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Democrats' Strategy: Strength Through Bowing
Historians writing about the Bush era were given a great gift yesterday -- an iconic headline that explains so much of what has happened in this country over the last seven years:
Their rationale for doing that is that it prevents the Republicans from depicting them as "weak," because nothing exudes strength like bowing. Here's more evidence of the brilliance of the Democratic strategy to show how "strong" and "tough" they are by bowing to Bush and all of his demands, from this morning's New York Times article by Eric Lichtblau:
WASHINGTON - The Senate gave final approval on Wednesday to a major expansion of the government's surveillance powers, handing President Bush one more victory in a series of hard-fought clashes with Democrats over national security issues. . . .
Even as his political stature has waned, Mr. Bush has managed to maintain his dominance on national security issues in a Democratic-led Congress. He has beat back efforts to cut troops and financing in Iraq, and he has won important victories on issues like interrogation tactics and military tribunals in the fight against terrorism. . . . Debate over the surveillance law was the one area where Democrats had held firm in opposition. . . . .But in the end Mr. Bush won out, as administration officials helped forge a deal between Republican and Democratic leaders that included almost all the major elements the White House wanted. The measure gives the executive branch broader latitude in eavesdropping on people abroad and at home who it believes are tied to terrorism, and it reduces the role of a secret intelligence court in overseeing some operations.
President Bush generously patted the Democrats on the head for their compliance with what they were told to do. Here is the head-patting headline on the White House's website:
The Leader wasn't entirely pleased, as it took longer for Democrats to comply with his orders than he wanted, and he thus pointed out -- with the disapproving tone a teacher uses to scold a mildly delinquent student -- that the bill "is long overdue." Nonetheless, he singled out the most compliant members for special praise:
I want to thank the members of my administration who worked hard to get this legislation passed. I thank the Democratic and Republican leadership in the Congress for their efforts, particularly House Majority Leader Hoyer, House Republican Whip Blunt, Senators Bond and Rockefeller, Congressmen Hoekstra, Reyes and Smith.
And the President has every right to be pleased. Eric Lichtblau -- who went through the trouble of exposing the illegal NSA spying program for, as it turns out, no good reason -- put it this way:
The program was disclosed in December 2005 by The New York Times. . . . . The vote came two and a half years after public disclosure of the wiretapping program set off a fierce national debate over the balance between protecting the country from another terrorist strike and ensuring civil liberties. The final outcome in Congress, which opponents of the surveillance measure had conceded for weeks, seemed almost anticlimactic in contrast.
"Anticlimactic" is a mild description for a scandal that began with disclosure that the President of the United States and the telecom industry were committing felonies for years in how they spied on American citizens, only to end with a Congress controlled by the "opposition party" legalizing the surveillance, protecting the lawbreakers, terminating the only meaningful process for discovering what really happened, and embracing the premise that the President has the power to order private actors to break the law as long as, in his sole discretion, he decrees that doing so is legal. On the bright side, we can rest assured that -- even though there is no individual warrant requirement for huge categories of eavesdropping on our telephone calls and email communications -- they promise not to abuse that power:
There is nothing to fear in the bill, said Senator Christopher S. Bond, the Missouri Republican who was a lead negotiator, "unless you have Al Qaeda on your speed dial."
Such promises -- that our magnanimous Government Leaders will only use eavesdropping powers for the Right Reasons, and therefore we can trust in them and thus don't need any of this bothersome "oversight" nonsense -- don't really have a very glorious history in our country. From a July 25, 1969 article in Time:
During his presidential campaign, Richard Nixon said that he would take full advantage of the new [eavesdropping] law -- a promise that raised fears of a massive invasion of privacy. To calm those fears, the Administration last week issued what amounted to an official statement on the subject.
