Reality Bites Back
Why the US Won't Attack Iran
It's been on the minds of antiwar activists and war critics since 2003. And little wonder. If you don't remember the pre-invasion of Iraq neocon quip, "Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran..." -- then take notice. Even before American troops entered Iraq, knocking off Iran was already "Regime Change: The Sequel." It was always on the Bush agenda and, for a faction of the administration led by Vice President Cheney, it evidently still is.
Add to that a series of provocative statements by President Bush, the Vice President, and other top U.S. officials and former officials. Take Cheney's daughter Elizabeth, who recently sent this verbal message to the Iranians: "[D]espite what you may be hearing from Congress, despite what you may be hearing from others in the administration who might be saying force isn't on the table... we're serious." Asked about an Israeli strike on Iran, she said: "I certainly don't think that we should do anything but support them." Similarly, former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton suggested that the Bush administration might launch an Iranian air assault in its last, post-election weeks in office.
Consider as well the evident relish with which the President and other top administration officials regularly refuse to take "all options" off that proverbial "table" (at which no one bothers to sit down to talk). Throw into the mix semi-official threats, warnings, and hair-raising leaks from Israeli officials and intelligence types about Iran's progress in producing a nuclear weapon and what Israel might do about it. Then there were those recent reports on a "major" Israeli "military exercise" in the Mediterranean that seemed to prefigure a future air assault on Iran. ("Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military's capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran's nuclear program.")
From the other side of the American political aisle comes a language hardly less hair-raising, including Hillary Clinton's infamous comment about how the U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran (in response to a hypothetical Iranian nuclear attack on Israel). Congressman Ron Paul recently reported that fellow representatives "have openly voiced support for a pre-emptive nuclear strike" on Iran, while the resolution soon to come before the House (H.J. Res. 362), supported by Democrats as well as Republicans, urges the imposition of the kind of sanctions and a naval blockade on Iran that would be tantamount to a declaration of war.
Stir in a string of new military bases the U.S. has been building within miles of the Iranian border, the repeated crescendos of U.S. military charges about Iranian-supplied weapons killing American soldiers in Iraq, and the revelation by Seymour Hersh, our premier investigative reporter, that, late last year, the Bush administration launched -- with the support of the Democratic leadership in Congress -- a $400 million covert program "designed to destabilize [Iran's] religious leadership," including cross-border activities by U.S. Special Operations Forces and a low-level war of terror through surrogates in regions where Baluchi and Ahwazi Arab minorities are strongest. (Precedents for this terror campaign include previous CIA-run campaigns in Afghanistan in the 1980s, using car bombs and even camel bombs against the Russians, and in Iraq in the 1990s, using car bombs and other explosives in an attempt to destabilize Saddam Hussein's regime.)
Add to this combustible mix the unwillingness of the Iranians to suspend their nuclear enrichment activities, even for a matter of weeks, while negotiating with the Europeans over their nuclear program. Throw in as well various threats from Iranian officials in response to the possibility of a U.S. or Israeli attack on their nuclear facilities, and any number of other alarums, semi-official predictions ("A senior defense official told ABC News there is an 'increasing likelihood' that Israel will carry out such an attack..."), reports, rumors, and warnings -- and it's hardly surprising that the political Internet has been filled with alarming (as well as alarmist) pieces claiming that an assault on Iran may be imminent.
Seymour Hersh, who certainly has his ear to the ground in Washington, has publicly suggested that an Obama victory might be the signal for the Bush administration to launch an air campaign against that country. As Jim Lobe of Inter Press Service has pointed out, there have been a number of "public warnings by U.S. hawks close to Cheney's office that either the Israelis or the U.S. would attack Iran between the November elections and the inaugural of a new president in January 2009."
Given the Bush administration's "preventive war" doctrine which has opened the way for the launching of wars without significant notice or obvious provocation, and the penchant of its officials to ignore reality, all of this should frighten anyone. In fact, it's not only war critics who are increasingly edgy. In recent months, jumpy (and greedy) commodity traders, betting on a future war, have boosted these fears. (Every bit of potential bad news relating to Iran only seems to push the price of a barrel of oil further into the stratosphere.) And mainstream pundits and journalists are increasingly joining them.
No wonder. It's a remarkably frightening scenario, and, if there's one lesson this administration has taught us these last years, it's that nothing's "off the table," not for officials who, only a few years ago, believed themselves capable of creating their own reality and imposing it on the planet. An "unnamed Administration official" -- generally assumed to be Karl Rove -- famously put it this way to journalist Ron Suskind back in October 2004:
"[He] said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors.... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"
A Future Global Oil Shock
Nonetheless, sometimes -- as in Iraq -- reality has a way of biting back, no matter how mad or how powerful the imperial dreamer. So, let's consider reality for a moment. When it comes to Iran, reality means oil and natural gas. These days, any twitch of trouble, or potential trouble, affecting the petroleum market, no matter how minor -- from Mexico to Nigeria -- forces the price of oil another bump higher.
Possessing the world's second largest reserves of oil and natural gas, Iran is no speed bump on the energy map. The National Security Network, a group of national security experts, estimates that the Bush administration's policy of bluster, threat, and intermittent low-level actions against Iran has already added a premium of $30-$40 to every $140 barrel of oil. Then there was the one-day $11 spike after Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz suggested that an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities was "unavoidable."
Given that, let's imagine, for a moment, what almost any version of an air assault -- Israeli, American, or a combination of the two -- would be likely to do to the price of oil. When asked recently by Brian Williams on NBC Nightly News about the effects of an Israeli attack on Iran, correspondent Richard Engel responded: "I asked an oil analyst that very question. He said, 'The price of a barrel of oil? Name your price: $300, $400 a barrel.'" Former CIA official Robert Baer suggested in Time Magazine that such an attack would translate into $12 gas at the pump. ("One oil speculator told me that oil would hit $200 a barrel within minutes.")
Those kinds of price leaps could take place in the panic that preceded any Iranian response. But, of course, the Iranians, no matter how badly hit, would be certain to respond -- by themselves and through proxies in the region in a myriad of possible ways. Iranian officials have regularly been threatening all sorts of hell should they be attacked, including "blitzkrieg tactics" in the region. Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari typically swore that his country would "react fiercely, and nobody can imagine what would be the reaction of Iran." The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, Mohammed Jafari, said: "Iran's response to any military action will make the invaders regret their decision and action." ("Mr. Jafari had already warned that if attacked, Iran would launch a barrage of missiles at Israel and close the Strait of Hormuz, the outlet for oil tankers leaving the Persian Gulf.") Ali Shirazi, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's representative to the Revolutionary Guards, offered the following: "The first bullet fired by America at Iran will be followed by Iran burning down its vital interests around the globe."
Let's take a moment to imagine just what some of the responses to any air assault might be. The list of possibilities is nearly endless and many of them would be hard even for the planet's preeminent military power to prevent. They might include, as a start, the mining of the Strait of Hormuz, through which a significant portion of the world's oil passes, as well as other disruptions of shipping in the region. (Don't even think about what would happen to insurance rates for oil tankers!)
In addition, American troops on their mega-bases in Iraq, rather than being a powerful force in any attack -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has already cautioned President Bush that Iraqi territory cannot be used to attack Iran -- would instantly become so many hostages to Iranian actions, including the possible targeting of those bases by missiles. Similarly, U.S. supply lines for those troops, running from Kuwait past the southern oil port of Basra might well become hostages of a different sort, given the outrage that, in Shiite regions of Iraq, would surely follow an attack. Those lines would assumedly not be impossible to disrupt.
Imagine, as well, what possible disruptions of the modest Iraqi oil supply might mean in the chaos of the moment, with Iranian oil already off the market. Then consider what the targeting of even small numbers of Iranian missiles on the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil fields could do to global oil markets. (It might not even matter whether they actually hit anything.) And that, of course, just scratches the surface of the range of retaliatory possibilities available to Iranian leaders.
Looked at another way, Iran is a weak regional power (which hasn't invaded another country in living memory) that nonetheless retains a remarkable capacity to inflict grievous harm locally, regionally, and globally.
Such a scenario would result in a global oil shock of almost inconceivable proportions. For any American who believes that he or she is experiencing "pain at the pump" right now, just wait until you experience what a true global oil shock would involve.
And that's without even taking into consideration what spreading chaos in the oil heartlands of the planet might mean, or what might happen if Hezbollah or Hamas took action of any sort against Israel, and Israel responded. Mohamed ElBaradei, the sober-minded head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, considering the situation, said the following: "A military strike, in my opinion, would be worse than anything possible. It would turn the region into a fireball..."
