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Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle Is for Losers
Last Friday afternoon, the guests taking part in Sunday's roundtable discussion on This Week had a pre-show call with George Stephanopoulos. One of the topics he raised was Obama's perceived move to the center, and what it means. Thus began my weekend obsession. If you were within shouting distance of me, odds are we talked about it. I talked about it over lunch with HuffPost's DC team, over dinner with friends, with the doorman at the hotel, and the driver on the way to the airport.
As part of this process, I looked at the Obama campaign not through the prism of my own progressive views and beliefs but through the prism of a cold-eyed campaign strategist who has no principles except winning. From that point of view, and taking nothing else into consideration, I can unequivocally say: the Obama campaign is making a very serious mistake. Tacking to the center is a losing strategy. And don't let the latest head-to-head poll numbers lull you the way they lulled Hillary Clinton in December.
Running to the middle in an attempt to attract undecided swing voters didn't work for Al Gore in 2000. It didn't work for John Kerry in 2004. And it didn't work when Mark Penn (obsessed with his "microtrends" and missing the megatrend) convinced Hillary Clinton to do it in 2008.
Fixating on -- and pandering to -- this fickle crowd is all about messaging tailored to avoid offending rather than to inspire and galvanize. And isn't galvanizing the electorate to demand fundamental change the raison d'etre of the Obama campaign in the first place? This is how David Axelrod put it at the end of February, contrasting the tired Washington model of "I'll do these things for you" with Obama's "Let's do these things together":
"This has been the premise of Barack's politics all his life, going back to his days as a community organizer," Axelrod told me. "He has really lived and breathed it, which is why it comes across so authentically. Of course, the time also has to be right for the man and the moment to come together. And, after all the country has been through over the last seven years, the times are definitely right for the message that the only way to get real change is to activate the American people to demand it."
Watering down that brand is the political equivalent of New Coke. Call it Obama Zero.
In 2004, the Kerry campaign's obsession with undecided voters -- voters so easily swayed that 46 percent of them found credible the Swift Boaters' charges that Kerry might have faked his war wounds to earn a Purple Heart -- allowed the race to devolve from a referendum on the future of the country into a petty squabble over whether Kerry had bled enough to warrant his medals.
Throughout the primary, Obama referred to himself as an "unlikely candidate." Which he certainly was -- and still is. And one of the things that turned him from "unlikely" upstart to presidential frontrunner is his ability to expand the electorate by convincing unlikely voters -- some of the 83 million eligible voters who didn't turn out in 2004 -- to engage in the system.
So why start playing to the political fence sitters -- staking out newly nuanced positions on FISA, gun control laws, expansion of the death penalty, and NAFTA?
In an interview with Nina Easton in Fortune Magazine, Obama was asked about having called NAFTA "a big mistake" and "devastating." Obama's reply: "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified."
Overheated? So when he was campaigning in the Midwest, many parts of which have been, yes, devastated by economic changes since the passage of NAFTA, and he pledged to make use of a six-month opt-out clause in the trade agreement, that was "overheated?" Or was that one "amplified?"
Because if that's the case, it would be helpful going forward if Obama would let us know which of his powerful rhetoric is "overheated" and/or "amplified," so voters will know not to get their hopes too high.
When Obama kneecaps his own rhetoric and dilutes his positioning as a different kind of politician, he is also giving his opponent a huge opening to reassert the McCain as Maverick brand. We know that McCain has completely abandoned any legitimate claim on his maverick image, but the echoes of that reputation are still very much with us -- especially among many in the media who would love nothing more than to be able to once again portray McCain as the real leader they fell in love with in 2000. And the new Straight Talk Express plane has been modeled on its namesake bus, decked out to better recreate the seduction.
The transition between the primaries and the general election -- and from insurgent to frontrunner -- is tricky. Even a confident campaign can be knocked off course. So this is when Obama most needs to remember what got him to this point -- and stick with it.
In a Los Angeles Times article detailing Obama's attempts at "shifting toward the center," Matt Bennett of the centrist think tank Third Way says that Obama is a "good politician. He's doing all he can to make sure people know he would govern as a post-partisan moderate."
But isn't being a "good politician" as it's meant here exactly what Obama defined himself as being against? Instead of Third Way think tankers, Obama should listen to this guy:
"What's stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics -- the ease with which we're distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our preference for scoring cheap political points instead of rolling up our sleeves and building a working consensus to tackle big problems.... The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page."