In his first news conference since becoming the President's chief legal officer, Attorney General John N. Mitchell pointedly announced that the incidence of wiretapping by federal law enforcement agencies had gone down, not up, during the first six months of Republican rule. Mitchell refused to disclose any figures, but he indicated that the number was far lower than most people might think. "Any citizen of this United States who is not involved in some illegal activity," he added, "has nothing to fear whatsoever."
Six years after Mitchell issued that assurance, a Congress that actually performed its Constitutional duties of oversight commissioned the Church Committee to investigate the history of government eavesdropping in the U.S., and it found "a massive record of intelligence abuses over the years" whereby the "the Government has collected, and then used improperly, huge amounts of information about the private lives, political beliefs and associations of huge numbers of Americans." Still, on a daily basis, I get emails like this one which I received yesterday:
As for President Bush, I love the way that liberals like yourself depict this. It is as if he and the VP are sitting in the oval office with a box of thin mints and headphones listening to someone have phone sex with their mistress. Bush doesn't "listen in" on our phone calls. He doesn't care who you or I call. The electronic surveillance system focuses on international calls, specfically to terrorist hotbeds not on your phone calls to your liberal cronies. To think he cares who you call or even who a convicted felon calls shows how out of touch you are.
This electronic surveillance is necessary and is part of the plan that keeps us safe.
One can mock that authoritarian, un-American mentality if one likes (I trust my Leader with unchecked power because he's Good!), but it's a perfectly mainstream view. It's the precise mentality that led the Democratic-led Congress yesterday to pass a bill with broad new eavesdropping powers, with Kit Bond and Jay Rockefeller playing the role of John Mitchell.
Yesterday's episode also illustrates why I've been so ambivalent about campaigns such as those to demand that John Yoo lose his tenure. Although Yoo ought to be far outside of the mainstream of American political thought, he simply isn't. The Democratic-led Congress yesterday just passed a bill by a wide margin that institutionalized Yoo's signature theory -- namely, that when the President orders something, then it is legal and proper, even if it's against what Congress calls "the law."
Why should we pretend that John Yoo is some sort of grotesque authoritarian aberration when his defining belief in presidential omnipotence is, to varying degrees, shared by the leaders of both parties? Yoo has long been mocked for his belief that the President -- simply by uttering the magical phrase "National Security" -- has the power to break the law, but Congress, yesterday, just passed a bill grounded in exactly that premise. There are many things that one can say about what the Democrats did yesterday. Claiming that they showed how "strong" they are, or avoided being depicted by Republicans as "weak," isn't one of them.
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The Art of the Possible, a blog of liberals and civil-liberties-minded libertarians, has an interview with Trevor Lyman and Rick Williams, the libertarians who are coordinating the Strange Bedfellows Money Bomb to hold accountable those responsible for yesterday's travesty and similar rule-of-law-destroying measures. The interview can be read here. Our campaign can be joined here or here. Relatedly, an ideologically diverse coalition has banded together to oppose a "Senate housing bill that would establish a mandatory fingerprint registry for many workers in the mortgage and real estate industries." I'm increasingly convinced that the effort to battle the growing lawlessness of our political class and the sprawling surveillance state that assaults core Constitutional liberties will come not from the Democratic Party, but from citizen coalitions of this sort. Does yesterday's episode allow any doubt about that?
I'll be on NPR's On Point this morning for an hour, beginning at 10:00 EST, to discuss the Obama campaign. That can be heard here. Digby has a very good analysis of the political foolishness of the strategy of Democrats generally and the Obama campaign specifically to win elections by repudiating their own supporters and moving as close as possible to Republicans.
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
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Show All"The Senate gave final approval on Wednesday to a major expansion of the government's surveillance powers, handing President Bush one more victory in a series of hard-fought clashes with Democrats over national security issues. . . ."
"Hard fought"!? Hardly. Like all of the previous Democratic "capitulations", it was much more of a cooperative, collaborative effort than a quivering, weak-kneed cave-in; that's simply a tiny fig leaf provided by the plutocratic junta to enable the Quislings to return to their Democratic precincts without being tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.
