For whatever reson US of A is subservient to Israel, a criminal country with a criminal past. Both presidential candidates kiss Israel's ass knowing very well no one can win any election without Zionist money.
The USA does this at it's own peril.
An attack on Iran will be so costly to the already financial bankrupt USA (and the rest of the world) that it just might end the US imperial ambitions and plunge the country into it's worst economic distaster.
It will devastate what is left of the economy.
Maybe an attack on Iran would be good. It might end the state of Israel and bring the overconfident Americans back down to earth.
Israel and no other country is the cause of terrorism and US support for this failed country is the reason why many countries hate America and terrorism is thriving.

Israel is, by far, the WORST ally America has ever had! Even England and Saudi Arabia are lesser pain-in-the-asses.
Why is it that this fact escapes all thinking persons?!

Israel sucks three-plus Billion dollars a year from the US taxpayers and what is our payoff for this ultra-welfare queen/51st state? More BS in the Middle East.

Granted our Military-Industrial complex makes out like the sleazy bandits that they are and we continue to be One Nation-Undereducated.

But as long as none of us can be called "Anti-Sementic" by Israel or their ever evil Christian-zionist lapdogs is all that matters, right?! Dumbasses!

Russia has sold hundreds of anti-ship cruise missiles to Iran. Russian arms manufacturers make the best anti-ship missiles in the world, and our navy has no defense against them. The Exocet (Argentina sunk a British Frigate with one in the Falklands war), the Sunburn, and the SS-NX-26 Yakhonts make our naval ships in the Persian Gulf sitting ducks.

The Iranian military has those missiles deployed on mobile launchers based in hardened shelters all along the Iranian coast on the east side of the Persian Gulf. This means that they can launch Yakhonts missiles at our ships from different angles. The Yakhonts travels at Mach 2.9 (about 2000 miles and hour) 22 feet above the surface of the sea, making it invisible to radar and other electronic detection. It has the capability of doing violent end maneuvers and crashing straight down into the deck of the targeted ship, or into the conning tower. The Yakhonts becomes visible to a sailor with binoculars or other visual aid about 3 seconds before impact, not enough time to react, especially if missiles have been launched from different angles timed to arrive at target simultaneously.

We could lose 30,000 sailors in a few minutes in the first attacks on U.S. aircraft carriers since the Second World War. This is probably the real reason Secretary of Defense Gates and other U.S. military personnel are unwilling to do the bidding of the right wing Israeli government on this one.

Resistance to war with Iran is much more pronounced in Israel than in the U.S. They need to vote the right wing government out of office.

well, gee gosh...we've never caused a war before...have we? this is gosh golly totally unexpected

Debmcd July 8th, 2008 3:53 pm

"All I can say is that WOMEN should rule the world"

That's sexism!

There are good and bad among men and women, just as there is in all races and nations.

More balance and co-operation between the sexes would help, but making one sex boss over the other, thereby reversing the current imbalance, would not give us peace.

We need equality - not domination.

All I can say is that WOMEN should rule the world. Look what men have done to it. They are pigs who think only of playing soldiers. They don't care about their own citizens or the planet we live on. Men need to get out of the way for women to take over every country.

In the interest of accuracy, Hitler did not apply the term 'Gotterdammerung', indeed the German equivalent to Norse mythology's 'Ragnarok', the end of all things, to the Battle of the Bulge, which he intended to turn the terminally lost war around in favor of his Nazi regime; he applied it instead to the Battle of Berlin, which he DID strive to make the violent end of that city, Nazism and Germany as a whole, including him (via his suicide), and as much of both the Allied forces and the Russian Army as he could arrange, in this, his effort to take as much of civilization with him as possible in defeat, he issured the order for the destruction of the entire German infrastructure, including Berlin's, to be engineered by Albert Speer, his minister of armaments.

Once again, and as dismally as ever, I read a seemingly unified chorus of impotence from the writers who reach all but hysterical levels of hair-ripping and breast beating over their (and, it is suggested, every American's) total helplessness to have their passionate wishes impact the present administration OR the next, regarding no war with Iran and withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.

If this is not a self-fulfilling prophecy of helplessness I have never read one. And it is based entirely on false and/or illusory premises.
Like, 'even if we fire the frauds who betrayed us in '06, nothing will ever change!' Oh, really?
Have you TRIED? Recall that it was the Republicans that got fired that year, NOT Democrats.
How about we try firing all, but the honest handful, of DEMOCRATS in November? Thinks that wouldn't come as a shock? Think again. That would FedEx a a tsunami of fear through the whole bloody party!!! You can't sellout if you can't hold on to your office, capische? Any Democrat who votes to re-elect any of those two-faced perk suckers come election day better not be someone who wailed about helplessness in this forum.

