Hey Obama would like some syrup with that waffle?

Watch the dems lose another election by swinging right.

So why doesn't he visit Iraq? There's nothing to it. Just book a flight, make a few appointments in the Green Zone, maybe wrap yourself in body armor and get the soldiers to take you for a quick walk in some pacified Baghdad neighborhood, and after you get back you can tell everybody that you've been there and you know what you're talking about.

Obama, sadly enough, proves to be just another flip-flopping democrat. Once the champion of change, he has rather quickly become an ordinary, run-of-the-mill politician clutching willy-nilly at whatever votes he might muster. This suggests that his critics have been correct. The man has no policies, no plan, no vision, and now, maybe no integrity either. The best thing we can do is stay the course with what we have now.

Ya Know Obama, there is a limit to how much bull one can toss before the sheep recognize bullshit and subtlety for what it is. Some caught on pretty quick and some keep hoping that you are for real. This is not the only issue you have backed down on, there are several.

"Subtlety may decieve many, intregity never will.___ ~Oliver Cromwell~

Looks like you're buying into the right-wing propaganda here. Read what Obama said: He is determined to get our troops out of Iraq as soon as he can. During the primaries, he suggested he could do it in 16 months. Now he is saying he wants to talk to the commanders in Iraq to be sure 16 months will be safe for the troops.

It's the difference between strategy and tactics (something that, as Gen. Clark pointed out, McCain is not very good at): The strategy is to get the troops home. The tactics is the details of how to do it.

A good leader sets the strategy and lets the professionals supply the tactics. Obama has not changed, flip-flopped or waffled on his strategy.

Bush also blurs the line. He sets strategy AND tactics, then when things go wrong, blames the generals for the strategy. But the generals' job is tactics.

Remember, when Obama agreed to appear on FOX News a few months ago, he stated during the interview that he would vote to confirm Petraeus as head of Central Command even though the two disagree on Iraq policy. He also said, IIRC, that he would rely on (or maybe "trust") Petraeus' judgement and advice when he (Obama) became Commander-in-Chief.

Obama is a believer in Warmongery Done Right. Since I never seem to get around to reading The Book(s), which serve as an Obama Owner's Manual, I can only guess that he is emulating his hero Lincoln, who saw war as unfortunate but inevitable-- and something to be effectively managed and controlled.

I'm no Lincoln scholar, but I see no reason to think that Lincoln would in any way condone or support the Imperial Amerikan tradition that arose a few decade's after Lincoln's demise: finding pretexts to employ Amerikan military force in imperialist adventures around the world, ravaging, plundering, and annihilating local governments in the process.

It is a tragic circumstance, a national Achilles' Heel, that there is a settled notion that the US President must, first and foremost, establish that he (so far) is primarily a fearsome Warlord. Thus, deranged Republic wingnuts and craven Democrats alike must compete to out-do each other over the question of who is readier to pop a War Boner, and who will swing that War Dick the furthest and fastest to Keep Amerika Secure.

Clinton followed this shibboleth to the letter, bearing the extra burden of fending off the asinine folk/corporate media wisdom suggesting that women are naturally "soft" and "nurturing", and unfit as Warlords. So she had to use terms like "obliterating" Iran to prove that her War Boner was as big, erect, and throbbing as any man's.

Obama has made it clear that he's not impressed by decadent Sixties culture, with its insipid cry of "All we are saying is give peace a chance".

Happy Fourth!

THE END IS CLEAR!

So, today is my birthday, too. Big deal. In fact, it's depressing: to see, finally, what I knew was coming: the drift to the right, the move that must be made if money is to continue to infill BO's plenty big coffers.

Sad, really, that the barely born progressive movement wasn't able to sway BO to do the right thing (pursue justice), rather than the pragmatic thing (cozen the People).

Is BO pretending to be a corp toady...or pretending to be a progressive? Can't have it both ways.

Obama is careful to talk about withdrawing COMBAT troops from Iraq . . . maybe. He fails -- deliberately, I'm sure -- to discuss the tens of thousands of NON-COMBAT troops we have in Iraq, and whether they'll all be staying for McCain's hundred years.