That was Barack Obama in February of 2007, announcing his run for the White House. "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington," he said that day, "but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."
Was that just "overheated and amplified" rhetoric?
The Obama brand has always been about inspiration, a new kind of politics, the audacity of hope, and "change we can believe in." I like that brand. More importantly, voters -- especially unlikely voters -- like that brand.
Pulling it off the shelf and replacing it with a political product geared to pleasing America's vacillating swing voters -- the ones who will be most susceptible to the fear-mongering avalanche that has already begun -- would be a fatal blunder.
Realpolitik is one thing. Realstupidpolitik is quite another.
Arianna Huffington is the co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Huffington Post, a nationally syndicated columnist, and author of twelve books. She is also co-host of "Left, Right & Center," public radio's popular political roundtable program.
Copyright © 2008 HuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
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Show Allthere sure has been a bunch of BS lately about obama.
the same people claiming him to be "the most liberal senator" in one breath, will go on to say how he keeps moving to the middle.
as if trying to make a little bit of everyone happy... not just dems... not just rethugs, is a bad thing.
bush could've done this country, and his legacy a great deal of good by realizing he's supposed to represent ALL OF US.
not just that last 20% of americans still holding onto dear life to that "Bush 2004" sticker on their car.
and speaking of the war criminal (aka: where our collective focus SHOULD BE)
Should a war criminal be permitted to speak on the Fourth of July at Thomas Jefferson's home, Monticello?
Right Now, Wherever You Are: The Thomas Jefferson Foundation, a private nonprofit, owns and operates Monticello with a professed mission of preservation and education. Call Monticello right now and ask them to uninvite Bush: (434) 984-9822. Then let the Daily Progress newspaper in Charlottesville know that you've done that: enewstips@dailyprogress.com
Or, assuming that doesn't work:
In Charlottesville on July 4th: Join us for a colorful nonviolent exercise of our First Amendment rights at 8:30 a.m. at the first parking lot on the right on Rt. 53 just east of Rt. 20. Or attend the event at Monticello, open to the public.
The Unitary Executive is scheduled to disgrace the grounds of Thomas Jefferson's house, Monticello, in Charlottesville, Va. During a July 4 naturalization ceremony, immigrants will swear to "support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic" at an event besmirched by the presence of the Constitution's leading domestic enemy.
Jefferson's Declaration of Independence from King George faulted him for harassment by his troops, elevating the military above civilian power, denying people a fair trial by jury by transporting them overseas to be tried on false accusations, and other abuses that have been matched by our current King George.
He has claimed the power to ignore laws, to rewrite laws, to adhere to secret laws, to discard habeas corpus, to spy without warrant, to detain without charge, to torture, to murder, and to lie the nation into wars of conquest. All citizens, old and new, have a duty to support and defend the Constitution, a document that requires the impeachment of a president as criminal and abusive as the current one.
Learn more about impeaching Bush: http://afterdowningstreet.org/bush
For information on the protest, including housing if coming from out of town, call 434-961-6278.
Please bring posters, signs, costumes, banners, props, eggs.
"Obama, announcing plans that would expand President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and - in a move sure to cause controversy - support their ability to hire and fire based on faith."
So hire the Hindu and fire the Christian
Or hire the Jewish and fire the Christian
Or hire the Taoist and fire the Christian
Or hire the Atheist and fire the Christian
Or hire the Confucian and fire the Christian
Or hire the Buddahist and fire the Christian
Or hire the Shintoist and fire the Christian
Or hire the Zoroastrian and fire the Christian
Or hire the Mohammedian and fire the Christian
Where will this base faithed initiative take us?
Molly Ivins made this same point on these same pages a few years back.
The population is to the left of the pundits and politicians on a whole bunch of issues. PollingReport.com is a good source to check public opinion, and to check on the issues Molly wrote about.
This shift to the center proves one thing, Obama is a politician and as such will kiss anything for a vote. So much for change. If he gets in it will be SOSDD.
Ariana's ex-pet?
We are caught in a serious catch-22. The more articles like this one, the more the pundits will congratulate Obama on his "courage" in taking on that old "irrational" party "base" everyone's (the pundits and their associated allies) always hated. What to do? Got me. George Carlin was probably right about that too; watch on with amused detachment.
