The FBI's Plan to 'Profile' Muslims
The U.S. Justice Department is considering a change in the grounds on which the FBI can investigate citizens and legal residents of the United States. Till now, DOJ guidelines have required the FBI to have some evidence of wrongdoing before it opens an investigation. The impending new rules, which would be implemented later this summer, allow bureau agents to establish a terrorist profile or pattern of behavior and attributes and, on the basis of that profile, start investigating an individual or group. Agents would be permitted to ask "open-ended questions" concerning the activities of Muslim Americans and Arab-Americans. A person's travel and occupation, as well as race or ethnicity, could be grounds for opening a national security investigation.
The rumored changes have provoked protests from Muslim American and Arab-American groups. The Council on American Islamic Relations, among the more effective lobbies for Muslim Americans' civil liberties, immediately denounced the plan, as did James Zogby, the president of the Arab-American Institute. Said Zogby, "There are millions of Americans who, under the reported new parameters, could become subject to arbitrary and subjective ethnic and religious profiling." Zogby, who noted that the Bush administration's history with profiling is not reassuring, warned that all Americans would suffer from a weakening of civil liberties.
In fact, Zogby's statement only begins to touch on the many problems with these proposed rules. The new guidelines would lead to many bogus prosecutions, but they would also prove counterproductive in the effort to disrupt real terror plots. And then there's Attorney General Michael Mukasey's rationale for revising the rules in the first place. "It's necessary," he explained in a June news conference, "to put in place regulations that will allow the FBI to transform itself as it is transforming itself into an intelligence-gathering organization." When did Congress, or we as a nation, have a debate about whether we want to authorize the establishment of a domestic intelligence agency? Indeed, late last month Congress signaled its discomfort with the concept by denying the FBI's $11 million funding request for its data-mining center.
Establishing a profile that would aid in identifying suspects is not in and of itself illegal, though the practice generally makes civil libertarians nervous. When looking for drug couriers, Drug Enforcement Agency agents were permitted by the Supreme Court in United States v. Sokolow (1989) to use indicators such as the use of an alias, nervous or evasive behavior, cash payments for tickets, brief trips to major drug-trafficking cities, type of clothing, and the lack of checked luggage. This technique, however, specifically excluded the use of skin color or other racial features in building the profile.
In contrast, using race and ethnicity as the -- or even a -- primary factor in deciding whom to stop and search, despite being widespread among police forces, is illegal. Just this spring, the Maryland State Police settled out of court with the ACLU and an African-American man after having been sued for the practice of stopping black and Latino men and searching them for drugs. New Jersey police also got into trouble over stopping people on the grounds of race.
The New Jersey Supreme Court ruled last year in State v. Calvin Lee that a defendant's plausible allegation that the arrest was initiated primarily because of race would be grounds for discovery: The defense attorney could then request relevant documents from the prosecution that might show discriminatory attitudes and actions on the part of the police. Because racial profiling is most often felt by juries to be inappropriate, its use could backfire on the FBI. Suspects charged on the basis of an investigation primarily triggered by their race could end up being acquitted as victims of government discrimination.
If the aim is to identify al-Qaida operatives or close sympathizers in the United States, racial profiling is counterproductive. Such tiny, cultlike terror organizations are multinational. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, is a Briton whose father hailed from Jamaica, and no racial profile of him would have predicted his al-Qaida ties. Adam Gadahn, an al-Qaida spokesman, is from a mixed Jewish and Christian heritage and hails from suburban Orange County, Calif. When I broached the topic of FBI profiling to some Muslim American friends on Facebook, a scientist in San Francisco replied, "Profiling Muslims or Arabs will just make al-Qaida look outside Islam for its bombers. There are many other disgruntled groups aside from those that worship Allah."
It is a mystery why the Department of Justice has not learned the lesson that terrorists are best tracked down through good police work brought to bear on specific illegal acts, rather than by vast fishing expeditions. After Sept. 11, the DOJ called thousands of Muslim men in the United States for what it termed voluntary interviews. Not a single terrorist was identified in this manner, though a handful of the interviewees ended up being deported for minor visa offenses. Once it became clear that the interviews might eventuate in arbitrary actions against them, the willingness of American Muslims to cooperate declined rapidly, and so the whole operation badly backfired.