This, then, is the baseline for any discussion of an attack on Iran. This is reality, and it has to be daunting for an administration that already finds itself militarily stretched to the limit, unable even to find the reinforcements it wants to send into Afghanistan.
Can Israel Attack Iran?
Let's leave to the experts the question of whether Israel could actually launch an effective air strike against Iranian nuclear facilities on its own -- about which there are grave doubts. And let's instead try to imagine what it would mean for Israel to launch such an assault (egged on by the Vice President's faction in the U.S. government) in the last months, or even weeks, of the second term of an especially lame lame-duck President and an historically unpopular administration.
From Iran's foreign minister, we already know that the Iranians would treat an Israeli attack as if it were an American one, whether or not American planes were involved -- and little wonder. For one thing, Israeli planes heading for Iran would undoubtedly have to cross Iraqi air space, at present controlled by the United States, not the nearly air-force-less Maliki government. (In fact, in Status of Forces Agreement negotiations with the Iraqis, the Bush administration has demanded that the U.S. retain control of that air space, up to 29,000 feet, after December 31, 2008, when the U.N. mandate runs out.)
In other words, on the eve of the arrival of a new American administration, Israel, a small, vulnerable Middle Eastern state deeply reliant on its American alliance, would find itself responsible for starting an American war (associated with a Vice President of unparalleled unpopularity) and for a global oil shock of staggering proportions, if not a global great depression. It would also be the proximate cause for a regional "fireball." (Oil-poor Israel would undoubtedly also be economically wounded by its own strike.)
In addition, the latest American National Intelligence Estimate on Iran concluded that the Iranians stopped weaponizing parts of their nuclear program back in 2003, and American intelligence reputedly doubts recent Israeli warnings that Iran is on the verge of a bomb. Of course, Israel itself has an estimated -- though unannounced -- nuclear force of about 200 such weapons.
Simply put, it is next to inconceivable that the present riven Israeli government would be politically capable of launching such an attack on Iran on its own, or even in combination with only a faction, no matter how important, in the U.S. government. And such a point is more or less taken for granted by many Israelis (and Iranians). Without a full-scale "green light" from the Bush administration, launching such an attack could be tantamount to long-term political suicide.
Only in conjunction with an American attack would an Israeli attack (rash to the point of madness even then) be likely. So let's turn to the Bush administration and consider what might be called the Hersh scenario.
Will the Bush administration Attack Iran If Obama Is Elected?
The first problem is a simple one. Oil, which was at $146 a barrel last week, dropped to $136 (in part because of a statement by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissing "the possibility that war with the United States and Israel was imminent"), and, on Wednesday rose a dollar to $137 in reaction to Iranian missile tests. But, whatever its immediate zigs and zags, the overall pattern of the price of oil seems clear enough. Some suggest that, by the time of any Obama victory, a barrel of crude oil will be at $170. The chairman of the giant Russian oil monopoly Gazprom recently predicted that it would hit $250 within 18 months -- and that's without an attack on Iran.
For those eager to launch a reasonably no-pain campaign against Iran, the moment is already long gone. Every leap in the price of oil only emphasizes the pain to come. In turn, that means, with every passing day, it's madder -- and harder -- to launch such an attack. There is already significant opposition within the administration; the American people, feeling pain, are unprepared for and, as polls indicate, massively unwilling to sanction such an attack. There can be no question that the Bush legacy, such as it is, would be secured in infamy forever and a day.
Now, consider recent administration actions on North Korea. Facing a "reality" that first-term Bush officials would have abjured, the President and his advisors not only negotiated with that nuclearized Axis of Evil nation, but are now removing it from the Trading with the Enemy Act list and the State Sponsor of Terrorism list. No matter what steps Kim Jong Il's regime has taken, including blowing up the cooling tower at the Yongbyon reactor, this is nothing short of a stunning reversal for this administration. An angry John Bolton, standing in for the Cheney faction, compared what happened to a "police truce with the Mafia." And Vice President Cheney's anger over the decision -- and the policy -- was visible and widely reported.
It's possible, of course, that Cheney and associates are simply holding their fire for what they care most about, but here's another question that needs to be considered: Does George W. Bush actually support his imperial Vice President in the manner he once did? There's no way to know, but Bush has always been a more important figure in the administration than many critics like to imagine. The North Korean decision indicates that Cheney may not have a free hand from the President on Iran policy either.
The Adults in the Room
And what about the opposition? I'm not talking about those of us out here who would oppose such a strike. I mean within the world of Bush's Washington. Forget the Democrats. They hardly count and, as Hersh has pointed out, their leadership already signed off on that $400 million covert destabilization campaign.
I mean the adults in the room, who have been in short supply indeed these last years in the Bush administration, specifically Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen. (Condoleezza Rice evidently falls into this camp as well, although she's proven herself something of a President-enabling nonentity over the years.)
With former Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, Gates tellingly co-chaired a task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations back in 2004 which called for negotiations with Iran. He arrived at the Pentagon early in 2007 as an envoy from the world of George H.W. Bush and as a man on a mission. He was there to staunch the madness and begin the clean up in the imperial Augean stables.
In his Congressional confirmation hearings, he was absolutely clear: any attack on Iran would be a "very last resort." Sometimes, in the bureaucratic world of Washington, a single "very" can tell you what you need to know. Until then, administration officials had been referring to an attack on Iran simply as a "last resort." He also offered a bloodcurdling scenario for what the aftermath of such an American attack might be like:
"It's always awkward to talk about hypotheticals in this case. But I think that while Iran cannot attack us directly militarily, I think that their capacity to potentially close off the Persian Gulf to all exports of oil, their potential to unleash a significant wave of terror both in the -- well, in the Middle East and in Europe and even here in this country is very real... Their ability to get Hezbollah to further destabilize Lebanon I think is very real. So I think that while their ability to retaliate against us in a conventional military way is quite limited, they have the capacity to do all of the things, and perhaps more, that I just described."
And perhaps more... That puts it in a nutshell.
Hersh, in his most recent piece on the administration's covert program in Iran, reports the following:
"A Democratic senator told me that, late last year, in an off-the-record lunch meeting, Secretary of Defense Gates met with the Democratic caucus in the Senate. (Such meetings are held regularly.) Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preemptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.' Gates's comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch."
In other words, back in 2007, early and late, our new secretary of defense managed to sound remarkably like one of those Iranian officials issuing warnings. Gates, who has a long history as a skilled Washington in-fighter, has once again proven that skill. So far, he seems to have outmaneuvered the Cheney faction.
The March "resignation" of CENTCOM commander Admiral William J. Fallon, outspokenly against an administration strike on Iran, sent both a shiver of fear through war critics and a new set of attack scenarios coursing through the political Internet, as well as into the world of the mainstream media. As reporter Jim Lobe points out at his invaluable Lobelog blog, however, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Gates's man in the Pentagon, has proven nothing short of adamant when it comes to the inadvisabilty of attacking Iran.
His recent public statements have actually been stronger than Fallon's (and the position he fills is obviously more crucial than CENTCOM commander). Lobe comments that, at a July 2nd press conference at the Pentagon, Mullen "repeatedly made clear that he opposes an attack on Iran -- whether by Israel or his own forces -- and, moreover, favors dialogue with Tehran, without the normal White House nuclear preconditions."
Mullen, being an adult, has noticed the obvious. As columnist Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Constitution put the matter recently: "A U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear installations would create trouble that we aren't equipped to handle easily, not with ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, drove that point home in a press conference last week at the Pentagon."
The Weight of Reality
Here's the point: Yes, there is a powerful faction in this administration, headed by the Vice President, which has, it seems, saved its last rounds of ammunition for a strike against Iran. The question, of course, is: Are they still capable of creating "their own reality" and imposing it, however briefly, on the planet? Every tick upwards in the price of oil says no. Every day that passes makes an attack on Iran harder to pull off.
On this subject, panic may be everywhere in the world of the political Internet, and even in the mainstream, but it's important not to make the mistake of overestimating these political actors or underestimating the forces arrayed against them. It's a reasonable proposition today -- as it wasn't perhaps a year ago -- that, whatever their desires, they will not, in the end, be able to launch an attack on Iran; that, even where there's a will, there may not be a way.
They would have to act, after all, against the unfettered opposition of the American people; against leading military commanders who, even if obliged to follow a direct order from the President, have other ways to make their wills known; against key figures in the administration; and, above all, against reality which bears down on them with a weight that is already staggering -- and still growing.
