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Obama's First Presidency
If Barack Obama is elected president of the United States, it will be the result of another presidential election, in February 1990.
Then, 80 of his Harvard classmates chose him as the first black scholar to preside over the editing of the 140th edition of their law review. That instantly brought him to national attention, with featured articles in The New York Times and other major newspapers, a book contract and 700 job offers from all the best law firms. He was a mature student of 27 at the time and after graduation worked for several years as a community lawyer before ascending the greasy pole of Illinois politics. What does this period of this life, as a lawyer, foretell?
There are very few back issues of the Harvard Law Review available in Britain. I tracked down volume 140 in a deserted floor of the Middle Temple library, above the amazing Molyneux globe that guided Sir Walter Raleigh to the new world. It was unthumbed, probably since 1990; so much for the curiosity of our law students. It weighed in at 1964 pages, comprising learned articles, students' case notes and book reviews, with many thousands of footnotes compiled by its eager editors.
The university law review is an American phenomenon that has no parallel in Britain's lazier and less academic law schools: the notion of an elite group of students determining, by the juristic contributions they choose to solicit, the focus of contemporary legal thinking would cause apoplexy in Oxbridge common rooms. But in the US, law reviews are important in shaping the law, and Harvard is the most important of all.
Hence the newsworthiness of Obama's election. Never before had there been a black editor-in-chief. "The fact that I've been elected shows a lot of progress," he said at a news conference. "But you have to remember that for every one of me there are hundreds of thousands of black students with at least equal talent who don't get a chance" because of poverty and family drug environments.
It was a worthy beginning and earned him an affectionate impersonation in that year's Harvard Law Revue. ("In Chicago I discovered I was black, and I have remained so ever since").
The 1990-91 legal term was an unsettling and unsettled time. Justice William Brennan, architect of Supreme Court activism (for example, The New York Times v Sullivan) had just retired, and Obama's volume begins with a tribute to him from Thurgood Marshall, the court's first black judge. William Rehnquist now held the reins, and Reagan and George snr appointees were in the majority: the candle of liberal jurisprudence, burning bright in classrooms inspired by the philosophy of Ronald Dworkin, was beginning to tremble.
Volume 104 is full of civil liberty issues (Obama had been an editor of the previous year's Civil Liberties Review) and full of apprehension lest Dworkin's moral theories would cut no ice with the likes of Justice Scalia. The first major article (solicited, it was noted with surprise, from a non-ivy league professor) analysed the philosophy of Vaclav Havel and argued that his "individual responsibility" approach might be better suited to protecting freedom than Dworkin's appeals to individual rights. Volume 104 exhibits a refreshing interest in foreign cases (some Republican justices regard the citation of British court decisions as tantamount to treason) and there is a contrast between Stephen Sedley's views on the need to censor hate speech and the ACLU's support for the right of racist utterance.
Barack Obama leaves no byline in this volume, but as president he would have been responsible for selecting the topic of the major student disquisition: a 180-page analysis of the need for new law to protect the environment. Introduced with quotes from Chekov, U Thant and the Grateful Dead, this closely argued segment appears prescient today: it was produced long before climate change became topical, and its advocacy of "green helmets" and extra-territorial law enforcement against corporate polluters is more relevant than ever.
It is tempting to detect the young Obama's hand in a few of the many unsigned articles and book reviews. There is a scathing dismissal of a book by Roy Grutman, a great courtroom advocate ("money is what makes his legal world go round") reminiscent of Obama's later comments that law "is a sort of glorified accounting that seems to regulate the affairs of those who have power". I strongly suspect his contribution to the last and best article in Volume 104, titled Talking of Unconscionable Niggers.
This is an acidic review of a biography of Frederick Douglass, the slave who became a formidable orator for abolition and later a respected public servant (the title is a quoted reaction to Douglass's modest request to be paid for his services). The review notes how most white abolitionists (including Lincoln) were opposed to equal rights for freed slaves, and severely criticises the author (a white historian) for failing to notice black women. This is not an admission that Obama, shortly to marry Michelle (who had graduated from Harvard before him) could readily forgive.
Obama himself graduated Magna cum Laude with the legal world at his feet. He could have taken a highly paid job at a prestigious law firm, or a year's clerkship with a Supreme Court judge followed by an even more highly paid job. Instead he returned to community work for a small firm in Chicago that specialised in housing, welfare and employment and that billed him out at a modest $167 an hour. For all his rhetorical genius he never tried a case, preferring the solicitor's work of researching briefs and preparing witness statements. His clients were whistle-blowers and NGOs anxious to use the law to assist the registration of voters who were poor and black and mainly Democrat. Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate, although he continued to lecture for 12 years on constitutional law as a visiting professor in Chicago. By all accounts, especially those of his students, he was an outstanding teacher.
There is one abiding mystery about Obama's legal career. Although (as his books attest) he is a fine writer, he never put his name to any article, anywhere. It was a time when the very ambitious had become very cautious: Robert Bork had been denied Supreme Court confirmation on the strength (in fact, the weakness) of his earlier writings, and the mysterious David Souter passed muster only because he had written nothing that Democrats on the Senate's judiciary committee could sink their teeth into (to Republican fury, he turned out to be a closet liberal).
Perhaps young Barack decided to leave no hostages to fortune in a career trajectory that might take him to the Supreme Court, or to the White House. Or perhaps he was too busy with his humble work in and for poor communities than to bother about reshaping a legal system that he had come to believe would inevitably serve the powerful.
