Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle Is for Losers
Last Friday afternoon, the guests taking part in Sunday's roundtable discussion on This Week had a pre-show call with George Stephanopoulos. One of the topics he raised was Obama's perceived move to the center, and what it means. Thus began my weekend obsession. If you were within shouting distance of me, odds are we talked about it. I talked about it over lunch with HuffPost's DC team, over dinner with friends, with the doorman at the hotel, and the driver on the way to the airport.
As part of this process, I looked at the Obama campaign not through the prism of my own progressive views and beliefs but through the prism of a cold-eyed campaign strategist who has no principles except winning. From that point of view, and taking nothing else into consideration, I can unequivocally say: the Obama campaign is making a very serious mistake. Tacking to the center is a losing strategy. And don't let the latest head-to-head poll numbers lull you the way they lulled Hillary Clinton in December.
Running to the middle in an attempt to attract undecided swing voters didn't work for Al Gore in 2000. It didn't work for John Kerry in 2004. And it didn't work when Mark Penn (obsessed with his "microtrends" and missing the megatrend) convinced Hillary Clinton to do it in 2008.
Fixating on -- and pandering to -- this fickle crowd is all about messaging tailored to avoid offending rather than to inspire and galvanize. And isn't galvanizing the electorate to demand fundamental change the raison d'etre of the Obama campaign in the first place? This is how David Axelrod put it at the end of February, contrasting the tired Washington model of "I'll do these things for you" with Obama's "Let's do these things together":
"This has been the premise of Barack's politics all his life, going back to his days as a community organizer," Axelrod told me. "He has really lived and breathed it, which is why it comes across so authentically. Of course, the time also has to be right for the man and the moment to come together. And, after all the country has been through over the last seven years, the times are definitely right for the message that the only way to get real change is to activate the American people to demand it."
Watering down that brand is the political equivalent of New Coke. Call it Obama Zero.
In 2004, the Kerry campaign's obsession with undecided voters -- voters so easily swayed that 46 percent of them found credible the Swift Boaters' charges that Kerry might have faked his war wounds to earn a Purple Heart -- allowed the race to devolve from a referendum on the future of the country into a petty squabble over whether Kerry had bled enough to warrant his medals.
Throughout the primary, Obama referred to himself as an "unlikely candidate." Which he certainly was -- and still is. And one of the things that turned him from "unlikely" upstart to presidential frontrunner is his ability to expand the electorate by convincing unlikely voters -- some of the 83 million eligible voters who didn't turn out in 2004 -- to engage in the system.
So why start playing to the political fence sitters -- staking out newly nuanced positions on FISA, gun control laws, expansion of the death penalty, and NAFTA?
In an interview with Nina Easton in Fortune Magazine, Obama was asked about having called NAFTA "a big mistake" and "devastating." Obama's reply: "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified."
Overheated? So when he was campaigning in the Midwest, many parts of which have been, yes, devastated by economic changes since the passage of NAFTA, and he pledged to make use of a six-month opt-out clause in the trade agreement, that was "overheated?" Or was that one "amplified?"
Because if that's the case, it would be helpful going forward if Obama would let us know which of his powerful rhetoric is "overheated" and/or "amplified," so voters will know not to get their hopes too high.
When Obama kneecaps his own rhetoric and dilutes his positioning as a different kind of politician, he is also giving his opponent a huge opening to reassert the McCain as Maverick brand. We know that McCain has completely abandoned any legitimate claim on his maverick image, but the echoes of that reputation are still very much with us -- especially among many in the media who would love nothing more than to be able to once again portray McCain as the real leader they fell in love with in 2000. And the new Straight Talk Express plane has been modeled on its namesake bus, decked out to better recreate the seduction.
The transition between the primaries and the general election -- and from insurgent to frontrunner -- is tricky. Even a confident campaign can be knocked off course. So this is when Obama most needs to remember what got him to this point -- and stick with it.
In a Los Angeles Times article detailing Obama's attempts at "shifting toward the center," Matt Bennett of the centrist think tank Third Way says that Obama is a "good politician. He's doing all he can to make sure people know he would govern as a post-partisan moderate."
But isn't being a "good politician" as it's meant here exactly what Obama defined himself as being against? Instead of Third Way think tankers, Obama should listen to this guy:
"What's stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics -- the ease with which we're distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our preference for scoring cheap political points instead of rolling up our sleeves and building a working consensus to tackle big problems.... The time for that politics is over. It's time to turn the page."
That was Barack Obama in February of 2007, announcing his run for the White House. "I know I haven't spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington," he said that day, "but I've been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change."
Was that just "overheated and amplified" rhetoric?
The Obama brand has always been about inspiration, a new kind of politics, the audacity of hope, and "change we can believe in." I like that brand. More importantly, voters -- especially unlikely voters -- like that brand.
Pulling it off the shelf and replacing it with a political product geared to pleasing America's vacillating swing voters -- the ones who will be most susceptible to the fear-mongering avalanche that has already begun -- would be a fatal blunder.
Realpolitik is one thing. Realstupidpolitik is quite another.
Arianna Huffington is the co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Huffington Post, a nationally syndicated columnist, and author of twelve books. She is also co-host of "Left, Right & Center," public radio's popular political roundtable program.
Copyright © 2008 HuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
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Show AllLOL! I said, let me see if KEM read my last reply.
Don't give up on this site, fella. We need you. You know me KEM, I don't make any bones about my political philosophy, but true democracy is a compromise of differing opinions working toward a common ground that most, if not all parties involved can live with.
Naw, the Obama and Hillary fight hasn't ruined this site. Think back buddy, when us die-hard Kucinich supporters and you die-hard Edwards supporters were going round and round. As soon as DK dropped out of the race, all was well between the CDer's until new lines were drawn in the sand between the Obama and Clinton camps. I still say, KEM, the corporatist/capitalist class, the over-aged macho-men in the Pentagon, Ruppert Murdoch, and Allan Greenspan (the real president$$$) promoted Hillary and Obama all along and effectively marginalized Kucinich, Edwards, and Gravel from the get go, in MSM. (out of sight, out of mine).
That two mile away corral from the Demo Convention troubles me. That is not what the Founders had in mind in the Right to Assemble. Police departments throughout the country have more "robo-cop" gear than ever before. To be used on whom? We are seeing our nation that both of us put our lives on the line for, become the Fourth Reich. Remember how Hitler started bullying the "master race" people around using the SA? Then later the SS?
I respect your integrity and judgment, but the Dems can only cry wolf for so long. You have to call them on their voting record, eventually.
One favor. If you read this post, just say, "I got it" or something. What else can we say on this issue?
Whew, glad you came back here. Yeah, the good ones seem to get buried fast. And if they are a Friday's article, they totally disappear on Monday.
The Obama and Hillary fight has about ruined this site as I see it. If Obama don't watch out, he may not be the nominee come August and the Demo convention. Oh-Oh, riots on the horizon?
KEM,
My mistake. You had me wondering for awhile about what I did or said that was wrong.
At least this article stayed on board for a week before it is archived.
Me a super person? Only with the men. With the women...?
Anyway, KEM, I think we're all on under pressure until the November election is over and the results are in. My main goal from now until then is to help Cindy defeat traitor Nancy in San Francisco. And for progressive and honest people in any political party to replace Republicans with liberal Democrats, Greens, Socialists in all 50 states. IKE was the last decent Republican.
My girlfriend and I were watching C-Span 2, BookTV, (on the weekends) before, and Brian Lamb was interviewing the biographer, Doris Kearns Goodwin, and her newest book about FDR, Eleanor and their family and friends. Doris has an incredible mind and a beautiful soul-her face displays it!-and when you think back on how great Franklin D. Roosevelt was for our country and indirectly, the world, and the degeneration and decline of this country since then, you almost want to cry. Too many people still don't care, KEM. I don't understand it.