And yet, of course, for the maddest gamblers and dystopian dreamers in our history, never say never.
Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com. The World According to TomDispatch: America in the New Age of Empire (Verso, 2008), a collection of some of the best pieces from his site, has just been published. Focusing on what the mainstream media hasn't covered, it is an alternative history of the mad Bush years. A brief video in which Engelhardt discusses American mega-bases in Iraq can be viewed by clicking here.
Copyright 2008 Tom Engelhardt
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and i thought i could rest
biding my time
judging damned from the blessed
when all of my children
get put through this test
the poison's been swallowed
no antidote known
now i'm so sorry
now i'm alone
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Read the article and almost all of the comments here. Call me crazy, but I believe that most folks are missing the fact of what George H.W. Bush referred to as the "New World Order." Cheney, Bush and the neo-cons in America do nothing without the backing and go-ahead from those who really run the world - the folks who own/control all the banks and financial systems: they control all the money, own all of the gold and control the wealth of the world.
These people do not care how many "innocent civilians" would die in the conflagration that would follow an attack on Iran by Israel or the US. They will reap the bounty of what is left of the world's resources oil and otherwise, and as the expressions goes "laugh all the way to the bank" - which for them is where they live.
The current financial difficulties in the US have been manipulated by this international financial cabal (Fed, World Bank, IMF, WTO, major global corporations and all the rest of the alphabet) as the precusor to destroying America in order to access the remaining wealth and to indicate what would happen to any other countries who have not yet acceded to their wishes. (This includes never-ending war [you know the military-industrial complex DDE warned about], the decline of the dollar as world reserve currency, the crash of the mortgage market and the decline of the stock market, etc.)
So, I'm thinking we'll see some kind of new military action in the near future that will a) allow the takeover of Iran's oil reserves, and b) enable Cheney to declare a state of emergency in the US and cancel elections and impose martial law. I believe the expression is "we're screwed!"
Isreal will attack Iran, probably in August or September. Cant have it happen too close to the elections tho, would look too obvious. They will do so, and McCain will win
DiabloRojo [July 11th, 2008 6:23 am] wrote: "That "skinny little kid" as you term him, wasn't from Chicago; he was from Kenya-the African continent. Got that???"
Actually, Obama was born in 1961 on American soil, in Hawaii, which became a US state in 1959. His father was born in Kenya.
KEM PATRICK [July 12th, 2008 10:52 am] most people these days forget the infamous 'Rape of Nanking' China in 1937, one example of the Japanese Empire's brutality to the Chinese and Koreans -- whom the Japanese considered racially inferior -- prior to the Pearl Harbor attack. Interestingly, the Japanese Empire was using a name for its enslavement and plundering of the continental Asians that sounds very similar to something a Bush neocon might concoct: the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Except the 'prosperity' all went to Japan.
KEM PATRICK [July 12th, 2008 11:23 am], there have already been incursions into Iran by US-backed groups, US special forces, and flagrant violations of Iranian airspace [1], yet the Iranians have refused to take the bait and fight back. There was also that 'incident' in January 2008 of Iranian speedboats supposedly 'threatening' to blow up US Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz which later turned out to be questionable [2]. The Mullahs aren't as crazy and stupid as the Bush neocons -- they don't intend to strike back unless there is a massive full-scale bombing. In the meantime, other forces, such as the EU, China, Japan, Russia, global corporate interests and even the US military itself, will forestall the Cheneyites and Israel from launching an all-out aerial attack. A war with Iran would be disastrous for all of those disparate factions.
[1] "The US War with Iran has Already Begun" by Scott Ritter:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-31.htm
[2] "U.S. Navy Unsure Iranians Made Threat" by Sharon Weinberger:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/01/us-navy-unsure.html
I corrected that prior post to say, "Japan MAY have tested an atomic bomb", the correction didn't correct. So now it's corrected ____ if this post shows up.
A war with Iran is QUITE possible. It would most likely begin accidenlty for any of several reasons. Any time you have people armed and prepared for war, an incident could occur that would set it off. it could be likened to armed people in a night club or bar and grill on a hot, full moon, Saturday night in August.
For just ONE example, if the Iranians suspected they were about to be attacked, and since they have been threatened with such on numerous occasions, by us and Isreal, even by the VP's daughter for Christ sake, they may use their highly effective Russian or Chinese manufactured "anti-ship" missiles on some of our aircraft carriers or other warships stationed on full war time alert in THEIR coastal waters.
__KABOOM !!!___ That would start a war if one of our ships were seriously damaged or sunk. ___ Bet on it.
I do recall, we once accidently shot down an Iranian airliner which was full of innocent civilians. It was "THOUGHT TO BE", an Iranian F-114, which was about to attack one of our hi-tech "see all-know it all" destroyers. Why in hell did they have a fleet of our super duper F-114s in the first place?
That old saying, "Shit happens", all too frequently does happen. We should get our stupid asses out of there, quit wasting money and fuel for nothing productive and "chit chat" with their leaders.
Didn't our latest "authorative" NIE report, state Iran had no atomic weapons program either now nor would they have anytime soon? What is the NIE report for? Oh never mind, I forgot, it's for Bush to have altered at his discretion.
To ~KENT SHAW~ July 10th 1:17pm.
Indeed we did stop selling scrap iron, etc to Japan. ___ Why?___
It was because Japan HAD STARTED A WAR with North Korea and China and threatened to extend their war into ALL of SE Asia, Manchuria and India. JAPAN STARTED THE WAR and alligned with Germany and Italy.
Japan desired the raw materials necessay to build fleets of naval warships, aircraft an nuclear weapons and they didn't want to pay for them, They wanted to take them and so they did.
Japan's nuclear weapons program? Indeed, and they tested their first atomic bomb a few days after we dropped the first one on Hiroshima. They came very close to using that weapon first adn Truman annd his staff were aware of it. ____ Here is the link.
http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=2100
Also Google _____ German sub U-234
Good article by Tom Englehardt, but he left out an important part of the equation that would prevent BushCo from attacking Iran, touched on by alexnosal [July 10th, 2008 5:18 pm], SallyUUKent [July 10th, 2008 5:23 pm] and Samski [July 10th, 2008 6:48 pm]:
The Bush Administration, deeply in debt, is currently borrowing about $2 billion a day from overseas, most of it from China and Japan, to keep our economy, and the US war machine, afloat.
China and Japan get much of their oil from Iran. Should Iran stop shipping oil, which they would if attacked, the economies of both Asian nations would be disastrously affected and they would be forced to stop manufacturing cheap junk for our consumers, so major US corporations such as Wal-Mart would lose massive amounts of money, as would Big Oil since Americans would not be able to afford to drive their cars, SUVs and light trucks on the $10 or $12-a-gallon gas that would be the inevitable result of such an attack. Not to mention the unprecedented soaring costs of other consumer goods, including food. The dollar would be nearly worthless, and all of these corporate backers of BushCo would be losing large chunks of money, as would the Bush and Cheney families themselves. Israel would also be out of luck, as the US would have no more money to send them and would be forced to withdraw our military forces from the Middle East. It would be the end of the Republican Party in this country and Bush and Cheney would be fortunate if they could escape the angry mobs here to hide in some 'undisclosed location' overseas. (It wouldn't be in Saudi Arabia, as the Bush-friendly royal family would be overthrown, backed by weapons from Iran.)
The Bush Regime may be crazy, but they're not THAT crazy, and I'm confident China and Japan have already informed the White House and Israel via back channels that any attack on Iran is 'off the table.'
What we are witnessing now is the empty chest-beating of the formerly potent potentates, now rendered eunuchs by events beyond their control -- the neocons were never very good at appreciating or containing the blowback to their actions -- and the continued GOP use of the 'war card' to scare up a few votes in November.
david.peace2002 [July 10th, 2008 5:35 pm], you're right, but we're trying to look at it from the Bush/Cheney perspective -- obviously, they have no regard for human life or suffering.
TSS [July 10th, 2008 7:26 pm], what you say is true, but money rules the rulers in Washington and the Middle East, not religion. Religion is only a screen to sucker the faithful while they plunder for profit.
One note on the recent Iran missile tests: Iran tested short-range tactical missiles, except one medium-range launch that did not have the distance to reach Israel. All of the overheated rhetoric by our Big Media yesterday that they tested long-range missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv was sheer nonsense. Just more fearmongering to help the GOP and McCain.