Obama's whole campaign was based on "Change we can beleive in". In moving toward the center, he is making it difficult for us to beleive that he will work toward the change he touted.
He is taking careful aim at his foot and if he continues the centerist move he will be gently squeezing the trigger. I worked very hard to get him nominated and now I'm wondering if I did the right thing. At least Hillary (& Bill) was a known quantity.
I would hate to see the young people that he attracted become dissalusioned again, although I'm not sure if they beleive in the man or his platform.
Arianna Huffington would have better results for her own agenda by spending her (considerable) publicity resources bashing the McCains for being 25-year beer dealers who cannot possibly be the presidential choice of the God that Christians profess to believe in. Because whatever way THOSE (church-based) voters go WILL determine the election.
While she might privately give Obama some advice he could profit from about not leaning too far right, doing so publicly is counter-productive. It only invites otherwise thoughtless people to pile on and have a big fit about the candidate offering you (us) the most hope of the two.
Spare us the "no-difference-between-them" schtick. It's empty---and it's a profound lie.
I would hate to see the young people that (Obama) attracted become disillusioned again . . .
This is the Olympic Games of American politics, the Nobel Prize, the Oscars, the World Cup . . . all unfolding in a quickly dying Empire. Obama is going to wind up in the end like the Robert Redford character in "The Candidate": having compromised everything he truly believed in, he will be reduced to asking those closest to him politically "What do I do now?" Anyway, racism and anti-Muslim bias will defeat him in the end and we will be stuck with John McCain whom we can watch shuffle aimlessly around the White House for four disastrous years on his walker with the cannon welded to the handle. People touring the White House will occasionally hear him yelling at the ghosts of his father and grandfather, "You were just admirals! I'm the President!"
well, in the beginning there was some promise obama would be a leader of principles. now we know he is just a politician of convenience.
re RichM 12:38pm
whence this sudden fit of masochism?
Obama, I am afraid, talks a good game about doing the right thing, but, in the end, will sell all that out and preserve the corrupt status quo with lots of empty promises, just as the Democratic congress elected in 2006 has done. He will be nice and inspiring about it, though.
DanielDavid -- "While she might privately give Obama some advice he could profit from about not leaning too far right, doing so publicly is counter-productive"
Which world do you live in ? This isnt 'palace intrigue' where words are uttered into willing ears in hushed corridors ! Get a grip. If the Pied Piper is gonna take all the children over the cliff we better grab onto them !
The Republican agenda is very unpopular. Why on earth would you move your policies more closely to it?
Vote Nader!
re RichM 12:48pm
the book "the spitting image" sets the record straight about this despicable bit of historical revisionism, fabricated to discredit the peace movement. there may have been a few isolated instances, but troops rotating home from vietnam arrived on commercial airliners individually or in small groups, not on troop ships as was the case after WWII and korea. try to imagine a bunch of hippies staking out airports for weeks in hopes of finding a target for their righteous salvos of saliva.
as i recall, we on the antiwar left, who built close relationships with many uniformed soldiers through the coffehouse movement, were careful to distinguish between draftees and what we and they called "lifers" or "john waynes."
I too am glad to see DD here, primarily because it gives RichM fuel for his well reasoned and articulate attacks on the perverse political system run by the fascismo-republicans and supported and enabled by the fascismo-democrats.
My guess is that DD is an octogenarian who grew up in the FDR era, and still longs for the seeming good ole days.
Little by little, I'm starting to wonder why should I waste my time voting for this guy.
rebelnow,
Actually, DD is 56 years old, grew up in the '60's, was an accountant for a (conservative) small corporation for twenty years, has been self-employed since, and learned to be "left" after being raised "right" both at home and at work.
As for RichM, she manages to rattle on and on just fine without me. A serious student of history, I think, but unwilling to say or do a single thing to actually improve anything in the present.
Good discussion, Ms. Huffington.
But you are missing a very important possible explanation for Obama's rightward turn. Maybe some operatives from the corporate shadow government have quietly sat down and had a little chat with Obama. Maybe they told him, "Look, either you send a few signals that you're gonna govern the way we want you to or we will ruin your campaign. Same way we ruined Gary Hart's campaign and John Dean's campaign, or maybe the same way we ruined Bobby Kennedy's campaign. Remember, bud, that America is for the corporations -- the armsmakers and the oil companies and the whole machinery of $$ and death -- and we're not about to allow a true champion of the people to become president. We've got all the power. So you've got a choice. You can become president on our terms or you can get yourself destroyed by our hitmen."