Then who DO we vote for? What's wrong with the nearest Socialist?
They damn sure don't have corporate backers! Or write-in Donald Duck. Just DON'T VOTE FOR THEM!

Bummed becuz both monopoly parties suck from the same fascist teats? Get active in establishing a viable 3rd Party movement. And making it Populist. It's OUR system! And it was designed to defeat slugs like BoyGeorge and his elitist clot who all like POWER way too much.
Locally, even if an alternative candidate didn't make it through the monopoly-controlled primary system, vote for'em anyway! But DO SOMETHING BESIDES WHINE!!!
I suppose BLEAT would be a bit more accurate for all of you who roll over and play dead like you were born to it.

Who do you think's going to get money out of elections, those who profit from it?
sigh. I can't be the only person with what's left of a spine who's ashamed of what the country I fought for has become.

Can I?

Down with the evil nation - Israel. Oh, should I have said USrael?

Uh, Galen,

I live in an apartment in Chicago....

Stanwix- Plant a garden, learn low-tech survival skills, get to know your neighbors, and learn how to do without. It's coming anyway you slice it, so better to be prepared than a victim.

Well, I guess I'm number 107 or thereabouts. It'll take some stamina for anyone to read this far, but here goes. There's a lot of huffing and puffing going on here, a lot of rhetoric. But could we focus on this: What are we going to DO about it? Besides ventilate, I mean. In fact, you could spare me the ventilating and I wouldn't miss it. Instead could we talk about what might actually make a difference? Some helpful readers have retrieved information on doings in Congress, so we can contact our Senators and Reps. Good start (in fact, I personally spoke with my Rep at a July 4th event and wrote one Senator two weeks ago), but that's probably not all we should be doing to slow the momentum on this thing. Another possibility: Set up a solid, credible display at your local federal building (aka post office) about the costs of war, with a good, well-sourced handout on the prospect of its expansion into Iran. Invite people to sign a petition or provide postcards for them to send to their Reps. I think at this point we need to be communicating with ordinary folks, providing a counter-message, and looking for ways to build broad, coherent opposition. Any other concrete ideas, folks?

The difference between this oncoming 'Great Depression' and the last one is... the one in 1929 ended.

There will be no end to this depression, folks.

Any stimulus the economy will be M.I.C. based, just like last time. But the difference will be that when the war finally ends, there will be no good times, no post war economic boom, no resources to fuel said boom, and a round of asymmetric 'tit-for-tat' warfare that will carry on until modern ammunition stocks are depleted. And such a war will leave even more shortages in place than when the war started, and will probably lead to the fracturing and Balkanization of many meta-nations (the US most definitely included).

What will be left will look a lot like the prolog from the opening minutes of 'The Road Warrior'.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a--8AJe9lLg

The Democrats, along with the Republicans of course, don't deserve any votes. As usual, they will do nothing to stop this unprovoked, pre-emptive attack on Iran for war profiteering/oil. This country should have 5 parties, not just "two" parties that are actually two sides of the same coin and work together for the same goals.

"Pre-emptive" war needs to be outlawed internationally. The psychos running the U.S. have illegally attacked and occupied Iraq over lies and then blame it on "faulty intelligence."

If the U.S. can do these war crimes and then use "faulty intelligence" as an excuse, it should never be allowed to attack any country pre-emptively. A pre-emptive attack should be outlawed. This isn't the lawless Wild West (or is it?).

Elderlady July 7th, 2008 10:30 am

Thanks, I'm with you.

Kivals,

Eleanor Roosevelt said it best: "No one can make you feel insignificant, without your consent."

I refuse to feel insignificant.

My parents survived a "great depression." I expect I will also.

BTW - I just made a modest campaign contribution to a progressive candidate in Georgia.

That is my alternative.

Elderlady,

The whining is done with a purpose. By respectfully stating that the US political system is completely broken, the intention is to convey that following a path using conventional processes is hopeless, regardless of whether it involves supporting third parties. It appears extremely likely that another great depression is heading our way, and also extremely likely that the fascists in charge will prevent any meaningful change through conventional political means, no matter how great the desire by the people. So it can be helpful to prepare others to begin thinking about what alternatives they may be willing to engage in.