Ironically it is that system which is most at stake in this election. George Bush leaves a bloc of four dyed-in-the-wool conservatives seated for many years yet on the nine-judge Supreme Court. Three of the remaining moderates (Justices Stevens, Ginsberg and Souter) are likely to leave in the next few years.
"Gentleman John" McCain has promised to appoint strict constructionists, judges who will find no constitutional bar to executing juveniles, or limiting abortions or abolishing habeas corpus. The fate of liberal jurisprudence hangs once again in the balance as it did, in 1990, for the president of the Harvard Law Review.
Just how vital - and how insecure - that balance is, was demonstrated by the 5-4 US Supreme Court decision this month to strike down as unconstitutional the Bush Congress law depriving Guantanamo Bay inmates of the right to habeas corpus.
The moderates in the majority drew upon Anglo-American legal history, from Magna Carta onwards, to insist that "the great writ" could not be suspended by the government on the pretence that Guantanamo is a foreign country. The minority, led by Bush's chief justice, mean-mindedly accepted this pretence and exhibited a cruel insouciance over the fact that the inmates had already been detained without trial for six years. Obama, out on the stump, immediately and courageously went into battle for the principled, but unpopular, majority decision.
"... you remember during the Nuremberg trials, part of what made us different was even after these Nazis had performed atrocities that no-one had ever seen before, we still gave them a day in court. And that taught the entire world about who we are, but also the basic principles of rule of law. Now the Supreme Court upheld that principle yesterday."
It is sobering to think that unless Obama is elected it is unlikely that the Supreme Court, its balance changed by just one more Republican appointment, will uphold that principle again, at least for the next decade.
Obama's legal career never took off, for all its historic promise at Harvard. He turned his back on the glamour of trial attorneyship and the mega bucks of a prestige partnership, preferring to help house the poor. That may have been the result of careful calculation, as the quickest way to a political career. Or it may simply be that Barack Obama, despite being a lawyer, is in fact a good person.
Geoffrey Robertson, QC is author of The Justice Game (Vintage), and a member of the UN's Internal Justice Council.
Copyright © 2008. The Sydney Morning Herald.
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Show AllThere are no valid reasons to vote for Obama. He has no passion, no vision, and the real reason he wants to be president is psychological: the need to "achieve" ever more.
It's time to start voting for third party candidates in all elections.
If Barack Obama is "John Kerry with a tan", as that reactionary hack Gravedigger Norquist recently said, then McCain is Bobby Jindal with bleached skin. At least Obama won't drown government in a bathtub.
Obama is all about Obama (and that means telecoms and a few defense contractors, too). DuPont will need to create a new and improved teflon for this guy. Smooth talkin', soft-shoe shuffler, he is. Rich is right. If you still feel like voting means something, vote 3rd party.
It helps being reminded of his history, which is more solid than vacillating political theatrical choices, which is what we're all faced with now. I can forgive some political disingenuous if the real Barack Obama eventually stands up, and then is a real progressive or at least the most progressive president we've had in several decades. Perhaps some day we'll live in a society where a political candidate won't have to pander to one side or another and just be 100% him/herself and still be able to be elected, but we are here now and Obama knows better.
He won't be perfect, and that can't be expected, because my perfect differs from the perfect of every thousand other perceptions of perfect in a room or posting a comment on CD. I had hope for the next president before he started talking about hope; it's natural unless you thrive on a lack of it.
I'll maintain my hope because he is, as has been said, the best of any other realisitic choices we have. And if he is elected, and proves to be another Clinton corporatist or worse, well...I don't think staring at the corpse lipped smile of McCain would have been to our benefit.
And don't forget that we have Michelle. I think (hope) she slipped and showed us a glimpse into the Barack-Michelle personal relationship private views on the US government and our society when she made the statement about this being the first time she's proud of the US. That statement fueled my hope because it says a lot about her, which in turn, I hope, says a lot about him as well. And hopefully she'll be able to reel him back in after all of the bullshit political maneuverings are done. And if she can't reel him in, at least maybe she can hold his feet to the fire and remind him of who he once was, if indeed he was that at all. It is possible that all of the community work, etc. was all just part of the political career agenda from the start.
Maybe he was really raised and groomed by a bunch of overfed white men in some elite secret circle since childhood so that he could come in and fool the masses for another four to eight years and do their evil bidding...
I'll choose hope because we have nothing without it (and a fat mix of activism, good ideas, kindness and love).
Raven, Obama is already a corporatist -- he has sold our civil liberties with every brush of his pen since he joined the congressional/corporate/miltary complex. I think he's had a labotomy.
Obama gets too much attention from the MSM and is adored by the masses, which among other factors, makes it nearly impossible for a 3rd party to get more than a few percentage points. The possibility of voting 3rd party for any reason than casting a protest vote is unrealistic. I love Ralph Nader, and his 12 points I applaud and have posted to my wall, but protest votes are not what we need right now.
Our society needs to be rocked hard, or loosened by someone who can begin to release the corporate stranglehold on our society before 3rd parties have a chance. Even if all the progressives in the US voted 3rd party, that obviously wouldn't be enough.
Squabble squabble squabble. Who really has the time for it? The vote 3rd party stance was the rage back in 2000. My best friend said it wouldn't matter whether Gore or Bush was elected, it would all be the same. I can only guess that he was severely wrong and it's likely going to take decades to undo what Bush has done to our democracy (and I use the term loosely), the US's reputation abroad, our economy, and the rest of the mess...if it is undone at all!
Obama can only do so much. He has to pander and promise just to get elected. That should not be a surprise to anyone. Let's repeat that...That should not be a surprise to anyone. It's what he does once elected that matters, and we can only guess what that will be and have hope and try to hold his feet to the fire as a unified progressive voice. Somehow.