Sadly, I have to agree that I think reason and logic have nothing to do with this -have they ever been within a stone's throw of anything this admin. has done? Likewise, given the immediate glazing over of the eyes, the flurry of flags that appeared, and the cowing of the antiwar movement that occurred when Bush "sent in the troops", do you really think we are in the "fool me twice..." mode? If it looks like McCain is in real trouble, Iran might be just the "October Surprise" he needs.
From my point all I can think to do is let the Dems know I will hold them equally responsible - for their failure to remove this Admin. from office, as much to prevent their future crimes as well as to punish them for past ones....
I don't think the US has the $$ to attack Iran but maybe they'll do it anyway with the help of Israel? I'm appalled at the damage those two warmongering countries have created. I would love to see Canada open it's borders to war resisters. Although we do have that warmongering Harper (shrub's Canadian mouthpiece) to contend with and chances are he'll do whatever the shrub tells him. I never thought I would ever vote for the 'lesser of 2 evils' and vote for our Liberal party but next election (hopefully soon if the Liberals would get off their lame asses and call one on Harper), I and many others I know, will vote Liberal just to help get rid of the nazi.
If you haven't seen the Energy Non-crisis, watch it: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147 Lindsey Williams is annoying but I've been told by an environmental lawyer that he has his facts pretty straight.
P E A C E F R E A K,
Hard to believe, but there is great news BE'ing caried to us on those waves of distress and destruction.
Our own freedoms are constrained, and inhibited by the "form" ( conditioning identification with ) of this errant ship_of_fools_of_state, that WE so desperately wants more and more, and so sadly are receiving less and less -- by way of LIFE's judgment upon our immoral, ugly wicked, and dissolute pursuits.
This is a time for reflection and CHOICE, and of re-BIRTH and opportunity.
There is really good news and promise to be seen on the other side of OUR shared "dark night of the soul". It is an illusion that before was "better", and focusing our intention upon that trap of history will forever re-create exactly what we so dearly wish to free ourselves from.
What we give our attention ( and intention ) to, we eventually become
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« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Remember how simple life was before 9/11? Ever wonder why al Qaida (or those others who hate us for our emperialism) haven't taken any direct action against us? They don't have to! We have pulled the plug on our own ship and are sinking. No one even acts like they know we are sinking and there is no new captain flying in who has a clue about commanding the ship.
Those who hate us must really be having a good time watching the ship go down. Glub, glub.
JohnE says:
" The German invasion of Russia en WW2 was irrational in military, political and economic terms, and the German high command was solidly against it."
That's about where we stand today vis-a-vis Iran.
"But the Nazi neocons also believed in their mystical power to "create reality" — that somehow they were above all constraints. The generals caved in and the invasion went ahead."
Let's hope our generals have more backbone.
"If they bring back a draft there is no chance in hell theyll get me to fight in their disgusting little war games. Canada–OPEN YOUR BORDERS FOR WAR RESISTERS!!!"
Better yet. Potential draftees need to make it to be a huge risk to life and limb for anyone to serve on a draft board.
Not like in previous wars when the draft board people were allowed to remain anonymous.
This is nothing more than a "make us feel good" commentary, backed by Tom's contemplated plausible scenarios that are kinda reasonable if applied to leaders of normal intelligence and good intentions.
Unfortunately, Tom's "musings" are of little value in the current circumstances, where our leaders consist of an executive branch that is nothing short of "evil" in the extreme, with no common sense at all, self destructive to boot, and totally out of control; a legislative branch that is "bought" lock stock and barrel by war profiteering capitalists who also fail to see that their short term visions of war profit (and cheap oil) are also self-destructive.
Sadly, our only real hope is in the possibility that our military will refuse to obey the orders to attack Iran, and will do what Congress has refused to do - remove Bush, Cheney and their whole cabal of neocons from office.
Hopefully, they would then place all those removed from office under the U.S. Code of Military Justice - and charge them with treason.
They would then oversee the running of the government until the election of a new government in November.
As far fetched as this may sound, I believe that it is more likely to happen than that we will not attack Iran.
In short, unless the military takes charge, the most likely scenario will be an attack on Iran before November - followed by all of the conequences envisioned by Tom!
kent shaw
"And, in spite of any other comments that might follow, thats all I have to say about that."
Do you have a lot of conversations with yourself Forrest?
Seymour Hersh not withstanding, we ought to be more concerned about the likelihood of war before November. By timing an invasion in October, the Republicans can create a burst of patriotic enthusiasm for the more militant candidate, John McCain. This will guarantee the continued presence of neocons in the White House for another four years.
The respondents worried about Fundamentalist apocalyptic theology are correct. These groups do see Armageddon as a good thing and endorse policies that lead us in that direction. However, if they would stop and examine their politics with integrity to their theology, they would realize that their theology is teaching them that supporters of the anti-Christ will go to eternal damnation, while liberal Christians who remain true to Christian pacifist doctrine and do not endorse the Anti-Christ as a political force will be raptured. Something for any Fundamentalists reading this to think about!
Think back to before the 2000 election. Could anyone have imagined Bush starting 3 wars in the Middle East? Perhaps attacking Iran will provide the needed end this Union. I would prefer the president and all his men/women be imprisoned at The Hague.
Goose2 >> You are incorrect. The US did NOT announce a blockade of Japan
>> prior to WWII, it banned sale of scrap-steel only to Japan.
And there were and are similar export restrictions on "strategic materials" throughout much of our recent history, from helium to encryption software to almost anything connected with atomic weapons. And there are a generous handful of countries to which exports of almost anything is banned. Cuba, Libya, Sudan, North Korea, and others.
Here's the people in charge of these various embargoes and restrictions:
http://www.bis.doc.gov/
>>adrian - [snip] and further hatred for the US.<<
I am a little unclear on what that would mean practically. We talk about it here and understand that it would be a bad thing, but exactly how is that? Trade with the US from foreign countries is at an all time high. Foreign visits to the US for business and tourism are at an all time high. I was out of the country twice in this last year and people were as friendly as they were in the 1980's 1990's and 2000's and friendlier than they were in the 1970's. I will admit that everyone I met had some opinion about our actions in the world, but many were, and this gave me a chill, very supportive of our actions in the world.
I think that the obsession with world opinion is missplaced. What the rest of the world thinks is not translated into any action and hasn't been for 60 years or more. Business goes on, trade goes on, tourism goes on and in the end our culture is even more popular outside the US than it is inside. Rambo 4 did 42.7million$ in the US and 70.4million$ OUTSIDE the US.
Where is the sting? Some French intellectual writing a really scathing editorial in Le Monde? Some college kids in Caracas drinking beers and talking about nationalizing some industry (while some college kids in Mexico ar talking about DE-nationalizing some industry...)? One major terrorist attack every 30 years?
This, like everything is more of the same.
FWIW, everyone is calling a blockade an act of war. That is not actually correct. There is the concept in international law and international maratime law of the "pacific blockade" which is announced by a power or group of powers to putatively *prevent* war. This is the law that was used in 1962 for the Cuban Missle Crisis and previous to WWII to about a dozen or so blockades all over the world by a BUNCH of countries. In no case was the initiating country or countries penalized or found in violation of any law for the action.
If the US announces a blockade, with or without international support, it is not likely to produce any response in the world community from a legal aspect. Further, it Iran responded, it would in fact be a legal causus belli which I am sure the administratin would love to happen.
>>kent shaw - PS — The U.S. blockaded Japan, cutting off fuel supplies, prior to Pearl Harbor. So. Who started WW II?<<
You are incorrect. The US did NOT announce a blockade of Japan prior to WWII, it banned sale of scrap-steel only to Japan. A blockade has to be enforced by warships and military force "close in" to the ports of the embargoed country. This of course did not happen and Japan was free to trade with any other sources for steel of which there were none, at the time the US was the only major producer of steel that had any excess to sell.
The ban on scrap steel was a devestating blow to Japan as they were our second largest customer at the time and we were their major supplier of steel. Japan has no major steel resources of its own or in the region that were available.
This is a quote from TIME magazine October 7th, 1940. (please excuse the racist epithet at the end which is part of the original article. )
"Last week, day before Japan threw a scare at the U. S. by signing a pact with Berlin, President Roosevelt struck a blow at Japan. He prohibited the export after Oct. 15 of all U. S. steel scrap, except to Great Britain (now U. S. scrap customer No. 1) and countries of the Western Hemisphere (which means Canada). But Japan depends on the U. S. for practically all of her scrap, is U. S. scrap customer No. 2 at present. The embargo, as the J___ knew, was aimed at them. "
As so many here have very rightly pointed out - this will not merely be an 'exercise' in Western Imperial Lunacy but will trigger off a world =wide economic catastrophe of mammoth proportions .