Oh my gosh. All the gloom and doom. Nothing is accomplished by people who sit around, type on a keyboard and wring their hands.

Folks, there are true progressive candidates running for Congress all over this country. They are running against all odds. They are running against Republicans, and Conservative Democrats alike.

Find out who they are. Send some financial support. Help get them elected. If you live in their district. Volunteer. Only when we replace those members of Congress, who no longer represent the people, will we get our government back.

Quit your "bit**ing. Send what money you can. Volunteer what of your time you can.

Nader is not going to save us. Neither is Cynthia McKinney. Neither is Obama, without a more progressive Congress, who along with other progressive citizens, will hold his administration accountable.

Get our your check book. Progressives are waiting for help. Put on your sneakers, and block walk for votes for the progressive candidates in your area.

Do something more than whine.

We can only hope that not even Bush and Dick Vader are that maniacial. And that Congress gets busy and stops that possibility in its tracks.

Another straw on the camel's back demonstrating that the Bush crooks are no more responsive to the desires, hopes, dreams, and wishes of the American people than any group of Mafia dons would be. I pity anyone who thinks our so-called "democratic processes" are worth more than a warm bucket of spit (paraphrasing Garner on the VP job). The US political system is not just broken, but it has been smashed into so many pieces that no one could ever put it back together again.

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IMPEACHMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMPEACH both Bush and Cheney ................ NOW

Derail these Iran attack plans .............. NOW

Bring our Troops home........................ ASAP

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Good one Eric--and Sy Hersh: this was only the worst-kept secret on the entire planet for the last 3 years.

They won't be "vaulting the propaganda" for this one as it won't work; however, "vaulting" a false flag terror attack on Portland Oregon with a radioactive dirty bomb would do the trick (far less terrifying than it sounds--most deaths will occur in the Nascar race out of town on every available road). The boat of course will be Iranian, or the container will be, or the captain with have had a Koran in his cabin...

"Mandrake... have you ever heard of... Islamofascism?"
"Oh, um, heh heh, no Jack I don't believe I have..."

We need to do all we can to stop this madness. Here is a resource page for information on Res 362, which calls for a naval blockade on Iran (in essence, the words are not in there, but it does say all refined oil should be prohibited from entering Iran, is there a way that is possible without a naval blockade)

Much more here...
http://stopaipac.org/iranresolution.htm

PS Cong. Barney Frank has repudiated his support of the resolution, let's hope this is part of a trend.

Seems we have one or two anti-semites on the threads tonight!

--tommytoons55 July 7th, 2008 12:22 am
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Uh-oh, tommytoons has trotted out the de rigor anti-semite smear, to intimidate critics of Israel. Sorry, you've cried wolf once too often.

I haven't seen any anti-semites on this thread, but I have seen bamabanjo, spewing pro-Zionist garbage, probably in support of attacking Iran, although his posts are so cryptic it's hard to be sure.

@turce - Cok Gazel ! Keep it up - you are NOT alone in those thoughts.

Americans will give up their mad orgy of stoking conflict all over the globe ONLY if there is DRAFT.Not as long as there is volunteer army
It is THAT simple, STUPIDS

physicscitizen: "Congressional resolution to establish a military blockade of Iran. If this is true then, people, we need to get on the phones"

Hell no. Let the axis elites continue to shoot themselves in the foot. A blockade is not effective against societies like Iran because they are independent, self-sufficient, unlike the frantic USA and Israel which are dependent on globalized "economic growth at all cost" to prop up their unstable Friedmanite capitalism. Let 'em blockade Iran - they will only shoot themselves in the foot yet again.

I seriously doubt that the U.N. would do much if this were to happen; they haven't re. the U.S. attack on Iraq, which was -and continues to be- in violation of U.N. precepts.

It would be helpful if the members of Congress and the military hierarchy would remember that their duty is to the constitution and the public, not the president.

IMPEACH NOW.

I'm just waiting either for a group rendition from the Musical, "Annie"; "the sun will come up tomorrow", or Edwinn Starr's song, "War".I wonder which rendition will play out?

By the way, Hitler's wish for Gotterdammerung really came out when he dictated his Last Will and Testament in his Bunker as Soviet Troops were within blocks of the Chancellery in April of 1945, thats when the Order went out to have Germany reduced to ashes because, "the german people were not up to the greatness I as their leader had envisioned them too be." Also, the music that Hitler was playing in the background was Named, Gotterdammerung, written by that great anti-semite, Wagner! Seems we have one or two anti-semites on the threads tonight!