The fiasco of the prosecution of the Detroit Four should also have been instructive. These four Arab men apparently had the misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, having moved into an apartment in southwest Detroit recently vacated by a man suspected of al-Qaida ties. The prosecution alleged that innocent vacation videotapes of places such as Disneyland found in the apartment were part of a terror plot, and that vague doodles in a notebook depicted targets abroad such as a Jordanian hospital and Incirlik Air Force Base in Turkey. The prosecution relied heavily on an Arab-American informer who might reduce his own prison sentence for various acts of criminal fraud if a conviction were obtained, and whose testimony against the four suspects evolved dramatically over time. The initial conviction of two of the men, Karim Koubriti and Abdel-Ilah Elmardoudi on charges of giving material support to terrorism, which was hailed as an achievement by the Bush administration, was overturned when the prosecution was discovered to have withheld key exculpatory evidence.
In a startling reversal, two members of the prosecuting team were tried for criminal misconduct, and although they were acquitted, their misconduct was not in question. A Detroit judge even apologized to a third man, who was held for three and a half years on a minor fraud charge and then deported. The entire affair raised questions about whether Muslim-Americans could hope for justice if for any reason they got accidentally caught up in the Justice Department's frantic search for Muslim terror cells on American soil (very few have been found). The flimsy case against the four men would have had no plausibility at all had they been white upper-middle-class residents of Connecticut.
Not only has the Justice Department engaged in prosecutorial misconduct with regard to Muslims, but at least one FBI operation also appears to have involved actual entrapment. Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Burson Augustine, Rothschild Augustine, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera and Lyglenson Lemorin were arrested in June 2006, and accused of being an al-Qaida cell plotting to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. Batiste, aka Brother Naz or Prince Manna, led a small cult in a poor neighborhood of Miami called Seas of David, which was apparently an offshoot of the Moorish Temple Science, an African-American folk religion. The cult mixed themes from Judaism, Christianity and Islam but was not identifiably Muslim. The group met in a warehouse and talked big.
The FBI put an informant among them who repeatedly offered them money and equipment for their activities, some of which he appears to have suggested. Batiste maintained in the trial that he was just stringing along the informant in hopes of extracting a promised $50,000, and that he was insincere in pledging allegiance to al-Qaida. When the Justice Department announced the arrest in 2006, the indictment went on about the belief of the group in jihad, or Muslim holy war, but it is a little unlikely that these individuals knew anything about Islam at all. Both attempts to prosecute them ended in mistrials, primarily because the FBI could produce no evidence that when they were arrested they had any weapons or explosives in their possession. They were full of crazy talk, but even some of that was suggested to them by the Department of Justice.
Muslim Americans and Arab-Americans, along with members of some other ethnic groups, are therefore understandably alarmed that the Department of Justice may soon have the tools to bring them under investigation without any proof of wrongdoing. As CAIR national legislative director Corey Saylor noted in a statement, "Any new Justice Department guidelines must preserve the presumption of innocence that is the basis of our entire legal system ... Initiating criminal investigations based on racial or religious profiling is both unconstitutional and un-American." Muslim Americans and Arab-Americans have already suffered from being profiled in a de facto sense. Unsurprisingly, to have that injustice become policy concerns them. The protests would be even louder if so many in the community were not afraid to speak up and draw attention to themselves, as one of my Muslim American Facebook correspondents pointed out to me. Another remarked sadly that not only had George W. Bush not brought democracy to the Muslim Middle East, but he had also damaged its prospects in America itself.
Juan Cole teaches Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan. His most recent book Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2007) has just been published. He has appeared widely on television, radio and on op-ed pages as a commentator on Middle East affairs, and has a regular column at Salon.com. He has written, edited, or translated 14 books and has authored 60 journal articles. His weblog on the contemporary Middle East is Informed Comment.
Copyright ©2008 Salon Media Group, Inc.
