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Barack at Risk
No Retreat: If you Want to Win, Stop the War!
Call him slippery or nuanced, Barack Obama's core position on Iraq has always been more ambiguous than audacious. Now it is catching up with him as his latest remarks are questioned by the Republicans, the mainstream media, and the antiwar movement. He could put his candidacy at risk if his audacity continues to shrivel.
I first endorsed Obama because of the nature of the movement supporting him, not his particular stands on issues. The excitement among African-Americans and young people, the audacity of their hope, still holds the promise of a new era of social activism. The force of their rising expectations, I believe, could pressure a President Obama in a progressive direction and also energize a new wave of social movements.
And of course, there is the need to end the Republican reign that began with a stolen election followed by eight years of war and torture, corporate gouging, environmental decay, domestic spying and right-wing court appointments, just in case we forget who Obama is running against.
Besides the transforming nature of an African-American presidency, the issue that matters most to me is achieving a peaceful settlement of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and preventing American escalations in Iran and Latin America. From the beginning, Obama's symbolic 2002 position on Iraq has been very promising, reinforced again and again by his campaign pledge to "end the war" in 2009.
But that pledge also has been laced with loopholes all along, caveats that the mainstream media and his opponents [excepting Bill Richardson] have ignored or avoided until now. As I pointed out in Ending the War in Iraq [2007], Obama's 2002 speech opposed the coming war with Iraq as "dumb", while avoiding what position he would take once the war was underway. Then he wrote of almost changing his position from anti- to pro-war after a trip to Iraq. He never took as forthright a position as Senator Russ Feingold, among others. Then he adopted the safe, nonpartisan formula of the Baker-Hamilton Study Group, which advocated the withdrawal of combat troops while leaving thousands of American counter-terrorism units, advisers and trainers behind.
That would mean at least 50,000 Americans, including back up forces, engaged in counter-insurgency after the withdrawal of combat troops, a contradiction the media and Hillary Clinton failed to explore in the primary debates. To his credit, Obama said that these American units would not become caught up in a lengthy sectarian civil war, leaving the question of their role unanswered.
The most shocking aspect of Samantha Powers' forced resignation earlier this year was not that she called Hillary Clinton a "monster" off-camera, but that she flatly stated that Obama would review his whole position on Iraq once becoming president. Again, no one in the media or rival campaigns questioned whether this assertion by Powers was true. Since Obama credited Powers with helping for months in writing his book, The Audacity of Hope, her comments on his inner thinking should have been pounced upon by the pundits.
Finally, it has taken the pressure of the general election to raise questions about whether his parsed and lawyerly language is empty of credible meaning. Consider carefully his July 4 statements:
The first one, promising a "thorough reassessment" of his Iraq position later this summer:
"I've always said that the pace of our withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability" -- two conditions that could justify leaving American troops in combat indefinitely. "And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies" -- another loophole which could allow the war to drag on.
Then there came the later "clarification":
"Let me be as clear as I can be" [not, "let me be absolutely clear"].
"I intend to end this war." [intention only].
"My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war -- responsibly, deliberately, but decisively." [ Sounds positive, but "decisively" can mean by military threat in the worst case. And it's pure theatre, borrowed from Clinton, since the plans most likely will be drafted and finalized immediately after the November election.]
"And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one or two brigades a month..." [but what if the military commanders on the ground assert that it is too dangerous to pull out those troops?]
Obama's position, which always left a trail of unasked questions, now plants a seed of doubt, justifiably, among the peace bloc of American voters who harbor a legacy of betrayals beginning with Lyndon Johnson's 1064 pledge of "no wider war" through Richard Nixon's "secret plan for peace" to Ronald Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal and the deep complicity of Democrats in the evolution of the Iraq War.
It is difficult to understand Obama's motivation. Perhaps it is his lifetime success at straddling positions and disarming potential opponents. Perhaps it is a lawyer's training. Perhaps being surrounded by national security advisers who oppose what they call "precipitous withdrawal", and pragmatic Democrats distinctly uncomfortable with their antiwar roots.
What is clear is that Obama is responsive to pressures from the grass-roots base of a party that is overwhelmingly in favor of a shorter timetable for withdrawal than his, and favoring diplomatic rather than military solutions in Afghanistan and Pakistan. At a time that public interest in the war is receeding before economic concerns, it is time for the strongest possible reassertion of voter demands for peace.