It's of singular interest that they no longer feel the need to maintain the elaborate pretense of "opposition" any longer.
Padraig Pearse July 10th, 2008 12:27 pm: "Like all of the previous Democratic "capitulations", it was much more of a cooperative, collaborative effort than a quivering, weak-kneed cave-in; that's simply a tiny fig leaf provided by the plutocratic junta to enable the Quislings to return to their Democratic precincts without being tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail."
I agree. I don't find the Democrats "weak" or "spineless". They are part of the most privileged one percent of American society with easy access to all the tools of education, media, and finance. Theirs (the Democrats) is an anodyne strategy of perpetual coalition rule by millionaires who are out of touch with the vast majority of Americans who would be appalled by what is going on if the mass media bothered to report it.
What needs to be done is not lose hope and accept the status quo of the misinformed but rather to find a way to get facts through the "reality firewall" that the Democrats and Republicans have erected.
Why Obama Kinda Likes the FISA Bill (But He Won't Come Out and Say It)
(posted by) JB
Emily Bazelon wonders, entirely correctly, why Barack Obama has been missing in action on the FISA compromise bill passed by the House today. Finally, the Obama campaign sent a lukewarm endorsement of the measure: As to the key reforms of FISA, the bill is an acceptable compromise, not perfect but the best one can do under the situation. As to the retroactive immunity for telecom companies, Obama says he will work to change that in the Senate.
What gives? Why did Obama stay silent for so long, and why did he finally offer such a muted response to the bill?
The answer is simple:
Barrack Obama plans to be the next President of the United States. Once he becomes President, he will be in the same position as George W. Bush: he wants all the power he needs to protect the country. Moreover, he will be the beneficiary of a Democratic-controlled Congress, and he wants to get some important legislation passed in his first two years in office.
Given these facts, why in the world would Obama oppose the current FISA compromise bill? If it's done on Bush's watch, he doesn't have to worry about wasting political capital on it in the next year. Perhaps it gives a bit too much power to the executive. But he plans to be the executive, and he can institute internal checks within the Executive Branch that can keep it from violating civil liberties as he understands them. And not to put too fine a point on it, once he becomes president, he will likely see civil liberties issues from a different perspective anyway.
So, in short, from Obama's perspective, what's not to like?
Most Americans don't realize that the FISA compromise comes in two parts. The first part greatly alters FISA by expanding the executive's ability to wiretap and engage in much broader searches of communications than were permissible under the law before. It essentially gives congressional blessing to some but not all of what the executive was doing under President Bush. President Obama will like having Congress authorize these new powers. He'll like it just fine. People aren't paying as much attention to this part of the bill. But they should, because it will define the law of surveillance going forward. It is where your civil liberties will be defined for the next decade.
Part II, by contrast, is the part that everyone has gotten up in arms about. It creates effective immunity for telecom companies. It makes perfect sense for Obama to criticize this part of the bill. That's because he doesn't need it as much as he needs the first part, and his base really really dislikes it. True, it might be nice to have retroactive immunity for the players who he will be working with in the future. But remember, he expects to be President, and he figures that his OLC and Justice Department can offer sufficient assurances of legality going forward based on the changes in the first part of the bill.
So, let's sum up: Congress gives the President new powers that Obama can use. Great. (This is change we can believe in). Obama doesn't have to expend any political capital to get these new powers. Also great. Finally, Obama can score points with his base by criticizing the retroactive immunity provisions, which is less important to him going forward than the new powers. Just dandy.
It should now be clear why the Obama campaign has taken the position it has taken. And given what I have just said, Obama's supporters should be pressing him less on the immunity provisions and more on the first part of the bill which completely rewrites FISA. Because, if he becomes president, he'll be the one applying and enforcing its provisions.