I try to be fair, but I have my biases like most folks. And I admire your courage and convictions and the way you take people to task and take the time to illustrate various points. Jeez...I remember the free for all you and a few others had on global warming, about five months ago, but I think we had the most fun with the clothesline article in January (?) of this year. The comments went in all sorts of directions, including my own posts on it.
Again, thanks for revisiting this and clearing the air. My best wishes for " the next 52. "
No no ~Peaceman~, that smart ass remark, "are we friends now" was for Pissant. I was joking with him, ___ in a vulgar way.
You're a super person and I admire your fair minded manners.
Some of my best friends are registered as Independents and a friend of mine is a registered Republican. The rest are Greens or Dems and I'm the only democratic anarchist in the bunch, an anomolie to family and friends alike. To each his or her own. If Pissant has to stand at the far side of the room and you at the other side, and the rest of us in the middle...suits me fine, because when the real battle begins, we're gonna need each others support, and you and Pissant will unite. Won't be the first time it happened.
"How's that, we friends now?"
I never thought we weren't friends, or maybe I need to go back to school and take communications 101 and express myself more clearly.
The trouble is not on CD but rather in DC.
I'm an independent however, once was a registered Republican for a brief time, until I saw what they really were all about.
Yes I agree we need to stand together, but fucking ~Pissant~ can stand at the far side of the room I'm at.
How's that, we friends now?
My 2 ¢
Put mine in with _ P E A C E M A N ' s _
It's not about the differences between our lives,
It's about the sameness within ourselves
There's more the same within us, than without us
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
It's time for the Peaceman to intervene. As a committed pacifist and democratic anarchist and occasional blogger on CD, I've seen much in the way of hard feelings between concerned citizens and some really negative exchange of words. The inflammatory remarks between KEM and PissantNobody sort of went out of bounds in my never humble opinion. Both of you gents, and I know KEM much longer, Pissant, so there maybe a bias there, but not enough to muddle my thinking. KEM and I have gracefully locked horns over the Democratic candidates last year and in the early part of this year, but ALWAYS respectful of one another and our difference of opinion. I'm Green Party but most of my life I was a staunch Democrat but left in disgust because of the Dem collaboration with the Republican Crime Family and the Bush/Cheney agenda. Granted, the Democrats are a sorry lot and have more excuses that are "inexcusable" yet, they are STILL better than the Republicans at every level.
Whether a Democrat like KEM, a socialist like PissantNobody, or an Emma Goldman type anarchist like me, what are we going to do TOGETHER, as PROGRESSIVES to take back our country and restore it to the way it was before the 2000 election and certainly during this criminal administration. HUH?
"United we stand, divided we fall" is as true today as it was back then and will be in the future as well.
KEM is correct about Kucinich, John Edwards, Cindy Sheehan and some other Democrats as being fine people, PissantNobody. I would have to debate you on that issue but I didn't take the time to write about it. We need solutions and act upon them for achievable results. We all want results otherwise we wouldn't be on CD venting our anger and frustrations.
Had to add my one cent to this discussion.
It's time for the Peaceman to intervene. As a committed pacifist and democratic anarchist and occasional blogger on CD, I've seen much in the way of hard feelings between concerned citizens and some really negative exchange of words. The inflammatory remarks between KEM and PissantNobody sort of went out of bounds in my never humble opinion. Both of you gents, and I know KEM much longer, Pissant, so there maybe a bias there, but not enough to muddle my thinking. KEM and I have gracefully locked horns over the Democratic candidates last year and in the early part of this year, but ALWAYS respectful of one another and our difference of opinion. I'm Green Party but most of my life I was a staunch Democrat but left in disgust because of the Dem collaboration with the Republican Crime Family and the Bush/Cheney agenda. Granted, the Democrats are a sorry lot and have more excuses that are "inexcusable" yet, they are STILL better than the Republicans at every level.
Whether a Democrat like KEM, a socialist like PissantNobody, or an Emma Goldman type anarchist like me, what are we going to do TOGETHER, as PROGRESSIVES to take back our country and restore it to the way it was before the 2000 election and certainly during this criminal administration. HUH?
"United we stand, divided we fall" is as true today as it was back then and will be in the future as well.
KEM:
Oh, and thank you for the "POLEMICAL" word lesson. I looked it up in my dictionary. It's been many years since I was in college or taught college courses and It's a word I'd never needed to use. I understand now that you state you're an argumentative person and intend to argue with me in the future, as I'll be "open season" for your arguments.
Don't bother, you will be wasting your time. Just blast your childish and crazy arguments and attacks on all of the thousands of others here at this site besides myself, who believe Kucinich, John Edwards, Cindy Sheehan and some other Democrats are fine people.
I never said you were violent, I say you are an Assumer, are crazy and a liar. ___ Your outright LIE was not a correction, that is another lie. You are in denial of your wrongs. You stated that you had previously written the word "IF". ___ You had not, you lied. ___ You just attacked me personally in your first reply to me and for no reason.
Where did I threaten you with anything? I told you to not threaten me again. That is not a threat against you, it is a fair request.
Finally, you wrote that you wished to know where I stood on issues and perhaps we had some common grounds. We do not BTW. So I told you to check out my prior posts if you were interested and now you say you don't care to do so, which is fine with me you paranoid nutcase.
You started this bizzaire conversation with your first post to me and I had never attacked or insulted you. I only asked you a fair question. Any who care to go back and read this bullshit you started can see that is so.
You are crazy. Seek help before it's too late. Perhaps you were a sexually abused child, or have been kicked in the head by a horse? Just ignore me from now on and I will grant you that same favor.
Let anyone who is interested look at our posts, and you will always come out looking slippery and disingenuous - because you are. My "lie" was a correction, going from an understandable misunderstanding that you support Obama to indicating that IF you support the Democrats (which you ultimately admit to) - be it Obama or Edwards or Kucinich or Clinton - you are supporting a party of imperialist conquest.
Again, in your latest rant, you try to make me out as the violent one, when it is clearly you who is seething with violence. I said it was POLEMICAL open season on you. I don't expect that you will understand a four syllable word, but it means that I am going to attack your dangerous pro-Democrat position, not your person.
The Republican and Democratic party are both disdainful. The reason I focus on the Democrats is because, like you, they are imperialist wolves in progressive sheep's clothing. At least the Republicans are clear in their hatred of social justice, whereas the phony Democrats perenially draw off many good-hearted leftists, and turn them into part of the problem, like you are.
You are insane ~Pissant~. ___ Seek professional help.
The only one of us who threatened was you who threatened me, saying, "I'm open season". And for what reason? You lied here and refuse it acknowledge it, you attacked me for asking you a fair question. You made stupid assumptions and still are doing so. I asked the same question of Tailcap and he replied without being rude.
Rail on about your love of communism and always explain in a progressive manner which communistic country you favor the most. ___ You are a pitiful creature.
You are a reactionary, KEM PATRICK, who seems to enjoy making violent sounding (but impotent) threats. I will waste no more time trying to win you over, nor reading your thousands of existing ignorant posts, and will instead go for your clogged intellectual jugular at my leisure. Note that my threats are not against your person, but against your feeble and dangerous thought process. Your violent tone speaks volumes about who you really are, and why all progressives should move away from you as quickly as possible.
In pathetic desperation, you try to label me as pro-Republican, though you know better. How sad! You probably used to be an honest peerson. I wonder what happened. Your cynicism, which I will continue to expose without mercy, is profound. I can only imagine that perhaps you worked with Stalinist/Maoists to gain such a twisted, threatening perspective.
Pointing to the documents of the 18th century as the way forward confirms that you are a mental and moral midget. I also read Animal Farm in fifth grade, but you apparently stopped reading at that point, or you might have realized that the reason you were even allowed to read it is because it was/is anti-communist propaganda. Your arguements attempt to substitute bravado for content, but I am not intimidated. Honestly, I would not waste my breath on your kind, except for the slim chance that some innocent readers might be drawn into your back-handed support for the institutions of imperialism.
