Dalai Lama's Time Bomb
Some Tibetans have had it with the spiritual leader's nonviolence. But as Gandhi showed, patience can be the deadliest of weapons.
It takes a particular form of confidence to sit across a negotiating table, armed only with moral courage and wearing religious robes, facing representatives of one of the world's biggest armies and one of the five official nuclear powers in the world. That's just what is happening this week, as representatives of the Dalai Lama -- whom the Chinese continue to call "the splittist monk," or, as in an official commentary in the New China News Agency yesterday, "a flunky" - went to Beijing, ignoring the insults and instead praising reports that nearly 1,000 Tibetans have been released from Chinese jails.
The Dalai Lama has not had it easy. This is the year of the Olympics in Beijing, which many supporters of China would like to take place unchallenged. The run of the Olympic torch earlier this summer was marred by protests in Western capitals that pitted pro-Tibet activists, some of whom are resisting the Dalai Lama's nonviolent convictions, against fiercely nationalist Chinese students and residents. The Dalai Lama found that government officials in several Western countries historically sympathetic to the Tibetan cause were curiously unavailable this year; even in Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel has been vocal in condemning China's human rights record, this year the Dalai Lama could only meet junior officials.
At one level, the struggle for Tibet's autonomy has become symbolic: Tibetan independence appears impossible, and while awareness about the cause has risen, nobody wants to do anything about it for fear of offending China. Meanwhile, writing in the New York Times last month, Nicholas Kristoff mentions two Tibetan monks, released recently from Chinese prisons, where they have been beaten. Their patience is wearing thin. Till when can we continue to remain nonviolent, they ask Kristoff.
Those monks are not alone. Younger Tibetans are increasingly frustrated, as they can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Jamyang Norbu, an acclaimed Tibetan writer in exile, believes the Dalai Lama's approach is too conciliatory; the cause, he says, has now been fossilized in its own myths.
Keeping the idea of Tibet alive is a formidable challenge. First, there is the rise of China. Second, the perceived strategic insignificance of Tibet. And third, what Tibetan activists call China's cultural genocide in Tibet, as Han Chinese are making Tibetans a minority in their own land. Since the Chinese influx, Tibetan culture has been desecrated by the opening of karaoke bars and brothels near monasteries and the building of in-your-face retail centers opposite the Potala Palace. Many Tibetans have grown up with only a dim recollection of the Dalai Lama and a limited awareness of their faith and traditions.
During the recent uprisings, some Tibetan activists have turned violent in the face of Chinese provocation. Has nonviolence had its day?
It would be a great tragedy if the Tibetan movement were to cast aside its nonviolent activism, passive resistance, or civil disobedience because violence seems more expedient. The pursuit of nonviolence gives the Tibetan movement its moral appeal. And there is no reason to believe that a violent uprising will succeed. If Tibetans turn violent, they will have given up their moral appeal. Violence, after all, has not given Palestinians the freedom they have sought, either.
Indeed, of all the world leaders in major struggles of national identity today, the Dalai Lama comes closest to following the model associated with Gandhi, who was assassinated 60 years ago this year. The key difference between them is that Gandhi fought a colonial power, Britain, which was democratic at home. Tibet's oppressors aren't. Does this mean nonviolence has only limited appeal and that it can work only in certain contexts?
At one level, the Indian struggle does seem like an exception. Gandhi used his training as a barrister from London to argue to the British that their rule was unjust and illegal. And the British agreed and left. But it was never that simple: Gandhi's struggle lasted a full three decades, and during that period, the British often responded with force, and at other times with cunning, subterfuge, and divisive politics. They left in 1947 when they found that sustaining the empire was no longer possible economically, politically, or morally.
And the Dalai Lama's struggle is not the only such: Even after the Prague Spring faded, the playwright Vaclav Havel insisted that he'd live the truth, not lies that the Soviet-backed Czechoslovak government imposed. Like Gandhi, Havel was jailed, but he never gave up. His patience and stubbornness were rewarded: Two decades later, Havel became the Czech Republic's president. Democracies, even flawed ones, understand this moral force: That's why Israel expelled the nonviolent activist Mubarak Awad in the 1980s; now, Sari Nusseibeh is giving Gandhian tactics another chance in the Middle East.
Violence always appears more expedient in the short run. But the whole point of nonviolence is the choice of certain means over others to attain particular ends. In February 1922, Indian activists were marching through a small town called Chauri Chaura in northern India, ostensibly part of Satyagraha, the nonviolent movement Gandhi founded. They ran into a group of policemen. The activists shouted slogans; the police beat them up. Just then, a larger group of activists arrived and chased the policemen, who ran to the local police station. The activists locked the police station from outside and burned the building, killing over 20 policemen.