Simply because , thanks to the NYMEX and those 'oh-so-very-cuddly' Hedge and Private Equity Funds , the price of oil will streak past anything we thought possible.
The impact on the First World will of course be terrible. But it will be nothing compared to the impact on the Third World.Not only will all forms of transport grind to a staggering halt ,but food will simply not be available either for love or money .
The First World can then expect to be 'treated' to the spectacle of mass Third World starvation -but on a scale that would dwarf the 1984 Ethiopian famines. ( This would no doubt provide welcome 'fodder' for celebrity 'do gooders' like Bob Geldof , Bono and assorted rock stars . Who can be trusted to roll out ,on cue,a string of huge rock concerts throughout the First World.)
Its becoming painfully obvious that the only way the World can insulate itself from these gruesome and savage oil shocks is : by razing citadels of capitalism like NYMEX and by meting out to all speculators , a treatment very similar to what Stalin meted out to the kulaks.
But who will slay these monstrous dragons -St.George ( Soros) perhaps ?
Yes yes, DiabloRojo. I know my history, thanks. I've taught this shit enough times.
Isn't the Western MSM is doing its bit to keep the war drums beating . War has always been Manna from Heaven for them.
Remember their unholy delight during the Iraq Invasion . 'Embedded' journalists whooping and cheering as 'shock and awe 'unfolded.. practically foaming at the mouth as the tanks barreled on... drooling lovingly over each bombed out wreck and each shattered enemy corpse .
Now they're once again straining at the leash -frantic to get this one going.
apollosviper:
You're a delusional wackjob!
Tara:
You've been gravely misinformed, that stupid SOB Reagan (a B grade former ex-actor) shouldn't be credited with "knocking the wall down" and ending the Cold War. In reality, that was the result of a series of previous meetings near Mokva during the Vietnam "war" by Western and Asian (chiefly Soviet Russian) business and industrial leaders!
Jim Glover:
That "skinny little kid" as you term him, wasn't from Chicago; he was from Kenya-the African continent. Got that???
Chomsky, put it simplistically, but correctly, years ago. .I am paraphrasing here because I don't remember the exact words, but, it went was something like this:
"They won't attack Iran, because Iran can fight back."
I have always agreed with this premise.. So, far he as been right and this seems to be the conclusion that Tom Engelhardt as come to a long with those more rational thinkers in the military and the intelligents community. That the cost to the world would "simply" be, to high.
"never say never" indeed.
I'm not nearly as worried about the US as Israel.
I've never heard Israel make such worded threats that they didn't follow through on.
All the explaining of the this not being the the US's best interests is correct and obvious, but Israel feels this is in it's best interest and there's not much here that reassures one that Israel might back down.
But a war on resources might have it's up sides. Minimal human casualties if just oil fields and tankers are attacked. World outrage against Israel(finally). National outrage against all this warmongering under the banner of personal economic interests.(lets face it, if Americans haven't gotten it by now, only a hit to the pocket book may get them off their asses) Of course there will be economic casualties and we will face years of shock and awe chaos on our selves as the world economy collapses, but maybe we need a huge enema at this point.
But I hope the author is right, even if his argument is weak in regards to Israel which I feel is the big threat.
Maybe they have no intention of attacking Iran, and they're just jerking our chain before they go, for shits and giggles, and to get price spikes for their friends in the industry.
If we want to do anything meaningful, reduce our carbon footprint enmasse. Park your car, car pool, don't buy gas from exxon, take the bus, ride a bike, work from home 1-2 days a week if you can, use your own cloth bags at the grocery store, set your therm at 80 in summer, turn off lights, run appliances (like laundry) after 9 pm before 9 am, recycle, compost, no more bottled water--get a thermos, canteen, refillable plastic bottle, or bota bag (sp?), boycott wal-mart, buy nothing made in China, cancel your service with AT&T, Verizon and the telecoms who spied on us, and BEST OF ALL, let your Congressional reps, Obama, and FOX news know what you are doing--if we all did things like this for even 24 hours, it would get someone's attention.
Really a complete analysis. Thank You.
I am hoping that the current administration has spent all of its lies and we see through them all ( we should have seen through them in 2004 ). Including the soldiers for the sake of humanity.
Praying for these actors of empire to fade into retirement , where they will try to act to stave off the ultimate price of being born. And new Actors to act for humanity.
This article is wishful thinking. The adults are not in charge, and George "W is for War" Bush is not a moderating force on Cheney! Bush can't pull back. Its not in his DNA. He believes that a leader is decisive and never admits a mistake or changes course. And Bush has god in his corner, egging him on. God told him to smite the heathens in the middle east, remember? Listen to the bible-thumpers who call in on C-SPAN and you'll hear the same malicious old-testament righteousness.
Do whatever you can to stop this madness. At the very least, write to your congress-wimps against the naval blockage resolution (362 in the house, 580 in the senate). Below is the letter that I wrote. Feel free to use any of it.
I am writing to express my strong opposition to Senate Resolution 580 (House Resolution 362).
In 2002, president Bush and his allies in government and the media used lies, distortions and fear-mongering to take the nation to war against Iraq, a country that had not attacked us, had not threatened to attack us, and that indeed, already had been utterly destroyed by the US in the 1990s ("bombed into the stone age", was the phrase used back then).
As revealed in the infamous Downing Street Memo, the Bush administration had decided to go to war early in 2002, and "the facts were being fixed" to fit this policy. They pretended to use diplomacy, but this was only part of their public relations campaign to sell the war.
Its scarcely imaginable, but the war-making class has once again picked a target that has not attacked us nor threatened to do so-- Iran-- and is using distortion and fear to drive the nation to war.
First, the Bush administration tried, and failed, to accuse Iran of building a nuclear weapon. Last fall the US NIE (and the IAEA) pulled the rug out from under this distortion. But the war-mongers continue to muddy the waters by constantly referring ominously to Iran's "nuclear ambitions", conflating Iran's enrichment program with a nuclear weapons program. Recently, Iran has signaled its willingness to discuss an international proposal for an internationally managed enrichment program.
Next, the Bush administration tried to pin the blame for the Iraqi insurgency on Iran, just as it had earlier blamed Al Qaeda. In fact, the Iraqi insurgency is largely a home-grown response to invasion and occupation. Of the small numbers of non-Iraqi fighters captured by occupation forces in Iraq, most are from Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia and Syria, not Iran.
All along, Bush and his allies have found it helpful to demonize Iran by equating the country with its provocative president, in spite of the fact that in Iran's political system, the president is a symbolic figure who does NOT determine the country's nuclear or foreign policy.
As in 2002, many of the lies have been debunked repeatedly, yet they take on a life of their own by endless repetition. One of these lies is the claim that Iran's leaders have called for the destruction of Israel, implying a second holocaust.
In fact, what Iran's president (NOT the leader of the country) said (translated from Farsi) was that the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time.
That would be like Bush, in regard to Cuba, saying that the regime occupying Havana must vanish from the pages of time, or Reagan, in regard to the Soviet Union, saying that the regime occupying Moscow must vanish from the pages of time. In my opinion, the American public would be shocked if our president invoked karma to effect regime change instead of threatening an air strike-- we expect our president to be far more belligerent than the president of Iran has been.
Last fall the Senate took a dangerous step towards war by passing the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which (by declaring Iran's national guard a terrorist organization) provides a legal foundation for Bush to unleash weapons of mass destruction that would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iranians.
The naval blockade called for in the currently pending resolution is worse-- it is literally an act of war. A vote for this resolution is a vote against peace, against America's interests, and against the wishes of millions of Americans such as myself. With regards,
And what do you all think that 9/11 was but an excuse by a war mongering administration to make the Iraq war not only more palatable to the American people but desired by all. Remember the flags everywhere and the rally cry of "Shock and Awe" as we all sat in our living rooms and cheered on our soldiers and watched with pride the photo ops of "Mission Accomplished".
What do you think will be the propaganda, brain-washing slogan for the preperation of the war in Iran?
"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"?