The formula remains the same, and will never be penetrated by KEM and his grunting fellow travelers: Build the party of world communist revolution!
P E A C E M A N,
Yes, what you mention is scripted or pre-programed filtering for certain words, which is rather tame compared to the other types and approaches to occluding those we wish to read.
I must add that I really don't know what is going on, and have a predilection to guess and try to put diverse pieces together into a 'bigger picture' view.
Namaste « Presence »
KEM and the others, on my post above this, I typed in the words, "Gen...Str..." and submitted the the comment and got the "Word Press" thing saying it was a duplicate message and wouldn't print it. I deleted those two words, submitting the above post and it took. Something is going on with "big brother."
KEM PATRICK, JCLIENTELLE, VERACITY, and others,
There have been too many deletions, name/password foul-ups, and "your comments are awaiting moderation" on CD for quite some time. Could there be an automatic word-censoring device installed in Common Dreams comments section software as some have suggested? I'll use the two words that censored mine and other bloggers posts, in the past and see if this goes through.
P A C P L Y E R,
D R E A M E R T O O
N A H I D A
… too many
And the neoCONster's glib gibes are clues ( to me ), as they relish rubbing one's nose in their power over us:
__ oh look they've erased his emails again
__ it's happened to me, too
__ I'm going to look into this myself now
It's a form of torture, one knows that they are doing it - and that they like it ( we don't -- duh ! ). One can sense the sycophant PSYOPS current running through some postings: vomitous vacuous darkness.
They want us TO KNOW, and others to know too, and share in the vicarious pain --
__ because they're justifiably afraid
__ of the power of a single free mind
-- even worse when two or more synchronize their harmonic convergences ( and resonant sympathetically / simpatico ).
I believe that some of the brightest are advising them, to be cautious as they stalk us through intimidation and hacking access to CD with denial of services, etc ….
I might have been one of them too, in a parallel universe, if not so deeply influenced by my Dad's choices during WW II. I feel them, and they know they cannot hide from me.
Namaste « Presence »
Hi~Jclientelle~. I know because it has happened to me, twice. I was given a new pasword and was able to get back on, but at least once a week I am blocked by Word Press and have a lot of trouble logging in.
It has happened to Kathyodat three tiems and she finally just quit blogging here in disgust. I have an E-mail from her today about it. It has happened to Namaste and Peaceman who are still blogging comments after finally getting back on. (See above posts by them.) Others can not get on to comment. What has happened to Wishful Thinker, Rotation 888, Chucksan, Bligh 2, Ginger, Zounds, The Wondering You, etc, etc. Many have beeen obliterated after this Word Press arrived.
I share E-mails with five other CD bloggers, only two are still active here but they don't blog often anymore because so often now their posts are first moderated and then deleted. And they are neither vulgar nor write anything that is offensive. ___ I sometimes do.
Why is this occurring? I dunno. I'm certain that it has something to do with the "Word Press" feature. The CD Webmaster replied to my E-mail when I was first banned and said CD doesn't ban anyone and gave me a new password.
Kem Patrick says: "Kathy had to change her name three times and Namaste at least five times in the past three weeks. He only lasts a day with a new name. Kathy gave up in disgust and Rebel Farmer has also except for a very occasional blog. Same with Paul Smith and many others are gonnnne. The Wondering You, Geoff, Locust, Linda Kroll, Mass 1946 or Maryanne, at least fifty others I can name off the top of my head."
How do you all know this? Do you know why or how this takes place?
K E M,
I wish more of the "old vanguard" hadn't given up.
I've resorted to anonymous proxy servers, to avoid being unable to post -- while still having the same IP address.
I use one browser to read, and another to post ( and my spelling hasn't really gotten worse, just my ability to correct mistakes has worsened through a lot of delays -- ping-ponged IP referrals bounce around )
I suspect most have given up in resignation, with so many obstacles to posting opinions now, which is clearly ( to me ) a method to "Obamanize" CD ( i.e. shift to the right ).
I still believe we have two levels of cen_sorship:
__ editors who monitor content and copy©write
__ SCION_ists who hackingly punish those who oppose ( you know who ).
Woody Allen used to say "he didn't want to be a member of a group that wanted him", while CD imposes the opposite, by making clear they don't want many as members.
For me, that perception ( be it real, or not ) just pushes the obduracy button to diamond_in_the_rough mode.
Our larger struggle, for the Earth and peaceful existence, is an orchestration of humanity building a consensus - that really does
__ n e e d _ every _ v o i c e
__ uplifted and empowered.
Let us PERSEVERE & REVERE
Namaste « Presence »
BTW, and in addition ~PISSANT~, don't threaten me that I'm "OPEN SEASON" because I'm not a communist supporter. Don't threaten me for any reason. I have only seen about five other bloggers on this forum who rallied for communism. This is a site for progressives and for any who have a decent lick of common sense.
And, since you only choose to rail against Democrats, I have a strong suspicion you're a Republican shill and a person who wishes to create friction here. Go "rape" yourself.
I never said you hated me ~PISSANT~, and I don't care if you do or don't. You had been attacking ALL Democrats and I asked you what about the Republicans. So you attackemd me, wrote some shitty crap about me and assumed I was an Obama supporter and you are an "assumer". I replied to your un-warranted attack.
You then lied about what you wrote about me. LOL, it's still there for any who give a shit, to read what you originally wrote about me, you self centered knitwit. Knock off the silly and childish bullshit.
No, I don't support communism. I believe the book "Animal Farm" was appropriate about that subject and I first read that book at the age of ten. Communism is idealistic and the rulers or the controllers rule with iron fists. Stalin was a psycopathic killer. I do admire Fidel Castro for what he accomplished, but I don't agree with his choice of government.
What I prefer and support, is what our forefathers attempted to establish here in the United States of American in the 1776 years. So far, no form of govenrment is perfect and what we still had here seven years ago, ~Bush~ ran further into the ditch. He has ruined this nation, with the help of ~Pelosi~ I may add.
Now as to what you wish to know about me? I could care less what you care or think about in that regard. I also don't care if you're a communist or a nut case. You want to check me out? Just go to the archives here and type in KEM PATRICK and there are over 2,000 comments I've posted here. Have yourself a ball.
I'm anything but ambigious ~ASSUMER~. How and where I stand on issues is almost always strongly put. I also am a registered independant, not that it's any of your business. ___ Don't bother me again and don't start any shit with me again. Read that three times so that you may understand it.
Hi ~NAMASTE~, glad to see you are still here. Lots of other good ones are not anymore. ___ You noticed?
Howdy ____ K E M ____
I'm still around, just changing my login & screen name every week or so, as needed.
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Right on, Ariana! Obama got where he is today by standing for change, bold steps forward, and rebirthing our great nation. These timid moves to the center put him right smack in the middle of the lackluster and tepid politics as usual. He has already lost some of his most enthusiastic progressives, and the excitement is fading from his campaign. If he stuck with his passions of last winter he would have won by a landslide. Now, if he wins at all, it will be by a nose.
C'mon, KEM PATRICK! I don't hate you, and I am sure we have much in common. I was only slamming the vile Democrats and nudging their misled supporters through your rather agnostic posting. I think if you really think about it, you will have to admit that your position is ambiguous. It sounded to me like you were giving back-handed support to Obama, so I let loose on you.
What I don't understand is what exactly you DO support. Tell me where you have posted that, and maybe we will have something definite to argue about, or agree upon. Looking at a few of your inummerable posts, it is clear that you do not support communism - or did I get that wrong, too? To me, if you do not support communism, it is polemical open season on you, because you are not a real friend of the worker, despite your labor credentials.