It was an isolated incident, and Gandhi could have viewed it as such. But he termed the incident "a divine warning" and decided that tempers had to cool. He would not surrender the moral authority he sought to base, violent instincts; Gandhi knew what violence begat: more violence. In one of the more memorable statements attributed to him, Gandhi said: "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." Against the advice of his senior allies, he suspended the movement.
That's the answer to what the Dalai Lama should do if the Tibetan uprising turns violent - suspend the movement. He can do so, because his sense of "time" differs from that of leaders in business and politics. Corporations think of the next quarter. Politicians in a democratic society think of the next election. Communists think a generation ahead. But in the Dalai Lama they have a unique rival. If he has to, he is prepared to wait for his next incarnation in order not to surrender his moral authority.
Can the suffering of his followers wait that long, though? Some are losing patience; some want freedom in this world, not from the world. Can the Dalai Lama keep them calm even as he tries to shame the Chinese into doing the right thing?
Overwhelming evidence seems to suggest not. This week's talks are unlikely to yield much, if any, progress, and could push more Tibetans to the boiling point. But listen to Gandhi again: "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, always."
Salil Tripathi is a writer based in London.
Copyright ©2008 Salon Media Group, Inc.
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The name Formosan was used as recently as 40 years ago. It and Formosa do hark back to the Portuguese (whether they occupied Taiwan is debatable) and are still in many scientific names (but common names are gradually changing).
The idea of resurrecting the name, however, came up when my Taiwanese (in citizenship, language, and culture) father-in-law wondered if there wasn't something denigrating in the 'ese' endings since, as far as he knew, these were only used for Asians (except, maybe, the Portuguese). That's when my father (Caucasian American speaking Taiwanese) pointed out the historical use of Formosan.
Of course Taiwan for Taiwan! I just want to be confident that the original inhabitants are included equally (but, yes, the aboriginals I know also call themselves Taiwanese). Also, some of the descendants of those that came to Taiwan with Chang Kai-Shek seem to have a few concerns about being included, too. It's all part of Taiwan's struggle for national definition. Certainly, it makes for a wonderfully interesting place to live! As someone years ago pointed out for Taiwan, whenever you have 3-4 people together, one is always speaking a second (or third) language or is excluded from the conversation because of not knowing the language.
Fantastic. A Taiwan that has been part of China since the Sui dynasty (about 500 AD!!!) isn't part of China because towards the end of the 19th century the Japanese invaded it and forced China to cede the island. To some propagandists, nearly 2000 years of Chinese history doesn't count (but about 300 years of White conquest of North America does - and the comparatively recent conquest of Hawaii does). There's nothing confusing about the Allied Powers forcing Japan to return Taiwan to China at the end of WW2. Even today, Taiwan is 98 percent Han - the same majority folks on the Chinese mainland. The "Mins" or Minnan people are part of the Southern Han Chinese from Guangdong and Fujian - these Hans, known to many in the world as Hakka, Cantonese, Hokkiens, also call themselves "Tangren" or people of the Tang dynasty, of which I'm one.
The Alishan people were part of the minorities that represent the first waves of emigration from the mainland. Indeed, many Polynesians were part of that wave, but China never extended its empire to those far-flung islands. Today, the Alishan people constitute less than 2% of the island people - the majority are Minnan, of the Han (98%!)ethnic group, and of which I'm one.
The 1975 Senate Church report covered the range of CIA propaganda - not only did it infiltrated the major media such as Reuters, AP, AFP, etc. but also periodicals as well as the financing of about 1,000 books. Since then, this effort to confuse the world has increased, not decreased. But they cannot tell me that I'm not minnan, or from Fujian/Taiwan, and that I speak the so-called "Taiwanese language" or that we - minnan people such as hakkas, hokkienese, etc., are also "Tangren" and part of the Han majority.
But we do know that Hawaii WAS independent, and so WAS Guam and all the islands of Oceania before the white man, particularly the US, invaded them. But of course the "buay can siow" whites will say, they're there legitimately. Their hero McArthur even once claimed that the Pacific Ocean had become "an Anglo-Saxon lake."
NB: people who really know minnan language will understand that "buay can siow" means "shameless" as in the shameless White exterminators of the Native Americans.
shokulan,
I honestly never thought anyone would take my suggestion seriously about saying Taiwan is a part of Polynesia, and even more curiously want to call its inhabitants a name that derives from the Portuguese occupation. Alas, "Formosan" is an adjective widely used in taxonomy to designate Taiwan as the native ecosystem from which a plant or animal comes, so I guess there is a precedence. That being said, there is also a precedence for using "Chinese" as the adjective, which just brings us back to the original problem of subtext.