"It seems that the USA's department that plans military movements in the Americas is on track to remove Chavez by force like Allende in the near future to avoid the deeply flaw plan to attack Iran. Once Venezuela is secured, then the Middle East can be planned so that even though flawed and destined to failure it can be implemented with the entire world sharing the lack of success. Since the Iranians are on their own politically in the world and the Middle East, they can suffer the ignominious fate of Iraq with the hand wringing of Western Nations. The New American Century Disaster is destined to be our fate."
having read the article, my reaction - to quote the vice president is "So?"
i cannot see a single downside in attacking iran - or better still having israel do it.
continued destabilisation of the middle east, another huge raise in gas prices and further hatred for the US.
the US administration has a clear policy and has had since day one - "Cash from Chaos".
If an administration is filled with people whose private incomes come from oil, armaments and security what is the worst thing that could happen to them?
And don't think that destruction of the economy is such a bad thing either - when times get hard the "wealth" of the average citizen gets gobbled up by those at the top of the food chain.
i think that in years to come, the Bush administration may be seen as one of the most successful in world history.
the only possible restraint on what they have been done - the democratic majority - have made it quite clear that they are happy to sit back and watch, so there you go - "Mission Accomplished"
The only real sadness is that Jesse Jackson will never get to have Obamas nuts - they've been taken already.
no war with Iran-it's WW3!
in la la land reality is always in short supply.
I quite agree that going to war against Iran wouldn't be sensible, but the Rightest of the Religious Right Wing don't care. They *need* a global conflagration to start in the Middle East (Iran would be perfect) and spread to all the nations of the world in order to facilitate the Second Coming. Google END TIMES PROPHESY and see. Then worry.
Hillary may *think* that "we can obliterate Iran," but look at where Iran is on the map. Does anyone suppose that Russia is going to sit in the corner and bite their nails if we fire off a few nuclear-armed missiles toward Iran from anyplace on Earth? Even "tactical" nukes have the potential to start World War Last in a heartbeat.
Which is, of course, the whole point for many on the extreme religious right. And I'm not absolutely sure that "W" isn't numbered amongst them. Are you?
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Tara. She may not speak for me.
Sometimes when I'm feeling perplexed about what humanoids are capable of, I look around me and imagine everyone I see as the second graders we all once were... acting out like seven and eight year olds and clearly never having grown up much. Rememeber the bullies? In the end they don't back down, just kick up the dust until all the blocks fall down. Insufferable fucking maniacs!!!
America started WW2? Damn, my parents didn't know that.
I follow the middle-east on the Strategic Studies Institute of the US Army War College. Dr. W. Andrew Terrill Wrote an Op-Ed opinion on Iran Feb. 2008 opposing intervention in Iran. His pre-war paper "Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Chalanges, and Missions for Military Forces in a Post-Conflict Senerio" is still one of the 10 most popular downloads on the Stategic Studies Institue of the US Army War College. The concluding 3 paragraphs found on Page 42 of that publication correctly predicted the situation we face in Iraq today. Dr. Terrill makes a strong case for staying out of Iran. He was correct on Iraq and he is correct on Iran.
The present Iranian Theocracy has been in power for 28 years and has not improved life in Iran. The only way they can stay in power is to provoke an attack from Israel. This they are trying to do. According to various military websites Iran has a minimal military budget and nearly all weapons purchases have been defensive in nature. Iran has no ability to project forces beyound their border, and Iran understands our military doctrine of mutually assured destruction. Our military websites were against the Iraq war and are against intervention in Iran. Liberals need to read, understand, and make known the views of our military experts who have a strong track record. You will win the debate with conservatives by citing the papers on the military websites, not by attacking Bush.
Fuck Iran. Bomb those fuckers back to the stoneage and take their oil.
Long live Bush and Cheney.
I think he has this backward. If the price of oil goes up to $400 per barrel the Bushies will not mourn, they will celebrate. Remember, this invasion of the Mid East is about oil, not about getting it, but keeping it in the ground, SO THAT THE PRICE WILL GO UP, which is what they want.
Who wins? Not us. The oil owners, the Saudis, the Oil companies, the war profiteers. They win. This is wonderful, from their point of view, not horrible. Economic collapse of the rest of the world? So much the better, since it makes their ownership of the oil ever so much more valuable. Oil at $400 a barrel in a collapsed world economy is like oil at $4,000 a barrel in a regular economy.
The richer the rich get the more they want. There's no end to it.
Kent Shaw : don't waste your breath.
You are absolutely correct.
August 15th:
Sit down, put your head between your legs and kiss your A__ goodby.
I usually think Tom is creditable, but This article must have come right after he smoked something. It's wishful thinking - not supported by facts, only wanna-be innuendos.
Arvy is dead on, as usual, as are many others that agree.
kendpotter July 10th, 2008 5:20 pm
The US was acting as part of the international community, protesting the Japanes invasion, and genocide in China. WWII was already, well underway. Just ask the Chinese.
And then I'll ask, "Why didn't the US simply, in support of China, declare war on Japan? I can't help wondering if China would even be communist today if the US had done so.
And a likely response might be, "Well! The politicians in the U.S. couldn't do that because it would have been unacceptable to the electorate!"
To which I might rejoind, "So once again we find yet one more example, a primary precedent setting example in fact, where U.S. politicians lied to the people in order to get them to provide men and women for the unnecessary meatgrinder of war."
And, in spite of any other comments that might follow, thats all I have to say about that.
Yes, I was pleasantly shocked when I saw the NBC bit with Richard Engel quoting a oil expert saying barrel prices could reach $400 if Iran was attacked.
This after years of almost no mention of how our invasion of Iraq has spun the price of oil up (not to diminish GW's part), said to me that some of the big corporate players are thinking it might be time for Bush/Chaney to step away from the roulette wheel for a breather. You see there has to be something/somewhere left to drive those Ferrari's around.
Still worried as hell about HR 362 so again have a "Call your congressmen" party this weekend with friends and say no to the culture of war and militarism. You can use "contracting congress" for numbers and cell phones on weekends is no charge.
"Born again" fundamentalist "Christians" are looking forward to Armageddon when the Middle East will be awash in the blood of "non-believers",the whole world will be in flames,the "Messiah" will descend from Heaven and take the "believers' who will have arisen from the dead....to everlasting bliss in Heaven.Many key players in Washington itching to start a devastaring war with Iran are "born again"
Fundamentalist Jews,waving their Jehowah given title to their "holy land", are also eager for their own version of Armageddon,when the whole world will be destroyed and the "true Messiah" will appear and take the faithful to Heaven.
The Shiites are equally anxious for "qayyamat" when the world be destroyed and the 12th Imam will descend to save the faithful.
Put these three lethal belief systems in the midst of the world's largest energy sources,mix eager and easy access to gobs of weapons of mass destruction and "reality" and "rationality" go to hell....
End times are here, say the Mayan,Vedic,Egyptian and other ancient caledars.Kali the Goddess of death and destruction is dancing and on a rampage.
HOLD ON TO YOUR SPHINCTERS!!!!
North Korea is not an American problem it is a Japanese, S. Korean, Chinese, Russian problem, and that is why the US cannot threaten and act gung-ho.
Iran is not an American problem either, despite their imperial highnesses (Shrub and Cheney) dreaming about "regime change" for the sake of oil. It is above all a Saudi Arabian problem, with little to do with nuclear develpoment and the Saudi position has been made very clear. No military action by US or Israel will be permitted by the Saudi king. Bush and Cheney (and Olmert too) will just have to suck it in and do as they are told by their real bosses with the cash.
The fact is these children don't run the world from their play room, although they like to pretend that they do. Despite BBC referring to the "Iranian nuclear crisis", and Condi sighting Iranian missile tests as a proof of the "threat", the fact is that it is all just bellicose bilge water. The rhetoric in fact, if anything, has the effect of alienating Iranian moderates or even if such exist, any pro-US sentiments while polarizing anti-US sentiment in Iran and around the world.
Like some spoiled children, the US imperialists, if they cannot control the outcome of any game, they wont play (unless forced to as in the case of N. Korea), preferring to destroy the board, burn the rules, and maim the opposition with punishing military force, in the hope to apply "Shock Doctrine" at some future date; blind barbarous fascism in every sense. What a waste to watch the ignominious end of what may have been for a short time a nearly reasonable nation, now being chocked an expiring on the corruption and greed of their elite.
ANOTHER EXPLANATION
I think it's very probable that the Bush gang is just going out the way they came in. Think back to the Enron rip off of California with it's manipulation of the phony electric power shortage. Now, every time some jerk in Washington threatens Iran, the price of oil shoots up. And who is making money off that? And it probably wouldn't hurt to remember that Iran makes money off that too although I don't think there is that kind of conspiracy.