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48 Comments so far
Show AllThe Muslims should get down on their knees and thank Allah that they have not been put in internment camps or forced to ware badges identifying them as such.
adroc,
OK, fair enough. Tim McVeigh never invoked the name of God. I gave a bad example,
But Bush invokes God's name to justify all his terrorist actions. As do most US military officers.
If you have listened to the full unedited Bin Laden taped communiques, he actually spends much more time talking about US/Israeli military and economic hegemony in the middle east than about religion. He even makes some very specific, reasonable, demands - even if the the means he used weren't justifiable.
the only demand needing heeded is to hunt this scum pos down. As much as I want him dead, a lifetime of being raped daily by the bubbas in a US jail seems aptly fitting for this worthless scumbag. Get down on you knees every single day puke and thank our military for your freedom to even spew your shit! FOAD puke!
Garvey,
I'm not assuming anything about Muslims in general based on the fundamentalist ideology of the Wahabi movement, nor should anyone else. I was just pointing out how the McVeigh argument was invalid.
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another conspiracy idiot...this site is chock full of them, lol!
A D R O C,
I sorry that you didn't get the latest translation. What Osama Bin Laden REALLY said was :"The acts of 9_!_! were committed in the name of bu$h!t, neoCONNING, the Mighty Whitey Dollar, and everlasting war mongering profiteering"
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« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Adroc, that is good point, however it doesn't explain why Muslims, writ large should be expected to denounce the actions of Bin Laden. Most Muslims do not subscribe to the extreme Wahabist movement. Sure, they will be appalled by his actions and motives. But why do we assume that he is representative of anyone other than fellow Al Qaeda members? Does Pat Robertson or John Hagee speak for Christians, or even just Protestants? Of course not.
USAn, you said
"Juliann,
Tymothy McVeigh was a Catholic. Were US Catholics asked to issue a special denouncement of what he did?"
Timothy McVeigh never decried his heinous act in the name of Jesus and/or God. Bin Laden has stated many times his actions are in the name of Mohammed and/or Allah. That's the difference.
Please state what was offensive. Or does it offend you to be called out?
"All I was trying to point out was that the notion that the whole worlds ills flow from us or Western civilization is not correct. Many yes, but not even close to most."
Can you give some historical examples of atrocities and naked agression on the scale of WW1 or WW2 that was ever initiated by, say, India, China, Iran or an African nation? Oh yes, there was Japan's adventure into imperialism - and where did they learn that behavior from?
And exactly what sort of atrocities did North Vietnam commit compared, in both number and atrociousness, to those the US GI's were comitting? The US killed at least 3.5 million indochinese, the indochinese, a mere 40,000 USAns. The same sort of thing is crrently going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am not sugggesting that christianity is the cause of the violence, I am pointing out the hypocracy and orientalism of westerners in their erroneous association of Middle eastern militancy and terrorism (which is largely anti-imperialist, not religious in origin) with Islam, while never noticing that one could could much more easily argue an association of the atrocities of the west with Christianity - I know first hand that US military leaders begin and end all their speeches and pep rally with "God Bless America", and the largest and most ornate buildings at all our service academies are the cathedral-sized christian "chapels".
Please Read "Killing Hope - US Military and CIA interventions since World War II", by William Blum.
And you will be the first dumbass liberal to be screaming "how" when these pukes, who only want you dead, achieve another terrorist attack in the US.
Juliann July 10th, 2008 12:17 pm
Don't worry about it Juliann, some people delight in being offensive. I'm not sure of his motive.
I meant "do not listen when we do."
It's unfortunate that Juliann stands by her original comments because I'm not sure which original comment she stands by.
The first part denounces the branding and steroetyping of Arabs and Muslims.
The second part proceeds to do just that.
I say it's unfortunate because (based on this posts and many of her other posts I've read over the past few months), it appears that she stands by her second comment more than the first.
By her second post, she admits being aware of the massive sympathy towards the US shown by ME nations and American Arabs and Muslims post-Sept.11. So she is aware that most have denounced the terrorist attacks yet expects Muslims and Arabs to do more.