If you really care about civil liberties in the National Surveillance State, you have to recognize that both parties will be constructing its institutions. The next President will be a major player in its construction, as important if not more important than George W. Bush ever was. That President will want more authority to engage in surveillance, and he'll be delighted for Congress to give it to him officially.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-obama-kinda-likes-fisa-bill-but-he.html
Do we trust Obama or McCain? There is no other choice.
"Stooping to conquer" made for a delightful comedy of manners in the 18th century style of such plays, but it hardly is a way to be a responsible opposition.
'And the meek shall inherit the Oil Depleted, Environmentally Damaged, Climate Changed, Famined, Diseased, Politically Destabilized and War-ravaged Earth...'
The "posted by JB" comment posted by ezeflyer is a wonderful parody of both the pitfalls of unconditional positive regard for a candidate, and the perverse doublethink that praises Obama's supposed genius at practicing amoral, machiavellian tactics, yet implies that a Benevolent Unitary Executive, like a benevolent dictator, is both virtuous and desirable.
I especially like the bit about Obama "scoring points" with his base by criticizing the retroactive immunity he actually voted for-- as if his "base" consists entirely of enthralled ninnies who will not notice, or mind, his paying lip service to social justice and the rule of law while undermining it in practice. Funny stuff!
Yes, it's a fine satire-- but believe it or not, there are those who really think this way! And they're convinced that they have a logically sound and "common-sense" perspective.
Glenn Greenwald is right on. I saw the headline yesterday and thought to myself, "Why don't they just give Bush a crown and get it over with?"
I have really appreciated Greenwald's recent articles on CD, as well as his solution-oriented approach to dealing with the destruction of our Constitution. Lots of people are whining about it, but he's not only raising public awareness. He's doing something about it. His outrage is much appreciated, because the luke-warm apathy on this matter that I see all around me makes me sick. If the 4th Amendment goes by the wayside, nothing else will really matter. Anybody who challenges the status quo will have information gathered on them and will be blackmailed, or publicly humiliated and marginalized with anonymous disclosures of personal information.
All agents of change that fight against corrupt forces within the government will be targeted, leaving anyone who disagrees fearful of facing the same fate.
If you do not wish to live in a world driven by fear of your government, I urge you to join Mr. Greenwald's PAC.
Poor ezeflyer, whose pretensions to something more than mere sophistry, perhaps a willingness to open his crackerjack box hoping to find a pulitzer, is doomed to mediocrity and vacuous ratiocinations on his own self-important political opinions.
Please, let me sum this up. When ezeflyer is finally abducted by coneheaded aliens who actually like his little red wagon posturing, while attempting to weight lift his pablum to his mouth for the girls, the election will finally be finished. And thus another saga of political meandering can be duly recorded. Siigghhh.
ezeflyer -- What a strange posting.
Those of us who bring up the Fourth Amendment are well-aware of your Part I. The fact that Obama "likes it" is very illustrative of the kind of presidency he will bring.
"Congress gives the President new powers that Obama can use. Great. (This is change we can believe in). Obama doesn't have to expend any political capital to get these new powers. Also great."
It is good of you to show us your acceptance of a "National Surveillance State". (Assuming you are agreeing with your cut and paste.) Now we have some idea of the background to some of your opposition to comments here. (As a civic action, you might want to consider starting a movement to change the presidential oath of office.)
Please post a link where the Bush administration or Congress convinces you that warrantless surveillance is necessary. I haven't seen it. I mean, in discarding the Fourth Amendment, it seems we should have a *little* explanation beyond stop-thought "national security".
Also, there may be a bit of a logical problem here. What would you say if Obama opposed the FISA legislation? Would you say, "Obama, you are making a big mistake. You need this as a president in a National Surveillance State"? Are you truly an advocate of an authoritarian state divorced from the principles of personal freedom or are you letting Mr. Obama set your opinions?
It gets back to the truth that you refuse to accept: the Republicans and the Democrats (in the process of government by bribery and powerful military-industrial state) are both undermining every principle that is worthwhile and that ensures the soveregnty and dignity of individuals. It's not a happy situation. It's tough to break through, but the two side are not Democrats and Republicans. In this case, it's the National Surveillance State -please consider who benefits from that state - and opposition to it.
