First let me say that the war today has nothing to do with Israel, and the routine anti-Israel rhetoric serves only as a distraction. Think a minute. Israel is one tiny country, the sole Jewish homeland, surrounded by rich Arab nations that make up the rest of the Mideast. And there isn't much oil in Israel. Any war in the Mideast increases the danger to Israel. The current war(s) by the US are unquestionably NOT in Israel's best interests.

That said, please note that our government has absolutely no interest in protecting Israel. The US is not an ally of Israel. Our government has sold far more weapons to the Arab nations than Israel (With friends like that...), and provided far more aid (military and otherwise) to the Arab nations, knowing that this would be used against Israel. Those who are interested in conspiracy theories can say that the goal of the US is simply to take control of Arab oil, upon which virtually all of our economic system depends.

Gerry,

Thank you for your post. I have read it carefully twice. I won't argue with you because it's obvious you know what you're talking about and you're out of my league. I would like to make one modest comment, though:

It's a historical fact that European Jews were over-represented in the medieval money lending industry. It was one of the few professions they were allowed to have. Therefore, the fact that a lot of the present day financial elites happen to be Jewish is of no surprise whatsoever. It could hardly have been otherwise. My point is that we ought to be able to be anti-global financial elite (I am) without being smeared with the label anti-semitic (I most certainly am not.) In my entire life, I have only known three Jews. (I'm from Alabama.) I am neither pro-semitic nor anti-semitic. The concept of being either for OR against a large random collection of people, AS a large random collection of people, is just plain silly on many different levels. Therefore, the syllogism:
"Richard Cook is anti-global elite financier.
Many global elite financiers, due to the accidents of European history, are Jewish.
Therefore, Richard Cook is anti-semitic, and is '….linking all this up to a long term covert plan by Jewish Usurers and Gold Merchants in London, going right back to the Middle Ages, to enslave and destroy the world and to corrupt the "Christian Nations"… ' " seems a little unfair. Yet, if I read correctly what you wrote, this pretty much sums up (a part of) what you said.

I have a feeling that the global elite financiers who happen to be Jewish consider themselves global elites first and foremost, and hardly think about their Jewishness at all. Therefore, Richard Cook and I ought to be able to do the same without be labeled "anti-semitic".

Thank you again for your kind and thoughtful reply to my question.

Bup Majerski

Bup Majersky. here are a few extracts from a couple of Richard Cook's article's on GlobalResearch :

"This article postulates the existence of a coordinated and longstanding matrix set up by the controllers of money to dominate the movements of history (sic). The article focuses particularly on what seems to have been an attack that has been going on for over a century against the independence of the nations of Russia and the U.S."
The present analysis postulates that the takeover of Russia, whose backbone was the alliance among the House of Romanoff, the Orthodox Church, the land-owing nobility, and thousands of self-governing peasant communes, was one of two major projects which the financiers set out to accomplish in the early 20th century in a longer-range plan to dominate the globe. The other was the control and eventual destruction of the United States of America. That project may be reaching fruition through the ongoing and seemingly purposeful financial meltdown of 2008. "

"It was this elite, acting through Western banks, which appears to have surreptitiously provided the wherewithal for Lenin and Trotsky to destroy the Russian nation after the fall of the Tsarist regime at the end of World War I. "

"Both Russia and the U.S. were largely Christian nations, with a sizeable portion of the American population, especially recent immigrants, being members of the Roman Catholic faith. For centuries nothing had been a greater obstacle to the financial control of nations through war and finance than the Christian religion and its teachings against usury"

"By the early 20th century, the bankers of Europe had a mission before them. If Russia and the U.S. could be controlled, nothing would stand in the way of the rule of humanity by the materialistic pseudo-religion of power and wealth by which the financiers were obsessed. "

"Lending of money at interest was often left to the European Jews, where statements in various scriptures, such as the Talmud, appeared to allow the practice when dealing with non-Jews. Some argue that the Vatican worked behind the scenes by using Jews as fronts for their own lending operations. "

"With the First Zionist Congress of 1897, one of the financiers' geopolitical goals became to support the creation of the nation of Israel , at least partly to dominate the world's crossroads in the oil-rich Middle East . The oil was needed to fuel the British navy. "

"As the 20th century advanced, the financier elite became heavily involved in getting rich off world war and the manufacture of the new weapons of mass destruction that modern technology made possible. Warfare and weaponry, combined with control of credit manufactured through the leveraging of industrial production, were to be the primary means of putting nations and their populations into debt. A materialistic slave society was being created, which books like 1984 warned against. Humanity was lured into compliance through the fantasy world brought about by the mass media by means of advertising, cinema, and television. Another enticement was the growing availability of mass-produced consumer goods. "

"It was the financier-controlled press which goaded President Woodrow Wilson into taking the nation into World War I on the side of England and France. But it was also part of the financiers' plan to shift the apparent focal point of their financial power from London to New York . This was done through the financing of the war by loans made to the European combatants by the New York banks. "

"During and after World War I, world financial power shifted to the New York banks through which, however, it would be the London-based elite exerting de facto control. It might also be said that starting with U.S. entry into World War I, once you look past the patriotic slogans, the U.S., its vast productivity, and the blood of its population have been used in making this country the worldwide military enforcer of international financier domination. "

"Stalin had shown his "Bonapartist" tendencies by favoring "Socialism in one country," as well as by his deadly purges of the financier-controlled Trotskyite faction and his shocking rapprochement with Hitler in 1939 that seemed to foil the financiers' intent to play off Nazi Germany and the Soviets against each other."

"Both during and after the war, operatives from the international financial elite centered in London were the linchpins of a worldwide matrix of spying, assassination, terrorism, industrial espionage, psy ops, media manipulation, and monetary control. This included financing the founding of Israel as the Western bridgehead in the Middle East in 1948."

"Then, after President John F. Kennedy moved to forestall the neocolonialist Vietnam conflict and replace the Federal Reserve with a U.S. system of silver-backed Treasury currency, he was shot dead in Dallas 's Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. "

"It has been thoroughly documented that since World War II the Western intelligence agencies, all with close ties to the financial world, particularly the New York and London investment banks, have been responsible for engendering wars, revolutions, and mayhem in countries around the world, causing the deaths of millions of people in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and southeastern Europe."