I don't find "Taiwanese" problematic. In English of course it has its multiple meanings, but as I'm sure you know, in Chinese (Mandarin, Taiwanese, whatever) there are distinct terms for the local language, the people, and "things" that come from here. Even the aboriginals I know would say (when speaking English) that they are Taiwanese. There you have it: Taiwan is part of Taiwan. ;)
'The whole election process looked like a circus with each clown marauding doing best he can to draw the crowd's attention!'
Unfortunately, that's all too true! This is why I support campaign finance reform in any country with pretensions for democracy, whether Taiwan or the USA. This will allow candidates to move away from endless fund raising and campaigning and move towards actual talk about issues and subsequent action. I, for one, certainly consider much more than eye-candy when deciding on my vote.
As for your comments about the knee shooting and dying of cancer - - double-check your sources. They represent the KMT perspective and do not include the assassination attempt of Taiwan's President Chen (who was shot in the stomach almost immediately before reelection) during which Vice President Annette Lu was shot in the knee. The KMT insist both shots were self-inflicted (or contracted by the DPP). Yes, a DPP founder, long known to be dying of cancer, did go on his knees to beg people to vote for a DPP mayor of Taipei.
In fact, it was my awareness of the KMT bias in reports in the New York Times that put me off reading the New York Times (all East Asia news articles are written by two men). If the reporting on Taiwan was so biased, then what about the reporting reporting on Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places?
Non-violence and violence are both strategies and tactics. Violence is usually more expensive overall. But, there is a reason we have the revenge gene: in the long run, if all oppressed groups roll over and die, the greedy and violent will always win, the non-violent will always become extinct.
I recall an article in Counterpunch a few years back. It was the threat of total civil war that drove the Brits out of India; it just happened that the Brits left before the civil war. Legal civil rights for blacks were only enacted at the edge of the bayonets of the National Guard.
This is not to say I advocate violence in most cases. It is merely that in some cases it is the only hope for group survival. Some years ago I came to the conclusion that suicide bombers, in the long run, tend to save lives. They do, however, make sure some of the bad guys die too.
shokulan:
Just because I only mentioned things about a candidate from one party doesn't mean I am for the other. I actually have little interest in the political parties of any country. It's just the fact that such a serious and important position in human society are competed by people that would even CONSIDER using such methods - it by itself is disturbing enough regardless of country and political alignment.
Look at the American election. Candidates offers better health care, withdrawal from a war, tax cuts - and other cute little things like adults offering candy to a kid. I can't help but felt asleep during all those speeches as they rarely go deep into any issue. All there is are just fancy words and candy-like offers. For candidates competing after a president like Bush, one'd expect people will at least be asking the candidate for next President on how he/she will restore or stabilize or improve current government structures, how they plan on stabilizing the economy and on how they plan to carry it out (with detailed info)etc, but you can't find even an ounce of that! The whole election process looked like a circus with each clown marauding doing best he can to draw the crowd's attention!
thewonderingyou,
I'm one who leans towards Taiwan as part of Polynesia, because I think people in Taiwan should be called Formosans. This is because Taiwanese has two meanings: 1) Taiwan citizen and 2) the people in Taiwan that speak Taiwanese. So, use of the name Taiwanese can be exclusive to everyone in Taiwan who is not Taiwanese, which includes aborigines, Hakka, and those that came in 1947 with Chang Kai-Shek.
Binn,
Sounds like you are KMT!
Even the KMT will not deny that Taiwan has extremely open and transparent voting, especially paper ballots and open-to-the-public counting of ballots. Voting is quick and easy with polling stations in each neighborhood and voting a process taking only a few minutes (no standing in lines). These things are what Taiwan can teach the USA.
Making a plea for sympathy is not limited to DPP, KMT, Republicans, or Democrats. This is part of the excess of information and dross that any voter must filter to make an informed vote.
The greatest difference I see between KMT and DDP is the post-election behavior. KMT had hissy fits and went to court (this should sound familiar to Americans witnessing the 2000 election). DPP apologized and went home re-evaluate party policies.
shokulan July 2nd, 2008 8:21 am
"Taiwan's elections can teach the USA a few things."
Yeah, like shooting yourself in the leg, or announcing one of your dear relative suddenly got cancer during election in order to get sympathy and votes. =P
Regarding Taiwan, to the "always has been" crowd out there, "always" is a pretty damned long time. And it's a rather absolute term. I refuse to accept it on the basis of fact: 10,000 years of contiguous residency of the first group of humans (who were NOT from China) to this island. Then came the Min Chinese from Fujian, some of the northern aboriginal tribes from the Ryukus, Han Chinese from further north on the mainland, the Portuguese, the Dutch, the Japanese army, Chiang Kai-Shek's army, and so on.