Authoritarianism and Gutlessness -- what a dynamic combination.
I love the intellectual contortions that some people subject themselves to in order to defend Obama's reversal on the reformed FISA bill. This approach achieves its fullest absurd expression in suggestions that--provided Obama rather than McCain wins the presidential election--the senate's passage of the FISA reforms isn't really something to be all that alarmed about. The implication is that Obama--should he win--will have a much more progressive stance on civil liberties than either Bush or his Republican successor McCain, so the expansion of the executive's power to engage in surveillance need not worry us.
This is--there's no other way to say it--the stupidest, most Pollyanish position one can have on this issue.
It essentially entrusts civil liberties protections to the executive branch, a position that expresses enormous (and unjustified) confidence in the executive branch's ability to be self-monitoring and self-restraining.
One can find fault with the founders on many things, but they were wise in this: they did not trust the executive branch to be able to exercise self-restraint. Instead, they did what they could to ensure that there would be a host of constraints on its power, especially in the areas of civil liberties.
On Wednesday, the Senate made a significant step toward declaring their wisdom to be foolishness in a post-9/11 world. And a young senator from Illinois and his party's nominee for president showed himself to be more concerned about winning an election than protecting the Constitution.
It would be helpful, Glenn, if you reminded readers that the New York Times sat on the story during the 2004 election. They did not release the information until December 2005 because this president asked them not to. the New York Times refused to do its duty as they knew full well that it would probably cost Bush the 2004 election.
Consider this a minor complaint, however. Your work on this subject has been overall magnificent!
BTW, Dodd and Finegold promised a filibuster. Did one take place? I have not seen any evidence that they did what they said they were going to do.
Rich,
Could they have not filibustered before cloture?
Ordinary people don't and cannot understand the kind of ambition that drives someone to want to be president. It's both a disease and a delusion. George Wanker Bush, like Hitler, is a sleepwalker. For him, being president is no different than being head cheerleader at Pol Pot University or the bartender at Hooters. Obama, unlike Bush, does not confuse mediocrity with greatness. But every time he slip-slides down the greasy pole of compromise, every time he fibs to himself about FISA or faith-based initiatives or whatever, all he's doing is giving us yet again another tiresome lesson in moral erosion. The volcanic ambition that propels Obama is the fundamental cause of this backsliding. There is no end to it. The brass ring is within reach and he will do anything and everything to grab it, all the while telling himself that he will be the next truly great president, the next Lincoln, the next FDR. Sure.
As I argued in another Glenn Greenwald post, if Obama had signaled his intent to vote against the FISA legislation, other Democrats would have come on board. It would have been a test of leadership. It would have exposed the Blue Dogs in the Senate. They would either have had to support Obama or support Bush. I am under no illusions that they would've vote for FISA anyway (at least most of them). But, Obama would have pulled the Oz drapery away and exposed them for what they are. He also would have learned whom he could count on once elected and whom he could not. Finally, yes, Obama would've faced a host of rightwing criticism (he has been through that and weathered it the first time, leading me to believe he would weather it again). In addition, he would've faced new financial hurdles as the telecomms would've used their largesse to attack him in 527s or other ways. But, be that as it may, Obama could simply say the law was unconstitutional and explain to Americans what the fourth amendment is all about. Americans are not stupid. They would've paid attention. And he would've won support for his integrity. Instead, he chose to squander it, and with his squandering, many of those who might be key supporters, like me, are going to walk away to vote for Nader, McKinney or Socialist Party candidate Brian Moore.
logrithmic -- It is my understanding that the specific purpose of a cloture vote is to prevent a filibuster. Feingold and Dodd probably spoke against the bill, but that's it.
I totally agree with you, Mordechai. I'm just shocked the capitulation happened so quickly.