Obama has taken this message to heart. He is too ambitious to give up on his dream of becoming president. So he has decided to become neo-con lite. That is what is really going on. He's made a deal with the devils in the shadow government, same way that Bill Clinton did. Elections these days are not "won" by appealing to the popular masses. They are "won" by convincing the corporate class that you are not going to rock their gravy train and they don't have any reason to steal the office away from you through their endless supply of dirty tricks. Obama will "win" by making sure that he is sufficiently pro-corporation to dissuade the shadow puppeteers from rigging the vote, swiftboating him to death, or outright killing him.
Sometimes Ms. Huffington's enthusiasm for our "democratic process" amuses me. Get a clue, Ms. Huffington. This is not a democracy. It is a charade designed to placate the masses into perpetual servitude.
Mordechai Shiblikov writes: "I would hate to see the young people that (Obama) attracted become disillusioned again . . ."
Great insight Sir! The young have always been by far the greatest danger for charismatic leaders when they begin to discover how they have been deceived.
I have noticed that many commentators think that winning the White House by Obama trumps anything he says or does. I disagree. I think that it is almost irrelevant what he says or does between now and the elections in November. That is all whipping foam and blowing hot air. All useless for understanding what will happen next year. I think that by far the most important and necessary change is the emergence of a very courageous and powerful US Congress (House and Senate) which will tell by its legislation and binding resolutions not only our next president but many of his successors what they must do and what they cannot do. Ironically that is not "change forward" but "change backward" to the 19th century before Teddy Roosevelt when powerful Speakers and Senate Majority Leaders ruled the roost.
Yes, I think that this is more important than whether Obama or McCain will be our next president, although that is not totally unimportant.
It is terribly unfortunate that the composition of our Congress is an issue that gets completely drowned in the gigantic drudge of the presidential campaign. Unfortunately most bloggers contribute to the drowning. I live in Texas and I will help making sure that Senator Cornyn will not return to the US Senate again. I will work for and vote for Democrat Rick Noriega who understands my concern about our emasculated Congress. I hope that Noriega will ignore Obama's call for "bringing us all together." I do not want to be brought together with people who have wrecked my country and no sane Democratic representative or senator should heed this idiotic call either. I want my representatives to stand up to the Kyl's and the Lieberman's.
Actually, Obama has always been a centrist. Good little superficially progressive sheeple saw a nice, young, sleek politician and thought he cherished their ideals . . . because he talked pretty. If only they'd listened to what he'd been saying.
So most of his "move toward the center" actually isn't; he'd espoused most of those centrists beliefs before. With one exception: He now supports a FISA bill with immunity for the telecom giants; previously he'd said he'd oppose any such immunity.
What people should've noticed is that he was supporting any FISA bill under any circumstances, which was already categorically unacceptable.
There is no center - only right and less right. Welcome to fascism.
Initially, after Dennis Kucinich was out, I thought Obama was the next best choice (between Clinton and him). I wanted to believe, even though this little voice in my head kept doubting. In the past weeks since the primary elections, I hear more and more from Obama and about Obama that make me very uneasy.(voting record, his corporate ties, the people advising him -- as well as his choices for VP -- look like the same old tired faces of the past 16 years to me. How does that represent change?) My gut tells me he's too weak to stand up to the forces that are pressing him now, and indeed if he becomes President he'll just be a so-so mediocre President who in fact will not change much that really counts in any significant way for ordinary working people -- or corporate control of our government. My gut tells me, if he becomes President, any changes he makes will be very small in the long run, and certainly will not change the way Washington works. I think he's just another politician touting the same old "change" line that voters want to hear and believe, but don't educate themselves on the details of the candidates' real positions on issues. I'M VOTING NADER. It's better to stand and vote for principle than to cave in to voting for the least worst candidate -- regardless of the outcome. Voting for the least worst has not worked positively for Americans in the past, and it won't this time around either. Change? What change?
hahaha, good posts RichM and DD
Support for Obama is starting to hemorrhage on the left flank of the Democratic Party. The dam is starting to spring leaks! Consider this a Distant Early Warning, Obama campaign! You better correct course.
We were called upon to "trust our higher selves" by Obama and many of us suppressed our doubts and pitched in to build the "movement" to carry Obama to victory. Not all of us are kids.
