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The Iraq War Movie: Military Hopes To Shape Genre
There's a war going on, and Army Lt. Col. J. Todd Breasseale has a mission.
But it's far removed from the captured Iraqi palace where he was once stationed. He fights his war now from an office on Wilshire Boulevard lined with movie posters chronicling conflicts real and imagined, from "Patton" to "War of the Worlds."
Breasseale's desk is piled high with scripts, each marked with his name and stamped "confidential." It's his job to help decide which movies should get Army help.
The mission is both harder and more important than it might appear.
After the Vietnam War, movies like "Apocalypse Now" and "Born on the Fourth of July" helped cement an image of psychologically damaged Vietnam veterans.
"In the '80s and early '90s, the Vietnam War vet was the 'other,' " Breasseale said. "Hollywood had created the crazy Nam vet."
For the Army, it was a bitter lesson.
With the country now enmeshed in another long, unpopular war, Breasseale is hoping to influence a new generation of filmmakers in order to avoid repeating the experience.
So far, Breasseale feels, most of the movies made about Iraq have really been about Vietnam.
"It is the self-licking ice cream cone of Hollywood: They make a war movie based on another war movie," Breasseale said. "It's important to tell the full story, not a story based on a weird Vietnam-era idea of what the military is like."
The Army has been helping filmmakers ever since it furnished aircraft and pilots for 1927's "Wings" -- winner of the first best picture Academy Award.
With military assistance, moviemakers get access to bases, ships, planes, tanks and Humvees. Military leaders also offer script advice.
And unless a filmmaker agrees to address any problems, the Pentagon generally opts out.
Most movies involving the military have been summer action films, like this year's "Iron Man," which was made with Air Force help.
But Army officials are eager to work with filmmakers making serious movies about Iraq -- the kind of pictures that have the power to shape the public's view of the war and its warriors.
"In the past, have there been instances of disagreements with scripts? Yes," said Maj. Gen. Anthony A. Cucolo III, chief of Army public affairs. "The message I would send is: Give us a try."
The problem for military officials is that some in Hollywood see their script advice as a subtle form of censorship or an attempt to spin the war.
Paul Haggis, writer and director of the Iraq war movie "In the Valley of Elah," said he concluded that the Army was not interested in telling honest stories about the war or soldiers.
"They are trying to put the best spin on what they are doing," Haggis said. "Of course they want to publicize what is good. But it doesn't mean that it is true."
Few directors focused on Iraq or Afghanistan have approached the military for help. Haggis did.
Haggis said that after he submitted his script, the producers received 21 pages of objections to parts of the film. Haggis, who did not review the notes, said his producers told him they amounted to a refusal to participate.
"We needed their help," Haggis said. "If they had reasonable input I would have taken it. But I am not there to do publicity for the Army. I am there to do a movie that I see as true."
Military officers say flatly that they do not censor films.
"There is no way that we are going to go in and to steamroll anyone's vision," said Phil Strub, the top Pentagon liaison to the film industry. "They will just tell us to drop dead and go away."
Officials will ask for changes, or decline to participate, if they believe military policies or practices are grossly misrepresented -- especially if a movie purports to be based on real-life events, as Haggis' film did.
Breasseale says movies about Iraq and Afghanistan have been one-dimensional.
"There doesn't seem to be a lot of room for nuance," he said. "What sells a script to a studio is an easy concept, like 'This guy is crazy because he has been at war.' 'Easy, I love it,' the executive says."
Breasseale is particularly critical of Brian De Palma's "Redacted," a film released last year and based on a real-life incident in which U.S. soldiers raped an Iraqi girl, then murdered her and her family. Breasseale, who was serving in Iraq at the time of the incident, says De Palma's movie intimates that all soldiers serving in Iraq are criminals.
"It was so wildly offensive to me that he would group all soldiers together," Breasseale said.
De Palma did not respond to several requests for an interview.
Many Hollywood filmmakers reject the criticism of Iraq war movies. Haggis said he worked hard to shade his portrayals of soldiers, even those who commit heinous crimes.
"I did want to have a balanced and nuanced film," Haggis said. "If anything, I tried to be empathetic. I try not to make these kids into villains."
Iraq war movies as a group have not done well at the box office. Film critics have speculated that moviegoers see enough of war on the news or don't care to watch films about an ongoing conflict. The Army suggests another possibility: The public is rejecting films that feel didactic or inauthentic.
"The public does not deal too well with being preached at," Breasseale said.