I always like the classic movie "On the Beach" with Gregory Peck. I recenlty read the book by Neil Shulte. It was written in a different era but after the bombs were dropped questions from Australian officals - "Why Didnt anybody try to stop this craziness?" Well now we realize there is nothing we can do.

Gule Gule, Cok Deli domus

11/20/05

No matter how far you've come
down the wrong road, turn back.

~ Turkish Proverb

To:
The Honourable John Kerry
U.S. Senator, Massachusetts
241 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510I

Dear Senator Kerry

Image that you're a good guy who has been hypnotized. When you come to your senses you see that you are wearing a pirate suit. You are holding a knife and a bag of other peoples' money. You are standing on the deck of somebody else's ship, and you are up to your elbows in blood. What do you do?

You do this. You drop the knife and the money and you turn yourself in. You go home. You can make sense of it later. The cleaning crew will take care of the mess.

Sincerely

Mike Moore
Oracle, AZ

Rule #1. Follow the money! Who is the u s of a indebted to? They call the shots, they pull the strings, they lead the band. Go back to sleep, it will all be over soon.

Turce - A troublemaker is just one step short of an evildoer. Be afraid.
July 6th, 2008 9:58 pm
Turce -

FYI, I am a professor emeritus of this site, on temporarty sabbatical. You are obviously a troublemaker. Here at CD we have our ways of dealing with tms.

vox

MM, lonely, genderless, old man. Best to take your ire out on someone you may frighten. bad choice.

BE AFRAID MICHAEL? ok. You got it, I will be watching you.

"Bush is a treasonous Traitor, who deserves to be arrested and removed from the Once White House. His statement that he trusts Israel's intelligence community more than ours is treason."

--Mik @ 6:17 pm
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(definitions from dictionary.com):
treason
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

disloyalty
1. the quality of being disloyal; lack of loyalty; unfaithfulness.
2. violation of allegiance or duty, as to a government.
3. a disloyal act.

The first two definitions of treason are questionable. I would argue that US politicians who take money from the Israel Lobby are being disloyal to their country. Israel is no friend of the US. Bush's soul-mate and idol, yes. Israel tried to sink one of our ships, murdered our sailors, routinely engages in espionage against us, and routinely subverts our foreign policy for their own ends, namely, getting us to finance and defend their land-grabs in the ME.

Thomas Jefferson obviously thought that overthrowing our government was not treason under certain circumstances:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

--Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, 2nd paragraph.

Who the hell is this ultraZionist Bamabanjo troll? Go read the Worldnetdaily. That's a playpen for Zionist neocons like you.

Turce - A troublemaker is just one step short of an evildoer. Be afraid.

Why michael moore, nobody cares...
I see, Arizona can be droll.

Nice new folder vox. Will be glad to ask Conyers and Dennis on 7/8 what opinion they have, as well.

voxclimantis, is that a threat? I shall print and store it for the ACLU

Turce -

FYI, I am a professor emeritus of this site, on temporarty sabbatical. You are obviously a troublemaker. Here at CD we have our ways of dealing with tms.

vox

We can not let the attack on Iran occur Whan can be done?

A nationwide debate of consequences is in order

Wow, didn't expect that I would ever see eye to eye with Nessie on anything (see link from sl63) based on his fanatical, blind, rantings on SFIMC (defunct) back in the day.
But he does get it right on a few things:

-The real anti-Semites say that America is Israel's puppet, that we are ruled by "ZOG," the "Zionist Occupation Government."
- I have no quarrel with spiritual Zionism. I think that reverence for land, and the respect for life that goes with it, is a good thing - a very good thing.
- Jews have a right to live in the Land With Two Names in peace, unmolested by their neighbors.
- Jews, like all peoples, are a mixed bunch.

And then Gilad actually has a decent discussion of the concept of chosenness. Clearly, there's plenty more in the article that I wouldn't agree with, but if even these concepts came through here on this site that would probably be a good thing.

C I N D Y _ S H E E H A H,

Thanks again for BE'ing a beacon for us to better see by and by.

Perhaps I am too unsavory, but this is how I feel. Instead of your use of "war-corporatocracy party", which I like, consider this twist:war-corporape-of-America party ?
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King

Good thing we can name the problem. Now what are we going to do to stop it...peacefully of course. Get off your asses.

Cindy- Just before gas hits $8/gal. head up to Vancouver, BC.

We will welcome you with open arms.

Thanks for your support!