But since he's all we've got to hope for right now, my hope is that he gets in and starts to turn the Titanic, and maybe do a handful of amazing progressive things along with the bushels of things we'll lament on this post.
In our society, with our f-cked up governement and corporate rule of law, it's all we can really hope for. And then the next president can maybe take is several steps further to what progressives can applaud, and the next as well if we're really lucky. If we're really lucky, there will be a human race still making comments on posts in another 50 years.
Peace & love. And hope.
Labotomy, perhaps, and at least funny. Political-disingenuous-to-get-elected? Perhaps, and very possible. Sucks we're in a society that you can't be 100% real to get elected, but it is what it is.
Do you think that if Dennis K. or Nader were as charismatic as Obama he could get elected? Or better yet, if Obama stood solidly using all of Dennis' or Nader's positions on the issues he could get elected? It wouldn't happen, so why try? You can't get elected at this point in time without big money backing you, and big money won't back anyone with a real progressive stance. Maybe some day, but not today.
Every move is planned for Obama. It's all theater right now (I can only hope he's a Trojan horse). Is it going to turn out as we as readers of CD and listeners of Amy Goodman would approve? It's doubtful. Maybe some of it, sure. I am very disappointed in Obama these past few weeks especially and I have super stong doubts, but it's all we've got.
Every 4 years we are given 2 rotten (putting it mildly) choices for the most powerful position to be held on the planet. I am not in love with the country of my birth, and I find it sadly laughable when people talk about the USA as if it operates with a functioning democracy. I truly believe that if we do not begin at some point to force not only a 3rd party, but a 4th, 5th, yada yada yada ... we are only fooling ourselves (resulting in tremendous suffering worldwide)and to me that is pathetic with all that we know about what it takes to cause change.
When Obama gave a speech at the Nominating Convention in 2000, I thought he would be President - the speech moved me that much. Now, after following his career and his alignment with corporations, status quo politics, and most importantly, incremental reform environmentalism, I have little hope for our Planet. I think Obama will win and win big. I also think we will be embroiled in Iran and Iraq for years to come; a solution for Palestinians will remain elusive; Nuclear and Bio fuels will rule the day in years to come thus diminishing our Earth Mother and those who walk upon her; minimum wage will remain so, and corporations will continue to get huge windfalls of cash and reduced taxation; military spending will spiral out of control as it has over the last 8 years; the poor will get poorer, and the rich, richer. Life on Planet Earth will get more difficult leading to ever increasing starvation, and wars will be fought over water supplies; all the while Obama and his class of courtiers will benefit while the rest of us suffer.
The above comments are written by loser jerks, great article, Obama is a God send to America, if America throws away the chance to have probably the greatest President this country has ever had, America deserves all the misery that will come from 4 more years of Republican rule...this is our last chance America, don't throw it away.
These days it's rare to hear an argument in favor of Obama that doesn't involve lesseroftwoevilism. Geoffrey Robertson provides one, but it's circa 1990, that's how far he needs to go back to fawn over Obama. Got anything more current? That was then and this is now:
Civil Rights
Obama supports rubber-stamping a bill to give retroactive immunity to Bush and the Telecoms for breaking the law.
Iraq/Afghanistan
Obama just voted along with 91 other Democratic-Republicans in favor of funding the obscene, illegal and immoral rape/plunder/destruction/occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan through 2009 to prevent the embarrassing specter of it coming up during the election.
Iran
Supports Israel's threatening military exercises and made a right wing speech to AIPAC in which he undermined Palestinians. Obama: "There is no doubt that Iran poses an extraordinary threat to Israel and Israel is always justified in making decisions that will provide for its security."
Death Penalty
Affirmed his support of the death penalty in commenting on a decision by the US Supreme Court outlawing the execution of people convicted of child rape. Obama: "I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes," he told a news conference in Chicago.
Probably very true, Huck. And because it looks like Obama will win very big, it dashes my questionable hope when he does his slide further center-right. Why allow telecom immunity trying to appease the right if you already are in a position to probably win big? Maybe we really are now seeing the real Barack Obama coming forth and all the earlier seemingly progressive-leanings were hogwash rather than the possibility that his increasingly frequent center-right choices being politically driven hogwash (for which I still hold on to hope). We'll find out which it is soon enough.
And Meg, I agree, but how can a we force anything when the vast majority in this country don't give a rat's ass enough to actually do something besides go to work for The Man, pay their cable bill so they can escape into further lunacy after working for the man, and then complain like good Americans about those damn Arabs making our gas prices so high. Yeah, forcing a third party is a great idea that Nader and other have been working hard at for years, but you've got to break the MSM corporate grip so that it goes beyond a great idea into the realm of real possibility. The vast majority of American is dumbed down by television and their bellies are not yet growling from starvation. They are just now reaching the point of being inconvenienced with higher fuel and food prices.
With a pretty face and charisma to boot like Obama, whome the MSM loves for the most part, it isn't going to happen in this cycle (i.e., 3rd party viability). If McCain is elected, he may push the Bush lunacy further to the point where people might actually rebel and start "forcing things".
Hey, I'm all for 3rd parties. But every single CD reader and Democracy Now! listener, and Nation reader can vote for Nader this year, and he still won't get elected. Not even close. We are not yet the majority as far as I can tell. So where does that leave us?
I am in no way defending Obama. I am however simply stating that I have some hope that he won't turn out as bad as many think. That's just hope, nothing more, which is realistically all we've got at this point. And maybe he can be the one to help with a much needed shift.