"Meanwhile, the worldwide arms industry, also under financier control, have produced the greatest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction ever seen. After Kennedy was killed, the U.S. moved to arm Israel as the leading military power of the region. Today nuclear weapons have proliferated, with Israel , Pakistan , and India becoming nuclear powers in addition to the U.S. , Russia , Britain , China , and France ."

"The Kissinger plan also made the U.S. dependent on Middle Eastern oil and turned it into the muscle behind the financiers' ambition for Israel to dominate the region. So now Americans, who had liberated Europe from the Nazis, had to fight and die for the financiers in the Middle East . The final conquest of Iraq , starting in 2003, and the planned war against Iran are the latest phases. "

"After this, the only bubble left for an economy that appears to be entering terminal depression may be the current fuel/food bubble that could result in the starvation of millions worldwide. Now the longstanding ambition of the financier elite for the destruction of the American republic may finally be realized—with a lot of help, of course, from their American friends. "

"Can it be that the last stage of the U.S. takedown is "The Project for the New American Century"? Is this ambitious plan for "global leadership" through military might that was seemingly invented by the "neocons"—many with dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship—a Trojan Horse?

It certainly appears that with 9/11 as a pretext, the neocons suckered the U.S. into the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as a means of military occupation of the Middle East . Certainly 9/11 and the Iraq invasion benefited Israel, as some Israeli politicians have frankly stated.

Were the neocons also acting on behalf of the financial controllers in London and elsewhere? And was one reason the neocons were so eager to engage in a "clash of civilizations" against the Islamic world the Koranic prohibition of usury which states, "Those who charge Usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that Usury is the same as commerce. However, God permits commerce, and prohibits Usury." (Koran, Al-Baqarah 2:275)"

"The last official act of this phase could well be the ultimate insanity of a U.S. attack on Iran . If successful, this would complete the Western conquest of the Middle East but may start a larger conflict that could eventually force the U.S. to withdraw its forces once the money runs out. Israel would then be at liberty to sweep in to dominate a region that U.S. military power had devastated. "

"As far as the U.S. is concerned, the financiers will have used us for a century, then thrown us in the trash. The U.S. may well be replaced by China, which the financiers seem to be grooming as the world's next military enforcer. China has the advantage of an absolutist one-party system which has achieved remarkable success in terrorizing its huge population into obedience and passivity. The financiers would not hesitate to sacrifice hordes of Chinese to fight both Russia and what may remain of the U.S. By this time, the European Union will likely have its own unified nuclear deterrent to protect the financial centers. The time may come when there will be Chinese bases in the U.S. as occupiers/military police. "

"The wisest and safest course for U.S. foreign policy could be a new alliance with Russia that would rekindle our affinity with that nation from over a century ago. But how likely is this in a world ruled by the financiers where the destruction of the two nations is a long-term goal?"

"One of the tools of financier domination in the meantime will likely be worldwide famine engineered by artificial shortages. This has already started and may cause hundreds of millions of people to die and their resources to be seized. The smokescreens for this will not only be peak oil but also global warming as a means of dealing with the world's "surplus eaters." Numerous non-profits and NGOs are greasing the skids with their insistent lobbying against even responsible economic development.

Now in the U.S. we will likely see riots, panic, martial law, plagues, epidemics, and prison camps, much of which has already begun with police crackdowns, anti-terrorist exercises, declining public health, erosion of civil liberties, and the world's largest prison population. "

"We have been used and abused, though often suckered into it by our own stupidity and greed. We have allowed ourselves to serve the will of an alien force—the world's financial elite. Our payback now appears to be a looming national catastrophe"
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Woven into this conspiracy vision of recent world history, is the classic Tzarist Russian anti-semitic narrative, which claims that since the middle ages, a cabal of bloodthirsty Jewish financiers and usurers have conspired, out of sheer greed and lust for power, to destroy the world, wreak chaos, starvation and mayhem, pervert Christian values and dominate the planet. Note the references to the Talmud.

This is the theme of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and contains all the classic blood libels against Jews - even claiming that the Bolshevik Revolution was also part of this Jewish plot ( hey guess what - Marx was a jew, so therefore..... he must have been in league with the gold merchants...duh...). Although there is a strategic alliance between the Bush oil & military complex, US supremacists and Israel, with the Neoconservatives providing the intellectual architecture and the Christian Right roped in as cannon-fodder (I call this "the Raft of the Medusa"), and although these apprentice sorcerers have fancifully (and very incompetently) been trying to create a New World Order with the US as the New Rome, starting with their oil grab in the Middle ideast, what Richard Cook is doing is linking all this up to a long term covert plan by Jewish Usurers and Gold Merchants in London, going right back to the Middle Ages, to enslave and destroy the world and to corrupt the "Christian Nations" (allow me to laugh a hollow laugh).

Ruling cliques conspire to manipulate people's minds all over the world (not just in the USA) - the Left needs to be careful that in their legitimate anger against the policies of Bush and of the current Israeli leadership, they don't get tunnel vision and end up themselves being manipulated by people with an agenda that has nothing at all to do with the left - in fact which is in total opposition to its values.

What I'm saying here is - please be cautious about the sources you use - the conspirators are not always those you're thinking of and your so-called friends may be your worst enemies.

One thing gets my goat in particular - this anti-semitic conspiracy theorist evokes George Orwell to back up his nasty little narrative. Well George Orwell was a man - one of the few in history - for whom truth was more important than political allegiance - he criticized the founding of the State of Israel and was one of the early anti-zionists - yet at the same time he firmly denounced European antisemitism, bacause he hated racism in ALL its forms.

AIPAC is not only a strong, powerful, rich, organization -- they are dangerous. They have most of our elected representatives eating from their trogh and brainwashed to believe that support of Israel is paramount to stablization of the MiddleEast. Any logical thinking person knows that the opposite is true and they better wake up pretty soon and lay down the law, or we are in for major problems.

Russia and China, which six years ago were minor players in the scheme of things are now major players with more power than the US, individually as well as collectively. Although China would rather not get involved, strategically they need all the oil they can get from the MidEast and will use their power, economically and militarily if necessary to stop the two trouble makers.
I hope that they will both use their power diplomatically to urge both Israel and its naughty little partner to layoff or else.

Jerry,

Re: "...wacky conspiracy theories but also plenty of classical Russian antisemtic propaganda (check Richard Cook's articles for instance)... "

I think I must have read everything Richard Cook has ever posted on the internet. Please give me ONE example of his anti-semitism.