Certainly you should be able to filibuster prior to the cloture vote. Why wasn't this done? It's my understanding that cloture normally takes place after a filibuster is in session.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm
From link:
"Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the current one hundred senators."
"The answer should be obvious: we should trust neither of them. And it's only the case that "there is no other choice" for as long as people keep saying & believing this."
You're right. There is no other choice as long as people keep saying and believing this. But for this election at least, they will.
I've had it. I can't take any more of Bush/McCain/Republican rule. The thought of it makes me ill. I would vote for Caligula if he was the only other choice because he would be the lesser evil.
I voted for Ralph and I would love to vote for him again. But he can't win now in this country. To think so is self-delusional.
I'll vote for Obama because he can win. Then I'll vote for the few progressive Dems I can and for Greens in safe states.
Obama is at least intelligent and that puts him closer to the truth than his opponent because intelligent people tend to be more intellectually honest.
Though I disparage his idea that we should look at nuclear energy, he has a great environmental voting record with the League of Conservation voters, where McCain's is among the worst.
Obama has my benefit of the doubt.
@logrithmic:
This is tricky, but here goes.
Once cloture is invoked, the senate rules state that a day (and a maximum of 30 hours) must elapse before a vote on cloture is taken. During those 30 hours, senators have only 1 hour apiece alloted in which to continue debate. Senators can of course yield their time to another senator per the normal rules.
At the end of the 30 hour period, a vote on cloture is taken. This is what happened in the case of the FISA reform. Cloture was invoked prior to any efforts at filibustering, and once invoked the senate rules were clear about how things would proceed (30 hours later there would be a vote, and no filibusters could be attempted during this thirty hour period as a way of preventing a cloture vote from happening).
Does that make sense?
Eric,
It makes sense. But I wonder why the filibuster wasn't started before cloture was invoked. After all, Finegold and Dodd, et. al., had weeks to prepare for this fight and yet rolled over (sans speeches).
One thing that really bothers me is that Republicans are always able to filibuster or even threaten one and successfully derail legislation. But the gutless, spineless Democrats roll over without a fight. It will do no good to put 60 Democrats in the Senate if 23 of them vote Republican on matters of national security, illegal activity, corporate malfeasance, and war.
Cowards and traitors. Look closely. That confetti they throw in celebration is the shredded Constitution.
Obama's integrity is all tapped out - He had me at hope and change. He lost me with lies and deceit.
logrithmic,
I agree that it is strange. I have no idea why Feingold and Dodd did not proceed with the threatened filibuster. After all, they were confirmed as planning to do this as late as June 24, 2008.
Perhaps they had advanced word of the fact that they would not have the 41 senators needed to maintain it, I don't know.
I certainly don't fault them, however. Everyone who has ever voted for a Democrat however should never forget the 21 Democrats who voted with all the non-abstaining Senate Republicans for passage of the bill.
Why no Republicans voted against it is another matter, but no one should forget them either. "July 9's infamous 69" is how they should all (Dems and Repubs) be set down in the annals.
Eric,
You and I part company on the "fault" issue. A filibuster is news. To my knowledge, not a single network news show said anything about this bill prior to its passage. This means that the U.S. population was completely unaware that it was up for a vote and could not register their "aye" or "nay" with their representative.
That being said, we do agree that the twenty or so Democraps that voted for the bill deserve to be forever enshrined on a wall of infamy. Here are their names:
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Anybody but McCain.
Why does anyone imagine that Democrats are less beholden to the Military Industrial Complex than Republicans? I mean, duh!
I don't know for how long Republicans have voted as a reliable bloc -- clones of Republican Presidents. Certainly, nowadays, one never has to scan a roll call to find even one Republican with the rare combination of both guts and a brain. On the other hand, having looked for Democrats with guts and brains to seize an opportunity to unite to make a Democratic/democratic statement on important bills in opposition to a very lame duck President, one looks in vain. Someday I hope a political wiseman or wisewoman, perhaps a psychiatrist, will explain to us why Democrats are incapable of cohesion for the common good -- for democracy -- for the will of the people.