And then there is that ever so slight possibility that he has played his cards so politically perfect for decades now that he'll end up being a radical progressive president who orchestrates his master plan precisely and effectively to the good of all and the planet. Yeah, right...
Birdflewunder, if Obama is our great hope, we've already lost.
Huck, I wish I knew how to force a 3rd party, especially since I strongly believe that our electoral process is 100% corrupted. The only thing we can do is keep voting for the candidate that best represents the vision we want to see expressed in the world. Obama -- NOT THAT GUY. I share everyone's desire to have him be THAT GUY, but he isn't and that has been true since he arrived at his congressional office. "Hell hath no furry ..." and I surely feel scorned by him.
Everyone seems so enthralled with Saint Obama. Has anyone noticed that since the nomination was tied up, he's moving to the right so fast that by November McCain will be the left wing choice. Exactly why do we want to vote for this guy?
"In Chicago I discovered I was black, and I have remained so ever since"
It took him until his mid to later TWENTIES to realize this? What does THAT tell you?
sLiMsHaDy -- LOL ... I guess that says it all. BTW, he was never poor and black. Or, poor and white. Money changes everything.
Tailcap-Your post should be printed and given out as a pamphlet to any progressive.
More and more I keep getting the impression that Obama merely wants to capture a title rather than make things better for ordinary people.
I won't be the least bit angry if Obama gets elected. Hell, I hope he beats McCain also. It just means that we will have to lean on him. If we get lazy and sit back, he's either going to lean further right, do things halfway, or do nothing but play to the crowd, which is something he excels at.
There was an piece here the other day by Johann Hari about the people looking to the skies for political saviors and how "childish" and "superstitious" he found that to be. While I don't totally agree with that his sentiment, I can really see where he's coming from when I read absolutely laudatory essays from people on the Left who normally examine anyone in power with a magnifying glass. Tony Norman, Katrina vanden Huevel, Keith Olbermann, and many other people like them appear to have gone soft when it comes to Obama. They point out his strengths, yet fail to do so with his flaws. Many people, including many very smart and moral people are definitely being blinded by Obama's charm and distracted by how he makes them feel.
I mean does know how to talk. In terms of rhetoric, he gets the ball into the basket. He's all net. He's even won my staunch Clintonista parents over. They get angry with me if I say anything critical of him and think Nader's a spoiler, etc. And he's inclusive. The man wants to be the most popular kid on campus.
But there are people, people such as Kucinich, Nader, McKinney, etc. who would truly make things right if elected, or at least put us further towards that direction than Obama WILL. But as others have said, they don't have the money or fame behind them.
Call me naive, but I do think that it is possible to elect our problems away. The problem is that the right people don't have the power or the wealth or the looks or the celebrity friends to get the duke. We can blame the people all we want, but when you mention their names, most people haven't heard of them. They're being shut out of the game. And it's sad because when I do talk about them to people and tell them that they are more progressive than Obama, they listen and wonder why they aren't on tv.
However, at this point in time, I think that electing the right people is going to be unlikely, so if truly beneficial change is going to come, it's going to be up to we the people to get involved. Obama may be the best candidate for Progess who has the best chance of getting elected, but he's not the very best we can do. He's not an ideal candidate politically.
Even if we elected Howard Zinn we'd still have a duty to monitor who's in charge and keep them accountable. But dammit, and maybe I'm whining here, it would be a helluva lot easier with someone like Kucinich as president wouldn't it?
Btw, I hope Obama proves me wrong and makes me eat my words.
The consensus is clear: Obama is a tool of the military-petro-pharma-banking complex and the only argument to vote for him is lesserevilism.
Let's get way past phony "across the aisle" "bringing both sides" together and "stop the bickering" delusions. The repugs have been wiping the floor with demo-rats for thirty years and don't play fair, hell they vote rig, engineer political indictments (Gov. Seigelman) and stack the courts and Justice department with political apparatchiks to do their hatchet work.
Both parties set aside their differences to kiss AIPAC's ass and trash the constitution. There's your bipartisnship at work.
Let's not even get started on Katrina, Iraq, Enron and Halliburton, there isn't enough space here and it's all public record.
The corporate grip on two-party dominance must be broken, and much as I'd rather see "Not-McCain" squatting in the Oval office instead of McCain-Bush, face it, it's all a kabuki play, giving and taking "hope" from the masses every 4-8 years by cycling repug corporates with demorat corporate candidates with phoney "elections."
"Hope" is for dopes and children, and political power does not emanate from a voting booth every four years or so, especially not here, not now, not after the corrupt spectacle we have witnessed in 2000 and 2004.
Lani Guenier was right and her career destroyed for pointing out that our "democracy" wasn't, and proportional voting is the civilized way to give representation to all our citizens.
Our political system is the laughingstock of the planet.
Ah, the swift-boating intensifies, and already the yahoos, blessed by the media, cluster behind McBush like so much skunk cabbage. After eight stinking years with Bush and the Republicans, like him or not, I'll take my chances with Obama. It's as simple as that.
There are many reasons to vote for Obama, but the best reason is that he is not George Bush or John McCain.
We heard the same "Not satisfied with the two-party system" frick and frack argument" in 2000. If the kind of thinking prevails advocated by the anti-Obama crowd in this forum denying Barrack is "pure" enough and is too much the politician for their sensitive noses, we will have Bush's third term to survive.
I am thankful for every person who has a liberal orientation in their political thinking, but it worries me that some are so suspicious of Obama. Sure, he is running to the center in the general election. I don't know for sure that he can live up to the promise he holds for me, but I know McCain believes too much in the glory of war and has little insight about the problems I think need solving. I also know that choice is between the two.