Larry D., you wrote "if Taiwan was not part of China" etc. "Was." Then wasn't, then was, and so on, and so on. This represents an ever-changing tide of claims, and does nothing to support some wacky hyper-nationalistic statement that Taiwan has "always been" part of China. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some old curmudgeon in Japan claim with wistful nostalgia that Taiwan has always been part of the greater Japanese Empire, and if that makes you wince and say "pfft," then you're experiencing the same reaction I do to such claims about Taiwan. It's not futile "American" propaganda (dunno where you got that idea in the first place--seems rather an odd moniker) it's just general fervently nationalistic political propaganda to say that Taiwan has "always been" part of anything. It was occupied for thousands of years before the Xia Dynasty by people who weren't even from China, so if you absolutely must use the term "always" with a disclaimer including only the time since Taiwan was first populated, then the closest you could get to truth would be to say that Taiwan's always been a part of Polynesia.
Now, how silly does that sound?
I do not "hate" the Dalai Lama. Because I am a progressive I think that he is useless for the future of Tibet.
"Since the Chinese influx, Tibetan culture has been desecrated by the opening of karaoke bars and brothels near monasteries and the building of in-your-face retail centers opposite the Potala Palace."
This is cultural genocide? Good lord! What will they call it when the Chinese open up a KFC and a McDonald's? I thought all this was the westernization (and modernization) of Tibet?
For the posters who've never heard of the CIA and Dalai Lama link, that's why you have a computer, the internet and the freedom to cruise it. If you don't believe want to believe what mainstream media tells you, then get to work, learn the truth and stop being made a fool of by a robed politican (wearing gucci shoes) and his western lackeys.
And, yes, Taiwan is a part of China! Always has been. The last election in Taiwan saw a President who has now decided to get closer to the mainland. Reunion is just a matter of time.
So the Chinese took back Tibet, took back Hong Kong, took back Macau, and will soon have Taiwan back.
No wonder certain people in the west hate them. They've done what no other 3rd world, non-white nation has ever done. They're reversed colonialistic history. Good job, China! Carry on!
And now after the Olympic Torch foofahraw you have the support of 99% of the 40 million overseas Chinese who were proud to show their patriotism and love for you (much to the shock and chagrin of you-know-who!)
Yes, that's right! Patriotism, not nationalism. Isn't it interesting how 'nationalism' is always used with China. And 'patriotism' used for western countries?
Hmmmm, velly intellesting...!!!! (*_^)
CD Moderator, please delete my previous comment, thanks.
Ha! Another exercise in futile American propaganda. If Taiwan was not part of China, then why did Japan demand that China cede the province in the Treaty of Shimonoski? Why did the Cairo Conference after WW2 required Japan to return Taiwan to China? And the so-called "Taiwanese" language is spoken by more people on the mainland, where the Taiwanese came from. It's call Fujianese or in Southeast Asia "hokkien." And I'm a Hokkienese, with relatives both on the mainland AND Taiwan - some of whom had been there BEFORE the Japanese invasion (a few intermarried with other Chinese who arrived at the island during the Sui dynasty, over a thousand years ago). Further, the Ali Shan natives were also part of the many Chinese minorities - we can find lots of rather similar mountain people on the mainland.
And all Chinese know the CIA's dirty work in Tibet before the war. Further, in a 1975 edition of the Far Eastern Economic Review (when it wasn't acquired by an American corporation) there was a long article on how the Dalai Lama was in radio contact with the CIA up to the moment he fled into India, and how the CIA ferried Tibetan young men to Colorado for military training, only to drop them back in Tibet to create "Tibetan resistance." To his credit, Chiang Kai-shek refused to accept the Tibetans in Taiwan, declaring, correctly, that Tibet has always been part of China.
Now, prior to the shameless American conquest of Hawaii, that island kingdom HAD been an independent state. And prior to Jamestown, the whole North American continent HAD belonged to the Native Americans. THOSE are irrefutable facts.
For those who doubt CIA involvement in Tibet and Dalai (The Lie) as a quisling (before his exile, Dalai was an official of the Chinese Central government), please go to Amazon and search for "Orphans of the Cold War" by John Kenneth Knaus. Knaus is the CIA agent in charge of the covert ops and 50-year friend of the Dalai family. He wrote in glowing terms of Western actions and would not be lying in this. Another book would be "The CIA's Secret War in Tibet", simlarly detailing Dalai as party to CIA's war with China. Dalai loves peace as much as he hates to kill. He eats meat killed by others, that apparently is okay by his form of Buddhism. So as long as others are doing the killing and dying, his hands are clean and his is peaceful. What a hypocrite.