Of course, one explanation is that some of the so-called Democrats are really Republicans who found it expedient at a certain time to run for office as a "conservative" Democrat in a generally conservative Republican state. See Ben Nelson of Nebraska, who never votes Democratic. Any roll call will give you the usual Democratic suspects: Bayh, Landrieu, Lincoln, Bill Nelson of Florida, Pryor, Salazar. But why would Webb, Whitehouse, Rockefeller, Mikulski, Feinstein, and, of course, Obama cross over to please a boy-king and help eviscerate the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
It is beyond frustrating: It's indefensible!
Obama commits suicide on Senate floor.
Oh stop the anybody but republican nonsense. Obama, like Clinton, will be just as horrible for the oppressed people of the world. Stop lying to yourself.
His record and rhetoric speak for itself. Obama, though he isn't as enthusiastic about it, will have us in Iraq 100 years as well. Why? Need to fight the boogeyman! Terrorists! (But NEVER, EVER, advocate IMPEACHING them)
Little typo in the excerpts Mr. Greenwald used --
NYT's Lichtblau sez: "The vote came two and a half years after public disclosure of the wiretapping program set off a fierce national debate ..."
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That should read, "...a fierce national yawn ..."
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I don't know for how long Republicans have voted as a reliable bloc — clones of Republican Presidents. Certainly, nowadays, one never has to scan a roll call to find even one Republican with the rare combination of both guts and a brain. On the other hand, having looked for Democrats with guts and brains to seize an opportunity to unite to make a Democratic/democratic statement on important bills in opposition to a very lame duck President, one looks in vain. Someday I hope a political wiseman or wisewoman, perhaps a psychiatrist, will explain to us why Democrats are incapable of cohesion for the common good — for democracy — for the will of the people.
Of course, one explanation is that some of the so-called Democrats are really Republicans who found it expedient at a certain time to run for office as a "conservative" Democrat in a generally conservative Republican state. See Ben Nelson of Nebraska, who never votes Democratic. Any roll call will give you the usual Democratic suspects: Bayh, Landrieu, Lincoln, Bill Nelson of Florida, Pryor, Salazar. But why would Webb, Whitehouse, Rockefeller, Mikulski, Feinstein, and, of course, Obama cross over to please a boy-king and help eviscerate the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
It is beyond frustrating: It's indefensible!
Poet July 10th, 2008 1:08 pm
"Stooping to conquer" made for a delightful comedy of manners in the 18th century style of such plays, but it hardly is a way to be a responsible opposition.
A cogent comment for one.
The only blow job permissible on Capital Hill is if the Democratic congress fellatiates George.
However, if you use your office to tender the same service from a political aid...
Remember, only mass blow jobs are allowed in our national political arena.
Prostitute: one who accepts monetary payment in exchange for sexual activities.
Democrat: One who lies down to get screwed, and collects a fat paycheck afterwards. See 'prostitute'.
Hell hath no fury like a left wing conservative scorned, unless its a republican pretending to be one.
We're not sure about Obama, though some of the more agitated here seem to be. But can anyone blame a Dem politician for selling out when all progs have to offer is demands, insults and grief while the right will let them have everything, sometimes including their lives?
In my two cents worth, I've posted that the oligarchy will always find ways to subvert our system of representative government. They designed it that way.
I don't think that voting for Obama is the definitive answer. I think Direct democracy is. The oligarchy has set it up so that he couldn't change much if he tried. But if and until we get the referendum, I need a break from the Bush/McCain/Republican troglodytes and Obama is the only one to give me that audacity of hope.
Obama tapped out my remaining hope when he joined the Bush and Cheney crew to trample the Constitution. I could have forgiven him much else, but not that. It is my line in the sand and he crossed it.
