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Holding Muslims at Arm's Length
I wish Barack Obama were a Muslim. Better that than having supercilious staffers whisk women in Islamic head scarves out of photo-ops. Better that than telling Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the nation's first Muslim congressman, not to come help Obama in Iowa and North Carolina.
Better that than wooing red states by wobbling before the modern equivalent of the Red Scare. In his year-and-a-half-long run for president, Obama has visited churches and synagogues, but no mosque. This has the musty feel of light-skinned African-Americans passing for white, paranoid over daylight visits from dark-skinned relatives.
Obama's campaign has been far more inclusive than John McCain's. Yet as of late, Obama's handlers are so bent on passing their biracial, binationally-raised man as a pure-blooded American - a new commercial plays up his "values straight from the Kansas heartland" - that they are reinforcing the perception that Muslim Americans are impure.
Asked what he would say to Obama if he had the chance, Bilal Kaleem, executive director of the Boston chapter of the Muslim American Society, said, "It's a tough question, and it's sad that it's a tough question. . . . I would suggest that he might have to do the same thing [on Islam] that he did on race. He addressed it head-on in a landmark speech. He gave his speech in a mature way. If he could speak in the same way to that, it could be inspiring for our country and the world."
It is understandable why Barack Hussein Obama and his handlers suffer from PTSD - post-traumatic smear disorder. Political woodpeckers hammer falsehoods from the right. Fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton, when asked whether Obama is a Muslim, tackily peeped, "there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know." Despite nearly hitting the third rail over his former Christian pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, only 58 percent of Americans think Obama is a Christian, according to a Newsweek poll in May.
It has been so outrageous that Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York, an independent and a Jewish American, said the "whisper campaign" was "wedge politics at its worst." Kaleem said of Obama, "We feel sympathy for him because it's not just him who should be called out; it is also the people in the media and politics who made a cottage industry out of him being a wolf in sheep's clothing and that all Muslims are subversive."
But the sympathy may be short-lived as Obama's "Fight the Smears" part of his website has some Muslims feeling betrayed by an over-the-top effort to denounce every Obama-is-a-Muslim claim as a "lie" and saying, "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." How about something like, "Senator Obama is a Christian who, having lived in the world's largest Muslim country [Indonesia], having traveled in Pakistan and having many Muslim friends, appreciates American pluralism like no other candidate in US history"?
A more positive approach by Obama of affirming Muslims while affirming his Christianity actually fits the nation's values. A new Pew Research survey finds Americans more open than ever to a range of religious viewpoints. Muslim Americans themselves, according to a 2007 Pew survey, are "largely assimilated, happy with their lives," and "decidedly American in their outlook, values, and attitudes."
This obviously all came together for Ellison's election, as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune has noted that his district has more Lutherans than Muslims. Ellison this week told The New York Times about Obama, "A lot of us are waiting for him to say that there's nothing wrong with being a Muslim, by the way."
A lot of Muslims are waiting because, seven years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, an undercurrent of suspicion remains. In the 2007 Pew survey, a third of Muslim Americans said that within the last year, they had either been treated with suspicion, called offensive names, profiled by police, or even attacked. Kaleem, a graduate of MIT, said he sometimes is asked during grant proposals how radical his group is.
"In a way," Kaleem said, "it is good that these missteps have come out in public so we can start talking about the undercurrent, which is the real issue."
Obama himself has said "Christians and people of other faiths lived very comfortably" with each other when he lived in Indonesia. It is time for him to live comfortably with Muslims in his campaign.
In a 2006 trip to Chad, Obama issued the Muslim greeting for peace. A wise Obama would say "assalamu alaikum" at home, too.
© Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company



27 Comments so far
Show AllAll Religions are imagined fantasies, created by people, usually in or under one threat or another, in an attempt to create a unifying cause for survival against that threat.
If the believers survive the threat, the "proof of the religion" is verified, then given credibility, then propagated or broadcast to others; most often with force.
The Jews, who do not "recruit", in order to procreate themselves, take their membership in the Religion through the women in their numbers, then "recruit" men, who in turn procreate with the women, and the children are then "the chosen ones".