For those who do not understand why CIA led insurgency did not work, the answer is because the Tibetan theocracy was not supported by the general oppressed population. That theocracy was a cruel, oppressive rule that banished its people to a life of hopless ignorance and servitude. There was no hope but to serve the god-kings or be tortured to death. The exiled Tibetan ruling class only talks about human rights in Tibet now because it's politically expedient. When they were in power, there was no human rights in Tibet.
I have read Dalai's self aggrandising biography. I would like to point out a few lies, or half-truths, or ommisions by his holiness. One needs only to read with discerning eyes to discover them.
He said his parents were small farmers. He tried to describe his family as common people of Tibet (the house I was born in was typical of our area of Tibet), growing just enough to feed the family (most of what my parents grew on the farm was used solely to feed us). But he also mentioned that his family, had, aside from Yaks and horses, 80 sheep and goats. His family home had 6 rooms with a private chapel (a prayer room with a small altar). He also mentioned his eldest brother, at that time, the Taktser Rinpoche, was already recognized as the reincarnation of a high lama. Can we believe that this was a common Tibetan family?
Both books mentioned above were written 10 years after the Dalai biography, so we should not be surprised at his holiness' silence about his contacts with CIA. He talked about his trip out of Tibet as if it was impromptu, and without plans (just like the recent riots in China were without plans). Then suddenly, he was joined by his family with a large group of guerillas, who took them across the Indian border, where his CIA agent brothers were waiting. Granted some people argue that no American CIA agents were ever inside Tibet, the CIA did and does employ many foreigners to work for them. In New York Times October 2, 1998 edition, his holiness' office finally admitted that they have been receiving money from the CIA. Once again, his holiness likes to explain that he does not handle money, so he is clean. He lets others do the dirty work so he can be holy.
There are too many such instances if one just tries to read more criticially and not believe in every lie that is printed.
Dalai the peace lover said again and again in his biography that he was not involved in the insurgency and never gave the approval for making war (i.e. killing humans), but then his biography mentioned that in the early 70's, the US stopped supporting the guerillas, and his holiness expressed his peacefulness by making tapings of his call for the guerillas to put down their arms. Interestingly, this happened when the US wanted to warm up to China (maybe a direct order from the paying boss?), and when there was no hope of the guerillas having any future. To surrender arms when one has lost the battle is not peace loving, it's called defeated. Further, if his holiness was not involved as the leader of the insurgency, and people had wanted to fight regardless of his opposition to war as he claimed, then why would they listen to him to stop? If you had told someone to start, then you could tell them to stop, otherwise it's just empty gestures. Or maybe we shouldn't believe that Dalai was really so peace-loving?
My thinking friends. Here is the question. When will a CIA hireling leave his employ and return to his nest to become a part of China again? When CIA says he could, which would be never. Omerta rules are not only for the Mafia.
As for so many well meaning people who are concerned about indigenous independence, please google Lakota independence, Alaska independence, Hawaii independence, Diego Garcia exiles, etc. and you will be too busy to digest his holiness' lies.
For example, check out Lakota at wikipedia, and you will find this: In September 2007, the United Nations passed a non-binding Resolution on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Canada, the United States, and Australia refused to sign. Where is your outrage, American friends of Dalai?
Finally, I would like to add that his holiness never openly criticized the US during the Vietnam War, nor has he shown moral courage in criticizing Israel's illegal occupation and oppression of Palestinians, nor does he say anything negative about the current war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Very peace-loving and holy? I think not.
RMouse and others,
There are innumerable links on the Internet to stories about the Dalai Lama's connections to the CIA. I will not get into arguing about each one of them. But any fair-minded person should start with the fact that Bush has invited the Dalai Lama to the White House, without being pressured to do so, and has good relations with the Dalai Lama. And Nancy Pelosi, queen of the military-industrial complex, has effusive praise for the Dalai Lama. And note that the Dalai Lama was raised as a sort of king in a feudal system where most people were virtual slaves. That really should be enough to inform the casual observer as to what sort of person the Dalai Lama is.
a 72 year old lady,
Please quote the sources of your research, but I find it hard to believe that the papers you read will override my experience in Taiwan and the Dalai Lama's memories (and the memories of any Tibetan, Taiwanese, or American over 70).
Take up thewonderingyou's invitation and pay a visit to Taiwan. President Ma Ying-Jyou has tried to make it easier for people in China to visit Taiwan. This is a good policy because it will help you get to know the people living here as people. It will also help you see and understand democracy.
A recent Taiwan's Supreme Court ruling extended support of free speech. So you can even come here and talk all you want about the advantages of Communism and China's 'ownership' of Taiwan and Tibet. No one will jail or deport you for talking! I do recommend, however, that you try some listening, too.