Defeating Pelosi will be a message to the other members of the war-corporatocracy party that we are not going to take it any more.

xoxo
Cindy

Gilad Atzmon also makes an insightful point about how Zionist trolls get their kicks in this interview:

I read your site and follow the Zionist verbal abuse. It is clear that those Zionists, who stand behind those provocations, enjoy the public contempt they manage to generate. They enjoy being ugly. We have to remember that the Zionist identity is defined by negative dialectic, by its opposition.

In other words, feeding such trolls is providing them with the very sustenance they crave.

voxclimantis,
here is a short list, went through archives
physicscitizen
meetmrcallahan
Cheyney-power
toast
hamster
off22
thadeusstephens
kloro

There needs to be a french style revolution; line up the congress, senate, the white house and all the lobbyists for the guillotine and start over.

Again, welcome to Stormfront West. These white supremacist, X-tian identity posters are at it again. Countdown to Khazars, Protocols, hook noses, etc. in 3 – 2 - ….

Can't take responsibility for our government's own failings.. so… must.. blame… on… Jews… never heard that before…

Chosenness… only… allowed… for… white… Aryans…

No, oil men like Bush/ Cheney not to blame… swallow… Republican.. propaganda…

Iran/ Hezbollah/ Hamas… our best friends… beliefs align perfectly with our Jew hatred… I mean our progressiveness… I mean….

Jews go back to the sea… I mean Europe… I mean Palestine… whatever… control media… banks… government… don't forget dual citizenship…

Must.. kill… Jews… to … save … humanity…

David Duke still sucks. So do his parrots…

voxclimantis, sorry @ misspelling

voxclamintis, to what are you referring? the unusual point? if you think not, actually you're not on this site regularly anyway.

As the ex-Israeli jazz artist, Gilad Atzmon who managed to wrench himself free of the well-worn mental ruts that inhibit thinking and seeing in his birthplace wrote a couple of days ago:

The Jewish state is on its very last declining phase. Seemingly, its leaders do not try to conceal their sinfulness anymore. The level of evil they perform on a daily basis will consume them before anything else. A culture that strives on hate and retaliation is doomed to crumble. All that is left to do is to keep the pressure and to expose them and their supporters amongst us for what they are.

Unfortunately, and this is indeed a tragedy, the Palestinians are at the forefront of the most crucial battle for a better world. The Palestinians have been captured in a grave encounter with a psychotic, phantasmic, bloodthirsty self-centric Jewish national identity that knows no mercy.

Nowadays, when Israel and its supportive lobbies are manifestly doing whatever they can to drag us all into a third world war, standing up for Palestine is the least we can do. As things stand, a tiny brave deprived nation is facing totally alone what seems to be the world's greatest enemy of peace: namely Israel. As much as it is heartbreaking to see, this Palestinian battle is our battle. To liberate Palestine is to save humanity.

Would not a blockade work two ways? The world needs Iran's crude oil more than Iran needs refined petroleum. Iran could shut down its oilfields, ration food and fuel, and watch world wide oil prices go ballistic.

At the same time sympathetic Shiites in Iraq might sabotage progress made with Iraq's oil infrastructure.

If Iranian public opinion isn't already overwhelmingly anti-Israel and anti-US, a blockade would make it certain. Lets burn all the bridges and cement hatred for another generation.

Bush won't be happy until he has murdered millions of people, animals and the environment. And the Jewish lobby be dammned. And the Congress be damned for allowing this pig to continue his destruction of life, liberty and freedom.

Turce -

Well, ummmm... nope.

To: lisa3210peace
When you find out how to recover our government from serfdom to the government of Israel, please let me know. Israel is sometimes referred to as the "51st State". It is really inaccurate to refer to a master state as a vassal state--Israel calls the shots, and the USA dances to their tune. We even pay, via diverted foreign aid, for the humiliation of being a vassal to Israel. There needs to be legal action to end the treason that constitutes the current hold of Israel on US politics.

Such single minded obsession in the leaders and armies of Israel. What could change the collision course after so many years of mind conditioning? Israel is the battering ram for the US in the middle east. The US is the team of pile drivers that are ramming against the doors. Inside are the starving, over-crowded, besieged luckless inhabitants with an ancient culture. The end result could be massacre, carnage and rape on a continental scale. Not even the fear of response in kind holds back the rabid zionist military machine. The biblical race of hyenas packs together again.

The biggest irony is that our Congress is being bought by our own money. We send $billions every year to Israel; should it surprise anybody that some of it comes right back to our politicians in the form of bribes^H^H^H^H^H^Hcampaign contributions?

