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Keith Olbermann: Then and Now
On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."
Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration, Olbermann said:
This is no longer just a farce in which protecting telecoms is dressed up as protecting us from terrorists conference cells. Now it begins to look like the bureaucrats of the Third Reich, trying to protect the Krupp family, the industrial giants, re-writing the laws of Germany for their benefit.
Olbermann closed by scoffing at the idea that telecom amnesty or revisions to FISA were necessary to help National Security:
There is not a choice of protecting the telecoms from prosecution or protecting the people from terrorism, Sir. This is a choice of protecting the telecoms from prosecution or pretending to protect the people from terrorists. Sorry, Mr. Bush, the eavesdropping provisions of FISA have obviously had no impact on counter-terrorism, and there is no current or perceived terrorist threat the thwarting of which could hinge on an email or phone call that is going through Room 641 of AT&T in San Francisco.
Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed.
Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
OLBERMANN: Asked by "Rolling Stone" publisher, Jann Wenner, about how Democrats have cowered in the wake of past Republican attacks, Senator Obama responding, quote, "Yeah, I don't do cowering." That's evident today in at least three issues . . .
Senator Obama also refusing to cower even to the left on the subject of warrantless wiretapping. He's planning to vote for the FISA compromise legislation, putting him at odds with members of his own party . . . But first, it's time to bring in our own Jonathan Alter, also, of course, senior editor of "Newsweek" magazine. Good evening, Jon.
JONATHAN ALTER, NEWSWEEK: Hi, Keith.
OLBERMANN: "Yeah, I don't do cowering." This is not just the man, but the campaign?
ALTER: Yes. This is part of the message that is consistent across the last couple weeks and it comes down to one word -- strength. The United States is not going to elect a president that perceives to be as weak. You look weak if you're flip-flopping. You look weak if you're not taking actions that seem to be securing the United States against terrorists. And you look weak if you don't fight back against your political adversaries.
OLBERMANN: But this cuts, I mean, this terminology cuts in more than one direction here. Not cowering to Republicans is one thing in the Democratic, recent Democratic history, it's a thing that I think anybody who has a "D" near their name cheers, but not cowering to the left, not going along with the conventional, the new conventional thinking on the FISA bill, that's something altogether different, isn't it?
ALTER: Yes. I don't really think it is. It was only a matter of time before the left was disappointed in Barack Obama, at least in a limited way. No politician is ever going to do everything that somebody likes.
And I think some folks in the netroots in particular on this FISA bill who are, you know, pulling their hair out over this, they have to realize, he's always been a politician, he'll always be a politician, and politics is the art of the possible. And he's a legislator. He knows that you can't always get everything that you want in a bill, even if he personally believes that the immunity for Telcoms is a bad idea. The larger idea of the bill was important.
And I actually think one of the big points, Keith, that hasn't been made about this bill is that currently, as of last August, since last August, we've been operating in an unconstitutional environment, clear violation of the Fourth Amendment.
So, there was tremendous urgency to get the FISA court back into the game. And does this bill do it imperfectly? Yes. But it does do it and it restores the Constitution, which is a point that's not getting made very much.
Leave aside the fact that Jonathan Alter, desperate to defend Obama, doesn't have the slightest idea of what he's talking about. How can a bill which increases the President's authority to eavesdrop with no warrants over the current FISA law possibly be described as a restoration of the Fourth Amendment? That would be like describing a new law banning anti-war speech as a restoration of the First Amendment.
As Jim Dempsey and Marty Lederman both note, not even the nation's most foremost FISA experts really know the full extent to which this bill allows new warrantless spying. Obviously, Jonathan Alter has no idea what he's saying, but nonetheless decrees that this bill -- now that Obama supports it -- restores the Fourth Amendment. Those are the Orwellian lengths to which people like Olbermann and Alter are apparently willing to go in order to offer their blind devotion to Barack Obama.
Moreover, Alter's own explanation is self-contradictory. In the course of praising Obama's FISA stance, he says that a politician looks "weak if you're flip-flopping" and "you look weak if you don't fight back against your political adversaries." But that's exactly what Obama is doing here -- completely reversing himself on telecom amnesty and warrantless eavesdropping, all in order to give the right-wing of the GOP everything it wants on national security issues in order to avoid a fight. By Alter's own reasoning, what Obama's doing is "weak" in the extreme, yet Alter bizarrely praises Obama for showing "strength."
All of the decades-old, conventional Beltway mythologies are trotted out here to praise Obama. Democrats move to the "center" by embracing hard-core right-wing policies. Democrats will look "weak" unless they turn themselves into Republican clones on national security. A President becomes "strong" when he tramples on the Constitution and the rule of law in the name of keeping us safe. Democrats must embrace the Right and repudiate the base of their own party, and they must support Dick Cheney's policies while "standing up to the ACLU."