Since he will be reincarnated, it's a moot point to talk about destroying the Dalai Lama.
Talking about Taiwan is relevant to the discussion of Tibetan independence. Although China claims both Taiwan and Tibet, Taiwan is free and self-governing and Tibet is not.
All of us here at Common Dreams should support the Dalai Lama's non-violent efforts to free Tibet and Taiwan's non-violent efforts to develop as a free country that celebrates its diversity of peoples, languages, and cultures (briefly described by thewonderingyou). Certainly, this diversity is one reason I prefer living in Taiwan. Other reasons include, friendliness, tolerance, and an abiding appreciation for education. These are traits Taiwanese share with Tibetans.
To those that are threatened by my thread: i have done my research and now it is time that you do yours; unfortunately, i will be proved right. I love all the peoples of this Earth, beware of the World Invisible Government, it does not love humankind. Peace.
Stop talking about Taiwan. This thread is supposed to be about how to destroy the Dalai Lama. Find your own thread!!!
to: a 72 year old lady,
By the way, if you'd like to come here and visit (Taiwan truly is a fantastic place despite the heat, as I'm sure Tibet is despite the cold) I would be honored to be your guide and friend. My hope would be to broaden your view of this unique country, and of course to make sure you had a wonderful time.
To: a 72 year old lady,
I am neither an ignorant fool nor a CIA employee. I am a teacher, and a proud resident of Taiwan, and I hereby add my name to the challengers of your claim that Taiwan has always been part of China. The statement is almost too ridiculous to waste time on, but never mind the voluminous history texts that say otherwise, come here and talk to the Taiwanese.
Talk to the Han Chinese, whose families came here with the KMT, and those who are still ardently pro-KMT will tell you that it is somewhat the other way around: in a sense, China is "part of" the R.O.C., which is centered in Taiwan. Sure, they may tell you Taiwan "is" part of China, but unless they were sleeping in history class (learning the "was" part of the claim you made) while KMT-approved textbooks were chronicling Taiwan's history, all they are really saying is the same old useless claim that the KMT is the legitimate government of "The Republic of China." If they were awake, they'd likely admit that it wasn't always that way.
Talk to the Min Chinese, who've been here for hundreds of years, and have seen "possession" of Taiwan (an arbitrary thing indeed) shift from the Portuguese to the Japanese to the KMT. And now to Western culture, as a proxy "possessor" for the USA. Many of them who are my age remember a time before 1987 when even speaking the Min-derived variant of the Chinese language (Taiwanese) was a punishable offense in school. I don't think they would recognize the Han Chinese definition of exactly what Taiwan is "a part of." The younger generations will readily tell you that Taiwan isn't a part of any other country at all.
And now talk to the Aboriginal Taiwanese. They've been here for 10,000 years. They have their own languages, cultures, and religions. They've survived the onslaught of the Europeans and mainlanders. They've survived being forced to learn Japanese during the brutal occupation of WWII. They've survived the KMT's decades of martial law and subjugation, as well as the DPP's neglect in recent decades.
I live here, and I've talked to all of them, and absorbed their viewpoints as fairly as I can as member of yet another foreigner to this island. If you want to say "Taiwan is a part of XXXXXX," then I feel you really have only two choices: Asia, or The World. It is a unique (in every way) island, and has always been geographically, botanically, culturally, linguistically, politically, economically, and practically unique.
I don't feel good about ending with crassness, but I think gyptian's advice to FrederickJohnson is a fair way to voice my defense of shokulan's, culicomorpha's and riddimboy's rejoinders to your comment. Taiwan is a part of The World. Always has been, always will be. Well, on that last clause I am merely hopeful.
i think most progressives are working hard to find new ways to destroy the Dalai Lama and his ilk.
Jeez. I guess wise people are all busy somewhere's else. Probably out interspersing flowers amongst the vegetables like idiots, out of some pathetic notion it makes the heart sing, totally oblivious of the real work of getting guns and smashing face.
For those who have challenged my thread: You are either ignorant fools or work for the CIA.
F**k the Dalai Lama! And the pope. And "Motherfu**er" Teresa. And ALL religious (aka quack) leaders. Especially one that professes belief in reincarnation but flees his home and abandons his people at the first sign of danger.
I hadn't heard of his CIA connections, although it wouldn't surprise me. I would like to see some evidence.
'Remember, Tibet has always been a part of China as is Taiwan'
Total BS!
The Dalai Lama can remember when Tibet was not 'part of China.' So can most anyone over the age of 70.
Taiwan is most definitely not part of China. Taiwan is a functioning Democracy with free and open elections. In fact, Taiwan's elections can teach the USA a few things.