It makes political sense to decry the rape of children. I know that in some future time, capital punishment will not prevail, and the decision not to expand its use is a good one. But if applauding the decision means being seen a supportive of those convicted of baby rape, I would pander on this event as well.
If owning a gun makes you feel safer and you will vote against your economic interests for someone who campaigns on the 2nd Amendment, then fine. You now can find another issue to consider. Its clear, individuals have the right to possess firearms, period. Maybe, the Republicans won't own this wedge issue any more.
The race seems to be the Democrats to lose, this time. And we will, if enough correctly minded people take their eye off the ball whining about Dennis and Ralph's better ideology.
ty Time June 28th, 2008 5:26 pm write: "Ah, the swift-boating intensifies,..."
-Notice how Quality Time June 28th, 2008 5:26 pm cannot refute anything that is said about Obama but instead is so intellectually lazy that he dismisses it all as "swift boating".
Got anything better than that? Weak.
Can the Democratic Party apologist come up with anything better than lesseroftwoevilism?
iwarrior June 28th, 2008 4:54 pm
Thank you for the best compliment ever. You made some really good points.
"Obama may be the best candidate for Progess who has the best chance of getting elected, but he's not the very best we can do. He's not an ideal candidate politically."
-Without a doubt he is better than McCain but then we start engaging in lesseroftwoevilism which always gives us a lesser. The political system will simply will not allow any challenge to it. The "challengers" and "mavericks" always seem to become the establishment.
Until enough people say enough is enough nothing will change. If Obama gets elected four years from now we will still be at it: fighting wars in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and if you are as anti-war as I am, that is not going to be acceptable no matter how much better than McCain he is.
Voting Obama because you are afraid of four more years of Bush is fear-driven, is voting for nothing at all, and may...give you for more years of Bush policy.
It sure is beginning to look like it.
Jesus, you people have low expectations.
The reverence that this author shows for Obama is a bit nauseating -- and this is coming from someone who has cheered his candidacy and has sent money to his campaign, while recognizing that he's no Dennis Kucinich (my hero).
The reverence is nauseating because, first, as a lawyer, I find the awe with which people view an editorial position on a law review at a prestigious American law school to be ridiculously overblown. (And I was on one of these journals, so this is not sour grapes, okay?) The people who serve on these law journals are not gods. They're just people, usually bookish, studious, and aggressive. Doesn't make them saints. Doesn't make them geniuses. Stop treating them with such reverence.
Another thought I had about this article: I think it's incredibly sad that it took until the 1980's for a black person to be elected head of a law review.
The reverance for Obama is, IMO, also misplaced because he is not as wonderful as you make him out to be. I admire Obama for his gentle way, his refusal to get down in the gutter (like Clinton did), his intelligence, his oratory, and -- in some instances -- his positions on the issues (in speeches, if not in practice). But in the last few weeks, I have seen the "centrist/right" side of Obama displayed to the point that I have no hope that his true progressive nature will emerge after the November election (as I had hoped).
I cried the day he won the nomination, because I think his (likely) nomination as the Democratic candidate for the presidency is historic, and wonderful (though I fear for his safety). My mentor - now deceased, and a wonderful man and African American judge who dreamed of the day someone like Obama would make it to this point - is smiling down from Heaven (perhaps).
But I've never been completely starry eyed about Obama, because he's no Dennis Kucinich. Now the struggle for me is whether to vote for him (to prevent McCain from becoming President) or to vote my conscience, and vote for McKinney, or Nader, or not vote at all. As many have posted here, why would I vote for someone who doesn't reflect my values? Do I want to fall into the "lesseroftwoevilisms" again?
I'm sick to death of voting for someone who I don't agree with on fundamental issues of peace, justice and morality, just to prevent the election of someone I absolutely despise and fear. I like McKinney and think she's got balls as big as Kucinich does. Does she have the temperament? I'm not sure. Nader - I've very mixed feelings about him as our President. Among other things, I thought his comment about Obama trying to "talk white" was racist. But this is my struggle.
Of course, maybe it's a bogus struggle, because it doesn't matter who's elected President. That person doesn't run the country. The MIC does.
Idi Amin Dada, Papa Doc Duvalier and the wonderful Robert Mugabe, all started out as champions of altruism, so like what's the point?
Despite his serious flaws, I cannot equate Obama with those monsters Amin, Papa Doc and Mugabe. (Do these examples have something to do with the color of his skin? What's YOUR point?)
Boy you liberals are a bunch of whiners!
Take you head out of the sand and realize how politics works. Obama HAS to move to the center to get elected. Once elected with hopefully more Dems in Congress they can begin to get something done. The reThugs are already slamming him. Are you far left whiners going to screw the pooch?
I'm a liberal too but either this site has been invaded by trolls or you people need to get a grip. Politics is a dirty, dirty business and I believe Obama to be a good man. He knows what he's doing...
SandyK77, we've been down this road before, believing that a Democrat was playing to the center just to get elected and would revert to his true progressive beliefs once elected. It didn't work out that way. Please tell me why we should believe Obama is different than all the rest.
birdflewunder,
Thanks for candor and clarity in a short post. I don't recall seeing your comments here so much, but I do hope you'll weigh in more often. This place needs people who can see straight and speak straight---to counter the self-appointed critics of everything as you see above.
sandyk77, ditto to you for what I just wrote to birdflewunder. Great positive post. Please stay with us.
This, a supposedly "progressive" site is heavily populated with cynics who have given up and spend their days carping at anyone with "hope". I've been debating several of them for months. Wonderful to see others doing likewise.