The Christians, have a terrible history of bloody conquest almost from the beginning or at least since Constantine accepted the belief, and then made it "the state Religion, of the "Holy Roman Empire"---then the blood ran red every where they went---and they still create much turmoil---if not outright blood shed. The Christians have been directly responsible for the destruction of every single culture they have encountered----and they are not through yet.
The Muslims took the cue, from the Christians, and they have shed blood and destroyed every culture they have encountered.
In fact there is NO Religion in existence today, that has not done the same as the above, to one degree or another.
What a wonderful future the entire planet will enjoy when the human beings---the dominate species--either outgrows the "need" for a Religion---or wipe themselves from the face of the planet.
The fact that so many Americans who hold themselves up an example to the world as the people to be emulated---actually vote according to someones religion is an indication that human kind has a long long way to go.
OR NOT MUCH TIME LEFT.......
As for myself, I do not particularly enjoy sharing this planet with those "religious people"----to think of sharing an eternity in some "heaven" with them----any of them-----is unthinkable, and would represent my idea of HELL...............
Thank you for your time.
Jefferson was so proud of the Statute for Religious Freedom in Virginia that it was one of the three things he wanted on his cenotaph.
Jefferson held that every man had the right to believe and worship God in whatever form he conceived Him to be, or the right to believe in nothing. No man had the right to question those beliefs; it was a purely private matter.
Originally, the Statute intended that you could be whatever brand of Christian you wished. Jefferson fought that with eloquence and finally won.
If people (and ministers, priests, rabbis and imams) simply read and followed the teachings of their various prophets, most of the problems of the world would vanish and we would live and solve our problems in peace.
Every religious war, every religious persecution, begins with bigotry, and greed, usually fomented from the top.
And so we see it today.
Native Son,
I agree.
Native Son
I disagree. But I don't mind sharing the planet with you.
You could also substitute any tribe, group, city state, nation or ethnic group, whenever or wherever for the relegions you named and the resulting answers would still be valid.
Nativeson- Jews do not convert unless someone asks, and they need to ask three times before its even considered. Claiming women "recruit" men is absolute BS.
You are right about islam though. It has become much like what christianity was in the middle ages. Which leads me to wonder why you "progressives" are so fond of it. Were the middle ages progressive?
The only real problem with Islam and Christianity is that they have Biblical roots...still trying to 'factualize' fabricated Jewish history. We need a new Poem for this Life.
All organized religions are potential threat to secular democratic societes. They are all based on belief that only they know best and the rest is at best ignorat or at worst heretic deserving to be burned at the stake or blown to pices...
After all, all thoes unbelivers will end up in hell anyway so why to bother with them...
This author needs to remember that Obama has one, and only one, goal---from now to November. That is to get elected.
Without winning, NONE of his other positions or courtesies to this group or that group matter in the least.
This is not to say that Obama does not have far bigger goals as president,...and VERY inclusive ones, at that.
But, meanwhile, he is walking the minefield of mad women,
racists, tax-cut junkies, a LOT of very ignorant voters who don't know Quran from crayon, and miscellaneous swiftboat wannabees. Let's not constantly criticize him for being careful with imagery. He's being cautious on our behalf as well as his own. Remember, one big stumble on his part and you live in the land of McCain.
I disagree with the notion Obama is anti Muslim - most of his positions such as opposing the war with Iraq and negotiations with Iran go down well with Muslims. The incident with the two Muslim women was an unfortunate misunderstanding and Obama has apologized for it in person.
"Why do politicians (and their supporters) believe the only way to win an election is to appeal to the most fickle portion of the electorate?"
Obama isn't appealing to the electorate. He is appealing to the generally right-wing elites who own the wealth of the USA. And there is nothing fickle about them.
This idea that Democrats have to continually move right to get elected is a complete myth and utter nonsense. In congressional races, candidates that stick to a progressive -left message are more successful at defeating incumbent republicans and staying in office than movers-to-the right.
So the real question is, why are the democrats feeding us this lie that they must move to the right to get elected.
The answer is obvious.
"A lot of Muslims are waiting because, seven years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, an undercurrent of suspicion remains."
This is probably the result of their deafening quietness on Muslim terroists or any thing else for that matter. At any time in the last 7 years.
Silence denotes consent for those that missed "A Man For All Seasons" A little less cry of the victim here would not go amiss.