When I logged on this morning I was blocked by Word Press. After deleting all cookies, clearing the history and deleting the files, then re-booting, I was able to log on.
Something's going on. I just tried to log on to CD with the new browser and it wouldn't take, so I used the other one instead and logged in right away. KEM, you know I admire your humor, (I'm laughing about the Russian sub) but this computer stuff is serious. I gotta get ready to march with the Green Party in the parade downtown. Later.
Kathy had to change her name three times and Namaste at least five times in the past three weeks. He only lasts a day with a new name. Kathy gave up in disgust and Rebel Farmer has also except for a very occasional blog. Same with Paul Smith and many others are gonnnne. The Wondering You, Geoff, Locust, Linda Kroll, Mass 1946 or Maryanne, at least fifty others I can name off the top of my head. It's a shame.
I think we'd better try to purchase one of those abandoned Russian subs and hide out instead of the Med.
KEM PATRICK: I can't top you there. Age comes first.
Since I changed browsers, I haven't had trouble with the~Word Press~thing or "your comments are awaiting moderation."
Namaste may have changed names again or perhaps is taking a breather. Who knows anymore?
Watch Obama on the FISA Bill as well. Tell COCO to get the boat ready for our Mediterranean Cruise.
I was half nuts before you were born Peaceman, I was a breech and the Dr. pulled me out by one nut. __ Pop! The first words I ever heard spoken were, "Oh shit". It was a breath taking experience.
I'll say you sent your regards, and I see ~Namaste~ is missing again, the ~Word Press~ feature is no good. Lots of good bloggers are gone now.
Hey there ~TAILCAP~ you ain't no prick. Pricks don't know they are and would never admit it if asked or charged. ___ You're Okay. BTW, I see Obama missed the vote for Bush's new war funding bill. Obama was in DC too. ___ Imagine that.
KEM PATRICK: Just got home, checked a few things and turned this on. Thanks for the update. Glad all is well. I'm better off playing 'The Lone Ranger' but I agree, there are too many important articles not to leave on the board and a plethora of them is overwhelming. I took a 25 day hiatus from CD.
Stay well and calm. Don't wind up half-nuts like me! Send my regards to all.
Wow! I am awed by the quality and passion of the comments. I am equally passionate right now about a couple of books I've been reading by George Lakoff - Thinking Points and The Political Mind. I want everyone out there to read him. As a cognitive scientist and linguist, he uses brain research of the last 30 years to show why the movement conservative group has been so successful, and why liberals (he likes the term progressives) have been cast as elitist wimps. Obama has made the classic and fatal "neoliberal" mistake - moving towards the "center," which, as at least one of you said, does not exist. The concept of left and right is bifurcation and therefore false.
atheist July 3rd, 2008 4:50 pm
Thanks atheist, I am a teacher so I have all summer off. I volunteered to help the Green Party. I haven't heard from them. I am going to contact them again, on the phone if necessary. The goal should be to increase the Green vote by a few percentage points each election until we are viable. Those are my thoughts.
What do yo think atheist?
Right on, tailcap. Btw, I totally agree with your earlier post (to me) regarding Obama being the chosen one long ago for a variety of characteristics ... unfortunately none which actually qualify him to be a good President ! The entire process (the Dem primary season, at least) is indeed a charade. It would explain why the PTB so quickly, and then so frequently, declared Clinton a loser. They must have been sweating hard ! Their marketing plan almost blew up in their faces ! Their product was almost beat by a non PTB-sponsored product !
What are you going to do in November ?
I see the latest trick by the DemocRATS, supporting FISA and giving immunity to law breakers is okay. Be mad at the Telecoms. Be mad at the bank robbers, not the crooked cops that let them get away. Good thinking!
BLOODY SHIRTS
Your friend needs a shirt. The Big Shirt Store at the mall offers two and only two types of dress shirts. A white shirt and a black one. The white shirt is made in China and the workmanship is shoddy. It has loose threads and all the seams are crooked and most of the buttons are loose and some are actually falling off.
The black shirt is made in Indochina and is SLIGHTLY better. Some of its seams are not crooked but almost half are. Some of its buttons are loose and and one is falling off. Both shirts are of inferior quality but the Black one is slightly better. Both are expensive and are bought "as is" with no refunds or returns.
Conclusion: I must buy the Black shirt because it's better than the white shirt and I only have two choices. The shirt must be purchased at the Big Shirt store at the mall. - WHY?
- WRONG!
You tell your friend: If you were to bother to shop at a smaller store down the street you'd see they are offering well made shirts at an affordable price. The workers that made those shirts don't work in sweat shops and these shirts are a much better deal all around. You also inform your friend that by not buying from the little guy they may just go out of business. You also mention that if we all start shopping at the Little Shirt Store they will be able to expand and start competing with the Big Shirt guys.
Next day, much to your dismay you run into your friend wearing a black shirt. He's busy, hunched and bent over on the ground, trying to find a button that just fell off his new shirt as a seam in the back starts to rip. You look down on him and say, "I told you so!"
Your friend, not getting it replies, "It's ok, I'll take it home to my wife who can sew the button back on and repair the ripped seam. It's still better than the white shirt."
You scratch your head, look down, and say, "Good luck" as you walk off.
All of your petty differences won't amount to a hill of beans if McCain gets elected. Progressives have it harder than Conservatives because we have so many factions.
Once the evangelicals join forces to back McCain, Obama will be in trouble because un-realistic, childish and petty Libs would rather feel all offended and disillusioned than back him against the very people who got this nation into the mess it's in in the first place and THEY, my friends, have a much uglier future in store for you.
Obama backed this version of FISA because most of it is needed to fight a very real threat to this nation and it was about to sunset (expire).
The main reason people are afraid of FISA in the first place is because of the way Bush abused that bill due to his insane "unitary executive" philosophy.
Though the flaws in the bill ARE egregious to be sure, The merits out-weigh the flaws, but most of you would rather accept that Obama has abandoned his priciples rather than accept the FACT that bi-partisan legislation of the kind that make for great speeches will quite often make people angry when put into actual practice.
Like or not, the CENTER is where most Americans reside politically.
If you really feel the need to punish someone, punish the telecom companies that gave your butts up to Bush without a fight. Boycott THOSE guys instead. Let's show them that the invisible hand of the market is really a Liberal fist in the face of tyranny!
But for America's sake, don't hand this election to McCain and his fundamentalist/militaristic jackboots waiting in the wings.
KEM PATRICK July 3rd, 2008 3:07 pm
The evidence is that she never recanted her vote for the war for starters, continued funding it and the fact she just voted to fund it till 2009. Basically what I am going on is her record which is probably a more reliable indicator than KEM PATRICKS wishful thinking.
-Both, I'm probably both a speedy reader and a smart ass prick, thank you KEM for clarifying that.
-Are Republicans okay? -Republicans are the scum of the Earth, just below the enabling DemocRATS.
-Lastly, about Hilly vs. Obama: You can state your opinion that Hilly is more "progressive" than Obama all you want, I don't engage in that argument because it isn't really saying much.
What evidence do I have Hillary would have pulled the troops out of Iraq ~TAILCAP~? ___ None. That is MY opinion that she MAY have done as she says she would do, ___ if elected.
What evidence do you have she would not have?
You posted only a portion of what I wrote. I also wrote, "she may not have done the right things, but for sure Obama and McCain won't." Did you miss that sentence ~Tailcap~ or do you just like too attempt to show others are ignorant or stupid? ___ How come you missed that sentence, you a speedy reader or a smart ass prick? Just akin, not accusing.
I do believe both McCain and Obama have also voted continiously to fund the occupation of Iraq BTW. ___ Good Grief.
I see both you and our new mouthy ASSUMER ~PISSANT~ are both on the Democrats case and I don't argue that MOST elected Demos who are currently in DC are a bunch of spineless shitheads. But what about the Republicans ~Tailcap~, you thnnk they're Okay?