Thanks

Damn you Corvo! You beat me to the punch. That was exactly what I was going to post.

At least I can say great minds really do think alike.

to answer the title question:

Duh!

Yep Ken

You can, by reading between the lines, discover plenty of useful information on the MSMs.
We also have excellent information sites like Zednet, Naomi klein's site, Counterpunch, etc...
Wouldn't it be ironic that the Left gets its information about the US from an Russian nationalist propaganda site?

To see just how biased Globalresearch is, try to find anything critical of Serbia, of the Russian intervention aka massacre in Cecnya, of Putin's economic or military policies. Check out the articles on Women's Rights. Guess which two countries get the most coverage regarding abuse of women's rights in the world ? Irak under the US occupation and...Israel - 3 articles. Practically no other country gets a mention. Now you can blame Israel for many things - the strangulation of the palestinians, the settlement agenda, the West bank slush fund, the abuse of prisoners and the execution of political opponents - but as regards women's rights within Israel, it's by a long chalk one of the mildest offenders.

The irony is that it was the US Milton Friedmanite Chicago boys who engineered the neo-liberal shock therapy in Russia that led to the rise of the capitalist oligarchy, putting Putin at the helm. The new Russian bourgeoisie are no different in any way from the corporate hoods that have wrested the steering wheel of the US juggernaut from the people.

One day, out of sheer expediency, Putin will make a deal with his US cronies to share the spoils - and Globalresearch will leave all those who have been naively swallowing its narrative high and dry and will turn against them.

The Left should not be fighting on the side of one corrupt regime against another - our enemies are the people who have seized power in their own narrow class interests throughout the planet. Our struggle is for a government of the people, for the people - and nowhere on the planet today can we find a regime that fits this criteria.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080629/n_top_news/news_bush_iran_report_col

Any other stupid questions?

Thank Arvy. False alarm. They are still up.

Gerry, I agree. That and many other dubious "info" sites proffered here are harmful.

Despite all the constant railing here against the MSM, I think that thorough and accurate info can indeed be gleaned from the same MSM sources that feed the appetites of Joe and Sally and Gus and Rita on the streets. It's all about how to absorb the newscasts. They don't lie; they simply collude and "encrypt" the facts across a matrix of regional, temporal, and other parameters with surgical precision.

The 82 Democrats/corporate stooges voting on orders from AIPAC are not representatives of the US people and should be lobbied mercilessly, maybe even impeached, since they are committing a form of treason in the name of a foreign power - treason which might well signify the end of the US as a significant world player. Of course this is just the US - without support from Europe and the rest of the world, it will be extremely hard to enforce such a resolution - and no one in their right minds in the rest of the world is going to support the US here, except maybe the British lap dog and Micronesia.

However, we should not become completely paranoid - there is very strong opposition to any attack on Iran within the US - including among the top brass - and the Democrats have clearly signalled to Bush that impeachment would be the automatic result. A lot of this is posturing and sabre-rattling, in the hope of getting Iran to bend. The attack on Iran has been predicted, with precise dates, equipment, attack plans, etc...at least 5 times since 2002.

I'd also like to point that those posting articles from the website "GlobalResearch" ought to be extremely careful about the information being carried on that site.

It doesn't take much of a scroll around to realize that that site is a propaganda platform for Putin's Russia (ie: the former KGB) and hosts not only a lot of wacky conspiracy theories but also plenty of classical Russian antisemtic propaganda (check Richard Cook's articles for instance). Even though a certain number of rather naive respectable writers such as Avnery write here, anything from this site needs to be analysed with extreme caution.

Here in Europe, we have seen some remarkable shifts of the political landscape - trotskyists becoming neo-conservatives, maoists becoming extreme right wing antisemites, etc... The US Left needs to avoid confusing it's legitimate outrage and opposition against the corporate lobbies who are hollowing out the American State in their own interests and spurring wars all over the planet in the interests of their military-industrial disaster complex, with the propaganda of the gangster capitalist oligarchy driving the state in Russia.

A failure to examine your sources carefully is likely to lead you into a well-prepared trap that will discredit everything you stand for.

I'm not sure about the Democrats, but I know the Republicans are hell bent on another war, probably with Iran, the more to line their pockets.

There has never been any evidence that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons, before or after 2003.
Iran has complied with the IAEA inspections.

The Bush junta creates its own reality, and even "progressives" fall for it.
http://www.ronsuskind.com/articles/000106.html

Don't EVER forget the missing nuclear armed cruise missile. If that puppy ever hit a liberal US CIty, it would be very hard to disprove the US Government's contention that it came from Iran; and the war is on.

We've used black ops to get into wars, or to expand wars, since "Remember the Maine," perhaps before. It works quite well. Remember what Goering told Gustave Gilbert at Nuremberg, 18 April, 1946

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same for any country."

Goebbels said, "Tell a big enough lie often enough and eventually it becomes the truth." Who says our "leaders" don't learn from the past?

This is a great review of the news by Sarah van Gelder, much appreciated!
This reads like America's, perhaps humanity's, The Last Hurrah.

braithwa842 June 28th, 2008 4:57 am -- 'I notice that information clearing house has been taken off line. The domain name seems to have been removed from the core domain servers. I dont know if the website has been removed. Anyone have their IP number? The last time they cut off unfavourable news was during the Iraq war.'

It appears to be a problem with ICH's own server rather than a domain name system problem. In my own case at least, I can still get a DNS IP address lookup as follows.

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: informationclearinghouse.info
Address: 207.44.245.159

SEND MESSAGE TO AHMADINEJAD AND ASK IF IRAN'S PEACE OFFER FROM 2003 AND THEIR SUPPORT OF FISSBAN IS STILL VALID!!!
http://zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/18029

CRIMSON

i think you should send your post to george 'wanker' bush (with kind permission of mordechai shiblikov).........just in case he doesn't realize the consequences of attacking iran. you know, he might have been busy lately...........

Gelder writes... "So with the case for attacking Iran in tatters, why are congressional Democrats taking up the cause?"

Only two reasons fit. Either it is because many Democrats practice corporate fealty full time or else because the Democrat actually believes the corporate MSM misinformation delivered to them 24-7.