Taiwan can also teach the PRC a few things about preserving cultural heritage!
Progressive hatred for the Dalai Lama is at an all time HIGH!!
72 year old lady:
Taiwan has NOT always been a part of China, despite your most ardent wishes. I have been there many times. Some people feel the way you do, but many do not. In either case, the fact that China has been struggling to regain control of this "rogue" island is a clue to the reality that your assertion is patently false.
Wow, such virulence. Without evidence, I am not buying the CIA connections. Admittedly the CIA has pulled a lot of crap, but I have great difficulty believing that he would conspire with them. Without evidence, which I do not see forthcoming, I can only conclude that many of the posts here are BS.
In this period of instant gratification and the use of propaganda and violence to acheive a desired goal, anyone who argues for, fights for, a deeper more lasting peace is to be admired for their beliefs and for their actions.
Frankly, I very much admire the Dalai Lama, and share his belief in the value of non-violence. I agree with the thrust of this article: the Chinese have met thir match, and are found to be wanting.
"Remember, Tibet has always been a part of China as is Taiwan, "
This is B.S. (bullshit) and has been beaten to death on CD many many times (look up the archives). Also the Dalai Lama haters are invariably Chinese nationalists masquerading as old ladys or some such shit ...
The Dalai Lama also known as the Dollar Lama.....went into exile per CIA orders; this so called spiritual leader receives from us,the US taxpayers, 45 million dollars a year to preach US policies. He could have remained in Tibet, however,it was more useful for the US to have him outside. He lives rather well surrounded by slaves(Tibetan monks).He has never spoken against the war in Iraq, the apartheid in Palestine,the World Bank,bombing Serbia, or globalization. He is no Desmond Tutu.
The recent disturbances in Tibet were orchestrated by the US,the EU, Germany and France. China has become too capitalistic for the West.
Remember, Tibet has always been a part of China as is Taiwan, remember US strategy: divide and conquer.
Just like we have done in Kosovo separating this province from Serbia.
FrederickJohnson ... follow this piece of advice. Spread your legs and slowly and steadily ease your head out of your ass and look around. It helps. Occasionally.
"Non-violence means dialogue, using our language, the human language. Dialogue means compromise; respecting each other's rights; in the spirit of reconciliation there is a real solution to conflict and disagreement. There is no hundred percent winner, no hundred percent loser—not that way but half-and-half. That is the practical way, the only way."
-His Holiness the Dalai Lama
The Dalai Lama is the best. Unless you've read his books and looked closely at his life, you don't know what you're talking about with your immature insults of him.
Wow! I had no idea that so many progressives truly despised the Dalai Lama. Lots and lots of virulent hatred of him here.
Why does the western world seize on this one particular separatist movement, and ignore the other 100's of separatists movements all over the world?
The Chinese seem to have a solution to the longevity of a non-violent opponent: coopt the choice of his successor, as they have done with the Panchen Lama.
mr. E: what purchase could have stopped WWII?
I happen to think highly of Tibetan Buddhism, and think it is incredibly valuable and worth saving. I have practiced sporadically to disproportionately good result.
When it came the war of genocide in the middle east, the Dalai Lama suggested that time would tell if this war was just. What a pathetic man.
nonviolence is a way of behaving, just like violence. i happen to share the belief that nonviolence works better than violence. it seems as though throughout history, the practicers of violence have outnumbered those who follow nonviolence by many orders of magnitude. i can't help but attribute a lot of the world's problems to that issue.
on a side note, i read an interesting factoid that all of the money spent on the civil war could have been used to buy the freedom of every single slave.
the same thing could probably be said for world war II. just something to think about when someone mentions a "just war"
"...all politics is religious; all religion is political; the two cannot be separated..."
Which is why both must be eliminated.
kelmer,
China isnt' going to self destruct. I'll bet you my house the current government of China outlasts the current government of the USA, which is self-destructing. The USA propaganda against China is ridiculous. I have traveled all over that nation on many journeys over the past 14 years and there is unrest there as there is in virtually every developing nation, but that unrest is magnified a thousandfold by the Western press. China's environmental problems are comparable to the USA problems in the 1960s, before the passage of the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act and creation of the EPA. China has work to do but if the most fascist nation on earth can do it, i.e. the USA, then China certainly can. The Chinese seem to spend more on public infrastructure in one week than the USA does in an entire year. The Chinese on the whole are much more peaceful, hardworking, and responsible people than Americans, and they value harmony in society and harmony with nature to a far greater extent. And their government is more sensitive to their needs and desires than the USA government is to the needs and desires of the common ordinary Americans.