That's just the garden-variety New Republic Syndrome I wrote about earlier this week. That's the mentality that led large numbers of Democrats to vote for the attack on Iraq, and then ignore and/or enable the whole stable of Bush's lawlessness and other radical policies ("that's how we'll avoid looking weak and liberal"). Those Move-to-the-Center cliches just tumble reflexively out of the mouths of every standard Beltway establishment pundit.
What's much more notable is Olbermann's full-scale reversal on how he talks about these measures now that Obama -- rather than George Bush -- supports them. On an almost nightly basis, Olbermann mocks Congressional Democrats as being weak and complicit for failing to stand up to Bush lawbreaking; now that Obama does it, it's proof that Obama won't "cower." Grave warning on Olbermann's show that telecom amnesty and FISA revisions were hallmarks of Bush Fascism instantaneously transformed into a celebration that Obama, by supporting the same things, was leading a courageous, centrist crusade in defense of our Constitution.
Is that really what anyone wants -- transferring blind devotion from George Bush to Barack Obama? Are we hoping for a Fox News for Obama, that glorifies everything he says and whitewashes everything he does? Compare what Russ Feingold said in an interview yesterday about the Democrats' support for the FISA bill to Olbermann's absurd effort to depict Obama as courageous for supporting it:
It's the latest chapter of running for cover when the Administration tries to intimidate Democrats on national security issues. It's the most embarrassing failure of the Democrats I've seen since 2006, other than the failure to vote to end the Iraq War. . . . It's letting George Bush and Dick Cheney have their way even though they're that unpopular and on their way out. It's really incredible.
It isn't that difficult to keep the following two thoughts in one's head at the same time -- though it seems to be for many people:
(1) What Barack Obama is doing on Issue X is wrong, indefensible and worthy of extreme criticism; (2) I support Barack Obama for President because he's a better choice than John McCain.
As but one example, John Cole was a vehement supporter of Barack Obama throughout the primary. He viciously criticized Hillary Clinton on a regular basis and raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's campaign through his blog. But this week alone, Cole lambasted Obama for what he called Obama's "total collapse and a rapid abandonment of principle" regarding FISA and pronounced as a "pathetic performance" Obama's refusal to be photographed anywhere near Muslims or to meet with Muslim leaders. Despite that, just yesterday, Cole said:
No, I don't have buyers remorse. Yes, he still is better than Hillary or McCain. No, I am not disillusioned (I never thought he was a flaming liberal in the first place). I am, however, disgusted, and I will caution the Obama campaign that "better than McCain" is not much of a rallying cry. We all remember how "anything is better than Bush" turned out in 2004.
That's called being a rational adult who refuses to relinquish one's intellectual honesty, integrity, and political principles in order to march lockstep behind a political leader. Those who think that Barack Obama should not be criticized no matter how wrong he is -- or those who justify anything that he does no matter how craven and unjustifiable, including things that they viciously criticized when done by Dick Cheney or Harry Reid -- are no different, and no better, than those who treated George Bush with similar uncritical reverence in 2003 and 2004.
The real danger is that those who defend Obama the Candidate no matter what he does are likely to defend Obama the President no matter what he does, too. If we learn in 2009 that Obama has invoked his claimed Article II powers to spy on Americans outside of even the new FISA law, are we going to hear from certain factions that he was justified in doing so to protect us; how it's a good, shrewd move to show he's a centrist and keep his approval ratings high so he can do all the Good things he wants to do for us; how it's different when Obama does it because we can trust him? It certainly looks that way. Those who spent the last five years mauling Bush for "shredding the Constitution" and approving of lawbreaking -- only to then praise Obama for supporting a bill that endorses and protects all of that -- are displaying exactly the type of blind reverence that is more dangerous than any one political leader could ever be.
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Today's Wall St. Journal has an article on the new Strange Bedfellows coalition and the campaign to punish and remove from office selected members of Congress who support civil-liberties-destroying measures such as the current FISA bill (a campaign I first announced here). The abstract of the WSJ article is here, and the full text can be read by clicking on the link on this page [link fixed]. The details for the "money bomb" the article describes will be disclosed very shortly. Yesterday, Jane Hamsher recorded a Bloggingheads session with former Rep. and current third-party presidential candidate Bob Barr (who Republicans are petrified will destroy McCain's chances) and discussed with him the ideologically diverse efforts to battle against the political establishment's assault on core constitutional liberties. For now, contributions to the campaign -- which now has more than $320,000 -- can be made here.
UPDATE: Comedy Central's Indecision 2008 blog discusses Obama's FISA stance here.
Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.
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76 Comments so far
Show AllKeith has become a propagandist for Obama. I have stopped listening to him.
Nothing in the primiary season or anything we are likely to see up to the election will give us a more accurate picture of Obama and the type of politician he is.
FISA and the constitution are laws that require compliance or penalties. It should not matter if its Bush or Obama or Pelosi or that nine-fingered weasel Rahm Emanuel who stands opposed to the rule of law. How in the world can they talk about change or working for the people when they are the worst kind of situational ethicists selling us down the river.
I have a very negative view of Hillary and a poorer impression of Slick Willy. Well for those of us who wanted change, savior the illusion as long as you can and then wave bye bye. For those of you who are longing for Bill's third term, congratulations!
Since the primaries ended, Barrack has adopted the position of "What are they going to do? Vote for McCain". What a complete betrayal. Welcome to the corporate trough of slop Barack, nice of the other piggies to make room for you!
Olberman is a inside the beltway tool. The Rush Limbaugh of the pretenders claiming to be progressives. Olerman gets it half right but as this article demonstrates Obama and a vast majority of other Democrats support the very legislation he is decrying without ever mentioning the fact.
Chris Hedges, Moyers, are the last true journalists left in the corporate owned media including this moron.
Don't you think that you have to do and say a lot of things to get the office-I'll wait until he's in office to start the bad-mouthing-that's when it counts!
Melmac, you raise an interesting point which I would accept if the issue was using public financing or other non-criminal issues. In the FISA case, laws were broken of a serious nature that every elected official has a sworn duty to uphold. There really is no choice or option. Unlike policy decisions as to when to pull us our of Iraq.
As for waiting til someone is in office before taking action, I think you may want to reconsider that position. W has shown us how dangerous this is. Some 73 percent of americans waited til W screwed us with his fecal touch but now are negative on him even to the point where the majority of the US favors impeachment. You'd never know it by the stories in the media or more importantly the actions of Congress. Act now or forever hold your ...
We couldn't vote for Henry Wallace in 48 because that would bring us Dewey. We didn't get Dewey, but Truman gave us his policies.
We couldn't vote for Ralph, because that would give us Bush. Gore actually won but failed to push effectively to prove it.
Now we can't vote for Ralph because that would give it to McCain. But on issue after issue Obama equals McCain.
Wake up, progressives.
While it's true that Ralph can't win, with the choice between Obama and McCain we've all, already lost.
Very disappointing. Olby was the last show to which I paid any attention on the MSM. Good! That's another hour I'll spend reading!
Don't jump on Olbermann, a freelancing media whore. It's the political whores handing out immunity to corporate whores in D.C. that need to be trashed.
Hoa binh
melmac wrote:
"Don't you think that you have to do and say a lot of things to get the office..."
In the Republican march to three decades of ideological and most of the time, political domnance - through defeats worse than anything McGovern or Dukakas suffered (i.e. Goldwater), did thay EVER feel the need to say anything but their most sincerely held reactionary beliefs?
So, why can't the Democrats do this???
The answer is obvious.
Ok, I don't think rhetorical subtlty works here - especially the younger generation (Goldwater? wasn't that an old james Bond villin?)
So, the answer is...
The Democrats can "do this", because the Democrats hold exactly the same reactionary beliefs as teh Republicans!
Barry Goldwater would be to the left of Obama today, and Nixon would be regarded as a completely, unelectably, anti-big-business leftist.
It appears we keep on getting thrown an issue and everyone takes after that one, either agreeing of disagreeing. Then "they" (whoever) throws us the next controversy and everyone chases after that - arguing for a few days until the next launch. How about an overall view of the McCain presidency vs the Obama presidency. From what I know, I may be able to live through an Obama presidency. I have strong doubts about surviving McCain.
formernadervoter,
And, even if Gore was elected, waht evidence is there that he wouldn't have invaded Iraq as well? As VP for Clinton, he was quite happy with the low-level bombings and starvation of the population that clinton pursued in Iraq.
considerthis,
If you are talking strictly about your personal fortunes, you will do as well under McCain as under Obama. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer.
I used to think that the people of the middle east might do better with Obama as president, but this looks increasingly unlikely as well.
Most of the forces at work here - particularly the economic, and environmental ones are far larger than any one presidential administration anyway.
Check out Glenn Greenwald's blog entry at Salon.com today. Olbermann responded to Greenwald on the Daily Kos and Greenwald addresses Olberman's response in today's entry.
Good stuff and important points. We need to hold Obama and the media to the same standards.