There is what is becoming a routine and common part of the Democratic con. That is that many of their leaders were much more liberal or progressive in their younger years. This then is constantly referred back to and referenced when they've advanced to positions of power in the party. Along the way they will have completely changed their philosophies into those much more supportive of power and money. That's a given and a requirement for advancement very high up into that party.
Thus, we are constantly told all about how wonderful these people were 20 or 30 years ago. What great progressive back-benchers Pelosi and Obey 3were. How energetic Waxman and Conyers were as minority members of committees. Kerry's anti-war activities in the Vietnam era.
Of course, all of this is to mask the fact that they support and act on completely different policies now as people in positions of great power.
Do you think its a coincidence that this article about how Obama was interested in civil rights back in 1990 comes out at the same time he's casting a vote to take away more of our civil rights in the FISA bill? Nope, not a chance.
One question people should ask is why are we hearing about what these people did 20 or 30 years ago? Haven't they done anything fantasticly progressive since?
The other question people should ask is that we've quickly found out that we can't even trust Obama's statements from 6 months ago. Suddenly anything he said about say NAFTA that might have given hard pressed workers some hope that their jobs might stop going overseas is dismissed as "overheated rhetoric". If Obama has so massively changed so many stances between the primaries and the general election, how in the world can anything he did 20 years ago be of any relevance at all?
Lewis Black has the greatest line which applies nicely to what the corporate Dems offer ...
"KEEP FALSE HOPE ALIVE!"
Watch what the Democrats do (and don't do). They fund the war. They expand the President's powers to unconstitutionally spy on Americans. They do dang near anything any corporation that gives them money wants. Something like the telecom immunity bill looks more like scheme for the Democrats to shake down the telecoms for more contributions than anything intended to protect our rights. They don't proceed on items like impeachment.
The Democrats are a giant con. They pretend to offer hope. They pretend to offer opposition. The con is revealed when you stop listening to their words and start paying close attention to what they actually do.
"It makes political sense to decry the rape of children. I know that in some future time, capital punishment will not prevail, and the decision not to expand its use is a good one."
If I thought for one moment someone was decrying the rape of children for political purposes or that someone was suggesting it...................
Hell isn't large enough to hold scum like that.
sandyk77:
Well said. So well said, I'll cut and paste your post again below.
"Boy you liberals are a bunch of whiners!
Take you head out of the sand and realize how politics works. Obama HAS to move to the center to get elected. Once elected with hopefully more Dems in Congress they can begin to get something done. The reThugs are already slamming him. Are you far left whiners going to screw the pooch?
I'm a liberal too but either this site has been invaded by trolls or you people need to get a grip. Politics is a dirty, dirty business and I believe Obama to be a good man. He knows what he's doing…"
But still, with all that said (only somewhat a bit more simply than I did earlier and above), we'll see his true colors in time.
Here's to hoping for a Champion of peace and truth and sustainable prosperity.
anne faith:
In response to your post: because as individuals, we all are free to choose. It's called free will, and either the whole outhouse is going to go up in flames and force a revolution, or else some clever real progressive will have to sneak into position with a lot of pandering and posturing. These are two possibilities. Another is that the whole earth and society will go down the tubes, which is possibly the most likely if one of the first two don't take place.
I guess "progressive" doesn't necessarily mean "beyond closed minded thinking." Stick to your labels and stereotypes and negative thinking. That will get us far. You go girl, oh Anne of little Faith and all others who can't think beyond their negative I've-been-there-and-done-that-boxes. You may end up right, but you might not. Manifest negativity and it comes to you. Keep it up and stay miserable. Maybe you'll probably be right, and then I hope you enjoy patting yourselves on your backs for being correct that we'll just keep going down the tubes. But if you're wrong and Obama is in your eyes a winner, then you win there without all the backpatting.
We have what we have as our candidate options. Put some postive energy, activism, and dialogue to work and let's do what we can for change, rather than more of the same BS negativity. Good God, where would some people be if they had a good progressive president, about whom they couldn't complain. They'd probably turn into Republicans.
Get him into office and keep his feet to the fire anytime he gets out of line and make loud noises when he does something positive. Keep up the protests, the Winter Soldier gatherings, the letters to the editor. Be activists. Be Active! Be more active than when Bush was (past tense...I'm moving on) in office. Serve our communities and build community strength and vitality. Volunteer for anything benevolent. Take a risk with direct action if you've got the guts. Speak out when it's not comfortable, but know what the hell you're talking about. Get arrested or at least put yourself in the position of getting arrested for civil disobedience.
If our society was more willing to get on the front lines here at home, we might actually see some change. I am thankful for the thousands of our citizens who are willing, but there needs to be more. We need solidarity. Someone should start a television/cable/satellite disabling direct action group. What a message they would have. And if they were successful, you could only hear about it on the radio (community radio from coast to coast) and in the papers.
Such fantasy.
Here's to peace and kindness and hope and sustainable prosperity. With or without Obama.
Samson June 28th, 2008 10:11 pm fairly nails it.
"Do you think its a coincidence that this article about how Obama was interested in civil rights back in 1990 comes out at the same time he's casting a vote to take away more of our civil rights in the FISA bill? Nope, not a chance."
Hey Samson notice how the lament from the Democratic-Republican apologists is never that their candidate is selling out but instead that we notice it?
The only hope for solidarity is if we break the "wedge issues" divide.
The only hope for Restoration of the Republic is for people to stop being led by TV into an excessive focus on the "president" that turns that office into almost (or really, more than) a Kingship.
The ENTIRE U.S. House of Representitives is up for Election this Autumn.
A solid THIRD of the U.S. Senate is up for Election as well.