At the same time, Obama talks about "redeploying" the combat troops -- not sending them home. Where, one must ask, will they be deployed to? Afghanistan, maybe?

Barack Obama your pastor was right and called you out on it. P-o-l-i-t-c-i-a-n-s do what politicians do! You took all his heart and soul. Sucked out his life's blood and work. Then you threw him overboard. Reverand Wright was right- It should be Barack- Wrong-Way-Obama. You have half-stepped on every subject and still America only knows you by those you have associated with. The Sheep are not blind. There is still time. Sad song like Otis said.

Barack Obama your pastor was right and called you out on it. P-o-l-i-t-c-i-a-n-s do what politicians do! You took all his heart and soul. Sucked out his life's blood and work. Then you threw him overboard. Reverand Wright was right- It should be Barack- Wrong-Way-Obama. You have half-stepped on every subject and still America only knows you by those you have associated with. The Sheep are not blind. There is still time. Sad song like Otis said.

Non-combat troops, when they were reinforced in South Vietnam by John F. Kennedy led directly to the larger Vietnam war. When you leave non-combat troops and US civilians in Iraq among armed people who hate them you ask for a hundred Fallujahs. Obama has long known that fact and was never honest about his objectives in the Middle East.
Obama said during his second stint (actually press conference): "let me be clear." I seem to remember that Tricky Dicky used to say: "let me be abundantly clear." Peas from the same pod.
More than one year ago I warned that Obama is an imperialist pur sang. I was vilified for my view. I have no reasons to change my mind on that score. I deeply pity the millions of followers of this modern-day Pied Piper who will lead them into the mire of the Euphrates/Tigris rivers.

"will remove one to two combat brigades each month
-lying sack of crap

dictated by the safety and security of our troops
-as if pulling them out of that hell hole could endanger them

I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground,
-as if commanders on the ground set the mission, not the Commander in Chief

Obama has changed course and proven his past positions to be just empty words,
-that is exactly correct

was his commitment to begin withdrawing American troops from Iraq immediately. Today, Barack Obama reversed that position proving once again that his words do not matter.
-notict the use of the past tense, as in "was his commitment"

no indication of a change in policy. I intend to end this war.
-stinkin liar, say anyting, do anything, talk out both sides of his mouth, just to get elected

It allows Mr McCain to argue that he, not Mr Obama
-by whoring himself out to get elected he probably will lose, Americans prefer the real thing to snake oil, idiot

just another cynical politician prepared to change his position to win votes.
-yup, just what I've been saying for months

Don't vote for these sold out bastards, don't vote for DemocRATS, don't waste your vote, support Green Party candidate, Cynthia McKinney! Go Greens!

lcotler July 4th, 2008 4:41 pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another Israeli controlled americao

ROFLOL!!!!!!!

Can't exactly say I'm shocked by this.

The Obamabots who try to tell us all how Obama will end the war seem to be getting rather scarce. Hopefully they are all waking up to the basic fact that a vote for Obama is a vote for four more years of war. Which means PLEASE STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT!

And come to Denver next month to tell the Dems to their face (or, well maybe their fence) what you think of them. Get a few million voices here, and they'd be able to hear us behind the fence and in their hall and over their soundsystem. Get enough, and we can be heard.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights,
governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends,
it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,
as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Prudence, indeed,
will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer,
while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations,
pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism,
it is their right,
it is their duty,
to throw off such government,
and to provide new guards for their future security."

We do have a choice in candidates . We look for words said by this candidate to pick apart . Our other candidate cheats on all his wifes . He and present wife were involved in theft against the AMERICAN PEOPLE by using his office to join in the theft and cover up of money from an American bank . (Ala John Dillinger) During his tenture 100's of thousands of American jobs have been out sourced . Over 50 million Americans are without health care . Our cost of living has risen dramatically . Thousands of our young people have died while in the process of killing probably 1/2 million people while protecting corporations that are stealing another country's resources . His campaign will not tell us what he plans to do to fix these problems he helped create . He only offers critism of his opponent . The other candidate doesn't have enough experience in being unfaithfull to his wife or larceny or taking bribes to out source jobs or in preventing the American people from having the same health care he has . JM is our man . A patriot . He has the experience .

forextrader, good call

This guy is flip flopping on so many issues we are going to run out of syrup.