But what exactly? Do you expect them to convert, should another attack occur on US soil? Or should they launch some sort of "Reformation" Ã la Martin Luther?
You see, minority groups in the US (and here in Canada and I'm sure many places in Europe) are intimately aware of the racilaized social structure in which we live. So when a member of our racial or ethnic group does something awful, many instinctively act to denounce it. They march, write letters to newspapers, blog, phone in to radio shows -- they seek to distance themselves and the racial/ethnic group to which they belong from the awful thing some member did.
Why do they (we) do this? Because we are rightly convince that there are many in the majority group who will expect/demand that we do so; that if we do not immediately and in no uncertain terms denounce the awful thing, there will be many in the majority group who will view our "silence" as consent. (I say "silence" because the same majority group people who expect us to denounce, do not listen when we do so).
USAn July 10th, 2008 11:48 pm
While I agree that we should never have been mixed up there, make no mistake about who was the invader. The North Vietnamese invaded the South. It was a civil war in effect.
"And as far as North Vietnam, considering that they were defending themselves from an unprovoked invasion by a powerful, nuclear armed aggressor, weren't they entitled to do whatever they wanted with captured invaders?"
No I wouldn't. And if I judged them by what they did to some of our men, horrible things, worse than you can imagine, if I judged them on that I would have wiped them from the face of the Earth as less than human devils.
Have we always done the right thing, of course not. All I was trying to point out was that the notion that the whole worlds ills flow from us or Western civilization is not correct. Many yes, but not even close to most. And most of that came in the colonial era.
Some of your examples are correct, some are not. historically that is. Pick an instance and you will find someone else doing something worse at the same time or your description fits someone else just as well.
"Pretty bad at one time!!! Which religion is Bush an adherent? What religion was Hitler when he said "Gott mitt Uns!"
Would you condemn the Muslim faith because Bin Laden says "Praise Allah?"
You could break down the list you had and point out things like North Korea invaded South Korea and was backed by the Chinese. I also think you'll find there were a few more countries involved than the US. Other times like thec Sandinistas, we should have let them do whatever they wanted to.
I'm with G. Washington, we need to bring most of our troops home from everywhere and avoid many foreign entanglements, no matter how much they beg us to come.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Unless they can make a case that they have been wrongly identified as Arab or Muslim, I don't think these "Americans" mentioned in the article above have much of a leg stand on if they seek to obstruct this attempt to protect conventional Americans from terrorism.
"USAn, yea, christians at one time were pretty bad."
Pretty bad at one time!!! Which religion is Bush an adherent? What religion was Hitler when he said "Gott mitt Uns!"
Bush has murdered far more poeple than Bin Laden or any other Muslim.
Any threat of another terrorist action pales next to what the US has already done to millions since 2001.
The Muslim empire pales next to atrocities of long era of European/USAn Imperialism that followed it and continues to this day - 516 years of horror!
And as far as North Vietnam, considering that they were defending themselves from an unprovoked invasion by a powerful, nuclear armed aggressor, weren't they entitled to do whatever they wanted with captured invaders?
Dear Americans, please start thinking like citizens of the world instead of sick sociopaths!
Korea was never a threat to the US.
North Vietnam, and the S. Vietnamese NLF was never a threat,
The Sandinisdtas were never a threat,
The FMLN was never a threat,
The Cuban revolution was never a threat,
Even the Soviet Union was never a threat;
Iraq was never a threat,
Afghanistan and the Taliban was never a threat,
Iran, even one with nuclear bombs is not a threat to anyone except an invader of their nation.
The ragtag band called "Al Quieda" are not and never were a existential threat to the US. Terrorism is bad; so are the 70,000 people who die every year in car crashes and homicides. You address terrorism with simple physical security measures on airplanes and tougher laws regulating explosives and weapons.
All these bogeymen were made into threats so you would do the bidding of the power hungry running this county and follow them into war. As Hermann Goering said "it works every tine".
This is just one more thing to add to the "gotta rescind that" of any future Obama adminstration. This should be constantly harped on and written about until such change takes place.
There will be no future obama administration. Our nation will be bankrupt withing 15 months with this scumbag liberal POS as POTUS.