The military has assisted with one Iraq war film that officials hope will be unlike "Redacted" or "In the Valley of Elah."
"The Lucky Ones," due out in the fall, follows three combat-scarred soldiers as they travel from New York to Las Vegas. The Army says the film -- which stars Tim Robbins, an outspoken war critic -- offers a more refined portrayal of soldiers.
During production, Robbins had a long conversation with Breasseale about what life might be like for his character, Staff Sgt. Cheever -- what would motivate an enlisted man through two combat tours in Iraq.
"It captures the nuance. It is not a broad brush stroke or just about PTSD" -- post-traumatic stress disorder -- Breasseale said. "They manage to tell a story that is familiar but different."
Producer Rick Schwartz agrees his film is unlike other war movies. It takes place almost entirely in America, and although it deals with the aftereffects of war, the word "Iraq" is never mentioned.
Schwartz hopes audiences draw their own conclusions about whether "The Lucky Ones" is pro-war or antiwar, he said.
Though some Iraq war movies have been influenced by post-Vietnam films, he said, makers of "The Lucky Ones" avoided Vietnam references.
"You want to be able look back in 20 years from now and say, 'That's what was going on then,' " Schwartz said. "We don't want to make a metaphor for any other war."
The tension between Hollywood and the Army may never fully dissipate.
But Breasseale is confident that he and officers who follow him will persuade more filmmakers to view them as a resource, not a censor.
"I am the last of the eternal optimists. I believe there is always a way to make things happen," Breasseale said. "My job is to help filmmakers tell an accurate story and help the American public understand their Army. End scene."
To see a list of movies that have, and have not, received military input click here.
© 2008 The Los Angeles Times
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Show AllFilm makers are still allowed to make movies without the permission of the military-industrial-media complex.
That won't be true after four more years of Republican rule.
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/go-goldstein.html
The Theory & Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism
The only film made about the Vietnam war while it was actually going on was the John Wayne barking dog "The Green Berets". Hollywood didn't want to make any Vietnam war movies since the war so unpopular. If they did, they made them indirectly, like Robert Wise's "Sand Pebbles". The spate of Vietnam movies came long after the war was over. The same will probably hold true with regard to Iraq. The films recently made about the invasion and occupation of Iraq haven't made money. A motion picture is an industrial product, no different from a box of corn flakes or an automobile. They exist to make money. Only the marketing is different. So while the military will try its best (or worst) to control what films are made about Iraq, they will probably have a lot of time on their hands to pick their toenails because Hollywood won't be making many more films on the subject. It may happen later. And most of those films will be highly critical of the Iraq disaster and won't be asking for official military assistance because the people making them know they won't get it. So Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Ben Stein, Bo Derek and the other Hollywood right wingers will have the field all to themselves. The films made by Tinsel Town's small reactionary contingent (if they are made at all) will probably be no better than "The Green Berets" and won't make any more money than "Gigli".
I have an ..hypothesis..a testable idea..that America is getting it's 'JUSTICE' purely..and almost completely..from HOLLYWOOD and TELEVISON...think about it..
So many movies and entertainmnet are about corporate crime...military crime and injustice...corrupt government agencies..etc..etc..and the good guy's..ALMOST alway's win...
But in reality..in REALITY..that is almost..AN IMPOSSABILITY..that NEVER HAPPENS..Corporate criminals GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING..can you spell TELECOM IMMUNITY?
Etc..etc..so..my DEDUCTION is this: What if..just supposing..there was a SIX MONTH PERIOD..OR EVEN A YEAR..IN WHICH MOVIES ALL ENDED..."REALISTICALLY"..THE BAD GUY'S GET AWAY WITH IT....EVERY TIME...
See..I think Americans have...gron..into..DUAL REALITY BEINGS..living partially submerged..AT ALL TIMES..in their IMAGINATIONS..and the subconscious...consumed with daily images of JUSTICE and VICTORY for the forces of GOOD ovwer the forces of EVIL..has SUPPLANTED the reality...so Americans..in effect..GET IMAGINED JUSTICE...AND REAL CORRUPTION..
So..agian..the "solution" might be..to..REPLACE the images of "JUSTICE" with images of.."REALITY"..aka the bad guy's win..EVEY TIME..the Hero DIES..the Consumer advocate get's FUCKED OVER..and is then SUED by the BAD GUY'S..and commits SUICIDE..etc..etc..etc..
SO..that MAYBE..people would become..subconsiously AWARE of the reality..and not feel that..again..SUBCONSCIOUSLY..that "Justice has been served..I can go about my daily life feeling secure in the knowledge that the forces of good are triumphing.."...WAKE EM UP!
