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What John McCain Didn't Learn in Vietnam
Nobody has denigrated the service of John McCain or his suffering in captivity as a prisoner of North Vietnam, as much as his supporters wish to pretend that someone did. Nobody has denied that his valor in captivity offers insight into his character. But so far almost nobody has asked the most important question about McCain's military experience, which is how his past might influence his future as president.
The most pertinent issue is not what McCain did or didn't do during the war in Vietnam, but what he learned from that searing, incredibly bloody and wholly unnecessary failure of U.S. policy. Clearly he learned that torture is morally wrong, illegal and counterproductive, and he has spoken with great moral authority on that issue. But listening to him now and over the past decade or so, he also seems not to have learned why that war itself was a tragic mistake -- and why we needed to leave Vietnam long before we did.
Indeed, what is most striking about McCain's attitude toward Vietnam is his insistence that we could have won -- that we should have won -- with more bombs and more casualties. In 1998, he spoke on the 30th anniversary of the Tet Offensive. "Like a lot of Vietnam veterans, I believed and still believe that the war was winnable," he said. "I do not believe that it was winnable at an acceptable cost in the short or probably even the long term using the strategy of attrition which we employed there to such tragic results. I do believe that had we taken the war to the North and made full, consistent use of air power in the North, we ultimately would have prevailed." Five years later, he said much the same thing to the Council on Foreign Relations. "We lost in Vietnam because we lost the will to fight, because we did not understand the nature of the war we were fighting, and because we limited the tools at our disposal."
Very few military historians agree with McCain's bitter analysis, which suggests that a ground invasion and an even more destructive bombing campaign, with an unimaginable cost in human life, would have achieved an American victory. But perhaps because he is obsessed by the humiliation of defeat -- which fell directly on his father, Adm. John S. McCain Jr., who served as the commander in chief of Pacific forces during the Vietnam conflict -- the former prisoner of war seemingly can formulate neither a rational assessment of that war's enormous costs nor of its flawed premises and purposes.
To reach such an assessment requires, at the very least, a review of the relevant statistics, although such data can scarcely convey the war's horror. Numbers are useful, however, because they provide perspective on the assertions of politicians like McCain, whose rhetoric of "victory" is otherwise meaningless.
More than 58,000 Americans were killed in action between 1965 and 1973. More than a million and a half Vietnamese died during that same period, including hundreds of thousands killed by American bombs like those dropped by McCain during the mission that led to his capture, imprisonment and torture. Prosecution of the war diminished American prestige, as did our eventual defeat -- and the price paid by our armed forces and the returning veterans is still painful to recall. The economic cost of the war, calculated in current dollars, may have been as high as $1.7 trillion.
In McCain's mind, those lives and that treasure were expended in a "noble cause." Presumably he believes that we were seeking to preserve the freedom of the South Vietnamese from North Vietnamese communist oppression. But the politics of Vietnam and the geopolitics of the war were at once more complicated and simpler. Complicated because South Vietnam was a corrupt dictatorship that had forfeited the loyalty of most of its citizens, who regarded the United States not as a liberator but as the latest invader in a long procession that dated back centuries and included the French and the Chinese as well.
What vital American interests required so many deaths and so much suffering? There were none, but presumably, again, McCain thinks that we were forced to push back against communist expansion in Asia. That too was an awful misconception, based on cultural ignorance, since the Vietnamese accepted Russian and Chinese assistance only to expel the American occupation. Within the decade that followed the American defeat in Indochina, our diplomats were opening a new relationship with China while the Soviet Union, along with communism as an ideological threat, was on the verge of disintegration.
If the Vietnam War was premised on strategic misconceptions and cultural stupidity, it was also based on plain old lies, as the true history of the Tonkin Gulf incident has long since revealed. There was no reason for the United States to enter a colonial war that the French had abandoned. Ultimately there was no basis for American hostility toward Vietnam, as McCain wisely acknowledged when he led the effort to normalize our diplomatic and trade relations with the government that defeated us. Now that we live in peace and reconciliation with that same regime, what justifies the war that led to more than a million deaths?
Whenever McCain tries to explain what lessons he drew from the Vietnam tragedy, he cites a simple doctrine. We should not send troops into foreign conflict unless there is a vital American interest at stake, and once we go to war, we must deploy sufficient force to win. It is difficult to see how McCain has applied that logic to Iraq, which we invaded on a fraudulent excuse and where the definition of "winning" remains murky five years later.