As the author notes, this says it all:

"Why are 96 House Democrats (along with 111 House Republicans) co-sponsoring this resolution? Aren't these the Democrats who rode into majorities in both houses on public revulsion against war in the Middle East?"

I suspect the Democrats to widen the Middle East war by giving Bush a green light to strike Iran before he leaves.

The only question is: why will the sheeple keep voting against their own interest and elect Democrats or Republicans? It staggers the mind. But then again, sheep will remain sheep.

It's time we stopped the silence on Israel's war crimes. Let everyone in Congress know that the people oppose AIPAC and no one who votes the AIPAC line will get progressive votes. Talk about support for terrorism! AIPAC is about as fanatical as they come. Our own government is selling the US taxpayer down the river to help the Israeli hawks keep the land they've been stealing from Arabs for 60 years. It's time to stop this madness! Watch gas prices shoot to $10.gal if Israel bombs Iran--with US support,

Simple as this: bush (and when I say bush, I mean cheney and possibly rumsfeld, wolfowitz and the same bunch of nutheads who planned the illegal Iraq invasion and occupation) will attack Iran before the Nov elections or have israel start the confrontation. It's all about oil and control of territory. And they never plan for consequences after the initial shock and awe.

I notice that information clearing house has been taken off line.
The domain name seems to have been removed from the core domain servers.
I dont know if the website has been removed. Anyone have their IP number?
The last time they cut off unfavourable news was during the Iraq war.

Question: "why are congressional Democrats taking up the cause?"
Answer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

Hey, I have an idea. Let's deprive Iran of all other energy so they have to go nuclear. Oh, wait, the United States is already doing that.

Son to congreesman, "What did you do in the war Daddy?"
Congressman, "I was a tool of AIPAC."

It is heartening, at least, to see that there are still intelligent, caring people in this country that see where this "train" is headed. Almost everyone I talk to about this seems to believe that the rush to war is "just to scare Iran!".

Unfortunately, they said the same thing about wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Apparently they don't understand the pathological hatred by the neocons for Iran. And the oil to fuel the empire. Israel's security is just an excuse, since attacking Iran almost assures Israel's destruction.

Isn't there some way to "de-rail" this train at the Democratic Convention?
--

a former Republican now in a 12 step recovery program . . .

Sarah van Gelder says,

"Claims that Iran was arming insurgents fell apart due to flimsy evidence — weapons that were supposedly supplied by the Iranian government appear to have been purchased on the open market or acquired through means other than official Iranian support."

Emphasis on 'appear to have been purchased on the open market', for [appearance] is about all there is to it; nothing really substantial like what we learn of really having been going on in Iraq all along and deeply dark and covert it has been, although some instances have been well exposed.

I made a post on an article of June 25th and for precisely what I'm referring to. Simply read the article linked in the post, and for people not wanting to read the whole post, then, after the article, skip down to where I mention the related and very important Brussels Tribunal (BT) index, which provides many links, followed by a compilation of copies of important articles from many enough different websites and authors.

Actually, given there's no point in reading the whole post, but only to get the article link and the BT reference, I'll just copy these and re-provide them at the bottom of this post.

IT'S A-LA 'SALVADOR OPTION (IN IRAQ) EXPOSED'; minimally with respect to Iraq, and these covert US and UK ops don't only target Iraqis! They have also killed many enough U.S. troops, perhaps also U.K. troops.

With both resources, readers learn that NOT all Iraqi Resistance really are or were of the real Iraqi Resistance; another aspect of the covert, black ops of the US and UK, and to try to cause demonisation of the real Resistance.

Covertly, they supplied vehicles stolen from the US to their covert, black ops actors in Iraq, and this surely also happened with respect to weapons; besides some UK, and likely US, covert soldiers actually committing roadside and car bombings in Iraq, and likely the same with the mosques that were bombed. Who ever bombed the mosques, it was not true Iraqis, but part of the West's imperialistic and hellishly extreme, psychopathic covert ops. It all has relationship to 'divide and conquer', and it was clear early on that the US really wanted to drive civil war in Iraq; it's one or the reason why they succeeded in getting Iraqis no longer in Iraq to return and covertly work for the US, by killing both Shi'ite and Sunni Iraqis. The article my post of the other day links to is by Andrew G. Marshall and he quotes from a former officer of Saddam's military. The guy had basically deserted and went to either Saudi Arabia or Egypt to live, and that's where he came in communication with US covert orchestrators who wanted Iraqis like this one to return to Iraq to kill both Shi'ite and Sunni Iraqis in order to try to cause civil war.

The BT index, the first articles in the compilation of many, provides information I had read about the two covert UK soldiers who were caught entering Basra in Sept. 2005, when they were dressed in Arab or Muslim style, and had plenty of weapons and explosives with them. The BT page provides details I had not yet read, including that these two soldiers even wore black hair wigs to try to complete their disguise, but, and much more importantly, what special ops unit of the UK forces these two guys are or were members of, some special 'Reconnaissance' group. There are also pictures of the weapons these guys were carrying with them in their car, and they weren't traveling lightly.

We also get to learn that the UK not only did immediately drive a tank into Basra to smash the jail open, releasing 130 or so 'terrorists', but that the two UK covert soldiers weren't even there. And the symbol of their group is of a head with a helmet, or just helmet, and like Roman in style, I guess. It has a sword going up through the chin or mouth and out the top of the head.

What does that symbol mean? Loyally serve to murder, or else die? Or that and if you ever mention a word to anyone about this unit then your death is guaranteed and will be promptly seen to?

And we thereby have all the more reason to understand why many people, myself and others, have said for years that Al Qa'ida in Iraq (AQI) is most surely another US covert op. I read an article in which an Iraqi mother was referred to and, I believe, quoted. It was about how AQI recruited from among Iraqi youth, certainly from families in poverty, but also others not so poor, but deceived into believing that AQI really was against the occupation forces. And her son, maybe more than one, joined or was very close to joining, while he had a friend, or more than one, who had joined. But these Iraqis don't have a clue who really is behind AQI, only knowing what they're told; and they are not spoken to directly by the top people behind AQI, most definitely not!

Also, the US has far too many times made "convenient", strategic use of acts the US always claimed were committed by the 'terrorist' AQI group. It's certainly been strategically useful in US politics, in trying to get the Congress and the citizens in general to believe that withdrawing from Iraq would leave the country in a 'bloodbath' situation (damn hellbent sick joke!). And it's been "convenient" for the American military who are of the lusting blood-cult kind and who think of and treat Iraqis as [dogs] and even less. It's been useful in terms of getting probably many Americans to not look to learn about what's really going on in Iraq.