"The FBI's Plan to 'Profile' Muslims"
American scapegoats! How easy it is for us to take a group and blame them for our ills. It has been done before to other groups and yet however much we repeat the phrase never again, it seems we cannot stop ourselves.
This is NOT about "Terrorism" at all..this is the SLOW BOIL folks...can you feel it? the water is getting hotter by degrees....not al at once...but FOR SURE..slowly the temperature is..IS rising..
This is really about INCREASED POWER OF "PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY" AND INCREASED SURVIELLANCE OF.....EVERYONE.
For example..Why is it that even in the article above..I did not notice any remarks to the effect that..."HOW" will the FBI..uhhh..FIND the "ARABS" to profile in the first place...so..a van is sitting out on the street for a few day's...uhh..JUST WAITING FOR THAT ONE BROWN SKINNED MAN? No!..NOPE!..this is about being allowed to..."look" for certain MEDIA FRENZY profiles..in this case "A-Rabs" and then...WATCH EVERYONE...Again..with PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY..just like for example the Elliot Spitzer case...
FBI:
"Ooops..we were just investigating this..BROTHEL...(read: salacious..excusable..etc..) and..woah! nelly! look who showed up..Gosh..SORRY..but..well..WHILE WERE HERE..we might as well..GO AFTER THIS POLITICIAN THAT WALLSTREET IS REALLY PISSED OFF AT..."
See how that works?
So..with this "Hot bed" community under "surveillance they are in fact watching EVERYONE..and spying on the entire AREA..or Neighborhood or whatever the case may be..this is what is going down..the slippery slope...
This too is why it is so..AMAZING that Obama..AND OTHERS..allowed..nay..PUSHED through the ILLEGAL FISA ACT today...because these men..college educated..KNOW the history of the abuses of the 60-70's..the wiretapping of Martin Luther King..FOR WHAT?..etc...etc..etc...so again..what this is ALL about is CHILLING DISSENT THROUGH FEAR...AND...Muddying the water when they..."STUMBLE UPON..." another entirely differnt set of..'Suspects'..."oooops...we were just watching them A-rabs and..boy howdy..caught us some white boy's...GA-aaa-lly"
These SCUM..These Tru Believers that do not Care that they are trampling the very freedoms they have been self-hypnotized into believing they are...SAVING...is..really an amazing example of ACTUAL "FANATACISM"...THESE FBI SWINE, AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE ..MYRIAD OF FEDERAL AGENCIES..ARE ALL FANATICS...BRAINWASHED..CANNOT LISTEN TO ANY OTHER POINT OF VIEW..THEY ARE THE REAL THREAT TO THIS REPUBLIC AND IT'S CONSTITUTION..IS THIS NOT OBVIOUS..AND..GUESS WHAT?
YOU PAY THEIR SALLERIES..I DON'T...BUT YOU DO!..WAKE UP..DO NOT PAY FOR THE WIRETAPPING OF YOUR OWN GODDAMN CALLS..WAKE UP..WAKE UP.....WAKE...UP!
Re. Future.me's comment:
All you say is so very true -- and it's all happening right now and accelerating until it's out of control. I agree.
However, you are perhaps too optimistic in thinking that all the privileged whites will rebel.
1) Most of these privileged people (non-whites included, by the way- it is mostly an economic/class privilege) are dyed-in-the-wool individualists, imbued with a belief in the system that will weaken only when the system itself is crashing in on them --too late to make any contingency plans and even less, to organize.
2) The state is well ahead of any individual or group in this race for control. One example: the freedom of the internet itself has been tolerated and will be for some time to come because it's the perfect net for hauling in dissidents when/if the time comes, complete with names, addresses, bank account & credit card no., etc.
If and when those losing their privilege decide to organize, they will become casualties like Black and Native American organizers before them. However, I really believe that most of us privileged folks will be in denial long into the repression.
Sorry to be so pessimistic.
Please, Wake up America.
If our law enforcement agencies have not profiled every Muslim by now,especially with the warrant less spy program firmly in place ,( Staci Police Style ),
they are not doing there jobs.