And it seems few Chinese think much of the Dalai Lama. Even the most pro-American and anti-communist Chinese think the Dalai Lama is a flunky and a medieval fool.
Gandhi is a BIG FUCKING JOKE ! He allowed his wife to die while the fucker acted like a total hypocrite drinking the penicillin ! Just ask his children who HATE him for leaving them to languish in their childhood days ! So how is India doing after his "selfless" model? PISS POOR ! A lot of different groups of Indians have showed me how non-cooperation and infighting are tearing up the country all the while Muslim and Christian fundies are slowly nipping and even shackling at India's ankle. Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Dalai Rama, etc ... are nothing but BIG JOKES. The power to change must come from the people and if they're not gonna stand up to the mess they're in, like the US, they get shit canned !
One thing these articles overlook about the Dalai Lama is why the Chinese refer to him as a flunky. A flunky to whom? Oh, the United States of America. It seems that he, the Dalai Lama was paid $200,000 a year from the mid-sixities into the nineties by the CIA to discredit / destabilize the Communist Chinese Regime. He stopped getting the money when China became the U.S.'s bestest buddy and trading partner.
Low and behold, he became a major peace figure after this...
Tripathi closes with what may be the best argument Gandhi ever made "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always."
A lovely warm fuzzy. I just don't know what history books he was reading. Everyone falls, emperors and saints alike. Nonviolence, like violence, may get back to you in the long run, or not. A nuclear armed India long ago gave up on reaping the rewards of Gandhian tactics, so did the followers of Jesus. Then, there are the many tyrants, bullies, killers and thieves who've died comfortably in their beds of old age to consider, as well as the millions of innocent victims who go down every year without putting up much of a fight. They may be winners in the long run, but you'll never collect on that bet. There are many anecdotes of non-violence triumphing in the end (after the good people have usually been smoked on the altar of heroism and worshipped in absentia by transfixed followers). See The Reader's Digest for your monthly dosage . Meanwhile, you must ignore dozens more examples that won't squeeze into the narrow mold of your superstitions.
So who are you going to believe, Gandhi, or your lying eyes. If you prefer Gandhi, here's a couple more of his quotes to digest.
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
Mohandas Gandhi
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.
Mohandas Gandhi
Forgiveness, only when there is the power to punish; it is meaningless when it pretends to proceed from a helpless creature..
Mohandas Gandhi..
What the heck was that supposed to mean, safiyyah?
Face it: all politics is religious; all religion is political; the two cannot be separated; Jesus never even tried. Those of you who do try to separate state and church are doomed to failure. That's just a fact of life, just as it takes air to breathe. The only question is, on which side will you come down? Peace? Violence? Bloodshed? Brotherhood?
No matter the subject, violence often brings short-term gains and long-term problems.
It WILL get back to you eventually, it happened to the British, to Nazis, the Japanese and now is happening to the USA, I do not see why China should be any different...
Lama, Pope, what's the difference?
Evil Chinese, good democratic British Empire. Violent Palestinians, good Buddha loving non-violent Gandhi-fed Tibetans. Oh Great Man Dalai Lama, some want to abandon the True Road to Enlightenment your wisdom leads us to. We adore you from America and Britain as you fight the Evil Ones... the Chinese.
Now that CD has helped New Age promote this Holy Man Buddhist theocracy, maybe they can do the same for the Vatican and the Pope? They are into 'non-violence' too, I hear.
"But listen to Gandhi again: 'When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall – think of it, always.'"
They always fall – except when they don't.
As an individual a tyrant must perish, but tyranny persists with a face lift under a new name – with or without a "Constitution," with or without "election," as long as there remain "believers" who have "faith" and never need to dirty themselves with "evidence."
"They left in 1947 when they found that sustaining the empire was no longer possible economically, politically, or morally."
Interesting article and enlightening but I do have objections to this statement. The British left India because holding onto India was economically and politically becoming impossible, but to credit them with morality is a joke. After 300 years of imperial rule to claim that morality suddenly dawned on them is a stretch.
As long as they reject Chinese stupidity.
Definitely dont want to adopt the China model of citizens rights and environmental respect.
China will probably self destruct before Tibet will.
Young Tibetans would do well to emulate young Americans and reject the "old Tibetan theocracy" of their country which has isolated them from the rest of the world. If the Dalai Lama loves his people as he claims he does he should retire from the public stage forever to some remote temple and contemplate his navel. Lamaism is not even conservative, it is reactionary. It offers no modern future for young Tibetans who should leave it in droves and we ought to encourage and help them. We ought to understand that Lamaism is medieval, hence stop idolizing, applauding, and supporting it. Freedom from Lamaism is, at this time, much more useful for young Tibetans than some imported and abstract Western "freedom".