As I asked the ~Pissant~ that same question, and he/she assumed from that fair question that I was an Obama supporter, which is not only an assumption, it's a stupid assumption. Then Pissant attacked me and later denied what he wrote about me. He/She's a piss-ant alright.
We all have opinions. We ended up with two lesser choices in the Demo group, ___Obama or Hillary.___ I didn't favor either, but in my opinion, ___(based entirely upon their voting records as U.S. Senators),___ Hillary was a better choice and I could care less if any here don't like it that I express that opinion. I've carefully studied their voting records and Hillary is far more Progressive than Obama is. ___ Far more. You can think and say what you please.
KEM PATRICK July 3rd, 2008 11:51 am
"I believe that Hillary was the only front runner who would have pulled our troops out of Iraq..."
And what evidence do you have for that? She was going to do the same thing Obama is going to do, same thing any DemocRAT that their party would allow to become the candidate would do: keep many, many 10's of thousands of troops, if not more in Iraq to guard the embassy, green zone and the many bases, and of course, the precious oil, which is why we're there. I mean come on KEM, she just voted to fund the war through 2009.
Here comes gymnastically acrobatic mental contortions to explain why she voted for the war while being against. Good grief.
cyon July 3rd, 2008 11:40 am
Evidence? Well, for starters:
1) Claims be against the war but votes to fund it. Is he for or against it?
2) Claimed he would fillibuster the FISA amendment and supported it. Is he for it or against it?
Obama gave a speech on Father's Day where basically he admonishes Black dads for being dead beat dads. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps. What has he said about institutional racism? Nothin. What has he said about the unjust and racially biased criminal "justice"? Nuthin. What is he championing that would better his people? Nuthin. What is he doing? Riding around the country, flag-draped and lapel pinned on a patriotic tour while he simultaneously supports the destruction of the very freedoms he purports to support.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/obam-j02.shtml
Obama's speech, ostensibly a reflection upon patriotism and "American values" in the run-up to July 4th, was a thoroughly reactionary address, in which words were carefully chosen to identify with themes generally associated with the Republican right and, at key points, to deliver a kick in the teeth to sections of left-liberal Democrats who have deluded themselves and sought to generate illusions in others about the real political character of his campaign.
How does that help his people?
Some suggest what we'll be facing eight years down the road if either McCain or Obama are the next president. Here is what I suggest we will be facing if our next president doesn't immediately pull our troops, including Blackwater out of Iraq, and desert that fucking Green zone embassy.
Gasoline and other fuel costs will at least double, we will have a depression, China and Japan will cash in their bonds and demand that our government pay up, the dollar will be worthless. America wil stand alone, yet will still have the means to use their thousands of atonmic weapons and therefore will be safe for some time from any major invasions.
We'll have millions of armed people pouring across the southern border however, offering to "purchase" the land we "purchased" from them many years ago, California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and portions of Nevada. It is not going to be a forth of July picnic celebration.
The president, whomever it may be, will have to declare martial law as ciites begin to burn and riots erupt across the country, the president will enfore presidential directive #51. Food, transportation and medical care will only be avaliable to the elite, the elected, the military and police forces. The internet will be shut down, our only news will be managed by Pentagon personnel. America will then be a fascist state run by a dictator.
I believe that Hillary was the only front runner who would have pulled our troops out of Iraq, prevented a depression and the only one who would have initiated a totally clean energy progam, created millions of good paying jobs and over time eleminated the use of coal fired and atomic power plants. She may not have done the right things, but she may have. For sure, Obama and or McCain won't do anything right.
Finally, as the mayhem continues here in the United States, global warming will continue to become far worse, until the methane erupts from the Arctic and then the Ocean's and fills the atmosphere with poisonous gas.
That's what I see happening during the next four to eight years and it is already well on the way to happen. Anyone can see it, we just don't wish to believe it. So when a "God" suddenly appears and tells us he's gonna CHANGE everything, many flock to him with their hearts and minds filled with hope. They don't want to believe this new "Saviour" is just another political animal, who lusts for money and power.
tailcap July 2nd, 2008 5:29 pm
Yes, it does clear it up. But what evidence do you have that it's self abasement rather than genuine belief on the part of the "Oreo's" you've named. Do all black men have to subscribe to your leftwing ideology to be genuine?
Hi ~Peaceman~ and ~Galen~. Kathy and I write to one another via E-Mail and she's fine. She's just fed up with CD's "Word Press" feature, as she's been blocked numerous times by that screwed up feature and had to change her password name three tines to get on here and then was often moderated and her comments erased. That's happened to many here and many are no longer posting comments at C/D. She also doesn't like the daily addition of ten to twelve plus articles, where-by very important subject articles end up in the trash can in a day or two. Myself, Paul M Smith, Rebel Farmer and others agree totally wth that.
~PISSANT~ as I stated you're an "assumer", and you obvioulsy have a reading comp problem. You can't even either remember, or else understand what you have previously writtten. You don't understand my anger towards you? Read what you wrote about me and then later denied you wrote it, you idiot.
BTW, I also am for workers rights and was once a Shop Steward with the Teamsters Union for eight years.
tailcap: Yes indeed, COMarc was very solid. and dougwagner and I always liked the thoughful Paul Bramscher. Everyone has their reasons.
crips: I'm with you!
Assume that some presidential candidate had honest and definite intentions to break into a de facto oligarchy that was still formally but only barely democratic, in order to restore governing power to day to day people.
Beware the while, that I don't mindlessly believe Obama is such a (presumptive) candidate.
But I ask myself: how would such a innerly well intentioned candidate ever gain presidential power in the present situation of oligarchial America -- official power from within which he or she might then articulate and give rise to a new people's revolution, ultimately led by the people themselves?
Please don't tell me the hypnotized American sheeple, at this point, are capable of doing this from the grass roots, themselves. Maintaining such a belief is not idealism. It is a medical delusion.
So, then: How would such a candidate gain power? By talking radically to the mass of voters, like George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy did, about dethroning the inside power pigs who controled the government and the mass media, during their times? Thereby committing political Sepuku, as they did, in hopes of creating a future mass Eureka moment?
As a teenager, I passionately worked for these candidates, and later I saw that a mass Eureka moment never became the delayed outcome of either the McCarthy or McGovern candidacy. Fascism's outer war arrogance seemed to be blunted maybe, but the invisible goverment only dug-in deeper and more craftily.
I admit that, in 1860 and again in 1864, on the issues of human rights (slavery) and the preservation of the Union, a transformation for the Good was arguably the outcome of Lincoln's calculated election candor, though the blood spilled just to win these formal arguments was appalling.
Some people will say: What an absurd comparison; this is not ante bellum America, and Obama is clearly no Lincoln-type in any case.
And I would agree: Despite his calculated rhetorical hints, Obama seems no where near Lincoln's depth.
In 1860 and early 1864, though, even the people who voted for Lincoln both times, didn't suspect that the electioneering Lincoln was anywhere near what he would become in his second term as president.
None of this can be a logical argument for voting for Obama over Nader.
But given Nader's disastrous campaign skills, and his consequent lack of widespread voter support, it might explain to the depest of progressive cynics why some of us less deep progressive cynics intend to vote for Obama.
Can I second peaceman on his right to vote his conscience?
I'm sick of the Demo-rats acting like they own union, working class and "minority" (non-white) voters while sucking up to George Bush's base.
PissantNobody July 2nd, 2008 9:36 pm
"...or they are a safety valve for uneducated left-leaners."
I've wondered why Dennis is a Democrat myself. I was told it because he is chairman of the Domestic Policy Subcommittee of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and doesn't want to lose his influence. But you gotta ask yourself, "What influence?"
peaceman July 2nd, 2008 9:56 pm
"I miss kathyodat as well."
I wonder what happened to COMarc. He was very solid. And whatever became of dougnwagner? I miss his retread mechanical re-posts about the bundlers.