A one year MORATORIUM on..."HOLLYWOOD ENDINGS"..MAKE PEOPLE MAD AGAIN..
"CHINA SYNDROME" BUT WITH A REAL ENDING...read: the pollution and cancer rates 20 years later..
A "remake" of "ALL THE PRESIDENTS MEN"..But the reporters are SUED by the federal government and..the News paper they work for..WILL NOT PRINT THE STORY..because it would be "bad for the Advertisers"...and..as far as the corruption and evil of the "government" they have uncovered evil truth about?..NOTHING HAPPENS..they all get way scott free and write million dollar memoirs..
Etc..etc..etc..
bring home the REALITY...and stop giving people..'IMAGINED JUSTICE'..DON'T ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO FEEL "GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES"..WHILE THE COUNTRY SINKS...AND STINKS..
An like that..
I think it was Tom Dispatch that did a good article on military involvement in movies going way back. Search for something called 'the six degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon' or something like that.
Basically, any movie that shows off lots of military hardware is made with the permission and approval of the War Department. They offer lots of war toys and advisors in uniform to a movie in exchange for being about to control the content. Been going on for a long, long time. Back even before Vietnam.
I like the line from the army propaganda guy about 'weird' notions of the military based on Vietnam.
The Vietnam war was fought with a draft, so unlike today lots of Americans got some real first-hand experience with what the military was like. Since the draft ended at Vietnam, that's also the last time this was true.
Thus, what this army propaganda officer is telling a lot of people who are a little older than me is that they should ignore their firsthand experience with the military and instead just believe what the army now tells them is the truth.
Let's have a "war" movie that features the truth. Chickenshit politicians and CEO's who love war for personal reasons. Cowards who won't do their duty getting to live cushy lives in Washington. Traitors to the People and the Constitution passed off as patriots; and, documents that usurp the Constitution passed off as patriotic.
We have the casting and the sickos who are causing the horrid mess are sure to provide plenty of secret info for that "real touch".
If soldiers don't want be potrayed as criminals, then they should stop participating in the ultimate war crimes that are wrongly called the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Liberal democracies may need a liberal constituency to flourish. Conservative dictatorships can use more repression or just propagandize and condition liberals to think that being a regressive conservative can repair the damage liberals purportedly cause by helping the poor instead of killing them, stopping pollution, demanding justice and so on. Liberals will then become ashamed of being liberal and will police ourselves, like Zinn says.
I think the conservative demonization of liberals has been so effective that we don't call ourselves that anymore, always preferring "progressive" to "liberal".
Even low IQ conservative oligarchs go to Yale and Harvard. They've learned that the accumulation of their money-power hinges on the way the public sees and defines things.
Gingrich and others of his ilk took a page from Madison Avenue and showed it to their right wing peers. Now right wing think tanks make up definitions we all come to accept like "death tax", "flip-flopper", "insurgents" and "collateral damage".
It follows that as long as we allow ourselves to be defined by oligarch propaganda, a liberal democracy such as those in Nordic countries will remain elusive.
Though rescuing the meaning of "liberal" may be essential, it should not be difficult. After all the Jesus conservatives coopted, was a liberal.
"There is no way that we are going to go in and to steamroll anyone's vision," said Phil Strub, the top Pentagon liaison to the film industry."
After decades of Hollywood setting stories in mega-mansions inhabited by class-unconscious characters, the Pentagon finds itself mysteriously benefitting from the resulting cultivated culture of mega-materialism, with audiences of these films and shows enthusiastically feeding the world's dominant military machine with 50 cents out of each and every tax dollar. The Pentagon doesn't have to steamroll the visions of filmmakers because the general vision driven by self-serving capitalism serves the Pentagon as much as anybody. God Bless the United States of America!
"It's his job to help decide which movies should get Army help."
Please, someone, tell me this is illegal.
Only slightly off the subject...I'm thinking about selling t-shirts with a big picture of John McCain and the words: Baby Killers Make Better Presidents....Any orders?
Memo to the good col.: I suspect he the only thing he knows about the Vietnam war is what he has heard. It was a total lie just like the crap he wants to foist on the kids today. When I got drafted and went to do my "patriotic duty" I was clueless. The col. should look at the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and find out it was a lie not unlike WMDs, yellow cake, nukes etc. He and his ilk will have to climb ober my dead body before you get my grandsons!
War, Inc.