But it is easy to understand why a man who thinks that we should have escalated the Vietnam War after 10 futile years would talk about occupying Iraq for a century. And it is hard to imagine why voters would elect a president who still believes that 60,000 American dead and more than 300,000 wounded in Vietnam were not quite enough.
Joe Conason writes for the New York Observer. He is the author of Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth (St. Martin's Press, 2003).
Copyright ©2008 Salon Media Group, Inc.



20 Comments so far
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Joe Conason bizarrely states that it is not "pertinent... "what McCain did do didn't do in Vietnam..." On the contrary, dropping napalm and incinerating many Vietnamese people from 10,000 feet should be extremely pertinent regarding the moral character of John McCain. It is amazing that Conason could devote an entire essay regarding McCain's attitude toward Vietnam without once mentioning that there were those in the military during the Vietnam conflict who had the moral courage and wisdom that McCain did not possess to say that they would not participate in the rape and destruction of that Southeast Asian country and who would not agree, unlike McCain, to drop bombs on the Vietnamese people. Joe Conason may wish to acquaint himself with books such as David Cortright's Soldiers in Revolt:GI Resistance During the Vietnam War and the documentary Sir! No Sir!, which chronicled the story of the GI movement and those soldiers who, unlike McCain, had the integrity to say NO to the suppression of the Vietnamese people.
My dad was career Army, and when my college boyfriends sought C.O. status or headed to Canada my dad was enraged, saying that their actions denigraded his career choice. I learned over the years that most gung ho military were pretty insecure people.
Grandpa McCain will go to his grave still fighting Vietnam, still dealing with his daddy complex. Perhaps GWB's daddy complex is worse because of he is sociopathic, but McCain in the WH is unthinkable on the horror scale.
I don't get the war hero thing. "Valor in captivity?" What is that? He did what all captives do. He signed confessions and did what he had to do to stay alive. I don't understand putting a hero tag on the people who died in the 911 attack. Not to diminish the loss of them, they did not choose their part in the play. They simply got killed. McCain simply got captured. People who suffer in war are unfortunate, not necessarily valorous. Like other people in high risk professions (coal miners, cops, racecar drivers) their high motives are not automatically established by failing to beat the odds. We honor acts of heroism, and just getting killed or captured or tortured is an accident, not an act.
voxclamantis, 2:24 pm: There's NO way I would ever vote for McCain, but ... don't you consider it "valor in captivity" to turn down an opportunity to be released because there was an honor code, i.e. the prisoner held the longest must be the next guy set free ...?
There are some RUMORS that McC didn't adhere fully to this code, but I've never seen any proof of that, have you?
voxclamantis---thanks for bringing up some semantics that have been irritating me since the Iran hostage crisis. Then, I was appalled that they referred to these hostages as heroes; I considered them victims. Of course, the word "hero" was bandied about strictly for PR and propaganda.
So, let's stop belittling and insulting the true heroes who literally placed their lives on the line for a just cause---whether on the Normandy beaches or in the waters of Katrina---by frivolously using and debasing the word "hero" on people who do not deserve that title. McCain was a victim. Period. And he's still a victim. And he will always remind you that he is a victim. And
his future unwise and irrational decisions will be informed by his bitter victimhood.
Now let's define courage. Bombing civilians from a plane at 10,000 feet is hardly an act of courage.
Just remember the infamous and lunatic statement given by an American officer in Vietnam when asked about the destruction of a Vietnamese town: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." Once the killing starts, the rationales become ever more bizarre and irrational even in a war we couldn't avoid like World War II. The rationales given for the bombing of Dresden and the firebombing of Japanese cities as well as the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have all been shown to have been false.
McCain's Vietnam experience and lessons, via Douglas Valentine in "Counterpunch":
"As he told reporters on his campaign bus (The Straight Talk Express) in 2000, "I will hate them (the Vietnamese) as long as I live."
""I am a war criminal," he (McCain) confessed on "60 Minutes" in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and children."
"McCain was in pain, but suffering no mortal wounds. He was, however, in enough pain to break down and start collaborating with the Vietnamese after three days in a hospital receiving treatment from qualified doctors – something no other POW ever enjoyed... The question is: "What kind of collaborator was John McCain, the admitted war criminal who will hate his alleged torturers for the rest of his life?" Put another way, how psychologically twisted is McCain?"