I propose that our lives would all be exactly the same in 8-10 years regardless of who wins this presidency.
So, it's possible that our voting strategy, as progressives or self-proclaimed progressives, should perhaps vary by region in order to be effective over the long term, rather than be influenced by litmus tests that are themselves part of the MSM encryption.
ANNE FAITH: Thanks for the compliment. Sorry to hear about Thomas More's experience. They were not the norm, but exaggerated by the right-wing to get public sympathy for the death and destruction we unleashed on the Vietnamese people who did nothing to us. (I'm guilty for taking part in that crime against humanity.)
Anne, I called a radio show the other day and said there is no way I would vote for Obama. I said it would either be McKinney, Nader, or Gravel, the three most honest people running for president, and I got the usual blast about McCain, etc. You know, throwing my vote away. I said I vote for who I think is the best person to represent the largest percentage of people and I'll be happy with any of the three I mentioned.
Good question. I miss kathyodat as well. Hope everything is alright.
KEM PATRICK - I don't see why you are so angry. How is one to interpret your 11:24 pm post except as support for Obama? Whatever you do support, it certainly is not well stated. Even if my polemic does not apply to you, it does make the correct point that those who support Obama are inherently supporters of the deceiver Democrats. Indeed, they are not at all 'sorry ass', but doing pretty much exactly what they are supposed to be doing, as Vidal's other right wing of the American eagle. While Cindy, Dennis, and John may be in that party, it is to their discredit. After the way they have treated her, it really hurts to see Cindy continue to give that ugly party any support or credibility, whatsoever. Neither have I heard Dennis or John call for the end of patriotism, or anything like a socialist world. They either amazingly believe that capitalism can really be reformed, or they are a safety valve for uneducated left-leaners.
Thomas More - I would love to hear why you do not agree with me. My consistancy comes from a Marxist class perspective and an understannding of what happened in 1917. It is like the question of what water is made of. No matter how many people obfuscate, rant, decieve or even physically attack, I will always know that water is two hydrogens and an oxygen, and will say it over and over, if that is what is needed to sweep the charlatans aside.
tailcap July 2nd, 2008 4:16 pm
"I think the PTB (powers that be) settled on Obama four years ago when he gave his speech at the convention that propelled him into his "rock star" status."
tailcap,
As Obama continues to move closer to "center-right", I believe your perceptions and beliefs are closer to "accurate" than not. Most likely, the PTB have been grooming him for many years prior to placing him on that podium for the entire world to hear and see.
I knew within the first five minutes of his speech that he would be running for president - but I didn't expect it would be this soon!
Hi PEACEMAN. Thank you for your post -- the entire post. Glad to hear you were welcomed home with open arms (and legs, LOL). Unfortunately, Thomas More, a fellow poster here on CD, didn't have such a good experience upon his return home. And KEM, we don't want you going anywhere; this place would be no fun without you. (BTW, I miss Kathyodat. Anyone know why she doesn't post here anymore?)
CRIPES: I guess who I vote for will depend on who's on the ballot in Florida - McKinney? Nader? Anyone have thoughts on which one of them I should vote for? Any chance of them doing a joint ticket?
Third party time people.
And time to push for proportional representation in voting.
This winner takes all corrupt system only perpetuates the dominance of the corporate duopoly party. I really don't care at this point if it's Nader, Gravel, Ron Paul, Kucinich, McKinney as long as it gets traction, and people begin to beleive their votes COUNT.
Wow! I have to start reading the CD articles again and comments. I only have time to address two posters.
RichM: Per your inquiry about Vietnam era vets being spat upon, I know of none. I returned to the states in 1967, arriving at Oakland Army Base, California, and several GI's and I took a taxi to San Francisco airport for civilian flights to our various destinations. Four of us went into the airport bar for cold beer. Myself and another fellow were buck sergeants and the other two guys were Spec 4's. The cocktail waitress greeted us like returning vets from WW2 and took our orders. She asked the two speedy 4's for their ID, and both were under 21...one was 20 and the other 19...and said she couldn't serve them beer. They settled for coke. Myself and the other sergeant were drinking Michelob and one of the cola drinkers asked me how old I was, and I said "20." He said, I wonder why she didn't ask you guys for ID, and I looked at the stripes on my arm and said, "rank has it's privileges," in a joking fashion. Flying back to New Jersey where I grew up, people were treating me like I was Audie Murphy. Girls in the neighborhood were making advances...it was unbelievable. Anyway, I was in the Army for 8 years and had never met one service member who was ever spat on or knew anyone that was.
Anne Faith: Don't feel bad, my dear. Think back to the famous quote that our "fearless" coward-in-chief mangled early on in his Democratic Party-inspired presidency: "Fool me once, shame on..." At least you understand what is happening to our nation. Too many still don't care enough to get involved.
KEM PATRICK: Calm down buddy, I want you to get through the next 52 in good health and fine spirits.
cyon July 2nd, 2008 4:43 pm
An Oreo is a Black person whose self-abasement before the political right is not for the benefit of his people but an attempt to establish his credentials with the corporate and financial elite. For example, Fredrick Douglass, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X were not Oreos. Does that clear it up for you cyon?
What a refreshing idea, Nannie
Ah, a real debate. With McCain, Obama, and Nader just to add the spice of reality into the mix. That would be nice.
We know it will never happen. But let's review some of the reasons why?
First, truth telling in the mainstream media world is considered impolite. Only people with dirty minds ever say unkind things about the president or American intentions. For good manners and decorum are considered far more important than truth. So if your patriotism hasn't been brought into question the attitude police will get you on the grounds of filthy mindedness. Good enough.
Nader has a most "filthy" mind. He learned something quite different at the Harvard Law School than Barack Obama did. That you can use the law to go after corporate criminals, for the better good of the American people. Even some Republicans admire him for that. But as for running for president we all know he is an eccentric crank, an old man who outlived his usefulness, a spoiler, a funny looking guy in an ill-fitting badly tailored suit. A regular party pooper.
So bringing Nader in would be a distraction. A presidential debate, after all, is a serious matter and we don't want some goofy participant who may block the real candidates' unending cliches, lies, and avoidances from taking root. The real candidates after all will uphold all the myths we live by. They have been in training a long time and are most politic when it comes to shaping our vision of ourselves. Look at Bush? He even sold the country on a stupid needless war. And will he get away with this little presidential gaff and breach of trust? If the Democrats and Republicans have any say in the matter he will. For impeachment is off the table. Impeachment would be impolite. Something grubby people with dirty minds make a big fuss about. The great unwashed who question the good intentions of the president. And Nader, over there on the fringe, is their man.
I was for Obama until a day ago. I still clung onto the hope in spite of all the evidence. I still hope since it appears he will probably the next president of the Untied States. But right now Nader looks very good to me. At least I can agree with him.
Tailcap: your calling Obama an Oreo because to your mind he doesn't qualify as genuinely Black is almost beneath comment. Almost. Please enlighten us as to the characteristics of a genuine Black man. Oh, wait! Then you would be stereotyping!
athiest,
I think the PTB (powers that be) settled on Obama four years ago when he gave his speech at the convention that propelled him into his "rock star" status. He was a newer face, a blacker face, a minority face, that spoke vaguely but eloquently and carried almost no baggage unlike Hillary. He as groomed for this position as were other Oreos of note: Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and Clarence Thomas.
The entire process is a charade made for the consumption of the masses who believe we live in a Democracy because you get to choose between a Black Democratic-Republican or a White "liberal" Republican, as some conservatives call him. I guess they use the term loosely.
Didn't any of the Obama groupies think to ask him about actual policies during the primary season ??????? Instead of revering him like he's some second coming of Christ and fawning and fainting over his flowery speeches, they should have forced him to state in very certain terms his exact intentions for his Presidency ! Now it's too late !!!