I definitely suggest reading in the order that the references appear, below; for both are very important, but while the article at GR is much shorter than the BT index page.

"State-Sponsored Terror: British and American Black Ops in Iraq

by Andrew G. Marshall

Global Research, June 25, 2008″

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9447

The BT page is easily and immediately found by searching for "Salvador option exposed" and at the 'Brussels Tribunal' (no space, and followed by the 'org' suffix or extension, whatever it's called; not com, net, etc., but org). I say this, instead of providing the link, due to WP bs. WP has been automatically accepting GR links for several months now, but I complained many times before WP WOKE UP.

And people should carefully learn about 'OPERATION GLADIO', too, BTW.

Maybe if Congress LEARNED of this information, then it might not only prohibit any strikes on Iran, but also WITHDRAW from Iraq once and FOREVER more. Many enough of the members of Congress are invested in the MIC, and other war profiteering corporations of the US, though. Well, they should also be informed about matters like what Nick Turse's article of earlier this week described; and maybe this'd help the members of Congress who aren't invested in significantly war profiteering corporations to mass up and against their war profiteering peers.

The Iranians will surrender their Russian missiles as the Gleeful Marching Militias escort the Bankers. They will saturate the Treacherous Iranian economy with good ol' US borrowed Currency!

Yes sir - The good ol' U.S. of Chickenpluckin' A will stooge out the Iranians and the oil prices will drop, as sure as the Lord is our God.

Christians everywhere will pay off their loans with the Iranian Spoils!

The Iranians have hundreds of 'sunburn' missiles(google it),our Navy will be sacrificed.Since the Gulf War,they have placed surface to surface missiles targeted for every capitol,refinery,dock,major city, you name anything in the middle east that's precious,and it will be taken out. The Iranian's have told their neighbors that if they are attacked(U.S.,Isreal same smell) they will stop the world as we know it.

The Bible says that the WOMAN must be subordinate to the MAN.

Pelosi and Conyers, as women, are simply obeying the Word of God!

As in The Book of Rachel, Pelosi heroically prevented the Blasphemous impeachment efforts, and will now assert her influence by joining with the God-Fearing Republicans and the Fellowship of the Media Moguls and Oil Chiefs.

Together, they will Convert Obama and protect the American Heartland of Chickenpluckistan, God Willing!

When JESUS returns on a WHITE HORSE COMING OUT OF THE CLOUDS And All That, HE will SMITE any last Democrocks who have not yet picked up their SWORD in HIS Name! Brother Liebermann and President McCain will Call to Arms the Christian Militias to Plunder the Iranians.

For a candidate who will NEVER vote for war.

www.carolmillercongress.com

Oil popped $142/bbl today.

War with Iran is assured.

Who is surprised? If you use your brains then you'll realize

Democratic Party = Complicit Party

Obama - Complicit candidate

August 15th - watch the drums of war reach a crescendo

August 16th - duck and cover

Actually AIPAC (and their moles in Congress) are leading both parties to a war with Iran.

Good example: self-professed flaming "liberal" Wexler who has yet to see a Muslim/Arab country that should not be punished (for being Muslim or Arab) or a single example of Israeli brutality that should.

Get these Israeli-firsters out and things might change. At least stop putting more in.

That includes Feingold, Boxer, Waxman, Nadler and all the other great "liberals" whose liberality stops at Israel's yet undefined borders.

Jesus, that was Paul Moritz Warburg. The one who spoke in 1950 was James Paul Warburg.

Everyone should read Vincent Bugliosi's new book, "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder." I just received my copy from Amazon today and it looks like a very good read so far . . .

I would like to believe that before they would turn our country into a martial law imposed dictatorship our soldiers and Marines would realize that their orders were illegal and they would turn their weapons on the corrupt government in Washington that led us into the terrible mess that will occur if the attack on Iran that the current right wing government in Israel appears to be planning actually happens.

Some of these imbeciles actually believe all that crap about Armageddon and some bearded man on a white horse riding out of the clouds on a white charger with a big flame thrower smiting thine enemies, etc. They are crazy and belong in custody of men in white coats, not in the White House.

That is why Pelosi needs to come to her senses immediately and give John Conyers the green light to impeach.

Charles Manson will be elected pope before Nader gets the chance to debate either McCain or Obama.

jj

Cannot wait to watch Ralph Nader in a public
debate with Obama and McBush..
Nader and the truth is the only way out

Do I smell a trade here?....Back-off from North Korea to move into Iran? No matter who's ass its pulled out of, it stinks.

The Supreme Court ruling on handguns and this revealing article tie in with each other. Why? Americans love violence! Always have.

Check 'Right To Bear Arms?' on my blog!

www.dangerouscreation.com

lillulu:

Paul Warburg died in 1932.

jj

New World Order
Excerpt: "Listen to the Zionist* banker, Paul Warburg:

"We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate).

Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by two thirds. While the name New World Order is the term most frequently used today to loosely refer to anyone involved in this conspiracy, the study of exactly who makes up this group is a complex and intricate one."
http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

The Coming Catastrophe?
The finishing touches on several contingency plans for attacking Iran

by David DeBatto

Global Research, June 23, 2008

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Global Research Editor's note

We bring to the attention of our readers David DeBatto's scenario as to what might occur if one of the several contingency plans to attack Iran, with the participation of Israel and NATO, were to be carried out. While one may disagree with certain elements of detail of the author's text, the thrust of this analysis must be taken seriously.

"Israel has said a strike on Iran will be "unavoidable" if the Islamic regime continues to press ahead with alleged plans for building an atom-bomb." (London Daily Telegraph, 6/11/2008)
"Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany joined President Bush on Wednesday in calling for further sanctions against Iran if it does not suspend its uranium enrichment program." Mr. Bush stressed again that "all options are on the table," which would include military force. (New York Times, 6/11/2008)

We are fast approaching the final six months of the Bush administration. The quagmire in Iraq is in its sixth painful year with no real end in sight and the forgotten war in Afghanistan is well into its seventh year. The "dead enders" and other armed factions are still alive and well in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan again controls most of that country. Gas prices have now reached an average of $4.00 a gallon nationally and several analysts predict the price will rise to $5.00-$6.00 dollars per gallon at the pump by Labor Day. This, despite assurances by some major supporters of the decision to invade Iraq that the Iraq war "will pay for itself" (Paul Wolfowitz) or that we will see "$20.00 per barrel" oil prices if we invade Iraq (Rupert Murdoch).