Better to leave this out or people will remember the picture of those Palestinians dancing in the street as the towers fell.
The folks that believe Obama is a Muslim were not going to vote for him if Christ himself showed up to rally for him. The American people are quite a bit smarter than some think. In fact I'd say it won't hurt him at all. His problem is about the apperance that he is a racist. That he is a radical. Indulged in corrupt politics in Chicago. This is where his problem is.
"So the real question is, why are the democrats feeding us this lie that they must move to the right to get elected."
You really think thats a lie? The vast majority of people are center or center right. There has been a move to center left, but if you'd care to run a Leftist message campaign in other than a few selected states and areas, you'll get your head handed to you.
I'd hate to stake my election on MoveOn and Code Pink.
"Remember, one big stumble on his part and you live in the land of McCain."
Its hard to refute this fact. Thats the other choice.
Derrick may still get his wish. Although only 15% of the American public believes that Obama is a Muslim, with any luck and clever campaigning by the Republicans that number may go up to 40% by election time. I am hopeful.
I did not know that Obama is Muslim, but if he is, maybe he was involved with 9-11.
This murderous attack on the followers of JESUS
By Allah's Assassin's
Makes America's mission clear;
Follow bin-Laden as far as he runs into the Oil Fields of Iraq.
And kill every Arab in The World.
Speaking of Inside Jobs; Steven Hatfield, the scientist called a person of interest by the FBI in the anthrax mailings (remember the TIMING for those, the fear) agreed to $5.3 mill yesterday for being falsely accused.
Anyone surprised?
Or am I a "conspiracy theorist" here, his accusers paying him money, how in the wrong are they on this? How about COMPLETELY.
OBVIOUSLY.
Thomas More Muslims have repeadelty condemned and rejected terrorism over the years and have even issued religious ruling against terrorism but the Mainstream media never mentions this. Besides what's up with the collective blame? That in itself is islmophobic.
http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html
L I S A 3210 P E A C E,
You're so on target, hitting that NAILED bullseye, it is almost uncanny !
What an amazing "turn-about" un-fair play for the dude who likely did the nasty white powdery deed, to initially be the scapegoat ( oh boo hoo ) -- only now to officially escape and with the purse, too!
I knew the same, when I read the initial report, as he appeared to me to "slimed out" at about magnitude 10 of that "Richter scale". Just too convenient of a story, with too many conveniently massive lapses of every know sense of security, propriety, honesty, and protection of the publics health.
CerPRIZ, CerPRIZ, them dim-craps are soo pre-☠_DICK_☠-table.
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Namaste « Presence »
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« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
"Besides what's up with the collective blame? That in itself is islamophobic."
Give me a break. Islamophobic? Thats farcical.
Muslims here have objected so quietly that they haven't been heard. And its certainly not the media's fault that they aren't heard. Its their business till they start complaining that they are looked at suspiciously or disregarded, etc.
Fair criticism is never bic or ism anything. I followed your link and I guess I didn't make myself clear. I should have said American Muslims. There wasn't any mention of American Muslims in it. I don't concern myself with Muslims elsewhere. I think their actions speak for themselves.
Where was the outcry from them after 9-11, when Nick and others were losing their heads, when terrorist bombers were killing women and children?
They are very, very quiet, except in complaining about their "rights"
Thomas Moore yes you are an islamophobe and yes the MSM does not broadcast the condemnations:
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
Ariel_Sharon
You obviously misunderstood or mis-read my comments.
Please note that the word recruit as the above context was in quotations as in "poor fool"-----
No personal attack against anyone believing in any form of organized religion(s) was/were intended. Indeed I recommend that those who do "practice a religion", are "on the road to recovery" from extreme ignorance----and need only to study material that will liberate their intellects from the slavery of ignorance imposed upon them by religion. In this manner, many people,some of them "progressives"----even others who by nature cannot be categorized by a single "word"----------------------might enjoy a more rewarding life while trapped here on the confines of this wonderful planet.