It's a dark depiction of stolen freedom and perverted corporate/military/industrial greed... wayyy over the top and so right on the mark that it's hard to laugh, even at the hilarious takes. I'm afraid it will be relegated to "cult classic" given that we still have a slim chance of putting this crap behind us and perhaps be allowed to gain some less than dire perspective.
It will probably go straight to DVD given the relentless opposition to releasing it widespread... watch for it in about 5 months.
I'm sure it's on the military's list of "must see".
Quite possibly the best war movie ever made (I didn't see it but read the book) was 'Johnny Got His Gun' written by Dalton Trumbo.
Mordechai Shibikov.
The Green Berets was a blast. You had the draft dodger John Wayne and his crew of old fucks playing a bunch of old fat commie fighters. And, the end with the Sun setting in the South China Sea...Priceless.
Peace man,
All Quiet on the Western Front or Dos Boot, check them out. Down Fall is great, but the zionist controlled Hollywood gave it a limited release.
warmest regards.
Equating entertainment with reality guarantees confusion in children and lack of good sense in adults. Entertainment is not reality and I personally don't care who makes movies as long as all are free to do so. Best war pic.--Lina Wertmuller's " Seven Beauties " Italian 1976
@toast July 7th, 2008 6:46 pm
"War Inc"
Thanks for the tip. It has been a long time since I watched anything from Hollywood.
CD will censor if I post more than two links, so hers is one link with all the links:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War,_Inc.
It got bad reviews. But if you went only by the reviews, you would never watch Michael Moore. But... I shall watch it and see.
This basically what ex-marine Ron Riggle does when he's not busy producing pro-military segments for the Daily Show. He is currently a public affairs officer with the New York City Public Affairs unit. I can always count on the Daily show for quality military propaganda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Riggle
Prairiedog,
'All Quiet On The Western Front' was a masterpiece. 'Das Boot' is a great film too. I never heard of, 'Down Fall.' I'll have to check it out.
I saw a special screening of 'Platoon' at UCLA before it was released, and Oliver Stone had Q&A afterwards. I told him he'd be at the Academy Awards the following year and he blushed a little.
Did you see, 'Breaker Morant'? A true story and I think an award winning film. I highly recommend it.
In your response to Mordechai about 'The Green Berets' with John Wayne, it was probably the most unrealistic and unbelievable movie Wayne ever made.
Peace and Harmony to You
What nonsense Prairiedog. Keep your filthy anti-Semitism to yourself. Here in Australia Downfall went really well. I think you'll find what kept it off the screens in the US is the well-known resistance by American filmgoers to films that are subtitled.
I was interested in the latest Indiana Jones movie to note that the director seemed to be very reluctant to show US service men guarding the military facility at the start of the movie gunned down. You didn't see them getting shot at all and then a short shot of a couple of bodies being dragged away. I wondered if there a reluctance at the moment to showing US soldiers being killed.
I have also wondered if a film maker whose film was not approved of by the military and who therefore could not get access to military hardware would be sued for some sort of copyright breach if they used CGI to recreate that hardware??
It is about time they remade The Dirty Dozen in Iraq. About a group of sociopaths and criminals let loose to gain victory over the enemy.
I think the old British war movies are better fits. You know, the redcoats surrounded by Indians (East and American), Zulus, Arabs, Boers, Russians, Turks, Malaysians, Chinese, Japanese... while performing their white man's burden of making the world safe for the East India Company and keeping the sun always shining on the Union Jack.
bbr-001
LOL...I like your sense of humor. We certainly need a laugh or two these days.
It's going to be an impossible mission to make a illegal war into something that's respectable and honorable! Do these people really think most American's are that ignorant?????? Only those who voted for Bush are that dumb and stupid! Most avid movie goers like myself can spot propaganda a mile away! And it gets switched off!!!! Which is why I have never seen 'Green Berets'. It was clear years ago what it was.
Here's my idea for a Hollywood horror flick:
"The Reptilian Beasts who sucked the Lifeblood out of America and called it Patriotism."
Coming soon to your neighborhood.
What, militarising schools, selling combat computer games, permeating the popular culture with movies and tv shows celebrating war, torture and violence hasn't been enough to brainwash the nation? They want to do it even more blatantly? Well, with resistance to propaganda so low, they will doubtless get away with it.
We should change the acronym from -
MIC (Military-Industrial-Complex) to -
MIMIC (Military-Industrial-Media-Infotainment-Complex),
as MIMIC is much more desciptive in both contexts.
Start using the new acronym - MIMIC