"This is the lesson of McCain's experience as a POW: a true politician, a hollow man, his only allegiance is to power. The Vietnamese, like McCain's campaign contributors today, protected and promoted him and in return, he danced to their tune."
Over the years I've known so many guys with scars, disabilities, missing arms and legs. None of them voluntered or felt that what they were forced to do had a reason. To the man there was only regret and rage.
I remember the sunny afternoon in the VA hospital sitting with a couple friends next to our friend's bed. He had a cast up to his chest and he told us, "Don't go. No matter what don't go." And I didn't. I found a doctor to write a report. And I've never regreted that.
Those twisted and maimed men are heroes not because of the war they suffered but because they have the guts to admit after all that loss that it was a mistake and a tragedy for them and all americans. The people who try to twist the truth to pretend it was otherwise are fools. God save america from such fools.
I,too,have long been mystified by the common belief that John McCain's imprisonment was somehow, merely on its own face, 'heroic.' His experience was unquestionably horrific, but I agree with those commenters above who label those having had such ordeals as victims, rather than (necessarily) heroes. Frankly, I'm not in a position to judge McCain's conduct as a POW-- I wasn't there. But to knee-jerkedly equate a tough and arduous experience with heroic conduct is, to my mind, not justified. I was a ground combat commander in VN, and saw plenty of actions which, by any measure, would be considered heroic. Without exception, all of these involved a conscious and deliberate choice to act in circumstances where the likely consequences would lead to death or grievous injury. I'm with 'pavroviandog' on this one.
The 500 lb gorilla of a question in the room whenever the reality of John McCain's ordeal during the Vietnam war is: Does he suffer from PTSD? The outrage over Wesley Clark's statement that being shot down and held prisoner (and tortured) during the Vietnam war did not in and of itself qualify someone to be president baffles me. I think there are many Vietnam vets whose experiences would closely mirror McCain's, who are not qualified to be president. It's not serving in war as an enlisted man or officer that qualifies you to be president. Perhaps, as in Dwight Eisenhower's case, being a general in command of the entire army might be credentials to head an entire country. McCain's experience might enrich and inform his decision-making, but it could just as easily be a source of emotional instability. His temper is infamous -- is it real? Or is it PTSD?
Actually, many do denigrate McCain's "service", since he willingly participated in a major crime against humanity. The definition by which he was a "victim" for being a POW must also include the Manson family and many others in prison throughout the USA.
John McCain didn't show any backbone when he got boned by Bush's spoogebuddy, Karl Rove. That alone disqualifies him for the Presidency according to his rule book. Every speech he makes, every talking point he fumbles, increasingly points up his time for this campaign, if it ever was his time, has long since passed. Maybe he's counting on the sympathy vote to give him an edge. How pathetic.
Nelson Mandela, South African President, spent 27 years in jail. Perhaps McInsane should have had more seasoning in captivity to be eligible for President.
As the sardonic jibe in South Africa said, "In our country we imprison our presidents before we elect them" Good policy for USA also.
So many good and useful posts. I will definetly archive these. I was very happy to read all these posts but especially voxclamantis and drjasbo. Thank you. And this is why I come to this site ... I wish more did.
Joe Conason writes: "Clearly he learned that torture is morally wrong, illegal and counterproductive, and he has spoken with great moral authority on that issue."
Clearly he hasn't backed up those words as he recently caved in to another thug who abused him and voted to allow others to be tortured. Rather than a tough maverick hero, he seems to be a weakling who kneels to those who are bigger, richer or more important than him, and bullies those who can't fight back, like his long-suffering wife Cindy.
voxclamantis [July 4th, 2008 2:24 pm], exactly. What is so valorous about being a prisoner who gave his captors what they wanted? Here's what the late Col. David H. Hackworth, a 25-year US Army Korean War and Vietnam War veteran with an unprecedented 78 combat awards including 10 Silver Stars, 2 Distinguished Service Crosses, a Bronze Star and 8 Purple Hearts, wrote about John McCain in Jan. of 2000:
http://www.hackworth.com/25jan00.html
"...in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors 'O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.' [Note: In his 1999 book "Faith of My Fathers," McCain himself wrote on page 193: "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate any medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." This is much more than name, rank and serial number.]
"A Vietnam vet detractor says, 'He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!'
"The rest of his valor awards -- issued automatically every year while he was a POW -- read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: 'By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces.'
"Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a 'black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.' This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the anti-war movement."