The challenge for the peace and justice movement is to avoid falling into Republican divide-and-conquer traps while maintaining a powerful and independent presence in key electoral states, including Congressional battlegrounds, between now and November. There should be at the least:
- A demand that Obama talk to legitimate representatives of the peace movement, not simply hawkish national security advisers.
- A Democratic platform debate and plank that is unequivocal in pledging to end the war and avoid military escalation elsewhere.
- An energized antiwar voter education campaign that builds towards a clear November peace mandate to end the military occupation and shifr to political and diplomatic approraches.
- An organizational strategy to widen the base of the antiwar movement through the presidential campaign in preparation for a massive peace mobilization in early 2009.
Grass-roots people power is the only force that can keep alive the astute sense of pragmatism that led Obama to criticize the coming war in 2002. The stakes are higher now, and the enemies far more shrewd, wishing to rip asunder the Obama coalition. The peace movement assumption should be that there is no one in Obama's inner circle of advisers to be counted on, no mainstream columnist to catch his eye with a persuasive column favoring withdrawal. They never have. Only the voice of the peace voters - and the countless activists who have volunteered on his behalf - can command his attention now.
For more developments and analysis, see 'Progressives for Obama' at progressivesforobama.blogspot.com
Tom Hayden is a former state senator and leader of Sixties peace, justice and environmental movements. He currently teaches at Pitzer College in Los Angeles. His books include The Port Huron Statement [new edition], Street Wars and The Zapatista Reader.
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Show All"Support the candidate, not his particular stands on issues." Ah, the brain dead approach. Perhaps supporting McCain, and allowing a "Republican" coup will allow "grass roots people power" to become more pragmatic, thereby nudging the "right", to no other choice but the "left", ergo "victory" will be at hand.
Hayden, you blew it. You should have supported Edwards or Kucinich.
Game over.
Get on over to votenader.org right now.
Heck, Obama supports going to war with Iran, not ending the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan. The Democratic Party top leadership pretty much all do.
"What is clear is that Obama is responsive to pressures from the grass-roots base of a party that is overwhelmingly in favor of a shorter timetable for withdrawal than his, and favoring diplomatic rather than military solutions in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
This has proven to be the absolute opposite of the truth.
Why has Tom Hayden bothered to make this clearly false statement?
What has happened to him? It's truly sad to lose a great progressive activist to double-think and outright lies.
The Party of the Rich ( er. the Dems and Repubs) will leave Iraq when the oil runs dry...
"... the issue that matters most to me is achieving a peaceful settlement of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ..."
When you insist on confusing a war with an act of piracy, you are drawn into such strange logic as the above, with hijackers seeking a "peaceful settlement" with their victims, who would have been happy not to have been invaded and savaged to begin with. It is no wonder Americans don't know what to do. We can't even think straight.
Obama is just another mask for the NeoFascist GOP. He will do absolutely nothing to return America to democracy.
Obama's just a puppet on a string with Brezenski as the puppet master.
Deal with it.
It's Third Party time folks. I'll never vote for another Democrat as long as I live. They are snakes and traitors to the Constitution every bit as much as the Republicans.
At least Nader's right about Israel/AIPAC and has the guts to speak the truth which is right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=153183
Time to send Nader some money and to start actively working for him so we can get him polling at 15% and get him into the debates in the Fall. (He's already at 6% now).
And remember, he never cost Gore anything in Florida. Gore/Bush stole it from Nader.
The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
"Finally, it has taken the pressure of the general election to raise questions about whether his parsed and lawyerly language is empty of credible meaning." No Tom. It hasn't. It has taken THIS long for YOU to recognize that Obama "is empty of credible meaning. Rather being skeptical (i.e., using the dialectic to see if Obama was pulling your chain), you jumped onto your own projection of what you wanted Obama to be. And, Tom, you have a history, of long ago, not falling into this trap. Come a long way, have we? Rather being skeptical (i.e., using the dialectic to see if Obama was pulling your chain), you jumped onto your own projection of what you wanted Obama to be. And, Tom, you have a history, of long ago, not falling into this trap. Come a long way, have we? It is not Barack that is "at risk". It is, we, who are at risk from a Barack candidacy. There are other than the corporate options, and unlike Tom Hayden, we the people, should be wedded to them.