That's what, four-hundred and sixty offices open?
And that's just in the Federal layer of Government, think about the State Houses, the County Commisioners, the Mayors, the Council seats, the School Board and the friggin dog-catcher.
That adds thousands more.
And what do I see on this website and so many others -day in and day out, endlessly- Obama/McCain, Obama/McCain(nader), Obama/McCain(mckinney), Obama/McCain, Obama, Obama, Obama!
Now we've gotten into the "sublime" level of fluff-piece crap, Obama's Silver(but still half-black, so you can still like him lefties!) Spoon College Days!
Speculation by the author about things Obama may have written or helped write twenty years ago about stuff we're supposed to care about!
Hoo-flippin'-ray.
You saw Obama on TV, liked the product, and decided to buy it.
Great. Fantastic. Yeah.
Now can we talk about the Election of the next Congress of the United Effin' States of America for a few minutes?
They are only going to like, y'know, WRITE THE LAWS THAT WE ARE GOVERNED BY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
They're kinda important.
And we get:
"It is tempting to detect the young Obama's hand in a few of the many unsigned articles and book reviews. "
Sheesh! Double Sheesh!
I'm going to go have fun now, bye.
-matti.
The case for hoping enough Americans vote for Obama that he is elected and takes office:
1. End torture.
2. Restoration of habeaus corpus.
3. $500/$1000 cut of the payroll tax for the working poor. (Vision of changing payroll tax from regressive to flat-tax, with implementation of lifting income ceiling cap over 250K.)
4. Movement on health care.
5. Prochoice.
6. African-American constituency (among others), which is to say, a less-imperialist constituency (among others).
7. Proposes to end income tax entirely for all over-55 earning under 50,000 (from labor).
And last but not least,
8. He is not a fascist! (McCain may not personally be a fascist either, as distinguished from unreflective, ignorant, and a loose cannon, but he is deeply in bed with real fascists for whom he is the agent of choice for regime continuity.)
A vote for worthy third party candidates is not about, as erroneously argued, a vote for a different kind of regime in power in America, for (as everyone knows) no third party candidate is going to be elected president. It is about casting a moral voice in favor of a losing candidate's platform while boycotting the actual choice in play (between the two major candidates), comparable to writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper in favor of those same positions.
Obama is good, and has some good people backing him (Kennedy, Carter, McGovern...). Could be the last train stop America gets before hard fascism. America could do a lot worse than Obama. Lesser-evilism? Of course it is. As Chomsky has said, small differences can have major consequences for hundreds of millions of people. I think Obama does give a glimmer of hope for America, and potentially, as someone above said, a great president. The alternative is the abyss . . .
M A T T I,
WE are ( right now ) creating exactly that reality that you wrote about.
Check out these quite similar resonant ideas, also about wedging our creative forces of intention and attention to shift the drifting crapolla of the jacka$$ stream media self-serving buffet of malarky, balderdash, and bu$h!t -- that has been up until NOW,
… causing us to slip further from our core values, morality, and hopes and dreams, into the abyss of unmentionable cruelty, mass murder of innocents, egregious suffering, crass avariciously inclined warmongering, and continual attention to those idiotic dreams of trampling of America's constitution ( which IS NOT JUST A PIECE OF PAPER ) and invading other countries against all truthful facts and our common connection of human kindness.
See the 〓 〓 〓 P E O P L E __ C R E A T I N G __ C H A N G E 〓 〓 〓
thread, where a bit earlier than this posting's time, I placed three segments together,
That piece together for me the bigger picture that I've been striving to reach for months.
PLEASE DO CHOSE BETTER + POSITIVE + THOUGHTS +
+ + + EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY + + +
FOR THE REST OF YOUR GLORIOSULY _ J O Y O U S _
AND EXUBERANTLY _L O V E - F I L L E D _ LIVES
.
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
mkay, let me get this right...
Neocon, or no neocon...
sounds like a really hard choice to make...
if you're fine with mcsame, go ahead and vote for your third party candidate, remember what good that did in 2000?... If you don't want mcsame, cast a ballot for the guy who called this bullshit in iraq correctly from the start.
to like-minded folk, grow a spine and play politics the way it is played against our ideals and beliefs.
no candidate is ever perfect....EVER....
Did any of you sign a pledge stating you would not vote for or support any politican that would not bring the occupation of Iraq to a speedy end? Well, I did. I'm tired of feeling so goddamn shitty for living in a country where there is no justice or peace. I wish the people of Iraq and elsewhere could know how bad I feel for them. I also hope they can understand how this is out of my control. It's obvious to me, that Obama doesn't feel the way I do.
Scroller (1:22 a.m.), thank you for your post. It is the best response to the question I posed (and without telling me to get my head out of my ass). Thanks.
scroller June 29th, 2008 1:22 am ....If one consistently votes for compromise, how can radical change (which is needed as the result of an out of control corporatocracy) ever take place? All these minute steps forward are SO overwhelmed by the momentum and the power of the incredibly corrupt established system.
I don't get it, folks. There are only two choices available. Vote for Obama, whether you hope he'll do something right or fear he's in the same pockets as the rest of them or get REAL SERIOUS about revolution. Or both. Third party possibilities aren't as long as we have a majority winner takes all system in place. They work in parliamentary democracies and might even marginally work if we changed to instant runoff voting. Under the present system, they must become the "other" party, defeating completely the party from which they emerged to be anything but spoilers. That's the reality of this primitive form of "democracy" we have, thanks to the US Constitution, a document with 10 positive points that is otherwise nothing but a flawed prototype for something that never materialized.