The Israelis want us to attack Iran for obvious reasons: they want their enemies in the Middle East destroyed, and they can't do it by themselves. So their aim with all that lobbying is to sucker us into doing it for them. Iraq was a good start, from their point of view, and an invasion of Iran would be even better. Whether these wars are good for us is completely irrelevant in Israel's calculations.

If we are ruined by our blunders in the Middle East, it will be largely because of our unstinting generosity to Israel: the Israelis show their gratitude for our charity by using it to exploit us.

If this is true then I'd be perfectly happy to see the Israelis thrown into the sea so they can wander the earth for another few thousand years before they get a chance to fuck over anyone else like they're fucking over the United States (with the complicity of idiot American politicians) and the Middle East.

Right after the bombing will be a great time to buy stocks since the stock markets will drop like a rock, probably losing at least 40% of their value. But, what to buy???

Bush is a treasonous Traitor, who deserves to be arrested and removed from the Once White House. He's statement that he trust the Israel's intelligence community more than ours is treason He should be treated as a traitor in time of war and charged with the over a million murders he's perpetrated over oil, its time for justice and now. Its time to get these mad monsters out of control of our destiny and charge them with the crimes they have committed, now. Demand your Senators not support Telephone company immunity over the spying issues, Its our countries survival at stake F==k bush cheney and their corrupt murdering bastards they hire and prop up, I love America and her people, Stand your ground all Americans and Flush the shit out of the White House and give it back to the people.

Has anyone noticed on quite a few threads today some very, in great amounts, different people are on making quite uneducated comments?

wilmoor | 5:19 pm

I wonder if Iran knows where the nuclear arsenal in Israel is?
__________________________________________

Israel has a nuclear arsenal? Who knew?

;)

Pretty much all 435 members of Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court represent as meat-puppets for their Israeli masters. Since they all took oaths to defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic they are guilty of treason.

Of course there is nobody in Washington left to uphold the law. The US is like Germany in WWI with the imperial class killing the working people in useless, futile wars that present no risk to themselves.

I wonder how that got sorted out? I'll look it up.

AUTUMN IS ON FIRE.

Did you feel the white hot flash as it lit up the sky

Do you think its an attack, do you think we will die

Is there anywhere to run

Is it worth a final try

Did you feel the searing pain as the heat burned your brain

Is it just another warning or the Americans again

Have they launched a nuclear strike

Would they be that insane

Autumn skies are crimson

The code word is Expire

And the ground is molten hot

Cos Autumn

is on fire

Did you bounce around like a stone crashin on the shore

Were you taken by surprise, no declaration of this war

They came out of the darkness

Babylon's unleashed the whore

Autumn skies are crimson

The stakes have risen higher

Smell of burning everywhere

Cos autumn

is on fire

© roger antony carter 2007

Bush/Cheney want to make sure that the military draft will have to be re-instated before they go out of office. And make no mistake, there will be plenty of loopholes that allow rich kids to get out of it or be deferred because of attending college. And because exorbitant tuition tends to prohibit many children from middle and lower income families from attending college now, we know who is gonna be the cannon fodder.

And Rome lost it's empire because it started relying on mercenary forces, which turned on it.

I wonder if Iran knows where the nuclear arsenal in Israel is?

umlaut - the repugs are very busy spreading the word that the rising cost of gas is the dems fault. This is going to be the biggest part of this phase of the election - to make sure Obama doesn't get elected - because the high price of gas now tops all the rest. Health care, the economy, the war, have all sunk to the bottom as ever more of our hard earned money goes into the gas tank.

physicscitizen July 6th, 2008 1:56 pm
It has been referred to the House committee on foreign affairs. This might mean that it is signaled to die in committee.

But an e-mail to your representative and a letter to the Chairman of the committee on foreign affairs would not go amiss.
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Yes it will go "amiss", emails are not seen for 90 days and they could give a wit. No it does NOT mean it will die in Committee, it will be referred back to the House.
poopdeck, an HConRes is just that, it's a Congrssional Resolution not a bill. I say all this not to be a wise guy, I do this all day long. I am not inferring stupidity on anyones behalf.
If you want to call here are 2 Toll Frees:
800-828-0498
800-459-1887
These are the switchboard #'s, they'll Xfer you and count on getting Xferred to the wrong office alot, but that office will Xfer you to whomever you need to speak with.
If anyone EVER figures out how to STOP a war, clue me in I've never seen that trick yet. What happen to Israel sitting silent for what, hmmm 10 hours?
Screw this. If they get a Declaration of War, first they need an HJRes, then according to Article.I.Section.8., Clause 11 "the Congress shall have power to declare War..., so if this occurs, it did not for Iraq that is why it is considered an illegal invasion, then Congress agreed.