It is beginning to look as if we were conned by a sweet-talkin' man. While he was running for the Democratic nomination, he knew exactly what to say to make us believe, to think, "this time it's for real." Once he got what he wanted from us, he zipped up his pants and left.
It's the morning after the night before. I feel stupid and cheap. And he's out the door.
Oh what might have been....
Time to stop believing in personalities and begin facing realties.
I have no interest in a middle-of-the-road Obama. Arianna, I'm with you. The whole reason I supported Obama over Hillary is that I felt that Obama was being truthful about changing the way of politics. Now he hedges on FISA immunity and NAFTA. What else is he going to abandon us (me) on. Just because I hand to the left, doesn't mean I'll automatically vote for him. If there is not a candidate that I feel good about supporting, I wont vote. I'm sick of the lesser of two evils.
"Israel is always justified in defense of itself," quoth Obama---so, Israel, here's your blank check in advance for whatever inhuman outrage you have next in mind. What would Obama do if Israel attacked Iran and started WWIII? The same as the other fruitcakes---so that nobody thinks he isn't a manly American....
bald-n-sb -- "What else is he going to abandon us (me) on."
This ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02campaigncnd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
... assuming you are FOR the seperation of Church and State ...
The Pied Piper is merrily on his way.
I would just like to point out that the accusations of allowing religion to be factored into hiring practices is outright false. If you read the text of Obama's speech, he clearly states the exact opposite. That religion would not be allowed to be a factor in hiring decisions for federally funded projects. If you want the facts, read the speech.
http://politicjock.blogspot.com/
Obama is a tool of Rockefeller and the CFR. He will sell himself as is necessary to obtain the executive seat for the CFR Cabal. Obama will sway his rhetoric to appease the public, but only for the moment. He will never commit acts that are not approved by Bilderberger and CFR committees. If and when he gets into office, he'll be no different than President Cheney, giving the finger and saying, "So?"
Elections usually have the highest turnout when ideologies between the candidates are the most stark: there is a reason 2004 was a record breaking election year for turnout; there is a reason primary turnout has been record breaking thus far, and will likely be a record breaking general election in November-stark differences in ideologies.
It's a not unusual tactic or even consequence of running in a tough primary and tracking to the left, only to move slightly to the center when you become the nominee; I personally don't think it's as bad as some are out to portray it. Where, on his website, for example, have his positions changed? When asked questions, doesn't he mostly use the same phrases, let alone take the same stance, as he did in the primaries? Is pushing for "conservative" ideas like self-reliance while having the liberal safety net a bad thing? Does that move him to the "center" so he can "pander"? I don't think so. I think it makes him a realist, a pragmatist; and, a political writer should know well enough that a politician able to get the nomination for president for one of the two major parties has to be a pretty damn good one-and that's not an entirely bad thing, either. A president has to be a good politician if he/she wants to accomplish anything, domestically or on the international stage.
Nor can we sit here and delude ourselves of his "post-partisan" message: working together is a great thing, but there are few among us here that actually welcome this; we'd rather our own ideas take center stage and these (many of them idiotic) conservative-especially the reactionary-ideas pushed aside and shelved in the aisles of obsolescence where they belong. Is a "post-partisan" going to be able to effectively do this? The simple answer is no; this is why someone-a good politician-who appeals to the conservative side but actually represents mostly progressive ideas is ideal.
It's true there were a lot of these so-called "swing" voters or "independents" who believed the swift-boaters and the smears against Kerry; it's also true that Kerry has nowhere near the appeal Obama does, nor did Kerry, who ostensibly found it good that he walked around with a lightning rod half way up his rectum, fight back anywhere close to the way Obama has done so far.
Gore tried to run to the center by picking Lieberman as a running mate; Kerry tried to run to the center not by strategy, but because he allowed Bush to frame the debate: he fell lockstep with almost every charge against him, and thought playing defense was a winning strategy. Nobody told him, apparently, and like Obama understands, that the best defense is a good offense.
I'm at the point where I am giving up on paying any attention to the presidential election. I'll cast my vote, but I am trying to not expect change to come of it. The system is too entrenched for any one person to make a huge difference. I am going to try to find other more productive, local ways of channeling my political/utopian energies than waiting for the savior.
If Obama's stance of FISA, gun control, Israel, Iran and the death penalty are considered "centre" then wholly hell, I don't want to know what the Right is.