I don't know who came up with this, Gail, but your chromosome comment resonates nicely with this description of our duopoly: The Party of Cain vs. The Party of Judas.
".....it would be helpful going forward if Obama would let us know which of his powerful rhetoric is "overheated" and/or "amplified," so voters will know not to get their hopes too high."
Yeah, no kidding!
Third-party candidates are looking better every day. My hopes are dwindling to a point of "no return".
An author(?) of an article I recently read, suggested that chromosomes of Replublican politicians are coded for Greed and chromosomes of Democratic politicians are coded for Deceipt. Hmmmm....
PRAISE JESUS, Cyon! We chickenpluckin' Americans completely agree with you! As instructed by Reverend James Dobson, whose Falwell-inspired teachings are the stuff of future public school textbooks, the Taxes should be mostly supporting FAITH-BASED initiatives, so that our Christian Nation can serve the will of God, McCain, and their hot young wives.
The secularists and the Linkin Park albums shall be Banished with veracity!
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Debates that what I want to see...
Good honest debates between Nader and whoever , one on one ,or all candidates in standing, with no moderators from MSM. At a table like the old Buckley days. On PBS maybe , no commercial interferance. Whoopee , wouldn't that be wonderful?
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LOL, I've been saying for months that Obama is a deciever and a con artist and he is. The best I've ever seen. His voting record is almost identical to McCains and Hillary's voting record was 50% more progressive than any of them. Their voting records are open for all to examine, no credible arguments about that. And this goofy ~PISSANT~ keeps insisting that I'm an Obama supporter. Haa Haa Ha.
Cyon (12:17 p.m.) - Are you saying that federal tax money has been given to faith-based/religious organizations & churches for the last couple of decades? If so, that is news to me. I only became aware of such a thing during the Bush Administration. I did read in one of Obama's speeches that government-religious collaboration began with earlier administrations, but I have no idea what that involved. Again, has our government been funding religious organizations all these years?
My opposition to government funding of religious organizations is grounded in the First Amendment's Establishment Clause, not in any anti-religious prejudice. But speaking of prejudice, I don't appreciate Obama's condemnation of Democratic Party "secularists" who dare to advance the notion that the government should not be funding religious organizations.
I feel like Hermione Granger from the Harry Potter series - Has anyone else besides me read "The Audacity of Hope" ("Hogwarts: A History)?
Barack Obama is not triangulating, moving to the center or taking a right turn. All his current actions and statements make sense in light of the Senator's description of his views and priorities IN THAT BOOK. He truly does want to change the way politics is done. Just not the way some people here expect.
Here is a link to a Diary I wrote on the Daily Kos called Barack Obama In His Own Words:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/1/12342/86932/351/544779
Those of us who really want to repair the damage done to this country by the extremists who have been running the show might want to consider that 1) It will be a huge job and, 2) working toward finding common ground among as many Americans as possible is a necessary first step.
"I think all the progressive on CD should read this very interesting perspective before they throw away Obama with the bath water." Obama IS the bath water? Run Ralph. Run! Nader is not perfect, far from it. What is important, however, is that the two major parties finally realize that the disgruntled and left behind have concluded that there is someone else to vote and that we are doing it. So throw out the Democratic Party along with the bath water which is Obama. Throw out McCain along with the other bath water which is John McCain. Vote 3rd party and independent strategically through VOTE SHARING. See:http://www.votepair.org/
~PISSANT~, besides being an "assumer", and calling me a sorry ass sucker and starting a shit fight here, you are a damn liar.
You didn't wite "IF" I support. You wrote ___ "YOU support the wolf in sheep's clothing of the sorry ass party and that makes YOU, (meaning me), a sorry ass "SUCKER" and a force for imperalism."
Fuck you twice and if you call that rape you're a pissant idiot. Don't start some shit with me Okay. I supported Kucinich and Edwards and believed Hillary would be a better pick than Obama is, and I still do think so. I also support Cindy Sheehan and they're all Democrats and are not what you have described them as, you mouthy self centered Shit Head. If you don't appreciate being told off, don't start any unnecessary crap.
Anyone who votes for a known liar does not deserve that vote, but deserves to be a slave of liars.
Why are so many folks getting excited about the faith-based initiative? Are you really unaware of the fact that faith-based organizations have been the major providers of human services in U.S. communities for at least the last couple of decades under contract with state governments? Obama specifically said that those receiving federal funds would be forbidden from prosletizing or engaging in discriminatory hiring practices. I've worked in two such organizations, and never once saw any evidence of either. Is what I am hearing simply anti-religious prejudice?
If you say so, kivals-- but I'd be happier if we could throw in some electric shocks every time he makes another right turn.
Obama is a rat like all politicians, and he must be conditioned just like a rat in a laboratory experiment. Progressives must refrain from sending him any money while he tries the wrong pathways through the maze, but must (this is the hard part) send him some money if he tries a correct pathway. His team is very sophisticated at fundraising and they will notice. Then we will see whether he alters his behavior.
Obama should read the book "The Last Campaign : Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days that Inspired America" by Thurston Clarke about Bobby Kennedy's run for the White House in '68 and what made him so successful as a candidate. Sure, that was '68, but still, there are some striking similarities between then and now that cannot be ignored.
I highly recommend this book to everyone closely following this Presidential campaign.
I can't believe that Barak is allowing himself to be suckered into the old liberal playbook where a candidate makes an attempt to fill the tent with flakes a.k.a. undecided voters.... The days of attempting to please everyone no matter the socio-political sway have ended in failure.... to borrow a phrase from an old soul singer, "The same thing it took to get us hooked, it's gonna take the same thing to keep us!" Now that Barak has made it to the dance, it only makes sense to dance with the ones that got him there." My move to a new country looks better with each passing day.... Barak has worldwide support as long as he can hold the candidate of change in America position.... a position greatly challenged by implementing the old Democratic Party general election strategy of out Republic-ing the Republicans.... no wonder the party mascot is a donkey!
I don't know the answer either, Jerry.
Although I was still in parochial school during the Summer of Love, the "counter"cultural tsunami emanating from the West Coast had begun to reach the East Coast by then. And I took to it like the proverbial duck to water.
Thus, it may not be surprising to find that I draw a sharply negative inference when anybody repudiates or disses the Sixties from any point on the political spectrum. I don't intend to defend my prejudice here, but I will say that no, I don't look back on the Sixties culture as flawless or utopian.
All this to say that I flinched more than once when Obama saw fit to criticize Sixties politics and culture in favor of lauding Decent Amerikans who believe in respecting government, religion, and even guns, for that matter. Ironically, in my own way I doubted if Obama was "one of us".
I've mentioned often in CD posts that I've been having a friendly running dialogue with someone who's generally at least skeptical of the hopelessly warped and corroded Amerikan political process, but who became impressed with Obama.
When Obama picked a bunch of Clintonista retreads to form his Foreign Policy Work Group, my friend responded to my squeals of dismay by suggesting that I not place too much important on this routine party-building and campaign-building. Who did you expect he'd pick? Noam Chomsky? If he did, the media coverage and wingnut blowback (same thing) would drive his campaign right off the cliff!
I mulled that over for a while, but after the FISA debacle and other developments that don't need to be reiterated here, I e-mailed back with a bit of an Aha! point. True conoisseurs of Obama seem to consider him a political Miles Davis-- a breakthrough genius whose consciousness is so superbly attuned to the essence of his craft that ordinary Philistines can't begin to pick up what he puts down. We're always told that we don't "get it", insofar as Obama is playing a transcendental game that breaks traditional lables or dualities like left/right, progressive/reactionary.
And it hit me: if Obama is truly so fucking transcendental, how come he's consistently, even EXCLUSIVELY, turning his back on the progressive section of the audience and positively ROMANCING the reactionary elements? Yeah, I "get" that he's an expert in political behaviorism, so to speak, and that obviously the first non-white presidential candidate is going to be challenged and distrusted most strongly by Silent Majority types.