I've always thought the real philosophy of the Bush regime was that the USA is all through and that they intended to steal anything they could of whatever might still be left. Once they've got all the big stuff, they leave the carcass for their little brothers, the "Democrats" to pick over.
That slap at the Ds having been made, remember that the electoral system is corrupt in many ways including the fact that a third party can only cause an unpalatable outcome, maybe the best course is a hostile takeover of one of the two parties. Probably impossible to get the Repubs (although it should be noted that a real Socialist has become the Republican nominee for governor of some mountainous state I can't remember). So every 3rd party type should be running in Democratic primaries.
It's not the oil, stupid. And the American people will do nothing, there is nothing vaunted about them.
Maybe if Englehardt stopped reading his own book, he'd see other things--alot of those things are irrational.
Looks like most CommonDreamers would be disappointed if America failed to hit Iran. Morbid lot you are.
Attack Iran to increase the price of oil?
Simply pointless. The threats alone accomplish this.
And to suggest corporations support the idea of cutting their own throats is ludicrous. Business requires energy.
So basically, the only thing standing between us and Armageddon is the fact that neither Secy. Gates nor Adm. Mullen haven't "resigned" yet....Well that's just peachy. Don't both of those guys serve at the pleasure of the president? Couldn't the boy emperor fire them both tomorrow?
" luckylefty July 10th, 2008 12:13 pm
"Will the Bush administration Attack Iran If Obama Is Elected?" This is an irrelevant consideration. BHO is ONE OF THE BOYS. He'll do what he is told. "
IT IS NOT an irrelevant question. What it speaks of is not whether Obama would attack Iran, but whether or not the Bush-Cheney cabal would during their last couple of months in office. Many people have speculated that the Bush-Cheney cabal might do this if Obama is elected, and would additionally establish martial law in the U.S. and would stay in office long into 2009, or longer.
So, again, it is not an irrelevant question.
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" skippyagogo41 July 10th, 2008 12:27 pm
A reasonable article, what worries me is the idea expressed by some of the neocons that they create their own reality…
Perhaps they think that in their reality a nuke strike against Iran will cause the price of oil to tumble."
They surely would not think that, but the contrary. After all, Cheney is a Big Oil industry profiteer, Halliburton being a very significant oil industry service contractor and Cheney was CEO before becoming VP of the U.S. And some people have dug up evidence that he still is business-wise, financially-wise, ... associated with Halliburton.
They know that the war on Iraq has caused the price per barrel to skyrocket, and probably also know that all of their and the Israeli leadership's threats against Iran has caused the price per barrel to rise ever high and by much. Engelhardt says national security people in the U.S. estimate that the threats against Iran has caused the price of oil such that this rise amounts to $30-40 on the $140 barrel, so those threats alone cause a big difference, upwards.
And he's not the only person or fiend in the Bush adm. threatening war on Iran and while knowing the above, too. They all know that Big Oil has been raking in BIG MONEY over the past several years. They aren't ignorant of these realities.
There's no need to be worried about them creating "their own reality", for this has been obvious for many years already. I was once worried about this, but have been aware of it for so long now that it's not a worry anymore. Now, it's anger and wanting them all indicted, put on trials, convicted, and put behind cold steel bars in cold, damp cells with sewer rats allowed to inhabit the place, and for the rest of their lives on Earth.
And that's a worry I have, that they will never be indicted, etcetera.
Perhaps we have madness in the White House. Perhaps Cheney and his people, plus an obviously weak President, represent the pinnacle of the inherent limits of our democratic system. The administration has crippled the US economy, has bloated the US military, has involved us in an insane war, and may very well have doomed our federal system. If these fools are allowed to drag us into another war with this fictional Iranian enemy, then we are finished financially, to the point we may never recover. It's time Americans take to the street, but I'm afraid we've forgotten how to march in massive protest. We can only send one another emails of frustration.
"'Kick ass!' [Bush] said, echoing Colin Powell's tough talk. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.
"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!
These are the very words of George Wanker Bush. This is not a poorly written passage from some crummy Mickey Spillane novel. This is not Robert DeNiro talking to himself in "Taxi Driver". The words are real. Do not be so certain that this criminal arrested adolescent does not mean to attack Iran before he leaves office. Anyone who can seriously say such things will always be very dangerous.
As I was reading this article, Ron Paul was on the House floor questioning "those on the other side of the aisle" why if Iran fired missiles was that in any way wrong. He reminded them it WAS Israel that did their pretend-sortees with a gazillion fighter jets in an extreme action of provocation against Iran, and why he asked are they NOT allowed to enrich uranium for other than weaponry? He was yielded the floor after that ass Poe from Texas, every damn time he has his 1, 5 or 30 minute speech times he ends every one with, And that's just the way it IS, could be a bill naming a Post Office. Ron Paul made the "knock this shit off before we die" position rather well.
Condoleeza Rice shrieking her "If Iran continues in what "WE", WTF what WE, consider an extreme act of agression against, oh who could that be, oh yeah ISRAEL we would hit them back HARD!". With the "WE" all the time these panderers of the glorious Homeland of the Jews. Another two, supposed journalists were having a real laugh riot, they think some Iranian was playing with THE photoshop and added a missile, hahaha. I tend to think it may have been our covert kinda' guys.
Where did I hear this from, what rag, I don't know yet she said when the Iranian's or Ahmadinejad were remarking about they were using the "Hoot", which she insists means whale in "Iranian", must be a new language. I don't speak Farsi so I don't know but I will find out, it is a veiled reference she said to the type of missile.
All day with this crap, someone is up to some-THING, I know it has nothing to do with "WE".
Correction concerning Seymore Hersch revealing the details of the 400 million destabilizion program currently operating towards Iran, I learned of that through Cockburn on Counterpunch a month ago.
Tom is just flat out wrong. For a window into the thinking of the criminals in Washington, download their handy pdf here:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC04.php?CID=292
Or visit the Commondreams article covering the above paper:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/01/10014/
The upshot:
"In sum, there may be no optimal moment to strike at
Iran's nuclear infrastructure; rather, a successful policy
of prevention could require successive military strikes
against a number of targets, in tandem with a variety
of nonmilitary measures, carried out over an extended
period of time."
No body rationalizes better than these freaks.
As for the unpopularity, it will be portrayed as an Iranian attack on the US. Probably as a sadistic Iranian attack on kind old ladies and kittens. We will simply be defending ourselves from the Persian Menace. Has it ever been any different?
It is certainly true that President Shit-for-Brains is unqualified for the office. Which would infer we the people are unqualified to choose our leaders. Certainly, it could be said we do not do it any better than choosing High School Presidents. Qualifications just do not seem to be in the mix, somehow.
We're talking about killing people, possibly even genocide (especially if we use nukes) and the concern raised by this essay is about the effects such a strike would have on the price of a barrel of oil. What is wrong with people? Are you that addicted to driving your infernal congestion engine? People are going to die. Men, women, children. Young, old, in-between. Rich or poor. Educated or non. That is the important matter. That is the reality.
This is so senseless. I have less and less hope for this country every day. I see the US going into a decline that becomes steeper by the day. In a hundred years, there won't be a USA anymore. If nothing else, the global warming that the US shares primary blame for, will have radically altered our coastlines. But why should we care? We'll all be dead then. It's only the fate of the species we're talking about.
If there were a god, I would recommend that she wipe the slate clean and start all over.
skippyagogo41 July 10th, 2008 12:27 pm
When have you seen a lot of sanity from this bunch for the last 8 years or 12 for that matter?
gus July 10th, 2008 2:25 pm
Tara: I don't know why Elizabeth Cheney, spawn of flesh-eating zombies Dick and Lynne Cheney, speaks for the US either. The thought makes my skin crawl.
Because she has that one qualification that really counts with Dick Vader, its his daughter and he can if he wants to.
kendpotter July 10th, 2008 5:20 pm
Beat me to it. Thanks.
If America attacks Iran, watch the price of a barrel of oil exceed $200 and go up from there. You think it's rough now? Just you wait until we're all paying $10+ for a gallon of gas. That will wreak such havoc on the economy, not just of the US, but around the world, that it may well lead to international economic collapse and a Depression the likes of which we haven't seen in almost 80 years, but much longer and worse this time.