Jezus H. Christ Tom!
You're clutching at a straw man. Oreobama showed his true colors when he put on that crossed Israeli/US flag pin: all shades of yellow, as in chickenshit. That was the defining moment for me.
"Besides the transforming nature of an African-American presidency," well how about Condi? She's Afro-American AND a woman (that would be transforming as in the Transformers) although she has actually said a few things critical of Israeli policy so she probably wouldn't pass muster.
Tom, I wish you had stayed as crazy-radical-anti-establishment as you used to be. It is still the only thing that makes any sense.
Peace, but keep your powder dry,
Blackfeather7
Send Nader some coin.
He has the courage to say all that stuff you just said, no caveats, no intentions, just what is going to get done. Voting for Obama will not bring peace no matter how much you want it to. We need a voter-education program like you said, so people realize that they AGREE with Nader on a host of issues.
Anybody remember in 06, we HAD a climate of a peace mandate, and gave the Dems plenty of power to do it. Did they? No. This is politics as usual.
Let Ralph Debate, by getting him to 10%.
Organising from the 'Treeroots', we vote with every dollar that we spend and invest. We vote with every hour of everyday that we are alive by working and playing (without spending) for the kind of world that we want to live in and actually create the world economically. Voting every four years has little actual impact considering the hidden economic undercurrents that determine the river's main channel.
Petition your family, neighbours, friends and acquaintances forming Consumer Associations to support local food stores, groceries, supermarkets and restaurants and then do the same with all businesses. Support Employee Association Stock Ownership Savings Plans, Supplier Associations and engage present owners by investing in the capital game but with accounting recognition for the human capital of time, patronage, goods and services. We have the power economically, which when organised cannot be refused.
Learn from indigenous (self-generating) peoples from around the world because they have the template in all life's dimensions.
"You made me, promises promises, you knew you'd never keep!"
I want to see an Anne Faith apology from Daniel David.
Look folks, Obama is a liberal democrat and he is acting like a liberal democrat, so why get so upset?
That's right, it's because you were seduced by Obama, and you woke up this morning realizing that you went to bed with a corporate giggolo.
I would get tested if I were you. You never know what you may have picked up.
McCain is an empty headed old fool. He has no ideas.
The debate now should be to determine if the positions of Nader or those of Obama show the most promise for moving our nation forward. I am not arguing of either of those two right now, I want to hear both men's positions on things such as the Iraq occupation and then decide who has the better plan.
I already know for sure that McCain is full of s**t!
So Tom Hayden says progressives have to do A, B and C to keep the O'Bama puppet in line. What Tom Hayden does not say is that progressives can do D, E and F which greatly erodes the relevancy of the O'Bama puppet. The difference is very significant. The O'Bama puppet represents the Demoks' wedge to preserve the party as an agent of elite exploitation of people. Don't fall in the Demok trap, people. Vote third party progressive if you want the puppet to dance to a progressive tune.
Why do Americans automatically think celebrities are smarter than the rest of us. Do they have some kind of magic insight or something that is forbidden the rest of us? As far as I can see, they are generally less adept at life than us working stiffs....and certainly better insulated from it.
Veteran '66-68
And on an issue that has pretty much been ignored, in spite of the negative impact it has on all the working class and economy:Following the primary, Obama "clarified" his plan to address US poverty, by ENFORCING the workfare labor policies that have, in fact, been (stringently) enforced for the past decade. The chief accomplishment of workfare has been the creation and growth of a massive (desperate) bottom wage/no workers' rights workforce, increasingly used as replacement labor, pulling more and more people into the workfare labor force. Instead of a "trickle down economy", this is more like "trickle up poverty", having a remarkable domino effect on the working class, wiping out unions while suppressing wages.
Today's enforcement tools include the "indefinite" loss of one's children to the foster care industry, and
utter destitution, with likely incarceration as a result. Cities are increasingly using jail to remove the homeless, and not coincidentally, we've seen a massive increase of inmate labor (subcontracted by some of our richest corps, with inmates exploited for a fraction of the wages of free people). In view of this, one can only wonder how Obama intends to ratchet up the mandatory labor measures. Traditional labor camps?
Brilliant, Hayden! Just brilliant. Great reason for endorsement!