One thing the Pentagon routinely does (and does very well) is conduct war games. Top brass there are constantly developing strategies for conducting any number of theoretical missions based on real or perceived threats to our national security or vital interests. This was also done prior to the invasion of Iraq, but the Bush administration chose not to listen to the dire warnings about that mission given to him by Pentagon leaders, or for that matter, by his own senior intelligence officials. Nevertheless, war gaming is in full swing again right now with the bullseye just to the right of our current mess – Iran.

It's no secret that the U.S. is currently putting the finishing touches on several contingency plans for attacking Iranian nuclear and military facilities. With our ground forces stretched to the breaking point in Iraq and Afghanistan, none of the most likely scenarios involve a ground invasion. Not that this administration wouldn't prefer to march into the seat of Shiite Islam behind a solid, moving line of M1 Abrams tanks and proclaim the country for democracy. The fact is that even the President knows we can't pull that off any more so he and the neo-cons will have to settle for Shock and Awe Lite.

If we invade Iran this year it will be done using hundreds of sorties by carrier based aircraft already stationed in the Persian Gulf and from land based aircraft located in Iraq and Qatar. They will strike the known nuclear facilities located in and around Tehran and the rest of the country as well as bases containing major units of the Iranian military, anti-aircraft installations and units of the Revolutionary Guard (a separate and potent Iranian para-military organization).

Will this military action stop Iran's efforts to develop nuclear weapons? Probably not. It will probably not even destroy all of their nuclear research facilities, the most sensitive of which are known to be underground, protected by tons of earth and reinforced concrete and steel designed to survive almost all attacks using conventional munitions. The Iranian military and Revolutionary Guard will most likely survive as well, although they will suffer significant casualties and major bases and command centers will undoubtedly be destroyed. However, since Iran has both a functioning Air Force, Navy (including submarines) and modern anti-aircraft capabilities, U.S. fighter-bombers will suffer casualties as well. This will not be a "Cake Walk" as with the U.S. led invasion of Iraq in 2003 when the Iraqi Army simply melted away and the Iraqi Air Force never even launched a single aircraft.

Not even close.

If the United States attacks Iran either this summer or this fall, the American people had better be prepared for a shock that may perhaps be even greater to the national psyche (and economy) than 9/11. First of all, there will be significant U.S. casualties in the initial invasion. American jets will be shot down and the American pilots who are not killed will be taken prisoner - including female pilots. Iranian Yakhonts 26, Sunburn 22 and Exocet missiles will seek out and strike U.S. naval battle groups bottled up in the narrow waters of the Persian Gulf with very deadly results. American sailors will be killed and U.S. ships will be badly damaged and perhaps sunk. We may even witness the first attack on an American Aircraft carrier since World War II.

That's just the opening act.

Israel (who had thus far stayed out of the fray by letting the U.S. military do the heavy lifting) is attacked by Hezbollah in a coordinated and large scale effort. Widespread and grisly casualties effectively paralyze the nation, a notion once thought impossible. Iran's newest ally in the region, Syria, then unleashes a barrage of over 200 Scud B, C and D missiles at Israel, each armed with VX gas. Since all of Israel is within range of these Russian built weapons, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and virtually all major civilian centers and several military bases are struck, often with a result of massive casualties.

The Israeli Air Force orders all three squadrons of their F-16I Sufa fighter/bombers into the air with orders to bomb Tehran and as many military and nuclear bases as they can before they are either shot down or run out of fuel. It is a one way trip for some of these pilots. Their ancient homeland lies in ruins. Many have family that is already dead or dying. They do not wait for permission from Washington, DC or U.S. regional military commanders. The Israeli aircraft are carrying the majority of their country's nuclear arsenal under their wings.

Just after the first waves of U.S. bombers cross into Iranian airspace, the Iranian Navy, using shore based missiles and small, fast attack craft sinks several oil tankers in the Straits of Hormuz, sealing off the Persian Gulf and all its oil from the rest of the world. They then mine the area, making it difficult and even deadly for American minesweepers to clear the straits. Whatever is left of the Iranian Navy and Air Force harasses our Navy as it attempts minesweeping operations. More U.S casualties.

The day after the invasion Wall Street (and to a lesser extent, Tokyo, London and Frankfurt) acts as it always does in an international crisis – irrational speculative and spot buying reaches fever pitch and sends the cost of oil skyrocketing. In the immediate aftermath of the U.S. invasion of Iran, the price of oil goes to $200.00 - $300.00 dollars a barrel on the open market. If the war is not resolved in a few weeks, that price could rise even higher. This will send the price of gasoline at the pump in this country to $8.00-$10.00 per gallon immediately and subsequently to even higher unthinkable levels.

If that happens, this country shuts down. Most Americans are not be able to afford gas to go to work. Truckers pull their big rigs to the side of the road and simply walk away. Food, medicine and other critical products are not be brought to stores. Gas and electricity (what is left of the short supply) are too expensive for most people to afford. Children, the sick and elderly die from lack of air-conditioned homes and hospitals in the summer. Children, the sick and elderly die in the winter for lack of heat. There are food riots across the country. A barter system takes the place of currency and credit as the economy dissolves and banks close or limit withdrawals. Civil unrest builds.

The police are unable to contain the violence and are themselves victims of the same crisis as the rest of the population. Civilian rule dissolves and Martial Law is declared under provisions approved under the Patriot Act. Regular U.S. Army and Marine troops patrol the streets. The federal government apparatus is moved to an unknown but secure location. The United States descends into chaos and becomes a third world country. Its time as the lone superpower is over.

It doesn't get any worse than this.

Then the first Israeli bomber drops its nuclear payload on Tehran.

David DeBatto is a former U.S. Army Counterintelligence Special Agent, Iraqi war veteran and co-author the "CI" series from Warner Books and the upcoming "Counter to Intelligence" from Praeger Security International.

Global Research Articles by David DeBatto

"US Senate approves war funds bill" - June 26, 2008

The answer to the question above should be obvious to all by now - yes.