[...]
"McCain refused an early release. An act of valor? Three former POWs told me he was ordered to turn it down by his U.S. POW commander and he 'just followed orders.'"
"McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose [political] handlers are overplaying the war hero card."
I think John McCain would probably have washed out of the Navy as a flyer -- crashing four jets before he saw any combat -- had his father and grandfather not been well-connected admirals. I also think he never would have received so many medals as a POW had he been just an enlisted man:
"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."
-- From "The Mythical John McCain," Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain website.
God help us if this angry, deluded PTSD case ever becomes president.
The key question about John McCain's service in Vietnam, is what damage was done to the psychie of this man? What level of post traumatic stress disorder does he have and how does it effect his reasoning, reaction to adverse stimulus and his ability to sleep at night; how does being shot down, starved and tortured for 5 years affect his ability to function at the level required of a commander in chief? May we please see your medical records, to make an informed decision, Mr. McCain?
Horhay [July 6th, 2008 2:00 pm], only selected members of the Big Media whom almost universally adore McCain were permitted to see the 1,173-page medical history, in private, no copying allowed, no one with any medical training present, and for only three hours, meaning the viewer could spend no more than a few seconds on each page.
Here's what Curtis Brainard at the Columbia Journalism Review wrote on June 12th of this year:
"Three weeks ago, John McCain, who would be the oldest president in history if elected, released 1,173 pages of his medical records to the press. He did so only after a series of delays, however, and then granted a pool of about a dozen news outlets access to them for three hours, with no photocopying allowed. One reporter whose employer was not invited to view the documents was The New York Times's Lawrence K. Altman. His exclusion was a bit ironic, given that he is an M.D. and was part of the group that viewed the last batch of McCain's medical records, which the senator released in 1999 during his first bid for the Oval Office. Those earlier records covered McCain's well-being prior to 2000, including his experience as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War and his treatment for melanoma, among other things. Lost month's disclosure covered his life since and showed that the cancer has not recurred and that, despite a few effects of age, he is mostly healthy."
Read the rest here: http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/covering_candidates_medical_re.php?page=all
This brings up several questions: If he's so healthy, why not just make the records publicly available to anyone who might wish to read them, especially those with some medical expertise? What does 'mostly healthy' mean -- could he be physically healthy, but mentally suffering from PTSD? Why did McCain wait so long to release these records?
Of course, doctors can be bribed to say what they are told to say, just as some scientists have been on climate change and other issues. I'll tell you one thing: Either McCain is turning into a chipmunk or he has something benign or malignant growing on his cheek near his ear on one side of his face. Why hasn't the BM asked him about that?
Personally I don't give a rat's ass about his health or his
less than heroic deeds in Vietnam. He's too old to be
President. He forgets what he said on Friday by the
following week. Look at him, does he look Presidential? He
looks like an old fart to me, and I'm an old fart myself.
It cracks me up to hear him try to paint Obama as a flip-
flopper. This from a "maverick" who has changed opinions
more often than his drawers. I'm sick of the "war hero"
title and the "maverick" attached to his name. I've known
a few people who were prisoners of war and none of them
used that for personal gain like he tries to do. My father-
in-law spent several months in a Japanese prison and came
home weighing about 100 lbs. He didn't receive a medal
every month while he was there. He did his fighting on
the ground, not at 10,000 feet, against people shooting
back, not unarmed women and children.
His plans sound like Bush-shit to me and I'm almost
ashamed to admit that I would have probably voted for him
in 2000 had he been the candidate.
Personally I don't give a rat's ass about his health or his
less than heroic deeds in Vietnam. He's too old to be
President. He forgets what he said on Friday by the
following week. Look at him, does he look Presidential? He
looks like an old fart to me, and I'm an old fart myself.
It cracks me up to hear him try to paint Obama as a flip-
flopper. This from a "maverick" who has changed opinions
more often than his drawers. I'm sick of the "war hero"
title and the "maverick" attached to his name. I've known
a few people who were prisoners of war and none of them
used that for personal gain like he tries to do. My father-
in-law spent several months in a Japanese prison and came
home weighing about 100 lbs. He didn't receive a medal
every month while he was there. He did his fighting on
the ground, not at 10,000 feet, against people shooting
back, not unarmed women and children.
His plans sound like Bush-shit to me and I'm almost
ashamed to admit that I would have probably voted for him
in 2000 had he been the candidate.