It started the day after 9/11 and the Patriot Act made it legal.
The Stasi-- The DHS hired Markus Wolfe 2004 as a consultant. Markus Wolfe is the ex- Stasi police chief for East Germany
East Germany's Ministry for State Security, known as the Stasi, featured probably the most comprehensive internal security operation of the Cold War. The Stasi built an astonishingly widespread network of informants -- researchers estimate that out of a population of 16 million, 400,000 people actively cooperated. The Stasi kept files on up to 6 million East German citizens -- one-third of the entire population.
The Stasi operated with broad power and remarkable attention to detail. All phone calls from the West were monitored, as was all mail. Similar surveillance was routine domestically. Every factory, social club and youth association was infiltrated; many East Germans were persuaded or blackmailed into informing on their own families.
BornFreeMen
Will the last American Patriot still standing kiss the Constitution goodbye.
And hell-- not to pull the pin on the grenade, or create a wormhole to the Perpetual Vortex-- but SOMEBODY has to note for the record that there is, in fact, no comprehensive, consistent, and robust public account of 'zackly WHO actually did WHAT during the infamous events of September 11, 2001.
The only time tested and still very effective way of profiling is the manner used by Nazi Germany on German Jews.
The only changes the FBI will have to make is instead of tatooing each individual with a number and the Star of David in Yellow the tattoo and patch will have to represent a Crescent Moon either in white or blue.
The above along with what the Department of Homeland Security is reportedly considering according to the Washington Times as cited below can only pleasure the Islmaphobes, the neocons and zionists in America:
A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to this promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal, Inc. website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers.
This bracelet would:
• Take the place of an airline boarding pass
• Contain personal information about the traveler
• Be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage
• Shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes
The Electronic ID Bracelet, as it's referred to, would be worn by every traveler "until they disembark the flight at their destination." Yes, you read that correctly. Every airline passenger would be tracked by a government-funded GPS, containing personal, private and confidential information, and would shock the customer worse than an electronic dog collar if the passenger got out of line.
Clearly the Electronic ID Bracelet is a euphemism for the EMD Safety Bracelet, or at least it has a nefarious hidden ability (thus the term ID Bracelet is ambiguous at best). EMD stands for Electro-Musclar Disruption. Again, according to the promotional video, the bracelet can completely immobilize the wearer for several minutes.
If all the above comes to pass, it will be similar to what one reads is the lifestyles of all the Palestenians living in Gaza
Unfortunately this misguided proposal plays into two of the biggest fallacies of the US's so called ``war on terror''.
The first is that the US authorities have shown themselves to be extraordinarily talented in making themselves unpopular across the world and at home.
The second is that the authorities have consistently and repeatedly failed to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty throughout, whether in terms of innocent civilian victims in Iraq and Afghanistan, or terrorism suspects undergoing ``rendition'' and torture in faraway prisons, or even the round up of US citizens of various ethnic minority groups.
For the sake of factuality, fairness, and indeed justice, the world has to demand accountability for the staggering human cost of the so called ``War on Terror''.
Oldbadger wrote: "I look forward to the day when westerners gather en masse and decry what their governments have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and myriad other parts of the world."
Many of us weep in solitude over what my country has done and continues to do to destroy other cultures and people. And I do believe the masses have gathered for many - but not enough - demonstrations against these crimes.
I stand by my original comments.
the only westerners that would gather for this pity party would be the same liberal pieces of shit that put the community organizer in the WH. These poor other people of these poor cultures...want your dumbass dead! Wake up idiot and save your tears for some other liberal cause.
ezeflyer, not all countries with a majority Muslim population have oil! My husband, he finds himself to be quite humurous, says of all the countries in the ME, although Turkey is really Asia Minor, they are the ones with absolutely ZERO oil, he said Turks say if it was raining Pu__y
he'd get hit in the head by a DICK!
Muslims not speaking out post 9/11, are you ca-ray-zee, everywhere Cengiz went to see our customers were ranting and railing against those A-rabs, they thought he was Russian you think he was going to say word one? Paterson, NJ was crawling with Homeland Security guys harrassing everyone that "looked Muslim" rounded uo and made to feel as if they flew those planes into the Towers.