Iran is in a great position to stop shipping in the Persian Gulf. A few thousand mines adrift, some tankers hit with missiles, and the world's largest petroleum supply will be largely cut off.

Here we go. Iraq took our minds off of Enron. Iran will take our minds off the pending economic collapse of the US? Oh Georgie, my hat's off to yu.

No one but a psychotic scion of Richfilth animals could destroy the greatest Empire ever seen in the history of the world. Georgie, you did what no external enemy could ever do.

The world owes you a lasting debt. Now just hurry up and die.

Nobody here is going to prevent OR CAUSE anything. Haven't in 40 years, what makes you think anything you do will have any impact now? How many brigades do you command? How many millions of Americans will march with you in the streets? Hmmnn? Sorry about the death agonies. This is the path the American people chose.

How many? Not nearly enough.

WHILE I FEEL FOR THE IRANIANS I HOPE ISRAEL DOES ATTACK THEM---THEN WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF ELIMINATING ISRAEL ONCE AND FOR ALL........

This is IMPORTANT: Please contact your Reps. & Senators to oppose Resolution 362!
This is sponsored by Voters for Peace;

Oppose Resolution 362
The resolution's key section "demands that the president initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program."

This resolution essentially calls for an act of war – a naval blockade of Iran. If passed by the Congress and Bush does what is asked it ensures war with Iran. Iran is three times the size of Iraq. If you think the Iraq war and occupation have been bad, wait till you see what war with Iran brings.

Write Representatives;
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1312/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=25060

Write Senators;
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1312/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=25062

If we flood their inboxes, maybe we can prevent THIS war!

doom n gloom, what is up with the "beer swilling" invective? maybe you meant nascar watching, reality show watching....redneck or gay? perhaps sipping on a glass of fine port or expensive champange would make one more inclined to rational thought. as a craft brewer i think your inference is way off base. dont judge the judgement or capacity for intelligence of others by their predilections or life-style choices. it makes your opinion so unworthy of consideration.

Asymmetrical war means that the better equipped, wealthier country or group has the most targets. The poor desperate country has the most suicide bomber candidates.

Congratulations USA you are target land.

I think aipac is using the election to get a strategic target taken out. Anyone who defies toughness against Iran, loses the Jewish vote, but if the shit hits the fan with 6 dollar a gallon gas, the reps will not be seen for a long time, unless a major escalation happens and the sheep vote for the war vet.

God it sucks to be gen-ex. We didn't get the good drugs or sex. We got the Brady Bunch, MTV the internet and this decade of shit, and, will have to pay out the ass for SS and the damage to this planet.

Nothing to get so worked up about.

Iran and Hormuz and all that are on the other side of the world. If USA military (those brave boys and girls) throw missiles and airstrikes and whatnot at Iran, it isn't going to endanger anyone in any of the 50 states. Iran can't reach Israel, really, with all that USA fire power defending the seas and skies.
And, as I say, you Americans are protected by oceans and distance.
Just remember, your military is doing all this far far away from you, so don't sweat it.
Other states in the region won't be bothered either; Russia, has some exchanges with Iran, but they won't do anything except pick up a few of the leftovers; India, who has just signed a pipeline deal with Iran, will wait till it all blows over; China, just wants to run the Olympics without any more glitches, so forget them; Pakistan, all the other 'Stans, will duck their heads and hope they aren't next.
Israeli and USA military won't suffer any casualties, and the oil producers will raise production to cover the temporary jiggle in Iran's oil production.

So, relax, neighbours. If you're a bit bothered, just threaten to vote for the other party, you know, not the one you always vote for, but the other one, in November...that'll fix them down there in Washington.

Your vote threats make them look before they leap.

American imperialist dominionist megalomania supported by American Jews, fundamentalist Christians, and beer swilling flag waving American's will launch a war against Iran fated to failure and probable Islamic blowback in America. The political stage is set and there appears to be NOTHING that anyone can do to reverse it. The dogs of war are preparing to be loosed. The greatest reality show on Earth is coming to your neighborhood this summer. Who among you is best qualified to survive small pox, radioactive explosions, and economic collapse. The winners will receive one million useless inflated dollars and enjoy the benefits of violent anarchy and mass death. Only the strong will survive, for the first month, then even they will die. Bring it on!