To me, Obama's like the father in the Prodigal Son story-- a parable that may have a redeeming spiritual message, but which aggravates anyone who reads it simply as a story. Obama is pandering to the returned prodigal son, and falling all over him with feasts and gifts while the loyal, respectable sons are treated like crap. In short, taking the non-prodigal sons for granted.
As I wrote to my interlocutor, I'd have felt a whole hell of a lot better if Obama HAD stuck a Chomsky in there somewhere, or if he sincerely "reached out" to progressives instead of following the standard Democratic candidate script of Sistah Souljahing what remains of the "left". Frankly, I don't think he gives a damn if disgruntled "purist" progressives rattle our cages; like his predecessors, he probably calculates both that we're expendable, and that in any case he's got the lesser-evil vote anyway.
One can't be sure-- especially if one doesn't feel compelled to Read His Books! for the revealed truth-- if he's "secretly" more progressive, or if he is playing to the right-hand galleries because he really favors the orthodox, complacent Silent Majority constituency. I hoped otherwise, but I suspect that as a self-conscious Good Shephers, he prefers the company of sycophantic sheep.
As it turns out, the only difference between Obama and Hilary Clinton is that Clinton triangulated earlier, and, of course, it cost her the nomination. So in a sense Obama was smarter. Now Obama's triangulation might cost himself the election, so in a sense he is less smart than John McCain, and that lowers the bar beyond belief! Where do the Democrats get all of this insainly stupid advice?? A trained monkey could win the election against this failed Republican government, and the Democrats are finding ways daily to piss off their base and make potential voters stay home. Sucking up to the religeous right, wobbling on telecom immunity and torture, and buying into the surge. Why not just pick John Kerry for the VP slot and finish themselve off!
PissantNobody July 2nd
"you know full well that I routinely call for power through organized labor, with a vanguard socialist party at their head. We all must compromise to survive, but to abdicate our responsibility to build the party of world socialism, and turn it into rooting for Obama is humanitarian and class treason."
By golly, even though I don't agree with you, I love your consistency on this point.
As I've read through this article and most of the comments, it occurs to me to wonder if any of the mega-millions of Obama's campaign dollars are being spent on hiring some spies to read these "progressive" websites and get back to the boss about what the folks in LeftVille are saying these days. If they are, and the spies accurately report the degree of angst being expessed by those who once "believed" in Obama and are now disillusioned with his unprincipled political behavior, I'm wondering what the reaction will be.
A few weeks ago, when any of us decried Obama's "centrist" or even "rightist" stances, we were told essentially to shut up, don't rock the boat, Barack will do what he "has to" to get elected and then his true progressive stripes will emerge as we "pressure" him as supposedly happened with FDR. Will the negativity of these and many other comments from many of his true believers have the desired pressuring effect? Put otherwise, will the Panderer-in-Chief ever pander to "us" by throwing some bones of apparent agreement with the progressive point of view? I'm guessing that he will do that in some way, simply to reassure the wavering about their ability to make Obama more liberal than he appears to me. It's interesting that a website of his own supporters set up a special program for them to urge him to change his stance on the FISA bill. Will such change be the "bone" that will keep the faithful dogs coming back to the support supper dish? (See, see, he IS responsive to "the people" when they speak!) Or would such change cost him votes with the "centrist" crowd who want a "tough" stand on terrorism? It will be interesting to see.
I think all the progressive on CD should read this very interesting perspective before they throw away Obama with the bath water.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/30/9993/
http://politicjock.blogspot.com/
Sorry for the multiples, folks. The site isn't working right this morning!
KEM PATRICK - I did not insult you. I said that if you support a sorry ass party that you are a sorry ass, and encouraged you to upgrade your status. I even provided a formula for you. The Denocrats hace ALWAYS been sorry ass, dude! The left-leaning members of that party are nothing but good-cop imperialsts. You apparently have closed your eyes, for whartever reason. Probably because you belong to that sorry ass party, and cannot face the implications.
Your truth is revealed by your violent, sexist rape threat toward me, and your refusal to address my points. You obviously can't take the heat, so get out of the kitchen! Stop pretending to be a progressive, and go home to the camp of Obama deception.
KEM PATRICK - I did not insult you. I said that if you support a sorry ass party that you are a sorry ass, and encouraged you to upgrade your status. I even provided a formula for you. The Denocrats hace ALWAYS been sorry ass, dude! The left-leaning members of that party are nothing but good-cop imperialsts. You apparently have closed your eyes, for whartever reason. Probably because you belong to that sorry ass party, and cannot face the implications.
Your truth is revealed by your violent, sexist rape threat toward me, and your refusal to address my points. You obviously can't take the heat, so get out of the kitchen! Stop pretending to be a progressive, and go home to the camp of Obama deception.
KEM PATRICK - I did not insult you. I said that if you support a sorry ass party that you are a sorry ass, and encouraged you to upgrade your status. I even provided a formula for you. The Denocrats hace ALWAYS been sorry ass, dude! The left-leaning members of that party are nothing but good-cop imperialsts. You apparently have closed your eyes, for whartever reason. Probably because you belong to that sorry ass party, and cannot face the implications.
Your truth is revealed by your violent, sexist rape threat toward me, and your refusal to address my points. You obviously can't take the heat, so get out of the kitchen! Stop pretending to be a progressive, and go home to the camp of Obama deception.
Don't Try To Please Everybody – A Fable by Aesop
A Man and his son were once going with their Donkey to market. As they were walking along by its side a countryman passed them and said: "You fools, what is a Donkey for but to ride upon?"
So the Man put the Boy on the Donkey and they went on their way. But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said: "See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides."
So the Man ordered his Boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn't gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other: "Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along."
Well, the Man didn't know what to do, but at last he took his Boy up before him on the Donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passers-by began to jeer and point at them. The Man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at. The men said: "Aren't you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor donkey of your. Making it carry both you, and your hulking son, is cruel!"
The Man and Boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, till at last they cut down a pole, tied the donkey's feet to it, and raised the pole and the donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them till they came to Market Bridge, when the Donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the Boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle, all three fell from the bridge into the river, and drowned.
Is it just impossible to make a point without using filthy language? Truly, it weakens your point.
The Huffington Post is the rhetoric of Satan! Everyone here in Chickenpluckistan knows that Obama is wrestling with his own soul as he adopts the Ways of JESUS. By shaking off the shackles of his left wing Atheists, He will pave the way for President McCain and Vice President Condi Rice, as foretold in Scripture and Time Magazine.
Together, along with McCain's hot young wife, they will forge a new alliance of Christian Nations!
Obama may be changing his tune for any number of reasons: in an attempt to build consensus; to protect himself, as vmulier suspects; in a short sighted move that panders to people's fear and superstition; because the fresh energetic organizer has given up his intelligence and idealism and become the tired sanctimonious mainsteamer careerist.
The public is getting a taste of what to expect. The campaign is becoming Kerry-ized. (Mealy mouth so much people become confused and lose interest). The presidency will be Clinton-ized. (Go back on key promises in an instant, bomb someone to show you are tough).
You know what song comes to mind? "I wanna be there to pick up the pieces when somebody breaks your heart". That's going to be the job of progressives vis-a-vis Obama supporters, if we are lucky.
Interesting observations from Ms. Huffington. Also, interesting advice she presumes to give a candidate for president of these United States.
Even more interesting, when one considers that the source is from a "former" candidate for governor of California --- who QUIT the race.
Ms. Huffington seems to be somewhat "overly impressed with her own importance". She has a blog. Most of the contributions on her blog are from many other sources. She makes an appearance, now and then, on somebody's talk show. And, suddenly she is an expert on how campaigns should be run.
This from a woman who quit a race for governor.
Please, spare me.