Bunch of glib cynics. Obama is the country's
best chance. Obama, are you listening? Fire
your advisers. Replace them with Seymour Hersh and Robert Fisk.
bottle July 5th, 2008 2:45 pm
"Bunch of glib cynics. Obama is the country's
best chance."
You'd better put a cork in that bottle, bottle if you really believe that.
beyond the audacity of hope is the audacity of a pandering, slimy politician seeking power and fame
Look, we have only two chances for a peaceful solution in the MiddleEast -- little and none. The only man still running for president who is absolutely sincere about wanting to get out of the Gulf is Ron Paul, but what are his chances?
So, that leaves us Barack. We must at least try to get him and the DNC turned around again.
I really like Tom's suggestions. What are we waiting for? Thanks Tom -- stay in there fighting.
The truth of the matter is that, at this stage of the game of presidential campaigning, everything a candidate says has got to be "calculated" to attract votes. To be straightforward, candid, and honest is a guarantee to lose the election.
Obama is not the best, but he is the only hope now - so get used to it, and by all means, STOP McCAIN!!!!
I agree with John C.. Obama needs the stupid's support to win. But let Ralph debate.
A statement to Barack Obama, candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America:
Regarding your choice for Vice President of the United States:
Please consider Dennis Kucinich or maybe Russ Feingold or how about a big stretch ... Ralph Nader ... for your running mate? Any one of them will help put iron in your craw and you'd sure have my vote and a host of others because we'd truly know you were a man of principle.
And also you would have one heckava support system for doing what is right for troops and country, and the voters would respond well because these men speak truth and you can hear it loud and clear.
However, if you pick some slippery corporate-allied eel with high-sounding words, we're just going to have more of the same and plunge deeper and deeper into the abyss.
Do us all a favor. Don't start playing footsie with the middle, the left side, the right side. Plant your feet and be the bold, visionary leader that the nation is hungry for right now. You may lose a few votes to the concrete brains, but over-all, I think you'd turn out the strong winner, and so would the country, especially if your Vice President would be an unquestionnably decent, honorable, and courageous man ... as per those mentioned above.
If you start waffling as you seem to be doing, you shoot yourself in the foot, first one and then the other, and then you can't stand tall and strong anymore. And the public will know it, feel that fast.
I'm sure it is a frightening thing to understand that your taking a stand for the strong positions called for right now
pits you against the most evil and corrupt creatures this country has ever had the misfortune to suffer in its leadership.
You have to come to peace with that. As Harry Truman used to say, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Primaries are gamesmenship. You won the game among the candidates of your own Party. You did it well. But the Presidency is the Big Deal, the whole enchilada, and now it's for real, this last run, against folks with fangs, knives, convenient accidents, bullets, and various kinds of poison, figuratively speaking, but sometimes literally.
You wanted it. Come to grips with it. And do the right thing. Your many supporters are counting on it and so are the people, not just in this country, but across the whole world.
peace and good fortune ...
Carol Littlebrant
That's the corporate way. Go for the stupids and dumb down the rest as possible (while discarding or encapsulating those who won't be dumbed down.)
So, Obama will get help get rid of this terrible legislation when he becomes president or he won't abide by it? He'll discover the Constitution? Glad to hear it.
"I want to see an Anne Faith apology from Daniel David." (Retire Green July 5th, 2008 2:03 pm)
Retire Green, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. :)
Common Dreams PROGRESSIVE RESPONSES TO THE OBAMA SHIFT RIGHT:
1) Warnings, griping, apologetics (David Michael Green)
2 Warnings, 3rd party options left to mass base (Amy Goodman, Tom Hayden, Huffington),
3) Warnings, something approaching anger, 3rd party by implication (Lindorff)
Most progressive commentators warn that Obama's shift right may backfire; but none on CD actively counsel progressives to go 3rd party, nor withhold their vote pending an Obama reversal.
THUS: Progressives must now decide whether to grouse and sabre rattle, or declare that Obama has abandoned pre-nomination commitments, and withdraw support (volunteering, donations, commitment to vote for him).
At the least, imo, progressives in non-swing states should declare their intention to vote 3rd party. (But I would advise this irrespective of Obama's recent statements.)
Last, as I've argued elsewhere, progressive force is limited BECAUSE THERE IS NO COHERENT THIRD PARTY. Were there a third party, there would be votes to be contracted in return for negotiated positions.