I see, the ol' where they're from ruse as well, I was wondering how they'd ever even consider husband and daughter, blonde and green eyed. Now the US Consulate was attacked by al-Qaeda in Turkey in Istanbul, Turkey?, huh?, those al Qaeda fellows sure get around. al Qaeda, al Qaeda in Iraq, al Qaeda in Turkey. They should unionize. Demand benefits, healthcare and survivors benefits from Usama, he's dead or in some fancy schmancy place. That consulate is like a castle with enough baffling and stone barricades to keep out the Turkish military, let alone a few asshole wanna-bees being able to do a thing.
I can't type wort a darn.
See what I mean!
I apologize for not using a spell checker. I can't type wort a darn.
Juliann July 10th, 2008 12:17 pm
I knew yopu were going to get that. I said the same thing and they threw rotten tomatoes.
We do need to remember as someone kindly pointed out not long ago that not all Muslims are Arabs nor for that matter Arabs are Muslims. Its about the samr comparison as talking about the "Latino" vote as if its one monolithic group.
Garvey July 10th, 2008 12:29 pm
Right! And thank you again Mr Bush and company.
Its amazing how bad we are, but all these other people are so saintly. Please. Do you think you can convince the North Vietnamese to apologize for all their atrocities? Did you miss the part where the Moslem Empire awept across the world? Talk about you oceans of blood, etc.
We should have been doing this thirty years ago.
Of course we should profile muslims in airports, why on earth would we not? Who do you think would be in the worst trouble if we actually DID have another muslim terror attack on this country?
USAn, yea, christians at one time were pretty bad. What does this have to do with airport security again? If there was a christian group talking about killing americans the way so many muslim groups are, I'd say keep an eye out for them as well.
With only so many security resources to go around, its logical to do it this way.
Juliann,
Tymothy McVeigh was a Catholic. Were US Catholics asked to issue a special denouncement of what he did?
The September 11 actions were not "Muslim" actions, they were anti-US-domination actions. If they were religiously motivated actions, wouldn't they have attacked a much more godless and immoral country like the Netherlands or Sweden?
When are all Americans going to get in front of microphones and decry the tens of millions of people their government and corporations have killed since 1950 -vastly more than any Muslim.
For that matter, when are all the worlds Christians going to collectviely apologise to the world for the oceans of blood they have spilled over the past 1700 years, starting with Constantine, to Pope Urban, to Columbus and his friends, to the slaughter and enslavement of Africans and extermination of America's poeples, to WW1 to Hitler, to Nixon, to Bush -Christians all!
Now, how have these Muslims been so violent again?
"I look forward to the day when American Muslims gather en masse in front of microphones to decry what terrorist Muslims have done on 9/11/01 and since. They are oddly quiet." I look forward to the day when westerners gather en masse and decry what their governments have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and myriad other parts of the world. They are oddly prone to electing governments which refuse even to consider changing their murderous, militaristic ways.
And what I mean by squeeze is:
When Whites can't:
Buy a Car
Buy a House
Send their kids to private schools
Use their birth right to create wealth
Use their get out of jail free card anymore
Get on a plane with out being harassed
Get off the No Fly List
Drive down the street with out being pulled over for not having a light on your license plate
Go into a store with out being followed around
Get loans or credit cards
Get their credit fixed because of miles of red tape
Get health care for themselves and children
Get psychotherapy for their PTSD plagued family VETS
Go to the store with out being stared at
Speak how they want with out drawing suspicion
Get a damn cab!!!!!
Pray when they feel the need
When whites start to get treated like shit, like people of any an all colors then there will be change.
Until it happens in on a massive scale rather than the few rare instances that it has happened in the past. NOTHING will change.
First they came for Arabs, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Arab.
Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Muslim.
Then they came for the Peace Activists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Peace Activist.
Then they came for the Gays, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Gay.
Then they came for the Environmentalists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Environmentalist.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
All we can wait for is when regular white people start feeling the squeeze a little more then they are now and change will happen. At least a riot or two. Until then we are all screwed.
