cut off the Shiite influence from Iran. You see it's the same war, only different geography. With our weapons we are much happier launching attacks from farther away. Perhaps then we can really do it right in an interim government. Norm Chomski is right, there is no criticism of this war on its moral grounds. We are content to only criticize it's success or failure. In this climate, we are doomed to the old adage, try, try, try, and try again. It's time to wake up.
Thank you, Mr. Maliki, for doing what the misguided White House and the cowardly Congress have failed to do! The American people owe you a great debt of gratitude.
Poor Mr. Maliki, he should remember the old Arab proverb "Always use a long spoon when you supper with the Devil"
I fear it is to late for Mr Maliki and he will go the way of Ngo Dinh Diem.