Unfortunately, the US Gov. and a few (very few) supporters insist that illogical concepts no matter how obsurd be imposed upon others in the name of a God.. One very disastrous example is that posed by the 'State of Israel'. The Israelis, and the USA (which admits to more than 6 Billion in aid annually to Israel) insist that the "Jewish State" has the right to exist at the expense of the Palestinians, and they have used violence for sixty years now (along with US Tax dollars in the trillions) to support this illogical concept.
Then again, the largest supporter of the "Jewish State" , the USA,are themselves currently in possession of more than eighty percent of their own geographic territory---and untold wealth---illegally, by international legal standards. None of these and so many other atrocities against humanity, as well as jurisprudence would have ever been committed----without justification of "by" Religion practiced by the group with the most "stolen money", and most pwoerful weapons.
Thank you for making my point---which group of the "Chosen ones" do you belong to, i.e. "Orthodox, Reformed, Hasidim----etc ?
And I might request that the next time you give thanks to Yahweh, you give thanks for the Christian/Americans---- who stole so much from the Native Americans, that they can afford to be so generous to the "Jewish State"----------.
I have not seen one written example where the "Jewish State" as a whole or any individual(s) therein have ever spoken out against the USA for the Native American "Holocaust", which continues even at this writing.....if you do know of such references ---please forward those to me---for my own "enlightenment".
If you are a "numbers scholar" you might consider that most anthropologists believe that the Native American (North, Central, and South American) people once numbered more than 150 million---in North America---perhaps 20 - 50 million---who now number less than 2 million in N.America----which would make the 6 million "Jews" lost in the "holocaust"-----pale in comparison----------
Then also consider that by their own belief system the Christians recognize that if he had simply asked "to be forgiven" that Adolph Hitler, and all of the Nazis being "good Christians" accordingly will be walking the "streets of Gold" with the "other Christians"---while those "Jews" who do not "believe in Jesus" will be absent-----except of course the "Messianic Jews"----- this insanity could go on forever.
Thanks agains for making my point.
(Your reading skills will improve with more reading---try it.)
Shalom
Native Son,
What a close-minded unknowledgable ranter you are.
1. If you are going to condemn religion(s) - get your facts straught.
2. By condemning, you shut off any communication and possibility of learning something, or conversely, being able to share your beliefs intelligently.
dcbeltway June 29th, 2008 10:59 am
Thomas Moore yes you are an islamophob
All this shows my friend is what an intolerant and small minded person you are.
That is such a pathetic thing to say, simply because you have no argument to make. Muslims don't bother me one way or the other, but I don't care for the constant cry's of I'm a victim from anyone.
Self satisfying condemnation positions are seldom satisfactory in the long run, but why be a piker?
Heck, throw in, lets see.....homophobe, exnophobic, redneck, nativist, racist, bigot, if there are any ism's or obe'ds I left out, feel free to throw them in.
This kind of thinking, its Sunday so I'll be generous, even with intolerant "people" that insult me and use "thinking", is a perfect example of what is wrong with many posts here.
The lack of civility in disagreeing with someone reflects badly on you not them. Name calling is always the resort of the small soul.
If you had bothered to see what I was saying instead of looking for any possible way to make something into an insult you could take offense at, you would have seen what I was saying. Instead you nearly broke your finger typing your self satisfying defense of no offense.
Think about it.
NativeSon June 29th, 2008 1:20 pm
By the way, perhaps it would be better if you didn't insult peoples religion, its a fairly personal attack, as your belief or lack of it is a very personal thing. And thats the way it appeared.
We of course know you are an atheist or agnostic, you've never mentioned which. So if I say, God bless you, I simply mean good wishes since I know you don't believe in God.
What if I said
"Indeed I recommend that those who do not practice a religion", need to get on the road to recovery" from extreme ignorance—-and need only to study material that will liberate their intellects from the slavery of ignorance imposed upon them by their lack of faith and belief in God and religion in general."
Wouldn't you be offended? And thats what you said right after saying you didn't mean any personal attack.
I know what you were trying to say, but you can see how it looks if you go back and read it. Don't mean to butt in, but I was here.
Pax
"Wouldn't you be offended? And thats what you said right after saying you didn't mean any personal attack."
Excuse me, I meant to say that I reversed the meaning of your statement, not that you said that.
I actually have enjoyed causing so much angst with so many "believers". But since time is valuable I will close my discussion on this matter with a "comparative" study. w/ a footnote at the end.