This is nothing new. FBI is legitimising what is ingrained in the American society. Just remember two incidents happened not too long ago. In Chicago airport Muslim religious leaders were detained by the law-enforcement officials, just because they were overheard speaking in Arabic. In the second incident an European American woman travelling in a flight from San Diego to Chicago complained that she was afraid of her neighbors, who happened to be speaking in Arabic and were Muslims. NOT SURPRISINGLY THE FLIGHT WAS CANCELLED. Those Muslims happened to be Iraqi Americans, who train American soldiers!!!!
Even though I very much appreciate the few American voices on CD against the policies of the American government, the reality is such policies have the support of majority of Americans.
This discrimination is very much rooted in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...." However, the reality is "all men are created equal" does not incliude women, African Americans, Asian Americans, and Hispanics, and Americans of other faiths, particularly Islam (When this declaration was made, the slave-trade did exist, and women and indentured slaves did not have equal rights as the European Americans). Therefore, in a country that is founded on this principle/TRUTH, the present FBI's plan to profile Muslims is not surprising.
"If Muslims were smart like Zionists they would use some of their vast oil revenue buy up all the American politicians."
The Saudi Royal Elites have already done that. That's why America relies on foreign oil especially in the MidEast but just won't shut the FUCK up and turn to varieties of alternative energy resources !
How is this for explaining the FBI's new 'profiling policy':
'If it ain't WHITE, it ain't RIGHT!'
Muslims decry? Strangely silent? Right after 911 I took advantage of $125 round trip air fare to visit family in Europe. An Egyptian woman who owned a restaurant there saw (heard accent?) I was an American and served me a wonderful meal, no charge. She played her Egyptian music and apologized for 911 with tears in her eyes.
Then we blew it.
What about Christians and Jews decry? So far I have heard only the Pope say anything on behalf of a major religion. Maybe we should round up everyone with Mc in their names because of the Oklahoma City bombings.
If Muslims were smart like Zionists they would use some of their vast oil revenue buy up all the American politicians.
Remember the internment camps for the Japanese? Do we ever learn anything?
So much of what passes as security is nonsense to create fear and to fill the void created by politically motivated incompetents in the intelligence community. How many shoes have been removed at airports? Wow, now we are safe.
Many Arabs are Christian, or Jewish or Druse or unaffiliated. Many Muslims do not speak Arabic but Urdu, Farsi, African or East Asian languages. Many Moslems are full fledged American citizens. Even if this were a good idea, how would our stupid, stupid, incompetent government identify their targets.
Stop bombing and invading the world. We are the terrorists. We create anger and support for violent retaliation. As for the few who might wish to do harm here, follow the money... and I'll bet it often traces back to ________ ?
-"Till now, DOJ guidelines have required the FBI to have some evidence of wrongdoing before it opens an investigation."
Is that all there was, protecting your freedoms and rights, "guidelines"? Interesting.
"I look forward to the day when American Muslims gather en masse in front of microphones to decry what terrorist Muslims have done on 9/11/01 and since. They are oddly quiet."
You haven't been listening.
Muslims the world over, including many in the US, denounced the 9-11 attacks so strongly that they (as the article correctly points out) cooperated with law enforcement to root out any other potential plots.
That they are silent now has less to do with their consent to terrorists' actions than it does with the rational fear instilled BY law enforcement (mixed with the silence of OTHER Americans on the injustices they face).
After all, other than Muslim and Arab Americans, no one else is reportedly concerned about this issue (as per the article).
It doesn't help that on Cleveland radio this morning (WMMS 100.7, Rover's Morning Glory), the host and his cohorts were talking in earnest about how Iranians and other Muslims don't use bathrooms but rather pee all over their houses and in holes they dig in the back yard. Way to go Rover. (NE Ohio lost progressive radio a year and a half ago. Pray for us this coming November.)
On the other hand - I look forward to the day when American Muslims gather en masse in front of microphones to decry what terrorist Muslims have done on 9/11/01 and since. They are oddly quiet.