I lost patience with the guy within two minutes of his Booker T speech at the DNC in 04

Obama is moving to the right at the speed of a sound bite. He promised us change, and he is delivering by changing from progressive to neocon lite. We expected transformational leadership, and got transformation to transactional tactics.

As he becomes closer and closer to McCain in policy, he alienates the youth and progressive voters who made him the candidate in what will be a vain pursuit of conservative voters. He also gives people more reasons to vote for McCain and fewer to vote for him. If there is no clear reason to vote for the newcomer, most people will go for the familiar candidate.

Progressives should withhold their financial support and let the Obama campaign know why. We should also support progressive congressional candidates who will, if it comes to it, hold Obama's feet to the fire.

Obama's triangulation is defective ethically, strategically and politically. If it doesn't make McCain president, it will give the neocons the next best thing.

Can anyone remember how Bush promised he would be out of Iraq in 3 weeks after the invasion? Well, it has been a very long 3 weeks.

Now McCain says we might stay for 100 years. At least he says what he means.

Obama says all of our combat brigades out in 16 months, subject to a few ifs and buts. What does it mean to say "our combat brigades"? Who is going to stay after 16 months?

What happens when the so called "Iraqi government" appears about to topple after only a few combat brigades are withdrawn. Or alternatively what happens if the "Iraqi Government" seeks the support of the local powers and refuses to give us their oil? Would that mean a change of plan? It seems to me that a few ifs and but are almost certain to occur.

You Obama supporters will be sorely disappointed if he wins. he is as much a tool of the military-industrial complex as is McCain.

Here is some news about Obama's imperialist policies from the mouth of Mr.Richard Danzig, a former navy secretary who advises Senator Obama on national security.

"It's hard to see how we could spend less on the military in the near term."
Mr Danzig said [DOD] cuts would be hard to make due to the costs of Senator Obama's plan to withdraw troops from Iraq and of repairing and replacing equipment from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He said current Pentagon budget projections also appeared to underestimate the cost of new weapons programs.
Mr Bush has submitted a budget of more than $US500 billion ($520 billion) for the Pentagon for the next fiscal year, which begins in October. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost some $US160 billion ($166 billion) a year on top of that.
US military spending made up about 45 per cent of the world total in 2007, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks defence budgets.
Despite maintaining funding levels of the world's only military superpower, Mr Danzig said Senator Obama wanted to see a bigger role for the State Department and other agencies that could further US foreign policy goals peacefully.

Mr Danzig said Senator Obama was committed to withdrawing all US combat brigades from Iraq within 16 months but indicated some room for manoeuvre based on advice from military commanders.
Senator Obama has also said he wants to send at least two more combat brigades - the equivalent of between 6,000 and 10,000 soldiers - to Afghanistan, where violence has climbed as the Taliban and al-Qaeda regrouped.
He has accused Mr Bush of neglecting the fight in Afghanistan to pursue an unnecessary war in Iraq.
The violent south of Afghanistan in particular needed a "more muscular US presence", he said.
Mr Danzig said Senator Obama supported current efforts to build a missile defence system to protect the United States and its allies from attack by rogue nations.
But he said the program would be subject to more careful scrutiny under Senator Obama.

In other words: an Afghanistan "surge!"
Danzig also ignores Obama's stated intent to expand the army with 65,000 soldiers.

What about the Blackwater private army? They need to get out of Iraq too and have their contracts terminated. As for the Blackwater employees, I don't want those guys hanging around unemployed in the US either. Put them to work on WPA type infrastructure projects and rescues during fires and floods. Some high testosterone stuff, but positive in nature.

Heck, he wants to get us into Iran, let alone getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Democrats su..!