Many years ago, a small child that I was fostering asked my if I believed in Santa Clause. I confessed that I did not, and explained to her that Santa Clause was a mythical character, the origins of which were obscure. That in a few months, a jolly fat white man would not be sliding down the chimney to bring gifts to her and her "foster siblings"----whether they had been good or bad. She argued that she had seen Santa at "sears" the year before and "who was that?". I then explained to her that the myth was something that others propagated to their children----knowing very well that it was a lie---while at the same time demanding truth from the very same children they were lying to. That I was not going to lie to her, about anything---and hoped that she would not lie to me. She interjected that so many other children believed that there "had to be a Santa" since so many believed in him. We had a long discussion on the matter over several nights just before bed time. Finally she realized that the fantasy had many holes in it's credibility, and that without more "proof" to continue believing in the unbelievable was a waste of her intellect. That believing in Santa Claus did not make him a reality---no matter how many others "believed" along with her.
Her teacher called me just before the Christian Holiday break and complained that she had "shared her lack of belief with her class mates". I explained to her teacher the discussions we had had and that I was proud of her, since this showed that she cared enough about her fellow children to try and liberate them from a faulty belief that sooner or later would reveal that their parents had been lying to them----"their whole lives".....they were all every bit of eight years old, but that was their "whole lives" was it not?
For all of those who believe in a "God"----your belief does not make that God a reality any more than believing in Santa Clause makes him a reality...........unless of course you still believe in Santa---no matter how many adults do not -----------------but then, an adult believing in Santa might be enough to have that adult "committed" to a mental facility for intense therapy/treatment.
Unless, there actually ARE adults who still believe in Santa and keep it a secret.
How much better would the world be----if those who believe in a God----kept it a secret, instead of "voting", or "sharing the truth",or wiping out entire populations, cultures, and innocent lives of those who do not OR WILL NOT believe in a God.
Or getting angry and using nasty words like "atheist, or agnostic"----or "heretic to be burned at the stake---in the town square"----or better yet---the parking lot at "Sears"----on the 23 of Dec---
Because that "Red Nigger" doesn't believe in Santa OR GOD----------
Burn baby Burn Burn Burn--------higher and higher.........
Thanks folks it's been fun making so many
"Religious People angry"---------
But then; if your belief were as strong as your rhetoric----you'd just let that "jealous"*, vindictive God**----Get me.
* First Commandment (of the ten) KJR
"Thou shall have not other Gods before me, for the Lord thy God is a Jealous God"..
**Duet 32:335 "To me belongeth vengeance"KJR
As a teacher, I would recommend that you study comparative religion at the university level, you would learn that all of the religious beliefs are surprisingly similar, and when taken in the original forms, are self revelatory as "FANTASY"------
No more credible than Fairy Tales, or Children's Fables such as the Brothers Grim, and others, which carry lessons for children in a comprehensible form.
Religion studied in a comparative manner as I have tried to explain will reveal the same.
I am qualified to make an observation about religion and the existence of a God based on many years of study of religion. I can even disagree with it, without insulting the individual(s) who might practice it. Nor do I intend to pander to their fantasies----that would be foolish.........
But as in so many other settings the most ignorant among us are the most easily offended.
If you take offense at the word "ignorant" then don't, it simply means "you don't know YET"..............
If you found offense where none was intended--
you fool yourself--------
By the way, that little girl matured into a beautiful woman and is a teacher herself, working on her PHD------------
thomas_more_of_the_same_BS -- "Silence denotes consent "
What about jewish silence about the atrocities in Gaza currently or all the violence against the Palestinians. If jewish people consent to this violence they are no better and deserve the same treatment you suggest for Muslims. You and your fellow bigot ariel-sharon need to be thrown into an American jail and given some good, friendly and just American treatment .. . the kind where you get sodomized.
Stop using 9-11 to justify your own virulent racism and intolerance. You insult Americans and pretend you are American at the same time. Friggin zionist prick ...
LOL I'm intolerant for pointing out Thomas Moore's intolerance towards Muslims? A biggot who paints himself as a victim. Gimme a friggin break.
What if people with yarmulkes or gold crosses were asked to leave the photo? Oh lord, what a mess we are.