I am no leftist purist, but I cannot trust anyone who will not uphold our laws and our rights under the Constitution. If you're not outraged, I do not understand why you aren't. He didn't even have to do this. Only 4% of the American people say terrorism is their biggest concern.
Greenwald is the only writer who is speaking my language these days. What more does it take for people to realize we the people have lost it all???? All we have is each other. The thugs at the top have written us off as irrelevant and expendable.
I'm not outraged enough to let McCain/Bush Repugs win, are you?
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S T A R O F T H E S E A,
I left you a poem
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« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Here's Baracks own words on the bow.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/
I don't see any true explanation and certainly no explanation as to what changed since his big filibuster statement.
I'm a realist and understand that the multitudes are idiots and the MSM is on the opposition and that he needs to win to create change, but this stumps me. Don't see any explanation for it pragmatically.
Drop AT&T if you haven't already. Here I was hoping for a check, since I'm sure they had my line taped recorded. All the clicking was to the point no one wanted to talk to me anymore. Then the story broke and I switched to Qwest and instantly no more clicking.
"I'm not outraged enough to let McCain/Bush Repugs win, are you?"
Since all the "Repugs" voted the same as Obama, and McC didn't vote at all, I'm going to say no.
Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. Look at one of the only dems with any balls to stand against the establishment since WW2, and he got whacked.
This whole "unless they do everything in a utopian perfect ultra progressive manner, they don't deserve my vote." thing sounds like young kids posting.
We just got out of apartheid about 50 years ago and women started voting for the first time in Switzerland for the 1st time in the 70s. We're not that an advanced society yet. It has never been perfect and probably never will be, but we need to progress even if it's 2 steps forward one step back. even if it's just a little better, in the long run it is the progression of mankind, and a realistic one.
Will they stop pandering to the middle after the election? Probably.
Will they be all that Nader and Kucinich promised they would be? Hell no.
But with a dem congress and executive and keeping the Supreme Court form going straight to hell and make it 2 vs 1, I'll still take the bowing asshole, and dream of a day when a Nader or Kucinich will be running the show.
Is it possible? Hell yes, Europe has been pretty close to descent democracies in the near past.
Is it possible that WW3 and a self-fulfilling christian-right nightmare is on the horizon? Yep, then we're all screwed.
(shit, sorry, just realized this sounds like rumsfeld's speaking M.O.)
Here's Baracks own words on the bow.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/
P.S. the last I looked, there was over 2500 comments to this post, yet I am unable to access the comments page, as if it's been locked.
Can anyone else open the comments?
The Democratic Congress's new slogan should be, "You got to give head to get ahead".
So that's what this is all about !OBAMA is likened to the Palm tree that can bend to the ground,
whilst the might Oak is torn asunder and
uprooted ( unceremoniously )
Grab your ankles and get practicing the "OBAMA BOHICA BOW" with your palms on the floor, if possible.B _end
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H _ere
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C _omes
A _gain
The Democrats on Capitol Hill are not afraid of Bush. The Democrats on Capitol Hill are employees of Bush.
Use Occam's Razor. Bush operatives are bribing them.
Feinstein (D-CA) Gun control priestess guts Fourth Amendment...Big Surprise
Lieberman (ID-CT)- Whining Neo-con scum...Bush's best friend on Capitol Hill
Obama (D-IL) -So much for principles from our next President. God help us.
Rockefeller (D-WV)- Of course HE's going to favor a police state...
veracity---thanks for the lovely poem. I was not allowed to respond at the article you posted it on so I do here now hoping you'll come back and see it.
It is very hard these days to see the LIGHT as a powerful force. Discouragement follows closely on the heels of much of this discourse. I probably should find a way to write to you and few other kindred souls directly, and skip this forum.
There just isn't much here to celebrate except posters like you. It's just not good for any of us to see all too clearly what the darkness has wrought, and then simply share our collective disdain and disgust. Feels like we are digging a deep hole.
Blessings!
Char
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