The US of A had a chance to pick someone with decency and empathy (Kucinich). They turned their backs on that idea. That's America! The world distrusts you more and more each day.
Using the Constitution to put down Shays' Rebellion, property owners took national power in the US. Our parties are the mouthpiece of wealth: conservatives headquartered in the Republican Party and the impositional mouthpiece, liberals are the accommodational mouthpiece headquartered in the Democratic Party. The business of government debates and compromises the substance of accommodation until full imposition can take place. Each side then blames the other for the imposition of the will of the property-owning class upon the public. When the poor resist, it is called class warfare, which liberals avoid and conservatives consider blasphemy. When the wealthy conduct class warfare by imposing their will, it is called law and order. All claims of political balance in fact operate in one direction only.
Here's the plan: convince the country the "polls" show BO and JM "evenly matched" right up until E-day, then let Diebold do it's thing, with a little help from the Blackwells peppered in key states.
"Change" will only come when "we" stop jerking ourselves off and start supporting, campaigning and voting for real leaders who have never been bought and paid for puppets of Big Corporate Government.
Congressman Dr. Ron Paul or lifetime public servant Ralph Nader are the only real choices... and y'all know it.
This is the Kerry mentality kicking in, the inside the beltway just plain greed and we can't hide from it.
If it is turning me off, it will be doing so even more in that huge segment of the enthusiastic and idealistic American public which Obama needs to be very careful he doesn't lose. It is his to win, and it is most certainly his to lose.
Same old same old isn't change. Obama needs to dance with them that brung him, and he's acting mighty fickle right now.
Kolea, don't fret or be too hard on yourself, you're a lovely classy lady.
These people couldn't care less about the left flank, but it's probably not Obama's doing. He has a playlist he's memorized and probably hasn't yet realized he's being tooled.
His remarks today on faith based organizations for me are the last straw.
He has told his original backers to collectively go to hell. He has not even attempted to hide his open contempt for us. This shameless pandering of the far right is positioning him on the near left of McCain. Take your choice. McCain light or the real McCain. And how long will it be before Obama becomes a "realist" on the war, deciding the US has to stay? Thus continuing the Bush legacy with permanent bases?
No, at this moment my disgust with him is overflowing. And since he will probably lose his grassroots support, the "yes we can" crowd, by spitting in their eye, his version of concensus politics can only be "triangulation." In other words, compromise, politics as usual. With nods towards those (FISA, the Christian right) who would destroy our Constitution.
Obama has not even become president yet but his honeymoon appears to be nearly over. How far can he insult his original backers?
I have to be careful about placing too much trust in people who have doormen, drivers, and take a lunch. I have to push my front door open with my butt becuase kids and dogs and junk travel with me, not only do I have to drive myself places (unless I let my son drive - no way)and lunch, when else do you get to do chores?
I'm voting for Obama.
Michael
Vmulier -
My perception has always been that Barack Obama has bent over backward to reassure what you call "operatives from the corporate shadow government" that he was a safe pair of hands.
Obama has always espoused moderate, centrist views on virtually all substantive public policy issues that had the potential for riling up the big money players, the white power structure, or the major institutional elites inside the DC beltway. Nobody had to sit him down after Hillary conceded, and threaten him with what he already knew, to make accommodations that he had already staked out.
I consider the recent spate of news analyses about Obama tacking back towards the supposed political center to be ephemeral - lacking in factual basis as to the premise that he was liberal with a capital L to begin with. The same GOP spin meisters and MSM pundits hung a bogus super-liberal label on John Kerry, and Al Gore, and upon Bill Clinton even before that. It was done to create a serviceable, gossip-generating illusion that the damn Dems were waffling again - when actually each candidate was actually just being consistent - consistently centrist.
Unless Barack goes wobbly on ending the US military occupation of Iraq ("a dumb war"), I'm willing to cut him some leeway and tolerate some tactically nuanced ambiguity on non-life-or-death issues. In my opinion, far more important than whether Obama bobs and weaves on even an important civil liberties question like FISA immunity, is whether he begins to show signs of marginalizing or avoiding public association with the progressive grassroots of his party's base.
Arianna's absolutely right that it would be realstupidpolitik to take the bait, take reformist voters for granted, and pander further and further right of what now passes for the political center. I just don't believe Obama's actually doing that.