Bush would be absolutely insane to end his reign of terror by attacking Iran and then sneaking out the back door of the White House to let his successor handle the mess. But then, when did this President ever show one ounce of good old fashioned common horse sense to begin with? I don't know as I'd want to end my Presidency by catapulting the world into a major Depression. That's not exactly the kind of legacy I'd like to leave if I were him. Of course, he's already been dubbed the worst President in our country's history by historians, so all that would do would be to confirm what all of us have already known all along, that Dubya's one collosal idiot who never deserved to be in the White House in the first place.
kent shaw
"PS — The U.S. blockaded Japan, cutting off fuel supplies, prior to Pearl Harbor. So. Who started WW II?"
The US was acting as part of the international community, protesting the Japanes invasion, and genocide in China. WWII was already, well underway. Just ask the Chinese.
I agree with you Clark Kent especially regarding Naomi Klein's school of thought regarding disaster capitalism. However keep in mind that there are competing corporate interests here. While the common man is irrelevant to the big picture, what is good for Exxon is not necessarily good for Wal-Mart, Verizon or Microsoft. It is these competing corporate interests that keep Cheney in check and ultimately they may prevent the US from going for another oil land grab.
Sorry Tom, I know you worked hard putting this article together, but I'm not convinced.
If the crew over at Dubya, Cheney, & Co. have shown anything, it is a willing refusal to let "minor stuff" like reality interfere with perpetrating another monumental strategic error that future textbooks (if our descendants are lucky to survive it) will wonder how the public of our time accepted it without a full scale revolt (sort of in the same way current generations ask how the Halocaust happened). One can only hope that the actual military personnel tasked with the job invoke the "Nuremburg Principle" (a soldier is required to refuse an unlawful, insane, or evil order) and make the Bush crime family slink off into the sunset.
This Israeli/Palestinian issue is somewhat analogous to South African apartheid in many always. With regard to the latter, the west initially provided it with moral and material support believing that it was protecting kith and kin in far flung colonies. When that logic could not make sense any more, apartheid system was rationalized as being "bulwark against menacing Reds" (equivalent to current stage in Israel/Palestine quandary), then it was ignored for a while, after which reality started to set in.
Why is this relevant? It is relevant because real peace and security cannot be realized in the middle east until the interest of every nation/people in that region is given serious consideration and not just Israel's' alone. Peace cannot be achieved through sanctions and war.
It's inevitable.
CheneyOilCo and Olmert Holdings know that their power base faces complete obliteration without attacking Iran for the political coin it will generate... that large slice of fear that can be counted upon for swing at the polls.
Couple that with the effort underway to provide Israel with US cruise missiles... and the full understanding that the economy is currently in a recession slipping quickly towards a world-wide depression... and you will see a scenario that is very much different from the restrained one you paint.
There is an inside knowledge that they have little to lose that drives them. The recent whirlwind trips abroad were not so much a plea for sanction support as they were a backroom whisper about things to come.
We're probably down to two months max now... no they won't wait for the election results.
Watch out for the Sharks!
I think the writing is on the wall...I've spent the whole day job hunting for opportunities overseas. Between the economy and potential of WWIII (and I think its gonna happen) its time to leave the sinking ship.
Tom Englehart makes a very good case as to why no reasonable, sane person would attack Iran, but this has little or no bearing on what the current occupants of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave will do. Unless Conyers finds his glands and starts impeachment hearings, there is no reason the military will not follow established command, communication and control and follow whatever orders they're given.
There were similar arguments before the Iraq invasion-- that all this saber rattling was simply a bluff to get Saddam to disarm WMDs.
They were not nuanced in their threats then and probably aren't now either. I doubt George could even pronounce "nuanced".
Naomi Klein has written sagely about the "Shock Doctrine". We should be asking ourselves, "What would the proponents of the Shock Doctrine do?". The more chaos, the more opportunity to fleece the public, concentrate wealth, and kill off "useless eaters".
Oil at $400/barrel? How much more profit will that mean for the puppetmasters? Can you say "Enron scandal writ large"? Iraq was just a prelude to Iran. Enron was just a prelude to Exxon.
We are all consumers of War and Death...This is what we discuss day after day we point to a killing of one or a mass and than we point our fingers and point and point again....
We live on diet of Fear and Death....
And we wonder why nobody wakes up!!!
Objective reality has not proven to be much of a deterrent for the Cheney Administration in the previous seven years, and I see no reason why it should suddenly become so in the last six months.
Iran can retaliate with only one Silkworm missile, popping a supertanker in the Straits of Hormuz and sending the entire planet into a worldwide economic depression that will make 1929 seem like a minor market correction by contrast.
gus-
yes creepy isn't it? And then they muzzle their other daughter, don't they?
And you have hit the nail on the head regarding oil flow.
I'm still wondering why our "great republic" has 1. fallen at the feet of Israel 2. not drilled for oil here in North America? I guess money and corporations speak loud and hard.
I do not understand how Israel can run concentration camps of its own and subject people to the horrors that their supposed ancestors endured. Has anyone heard about the Gaza border killing reported today? My favorite part of the AP article: "when they searched him [after they shot him dead], he was unarmed." What a shocker.
Lucy Lefty,
Aren't you a little jealous that a skinny black kid from Chicago has a war and Peace effect and he ain't even elected Yet?
You imply that he is evil Sellout.. just one of the corrupt machine and we are doomed if he gets elected .... aren't you a little jealous anyway that the whole world of people and war connected corporations are all waiting to see what that skinny Black kid is gonna do about US...???
Dan David you are right on.... Cheney is the isolated one now and little Georggee wants to become the Prince of Peace....
Lots of folks here think inside the box.
Arvy wrote (1:47 pm):
"Since when does reality and economic consequences for the plebians have anything whatever to do with thefts by the imperial mafia."
Well-put. But it may be fortuitous that different members of the imperial mob have different interests from each other. One suspects that Cheney has positioned himself to personally benefit greatly from an attack on Iran. But obviously Admiral Mullen and Secretary Gates do not see any benefit for themselves.
Tara: I don't know why Elizabeth Cheney, spawn of flesh-eating zombies Dick and Lynne Cheney, speaks for the US either. The thought makes my skin crawl.
Don't think that Israel would be deterred from attacking Iran based on its fears of:
1) Disruption of its oil supplies, or,
2) Harm to the US
Israel is currently getting its oil through a recently reopened pipeline from Iraq, and is secure in its oil supply. Getting Iraqi oil to Israel was one of the reasons for the invasion of Iraq.
Israel doesn't care about the US, which it has done much to destroy by ordering the US, via AIPAC, into tragic military adventures in the Mideast. Our usefulness to Israel is winding down, so don't count on sympathy for the problems of the US to sway Israel's militancy.
It has never ceased to puzzle me that W. Bush and his cabinet are closely tied to the petroleum and energy industries, every one of them, and they could only have benefitted financially many times over from the astronomical prices of fuel caused in part by the crushing of Iraq and also by the global insecurity resulting from US policies generally.
As dinelson7 says "You are assuming our alleged leaders are rational". The German invasion of Russia en WW2 was irrational in military, political and economic terms, and the German high command was solidly against it. But the Nazi neocons also believed in their mystical power to "create reality" -- that somehow they were above all constraints. The generals caved in and the invasion went ahead.
Iran is not Russia and the world is very different, but the power of fanatical mysticism over rationality prevailed in Germany and could well today. And also an Iran attack and its consequences would bring tremendous profits to the war industry.
Anyone who believes that the so-called Cold War between the east & west is over - think again! This is what happens when people don't take the time to educate themselves about historical processes. The blind masses think "why dwell on the past" and don't bother to take time from their busy days to understand how their tax dollars are being spent. What most people can't comprehend is how slowly things develop. A testament to our life spans, I suppose.
Yeah, Reagan ended the Cold War...the German's Berlin Wall torn down and the U.S.21st-century missle defense shield in eastern Europe is built up.
Isn't capitalism grand?
So, let's consider reality for a moment. When it comes to Iran, reality means oil and natural gas.
Since when does reality and economic consequences for the plebians have anything whatever to do with thefts by the imperial mafia.
Can you say Cold War Reloaded?
You are assuming our alleged leaders are rational
PS -- The U.S. blockaded Japan, cutting off fuel supplies, prior to Pearl Harbor. So. Who started WW II?
A blockade is a literal act of war, declared or not. So yes, it would be a defacto declaration of war. And it wouldn't necessarily take Iran shooting a missle at a U.S. ship. We could simply have a U.S. ship shoot another and say the Iranians did it. It took even less than that in Vietnam. They just LIED about a small North Vietnamese boat shooting at huge U.S. warships.