As usual, Hayden continues to prove that whatever it was he had in the sixties, he lost it a long time ago. He asserts that we "not forget" who has been running the country since the start of the Iraq occupation: well, as long as he wants to recycle the past, let's all not forget that our system is SUPPOSED to render checks to abusive powers such as his critique notes. Sadly, Hayden continues to ignore that the Democrats have marched lock step on all the above aforementioned points: to whit, Roberts and Alito along with hundreds of over extreme court nominees HAVE NOT BEEN FILLIBUSTERED BY THE DEMS. The Democrats marched lock step into war and then proceeded to fund it since going in. The Dems and Obama recently caved on FISA again. The Dems along with Republicans continue to resist a visionary environmental agenda and this is even more disturbing when you look at Obama's environmental agenda which is married to Nuclear and Bio Fuels both inimical to the Earth.
Chris Hedges got it right when he said Hayden lost his "nerve" along with all the watered down pretenders he now speaks on behalf of.
I would love to see an uprising of peace supporters inside the Democratic Convention. Any chance?
Once again I would like to recommend the Democracy Now July 4 show. The speech by Malcolm X illustrates the situation of a "leader".
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/7/4/independence_day_special_a_dramatic_reading
BTW - I am not pushing or supporting any candidate in particular at the moment (I was for Edwards) but why do people talk about Nader so much more than Cynthia McKinney? Just curious.
jc, McKinney is worthy of support as is Nader. Whoever gets on the ballot in my state will get my vote. I like both of them: they still have their souls intact.
As a rejoinder to Hayden's tripe read Hedges.
"...but why do people talk about Nader so much more than Cynthia McKinney? Just curious." I have nothing against Cindy McKinney, but she has much less clout than even Ralph Nader. Nader will be on at least 40 state ballots in November. Will McKinney? Nader, at least, demands some respect based upon a life time of activism, success, and name recognition. And with 10 - 15% in the polls he might even make his way into the so-called debates. I ask again, what has Obama, McCain, or McKinney ever done to make your life better? What has Nader done? No comparison. Out of those four who has the best grasp of foreign issues, global warming issues, corporate malfeasance, opposition to torture, anti-4th amendment spying, etc. We are attached to Obama at the hip because we have been strategically inculcated all our lifetime into internalizing that there can be only two political entities: Republicans and Democratcs, effectively one Corporate Party that cannot be challenged. But you know what? It can be challenged? And YOU know that it MUST be challenged. What's holding you back? Stop talking about freedom. Become free!
What is all this talk about third parties and the importance of a good running mate. Nonsense! A strong third party will divide the party and Mc Cain will win by default. The running mate will have no effect on Barack's peace platform. He is being pressured, like Tom said, from forces within the beltway to stay the course.
We voters are the only chance to convince him that he must have the guts to keep his orginal promise. But, we must not be divided as he warns.
It's far worse than most here imagine.
We have a choice now of a stupid warmonger, or a lying warmonger, or candidates who hve NO chance.
Anne Faith, don't even pay any attention to that request to apologize, anyone can be fooled, 18 million plus were.
We get fascism either way, with McCain or Obama - I don't care who people vote for as long as it's a "third" (sic) party candidate.
For many many years it became obviously clear that there is no REAL difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. All the
differences are theatrical and posturing to dupe the mostly naive voters.
Both parties have almost identical foreign and demostic policies which
are dictated by big Money/business.
So, it does not make any differnce who will win next November. Business
will be as usual in Washington DC.
The only hope is a third populist party. But that for the long hall and
it will take years. But that is the only hope for REAL CHANGE.
how many of these politicians do we have to punish before they get it that the one thing we won't tolerate from them is lying?
Cynthia McKinney??? Why do people keep bringing her up for president? Isn't she the wild and crazy woman who was stopped by Capitol police for not having her badge on and threw a hissy fit.
Talk about temperament! I've seen her on late night replays of Congressional hearings, and I think she's a snippy thing and not too well prepared.
Thanks, KEM PATRICK. I think Retire Green was looking for an apology from Daniel David, and that's why I said I wouldn't hold my breath. Right, DD? As for Obama, maybe he should have called his book, "The Stupidity of Hope," (instead of "Audacity"), as in it's really stupid to hope that Obama is really a progressive. Or: "you people must be really stupid if you think I'm going to end the occupation of Iraq, enforce the Constitution, fight the corporate interests, or stand up for what's right." Oh well, I'm off to a party to put all this depressing stuff away for a little while. Ciao!