These members of Congress stand recorded as accomplices to current (and perhaps future) war crimes.

Oops (been babysitting all day and my mind is slower!) should read, "recognize how this malign folly could lead to so much pain and.."

BILL FROM SAGINAW: Excellent point. It makes one wonder if it will be the military that says NO, since their numbers are in line for the greatest feedback IF things escalate with Iran.

LIBERAL WITH AN ATTITUDE; It was Seymour Hersh writing I believe in Vanity Fair who spoke about the use of our AIR FORCE to do air raids over Iran. If "low level nuclear bunker busters" would be used in such a travesty, the radiation would be MURDER to many. I hope that sanity prevails. It seems preposterous that so-called leaders can be so blind to the fall-out (on all levels) from such an act of aggression. Don't they recognize what rising gas prices will mean in terms a full out implosion of the U.S. economy? Is there not an iota of mercy for the evident warning signals of climate change as seen this week in California fires and Mid West floods? Is there no capacity to SEE the big picture, to recognize has this malign folly could lead to such much pain and senseless depravity? In short, how many are awake at the wheel...

tommytoons55; thank you!! Who are those 82 dems?
That resolution is revolting! As a former registered dem; i quit 5 minutes ago! I am now sn independent, but not a Lieberman-like piece of shit!

"God damn it please, people wake up! Congress is bought. The presidency is bought. Done. Gone." Exactly. A major US contributing factor to the GDP is war. Heavy investment in the military industrial complex vis-a-vis both multimillionaires' and working class pensions guarantees that war will continue to be profitable in perpetuity. A Repub or Demo Congress or president matters very little. Elections are exercises in futility. That said, a vote for Nader, McKinney, and other 3rd party candidates allows for a conscious break with the status quo and casts some credence onto the notion that not all the people are being duped.

I believe that Israel is the leader of the pack right now with the Bush administration right behind and of course the Coporate powers that will gain more power and money from an armed conflict with Iran, then comes along those 82 Blue dog Democrats who help suck up and kiss the butts of those higher up this chain. By the way thats a very good question what are the names of those 82 Democrats?

People, people, ATTENTION please!!

All this talk about whether it's going to be the Democrats or the Republicans that are going to lead us into war with Iran is totally unnecessary.

Why, you might ask?

Well, I was just hoping you would.

You see, North Korea, who have been highly suspect with regard to nuclear weaponry submitted their report to China on the subject.

Following that, the U. S. (and our fearless leader George W. Bush) removed North Korea from his terrorist list (though I believe more people are probably concerned with Mr. Blackwell's annual Worst Dressed List).

All we need now is for Ahmadinejad to submit a report to the Chinese government stating his intentions with regard to Iran's nuclear program.

If it comes through China, then we know we can believe it; there'll be no more sanctions and no more threats of war against Iran by us (of course, Israel is free to do whatever they want, but how likely are they to do anything without our support)

Am I possibly being too naive here? Is Iran's close proximity to Israel versus the greater distance to North Korea a factor here? Please tell me so I don't go on rambling like this. I don't want to sound like I've got smudges on my rose-colored glasses.

This is IMPORTANT: Please contact your Reps. & Senators to oppose Resolution 362!
This is sponsored by Voters for Peace;

Oppose Resolution 362
The resolution's key section "demands that the president initiate an international effort to
immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program."

This resolution essentially calls for an act of war – a naval blockade of Iran. If passed by the
Congress and Bush does what is asked it ensures war with Iran. Iran is three times the size of
Iraq. If you think the Iraq war and occupation have been bad, wait till you see what war with Iran brings.

Write Representatives;
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1312/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=25060

Write Senators;
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1312/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=25062

If we flood their inboxes, maybe we can prevent THIS war!

Its should be obvious by now that it doesnt matter at all whether its a republican or democrat thing; the fix is in either way. Its futile to even discuss anything political. The big boys will do whatever they want and the public is screwed. The Constitution is toast. We are told what to think by the corporate media and we quickly obey without question. The public realizes this and thats why half of us sit home on election day. Sad.

Just signed a petition over the net this am about 362, it hasn't passed yet. A lot of good that will probably do, but it does let my representives know I am not in favor of this.

Looks like another lost cause. Come On Vermont, Secede.

If we all voted for someone other than Democrats (honorable exceptions Barbara Lee, Dennis Kucinich, Lynn WoOlsey,--Russ Feingold and Robert Byrd in the Senate)it probably wouldn't change the outcome of the elections but it would allow all of us to cease feeling like suckers or enablers. It would also be an encouragement to candidates like McKinney, Nader, and Kucinich to keep on trying if all of us sent them a $10-$25 check.

Please don't forget the Kyl-Leiberman resolution our bipartisan Congress passed last year, declaring a segment of Iran's regular national military (the Quods force) to be a "terrorist organization", therefore exempt from the Geneva Conventions should American soldiers engage them in combat.

In a reply fit of parallel legislative posturing, the Iranian parliament passed a response resolution designating US occupation forces in Iraq and the CIA as "terrorist organizations."

How nicely the stage is set, with everybody declaring the other guy to be a George Bush "enemy combatant", vulnerable to torture or summary execution if ever taken prisoner on the battlefield, heaven forbid.

What goes around comes around.

Bill from Saginaw

"Why are 96 House Democrats (along with 111 House Republicans) co-sponsoring this resolution? Aren't these the Democrats who rode into majorities in both houses on public revulsion against war in the Middle East?"

The public may want out of Iraq . . . but not the pirates and killers in Washington, D.C. (Death and Corruption). What's the difference between your left shoe and your right shoe? Nothing, except the feet you wear them on. Otherwise, they are a pair.

'Are Congressional Democrats Leading Us to War With Iran?'

What a question! Of course they are!

We get to 'vote' for either the left hand puppet or the right hand puppet being presented by the A.I.PACman. The only way Americans will ever be 'safe' from our government is for the Bush Bucks to follow the Zimbabwe Dollar. Lt. Calley was right - since America will not come to it's senses then it must be brought to it's knees - the only way to 'save' it is to destroy it.
I wonder what America will be if it ever grows up.