Gee, I remember the good old days when there was a system of checks and balances that made it impossible for some loony in the White House to destroy the country. Uhhhh... must have been a dream.... or maybe a movie on late-night teevee. Anyhow, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

The Battle of the Bulge was not even Germany's last offensive.
That would be Operation Konrad, the attempted relief of Budapest, in Jan. 1945. But that didn't occur on the Western front, against Americans, so it gets ignored in Western history. No surprise there.

Ancient Athens lost its empire and its freedom because it allowed itself to be dragged into wars involving its surrogates and allies. Eventually they were fighting everybody.

The last German Kaiser lost his throne and empire because he blindly supported his ally (Austria-Hungary) right into World War I.

The short-term political advantages of supporting more militarism, more war, by our un-representatives in government will lead us to disaster and perhaps oblivion.

WHY is anyone surprised that Bushwack is starting yet another war that he will not have to fight. He is the classic kid trying to prove he is bigger, better and can cause more attention getting than his father.

Some of us have known this since Reagan knew his worthlessness to the world. You know who you are.

The National Security Presidential Directive 51 (giving the Executive responsibility for ensuring constitutional government IN AN EMERGENCY) is the one item that will virtually insure we will NOT have an election in November and possibly for years to come because this president is not likely to give up his little kingdom.

Do NOT be surprised when GWB declares a state of emergency in which it is SIMPLY TOO DANGEROUS to have a transition in government or hand over the massive responsibility of governing to an "inexperienced" new administration in the midst of a 'national emergency' such as the bombing of Iran by Israel and OUR NEED to support them OR the U.S. Navy attempting to keep Iran from blocking the shipping lanes in the Straights of Hormuz THEN the rest of the Middle Eastern nations opt in to defend Iran against the "freedom fighters" who have been occupying their neighbor Iraq for five years... FIVE YEARS SINCE "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" !!!!

AND WHERE IS THIS OSAMA GUY? WHERE ARE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUPPOSED THREAT AND CAUSE OF ALL THIS FEAR?

Do NOT be surprised that Cheney/Bush ensconce themselves in another undetermined length of time in office. If you THINK this is outrageously impossible, you have NOT been paying attention to the more than 1,000 signing statements the administration has quietly used to change every piece of legislation THEY CHOOSE to make it what they want, NOT what the representatives of the people have tried to enact.

PAY ATTENTION - QUESTION AUTHORITY - THAT IS PATRIOTISM.
WE MAY WELL HAVE TO OCCUPY THE OFFICES OF CONGRESS - ALL OF THEM- TO GET THROUGH TO THEM.

Sorry, I was wrong, this is not a new "law" but a House Resolution which, I understand, does not need to be cleared through the Senate.

O Dang, I can't get my Bluetooth to work right, and Customer Support is no help. Boo hoo.

What's for dinner tonight? Oh no, not Dominos again. Yuk.

Hey man, did you finally bed that hottie from work you were tellin' me about? Yeah? She any good? Cool.

What time is it? Miller Time...Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!! Who's pitching for the Yanks, anyway?

What's this about Iran? Where the heck is "Iran!!"

Hey dude, where'd ya get that crazy Ringtone. Gimme that thing, I want one.

Oh now I got a friggin' headache, time to pop another pill...

What, "the Constitution?" What the heck is THAT??

Hey, hey...get ready....the girls just pulled up. Ahhhh....life is sweet :)

A $400-million plan to overthrow Iran's government? That would easily make the US the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. Way to go Bushie!

We can only hope that along with the Bush Junta's 'bunker mentality' there will be a poisoning and bullet in the brains of the entire Bush Administration.

These *imbeciles* are counting on a wider war in the middle East. it will help their stock options in the oil companies (briefly), Halliburton/KBR, Blackwater, raytheon, McDonnall-Douglas, IBM, etc.

For about two weeks.

Then the horrid reality of $200+/bbl savaging the worlds economy will set in. Food deliveries will grind to a halt. oil for heating homes will be gone. And winter will be in full swing in North America and Europe.

BILLIONS will die because of rioting, starvation and cold. millions more will die in the spasm of violence that will engulf the Middle East. Israel will be swept aside like a gnat. Washington, D.C. will burn, torched by a home grown angry mob. The banking system will collapse like the house of cards it is.

Trade, technology and the comfortable life we have grown accustomed to will be over.

Only those who are ready to live close to the ground, using permaculture techniques, low tech and community will survive.