Let's also see how his million and a half donor base reacts?
I suspect many who have given money to the Obama campaign hoped for more than he now promises. And that he may now feel the pinch if too many progressive, hopeful backers stop giving.
If Obama doesn't become more convincing, and more persuasive that he will end the war, then hold back. Don't give.
That's one way of getting their attention.
This is a familiar pattern. After all, the American government has not been really acting in the interests of the American people for more than a generation.
Why? Because America is controlled by an oligarchy of wealthy, corporate and military-industrial interests, as well as by an interested foreign power named Israel, and it those interests that the American government serves, pure and simple.
So, anyone who is going to be elected is going to have to cater to those interests. Anyone who does not, such as Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and to a lesser extent, John Edwards will be marginalized and ridiculed by the media and the political and cultural leadership.
Obama is just playing the game to reassure his future bosses that he will not upset the status quo. He has to do this to get elected. Why does this surprise people anymore? When are the American people going to wake up to the reality that their electoral and representative processes are a fraud?
What most voters know comes to them through corporate media filters. The nation has been given the candidates the media owners have selected for us. The enormous cost of running makes even "honest" candidates make pacts with the media devils so that they can try to do a little. Obama may not be the corporate neocon controlled media's first choice, but he is for them a safe alternative.
The nation would be better served by putting names of Nader, Kucinich, Paul, McKinney, Dodd, Biden, Al Sharpton, Obama, and McCain in to a hat and pulling one to the the president. Congress is equally serving of corporate interests not general public of the nation. All congress could be replaced by selection at random from Jury duty lists and we would be better served by ordinary pretty honest citizens.
Given the situation we have, I would encourage anyone torn between McCain and Nader to feel free to vote for Nader, or write in their own name. Hopefully even if Obama bombs Iran, he will appoint more liberal Supreme Court justices than McCain would. A vote for anybody other than Obama is a vote for the corporate right wing.
"What is all this talk about third parties and the importance of a good running mate. Nonsense! A strong third party will divide the party and Mc Cain will win by default." You see, we non Corporate Party (neither Republican or Democrat varieties) give a hoot. The Democratic Party long ago jettisoned the working class, so who cares if their party splits. If Saint Obama cannot wipe out a John McCain in the presidential election, then that tells you a lot, doesn't it? Just like when intellectual Al Gore couldn't wipe out the dim G.W.
Hayden left out the matter of the war in Iran, which will dominate the agenda of the nation and the campaigns in the coming months. That is coming to a head very rapidly and Obama's positions are not promising.
Perhaps he has been told credibly that he must support the Empire's agenda in the Middle East or he will not be allowed to take office. Perhaps what was put at stake was not just his life but our democratic institutions. Perhaps those are the terms of the Devil's bargain that he has made. If so, will the greater Middle East War destroy his domestic agenda and the movement that has formed behind him?
On the other hand, do we have a movement that could rally millions and tens of millions to thwart an attack on the Constitution? Where is the evidence of that for Obama to see?
I hope Obama wins for many reasons, but I'm not sure I want to spend my credibility or my energy by going out and asking people to vote for him. There are plenty of people on the Obama bandwagon and this race is his to lose. Rather, we need to be building movements that Obama or whoever could turn to for support when they want to go against the system by - for example - withdrawing from Iraq or opposing an attack on Iran.
I like that one "It's Third Party Time", OR maybe it would be better with NO party. It is time for Independence from all Parties. That has been my position for 20+ years. If Nader is not on the ballot, just write him in. I have been doing it for years.
Obama left me in the dust when he rejected the views of Rev. Wright. Wright was right about almost everything he said. It would have been a great learning moment for the nation if Obama had explained the things that Wright said. Instead he chickened out and became just one more politician with a White House ambition.
Nader is our only hope. Demand that his name be on the ballot and that he be allowed to debate.
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Obama is set to cost the Democratic Party the November elections accross the country.
The DNC is about to hand victory over to the Republican Party for the next four to eight years.
Senator Obama is a Media Creation.....an empty suit.....No accomplishments and no experience.