On the other hand, revolution only requires about 5% of the people to be dedicated and ready to fight and die. If they're pacifists, make that maybe 15% ready to die. The majority of people are and will remain sheep, especially with the influence of the media and the slow strangulation of the economy that doesn't really impact most people with political views to the point of starvation and homelessness yet.
The obvious stand is not just to vote for Obama but work for him: infiltrate, steal email lists, organize and agitate in his online and local groups, neighbor with sympathizers within his crews, advocate real solutions to others, etc. Then see if he's malleable after the election while procuring the best weapons you can find and afford and learning how to use them. Any other position is either naive hope or impotent anger.
The million dollar question is of course...Is Barack Obama telling the truth? Does he himself really believe what he is saying to the citizens of the USA and indeed the world? Myself I am not sure...I really have no idea. If he is truly paying lip service, he is doing an excellent job! If he is a truly honest politician, that would be historic - as well as his decision with regards to refusing public financing for his campaign. Make no mistake - Barack Obama is approaching politics in a unique way. What this will translate to - IF he becomes President - will be interesting to witness.
What ultimately disturbs me about Obama is not knowing FOR CERTAIN whether or not he is serious. One thing is for sure though, he would be a 180 when compared to George Bush Jr. Be for or against Obama all you want, but no one can dare say that Obama is like George Bush Jr. Obama is articulate, had a REAL education, charismatic, AND writes his own speeches from what I hear. He portrays himself very differently from George Bush Jr. What this means is yet to be seen. Like I have said before, Obama is a very good actor and I am not sure if he is paying lip service or not - this questioning in my mind alone - is what I DO like about him. He is mysterious. People do not REALLY know what he is about. If he does become President of the USA - I hope he will have the courage and the integrity to do all in his power as President of the USA to "clean up" the USA.
It kills me to read these comments that drome on about "thinking positive," and giving Obama a "chance," and having "hope" as if this power of WISHING WILL MAKE THINGS HAPPY.
You may as well "think positive" about a McCain presidency, or Hitler, it's just as relevant.
Grow up.
Davejonez at 8:15 am states that "If you don't want McSame, cast a ballot for the guy who called this bullshit in Iraq correctly from the start." It may be difficult to discover a statement that is more hypocritical than this one. What Davejonez conveniently neglects to mention is that the [alleged] agent for hope and change has voted each and every time to continue funding the occupation for Iraq, which thereby ensures that more soldiers will be returning to this country in coffins and even more of them missing their arms and legs and becoming brain damaged and paralyzed and severely burned and blinded and disfigured and crippled and suffering from PTSD. Not exactly the best way of supporting those troops by an [alleged] antiwar candidate, now is it?
scroller June 29th, 2008 1:22 am writes:
"The case for hoping enough Americans vote for Obama that he is elected and takes office:
1. End torture.
2. Restoration of habeaus corpus..."
http://www.americantorture.com/2008/05/want-to-end-torture-call-obama.html
Obama has spoken out against torture, but his record is most troubling. Like Clinton, he was not in Washington during the February CIA torture vote. But that's not all. Below is a revealing post by Guantanamo lawyer, Candace Gorman, whose client I've discussed here. A few months back, she posted "A Word About Obama". She wrote:
Obama has potential and of course I will vote for him if he is the democratic candidate but Obama is NOT the poster child for doing the right thing for the men at Guantanamo. Let me start out by saying that I am from Illinois and when he ran for senate I worked on his behalf… it was exciting when he won that hotly contested senate seat… and then he went to the senate...
His very first vote was for Condi Rice and it went down hill from there… He later voted for either Roberts or Alito (for the Supreme Court) and the outcry from his constituents seemed to give him pause on the other ….
Most importantly he voted for the Detainee Treatment Act (DTA)…. That was the first attempt by congress to do away with habeas corpus...
The list goes on. His official mentor was Liebermann….until Liebermann lost the democratic nomination for his own senate seat.
I met up with Obama at a luncheon/fundraiser in Chicago in the late spring of 2006 (before he decided to run for president) I asked him if he heard a deep sigh coming from the people of Illinois every time he voted… He looked at me in surprise and I started ticking off the things he voted for… and against…. that were very disappointing… (I remembered many of them at that time..)
When I got to the DTA I said to him "I can't believe that you, as a civil rights attorney yourself, would vote to take away the writ of habeas corpus"and his unfortunate response was "it was going to pass anyway"… I was quite shocked that he made that statement and asked him if that was his "new standard" ... anyway the conversation went downhill from there (ok maybe it wasn't exactly uphill at any point…)
We all vote need to vote our conscience …. Or, if nothing else... pragmatically….
But Obama should not be held up to what he isn't and he should not be portrayed as some kind of hero for the gitmo detainees…
by the way Obama did not even bother to show up for the ban on waterboarding a week ago…. [emphasis added]
If that doesn't deflate Obama as an anti-torture candidate-- I don't know what does.
S L A G G E R
The revolution will _n o t_ be televised, because:
__ it is an internal state of mind,
__ it is a perceptual re-AWKENING
__ it is a dynamic creation of intention,
__ by paying close attention to one's
__ focused positive thoughts
We bring about change w/o any need for armaments, or seizure of battlements.
Their are more choices in this vast universe, than can may fit into one's limiting belief systems ( to phrase upon the bard )
Regardless of the physical voting for Obama,
… you've a psychic non-physical "vote" that creates the Prez Obama that we all so much would love to adore in his loving brilliance and leadership, to bring forth justice and instill a new generation of moral compasses into our hearts and minds.
The real dawning of a new age,
__ starts first and foremost
__ within each of us
Namaste « Presence »
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King