God damn it please, people wake up! Congress is bought. The presidency is bought. Done. Gone. Your vote will slightly affect the way this fascist government treats you in the USA. That is all. UNTIL we wake the hell up, until the American people--the asses of the masses-take to the streets-REVOLT- we will see a greater and greater move to PRIVATIZE all of OUR public space. We will live to see the corporate state as our masters.
Iran,like Iraq before it, is nothing more than a CORPORATE ACQUISITION, paid for and DIED for by the American people. Using stupid citizens as fodder saves on business expenses. God bless the free market.

There is obvious danger to Iran.
There is also obvious danger to the US.
War is, by tradition, often used either to distract the public from domestic problems and gain political advantage, to "stimulate the economy", or to prepare the ground for dramatic restructuring at home. It was a wave of patriotism (in the midst of the Falkland War) that allowed Thatcher to introduce Thatcherism to the UK. Perhaps we are about to enter into a new phase of the war on The People -- that other war that never ends.

Are Congressional Democrats Leading Us to War With Iran?
__________________________________________

Hmm... well, if they are, it's only in a Judas-goaty sort of way.

He who pays (AIPAC) the piper (US politicians) calls the tune
Old english proverb

They can not afford not to listen to the payer. Just ask Cynthia Mckinney about the power of AIPAC

On Iran there is not a nanometer difference between wannabes Obama and McCain.

When are people going to get the message that Congress doesn't represent us? The Senate is also going along with Bush's cuts to Medicare.

Sarah, you say, "...Imposing "stringent inspection requirements" would amount to a naval blockade, many believe, and thus constitute an act of war..." YOU ARE ABSOLUTLEY CORRECT ABOUT THAT. THE DEMS ARE VOTING FOR WAR ! A blockade IS an act of war.

citizenblog - like what stuff goes on that our embedded reporters never mention? you could be our reporter if you read that language then inform us - ok?

Here's a good take on US policy with Iran, especially as Thomas Powers refers to the historical concerns when a number of nations who themselves were on the brink of joining the nuclear club.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21592

I don't agree with Willybill and most others here. I would suggest you look at the ties between the Iraqi regime with Iran, the Shiite militias and Iran and USA's occupying role. There has already been talks between all these parties that you would only find out about if you can read arabic and studied the foreign press. Lots of stuff goes on that our "embedded" reporters never mention.

~ WILLYBILL ~

I also agree that we can never overestimate these psychopath's stupidity.

~ LIBERAL W/ AN ATtItUDe ~

Please do consider that w/o USA participation, it would be a small matter of a few months time for the Iranian survivors ( after a horrific Israeli nuking, and use of ALL of their wicked reserves … ), of possibly 2o,ooo,ooo really angry fighters - to walk to Israel and take that place apart stone by stone …

The Good News, is that Jerusalem likely would not have to be entirely destroyed.

Namaste

Inevitably the actions performed in the name of Zionism will justify, in the minds of many, another 5000 years of anti-semitism. Strange how we always end up being our own worse enemy.

Willybill - I totally agree with what you have said, and in fact would go further, and say that the US would never attempt a land invasion of Iran, because of the Geography of the country and the logistics required. The Russians failed to subdue the Taleban in Afghanistan, in similar terrain, and the differences between the Iranian army and the Taleban are immense.
I hope that common sense will prevail, and the current administration are kicked out before they can inflict any more damage on the World.

The Democrats have not made any indication in this election that they are going down the path of nuclear non-proliferation (no talk of even limited reductions of warheads). That doesn't mean they want to go to war with Iran (at least notin the short term). It's more the carrot and big stick approach, ie see article on North Korea's nuclear program in today's NY Times.

liberal with an attitude June 27th, 2008 1:10 pm ..The resources are always there for war one way or the other. This would be a bombing mission, so manpower is not an issue. Of bombers and bombs we have a virtually unlimited supply. Please do not put anything beyond the possibility of this regime. You are not dealing with sane humans.

No! Magazine says that there will be no war because Maliki and other Shiite militias in Iraq, the Iranian Regime and USA have done a deal to ensure the spoils from Israel's sabre rattling are to be distributed fairly amongst all parties including interested friendly corporate partners.

Here is another point to mull over. The pre Bush admin game plan was Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea. We have all read that report of how that was their game plan before they even stole the office. Well, here we are 8 years later, N Korea has been totally let off the hook, sanctions lifted, not a whisper about Syria, and the saber rattling over Iran has been going on for the length of the occupation of Iraq.

When have Democrats ever been against war??? That is after all how they reward their benefactors (MIC).
The anti-war rhetoric is ONLY used to get votes from the sleepy drones.

War with Iran? No this is the new talking point. Like abortion. Roe V Wade will never be repealed yet it is a topic of distinction that is used to seperate and divide. That is what war with Iran represents now. For or against? Thats all it is. Right now, today, Fri June 27, Iran would destroy Israel or the US one on one. We have no resources for another war. You can't argue this point if you frequent this site because you read the same articles that provide me with this information. Stuff like how our current occupation of Iraq has caused the infinite tours by our current forces and how 40 year old troops are being called up from reserves and how when your time is up they are prolonging your tour and not letting you out of the service. If all of these reports are true, and we only have a small amount of forces in Iraq to begin with, where does anyone think we would get troops to go into Iran? We cannot nuke Iran any sooner than we could Iraq. You would contaminate the very purpose for being there and now with Iran in particular start up agressions with Russia again. So explain it to me like I am a four year old, because I really do want to understand how anyone thinks we have any money or resources to take on Iran????????????

AIPAC is the real axis of evil.

Absolutely..their investments must prosper and mature! SOULLESS BASTARDS!

of course they are...The isreali lobby has said so and it shall be....

jesusofjonesboro and since1492,

Right on!

Democrats aren't leading us to war, they are following corporate America's business plan. Which has always been war. They work for them, not us.
Hoa binh

Mearsheimer and Walt were right.

jj

"According to a recent story on CBS News, the answer seems to be a "full-court press" by the government of Israel and the American-Israeli lobby AIPAC. CBS ran the story Tuesday as Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen was on his way to the Middle East to confer with Israeli government officials. "Israelis are uncertain about what would be the policies of the next [U.S.] administration vis-à-vis Iran,"

Would someone in the know please provide us a list of Dim's who voted for House Resolution 362?

If two or three representatives could be targeted by progressives for defeat in the next elections, and defeated, perhaps the power of AIPAC could be mitigated and that extreme element of our electoral process could be neutralized to such an extent that it would become meaningless.