I'd be far more worried if Barack Obama were to start dissasociating his campaign from folks like Arianna Huffington rather than from folks like Wesley Clark. The mere fact that George Stephanopoulos is the guy framing this "perceived move to the center" is cause to question whether there's a basis for real concern.
Bill from Saginaw
As a 'baby boomer' it's been a long, long time since any politician seemed new & exciting, but Obama did for awhile. Now it's back to the same ol' shit, & this 'faith-based' crap is the final straw for me - John McCain is looking better every beer!
I hate admitting that I'm wrong. But here goes: all of you out there who warned that Obama was full of crap and that we had drunk the kool-aid and that we would be sorely disappointed and that he was no progressive.... YOU WERE RIGHT. And you have every right to say, loudly, "I told you so!!!"
Quinty (3:58 pm). I'm with you. Obama's decision to expand Bush's faith-based program is the last straw for me. The AIPAC speech was horrible and nauseating, the FISA vote was a betrayal, but this, THIS is too much! The worst part is that Obama taught constitutional law for years, and for him to think that it is okay under the First Amendment to have federal tax dollars funding private religious institutions is outrageous. His position on FISA is equally at odds with the Constitution. Whatever Obama used to be, when he was a community organizer, and voted against the death penalty for gangs, well, he's not the same person anymore.
God, I miss Dennis Kucinich! I agree with Arianna Huffington and several posters here that Obama is going to lose the left-wing with all this neo-con lite crap. He's lost me, that's for sure. I'm sure he is calculating that even if he pisses off the left and Move-On and the "liberal" wing of the Democratic party, the vast majority of them will still vote for him because they won't vote for McCain and don't want to "throw away" their vote by voting third party. And he's probably right in that calculation. When it comes down to it, on November 4th, even some of you posting here who are mad as holy hell will, in the end, vote for Obama.
No matter. I refuse to be played with and fucked with and taken for granted. He's lost my vote.
Arianna...you say you have "progressive views". Not by my standards. You have consistently supported one of the 2 war Parties. That is not very progressive. That is borderline fascist. Progressives support McKinney and/or Nader. Your views are not even close.
I have always been a little untrusting of what Obama has meant by bipartisanship. If it is unprincipled compromise, we can't help but lose, at least, eventually, if not in November, because if people decide they want a Republican, they pick a real one.
Karita Hummer
Edwards Democrat. Loyalty should never be blind.
All of you Republicans posting here are truly pathetic. It's a clever trick posting on CD pretending to be all disillusioned. As for you fickle Democrats who think that by abandoning Obama, you will ever see ANY progressive policy come from McCain, you deserve him for President.
KingOftheCats none of us are for McCain. Our lament is that Obama is moving more toward McCain. Which is leaving many of us high and dry.
r jackowski, that really wasn't necessary, calling one of the few voices on the mainstream media who speaks up for progressives a "fascist." Now, please, you don't really believe that?
Anne Faith thanks for your remarks. I can't understand Obama's strategy. Did he think the left was only important in obtaining the nomination? But doesn't he know - this master political strategist - that if he ceases to be a Democrat, never mind a progressive Democrat, he might lose the election? That though many of us may not vote for McCain (I know I never would) we may decide to stay at home? Or vote Green? Or whatever?
I think that tactically pandering to the looney edges of the political spectrum (by that I mean the far Christian right - not evangelicals who believe in Christ's message of love rather than hounding gays, etc.) is a serious mistake on his part. He has really steamed many of us up and his progressive support will only take so much.
Why vote for McCain lite when the real thing appears on the same ballot, just an inch down or up?
I agree with those who say Obama was always center as are nearly all democrats. But as democrats go he was fairly progressive. Of course, this doesn't say very much. But he showed some promise of moving the Dems forward.
But I think Obama has taken a severe right-ward turn in recent weeks. If I believed in the things Obama has been standing for, I'd be a Republican and therefore wouldn't vote for Obama.
Obama once suggested he was for change. Now it seems he lied, unless he meant that he intended to bring the Democratic Party further to the right. Until he began pandering to the lunatic religious factions, I backed him. Now I cannot do so in good conscience. He played me for the fool. Now he can seek his votes elsewhere.
I'm no fan of the Huffington Post. I don't like the way they censor comments. However, that aside; Arianna is a right on the mark about Obama. His move to suck up to the Redneck red state people is pathetic. With his, "I always support Israel no matter what" and his centrist makeover, he's making it very hard for me to support him.