Hello President McCain and four more of the same !!!!!!!!!
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"Even if Jesus Himself ran for President and won, do you think he'd be able to transform the country? I doubt it - with the horrific duopoly in place - nothing can ever change in a major way."
http://tinyurl.com/6zgw8z
Well, from what I've seen, Jesus isn't running, so maybe we should relax and vote for our best chance, knowing that it falls way short. Maybe J.C. himself would admonish us to stop waiting for a hero and do the heavy lifting ourselves.
Right on, Tom. You continue to give a clear-headed analysis of the narrow range of options available to us under the current conditions.
As a longtime CD reader, I am disappointed that the best progressive site for news and analysis has been unable to devvelop a strong core of critical thinkers. "Critical thinking" does not mean "utopian fantasizing." Not does "critical" elevate the short-tempered, emotional, reactive rsponse over the careful analysis of the current situation.
College towns, like Madison, Berkeley, Santa Cruz and Eugene (to name a few) have always provided an atmosphere where crerative progressive thinking could take place, but also be put into action at the local level, if activists remained steadfast in educating and mobilizing the residents. That took real organizing.
The cyber-world has created new opportunities for organizing, but also new opportunities for creating small, autonomous "virtual communities", not unlike some of the 19th century utopian societies where like-minded people withdraw from meaningful interaction from a broader swath of people in order to reinforce their particular worldview. Cyber organizing runs this risk.
As we try to develop strategies to "change the world," it is often difficult to figure where to begin. Archimedes, reflecting on the physics inherent in the use of a lever and fulcrum, famously said, "Give me a place to stand, and I will move the world." For political activists, we need to be clear what will serve as the lever, what serves as the fulcrum, where to apply the tip of the lever to get a good grip and how to organize the strength necessary to aplly to the lever.
Saul Alinsky was brilliant in teaching the nuts and bolts of community organizing and many of us benefitted from studying and trying to apply his techniques. We need a new Saul Alinsky-type strategist to provide a bit of sensible theory and practice to the new crop of impatient revolutionaries.
Tom Hayden, then and now, was always one of the most thoughtful strategists for studying the p[ossibilities in front of us and suggesting an approach which was both practical and visionary.
Thank you, Tom.
Faced with the real world practical choice of McCain versus Obama--one of them will be the next president of the United States--I have no trouble recognizing Obama as the better choice. I wish to spread no illusions about how "progressive" he is, cause he ain't.
Support for any politician, should be critical support. Some degree of support and some degree of criticism. There needs to be a constant re-negotiation of the support, but when you go into negotiations, you have to have a realistic assessment of what you can deliver to the politician and what options the politician has to ignore your demands. At times, you are stuck without much bargaining power because your objective assessment of the situation convinces you that ther is no perfect option available to you.
The Nader (or McKinney) option may have appeal to people who have a greater need to feel uncompromised than the need to avoid a McCain presidency. A hypothetical argument can be made that third parties have the possibility of forcing the candidate to adopt their positions in order to retain their base. This is a form of political "chicken," consciously pursued by Ralph Nader in 2000 and resulting in the election of George Bush. (Those of you who want to deny that Nader cost Gore the election are simultaneously denying the fundamental rational of Nader's campaign. Please look at it a bit more consistently and retain your in=tellectual integrity.)
Nader, and his supporters, are consistently inconsistent on this. They alternate between saying there is no essential difference between the two major candidates so it doesn't matter which one wins. Or they argue that Gore /Obama should be forced by their movement to adopt Nader-like policies. Since they claim there is no meaningful difference, why do I not see them arguing that Bush/McCain should adopt Nader-like positions? I guess they find it less likely that the Republicans are capablee/interested in the Nader base, Hmmm. Why is that?
Tom has it right. We have to remain critical of Obama, including in public. We have to avoid spreading any illusions about the man. And we have to organize to pressure him (and Congress) even if (especially if?) the Democrats sweep in the fall.
Naderite fantasies may make you feel good--heck, smoking a bowl and falling asleep under a shady tree will make you feel good, but it won't lead you to effective politics geared towards ending the war, preventing the next one or increasing justice here at home.
Of course, YMMV.
No, we're the ones at risk as the American electoral machine again throws up a dreadful candidate and seeks to enthrone an neoliberal opportunist who loves guns, capital punishment and "faith" initiatives.