Congress had better not give a pass to the telecoms on this. Once granted, it will take another "act of congress" to undo it. That isn't going to happen. And how naive to think that once president, Obama will expend the effort to prosecute the (multitudes?) of violations of individual citizens' civil rights. It will be pronounced a fool's errand that will cost too much taxpayers' dollars -- the cost/benefit ratio, blah de blah de blah ..... No, the line has to be drawn here, now. Olbermann has been spot on on so many of his Special Comments, but on this particular point I think he's indulging in wishful thinking.
USAn wrote:
"In the Republican march to three decades of ideological and most of the time, political domnance - through defeats worse than anything McGovern or Dukakas suffered (i.e. Goldwater), did thay EVER feel the need to say anything but their most sincerely held reactionary beliefs?
"So, why can't the Democrats do this???"
Might I suggest the Democrats don't feel any need to express their most sincerely held reactionary beliefs because the Republicans already do it for them so well.
Propaganda is propaganda, no matter where it comes from.
I still don't know about Obama.
Glenn Greenwald,
I always appreciate your keen insight and take-no-prisoners approach to the truth. Keep it up!
Yeah, I started watching Olbermann just about a year ago, and at first I thought gee, he's not covering all of the important issues, but he's doing better than most on MSM. He had some great moments where I was cheering him on for his comments and revelations. But I have noticed a change in recent months and see his coverage more like the pundits -- no real substance on the issues, but bantering about who said this or who said that for large swaths of the show. I've been tuning him out more and more and he becomes a supporter of his candidate no matter what. That's not what I'm looking for. I am completely turned off of Obama at this point. Vote for Obama? No deal!
Olbermann RAWKS. What does Greenwald want? What a liberal whiner. Olbermann has done what NOBODY ELSE on mainstream TV has done on air, primetime: ream Bush a second asshole so dumbshit amerkuns can understand how seriously they've been fucked over. Yay for Keith!!! Love ya, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lesson of the hypocrisy of Keith on this issue is that it is okay to dis GW Bush, but not Obama. I am glad Keith Olbermann detests Bush and Cheney, I wish he (and his corporate sponsers and employers) detested their fascism as much.
Bravo Glenn Greenwald for telling it like it is with Keith's own words and not just speculative gossip (I am sure Keith would appreciate that!).
This incident also makes Pastor Jerimiah Wright's (Obama's now former pastor and life-long friend) famous comment to Barack Obama that "if you win I'm coming after you next" that much more poignant and special.
Shill for Mugabe, or a veteran might hurt you.
Shill for Obama, or McCain might hurt you.
THis above point contains much wisdom FROM FORMERNADERVOTER
We couldn't vote for Henry Wallace in 48 because that would bring us Dewey. We didn't get Dewey, but Truman gave us his policies.
We couldn't vote for Ralph, because that would give us Bush. Gore actually won but failed to push effectively to prove it.
Now we can't vote for Ralph because that would give it to McCain. But on issue after issue Obama equals McCain.
Wake up, progressives.
While it's true that Ralph can't win, with the choice between Obama and McCain we've all, already lost.
Would someone please explain to me, just why the hell, standing in support of the fourth amendment, the right to privacy, health, happiness and a decent quality of life is a "LIBERAL" idea?
Everytime one of these psuedo "liberals" hear the gustapo screech..."LIBERAL"...they run for the hills. Huh...must be Dim liberals! Assclowns!
The ugly game of politics is a multi-front war for every candidate in every party. There is the grassroot-support front, the media front, the oppositional front, the swing-vote front, etc. You get the idea. The object of the game in election-year politics is to GET ELECTED which means means appealing to greatest number of voters.
EVERY candidate says and acts (if they are still in office when running for another) according to the principle of what will do the least amount of damage to their election goal.
Some things, like the FISA vote, while unfortunate, is an example of a candidate who probably is personally against the legislation but needs political cover in an election year against, not another candidate in the SAME party, but a candidate in the opposing party in a national election.
Obama needs swing voters, yellow-dog Democrats and Republicans who don't really like McCain to think that he is not weak on Terrorism.
In a democracy, there will never be a perfect candidate, for there are too many conflicting interests out there to satisfy, ESPECIALLY within the Democratic Party. There are so many factions and special interests within the Democratic Party, that a candidate is forced to paint themselves with broad strokes in an effort to not alienate voters.
It took Republicans over 20 years to get to the point of dominance that they now have. Grover Norquist once referred to gaining incrementally in every election cycle.
Democrats have done well to win the House and Senate and we stand to make more gains this year. We NEED a Democratic President to finish the coup.
We won't get everything we want right away. The system is what it is and I believe that Barrack Obama is a good man who honestly wants to improve our nation in accordance to many of the principles espoused here on this site.
But we'll never know if we don't stand together and help him get elected and we wind up with McCain in office.
melmac78 at June 27th, 2008 1:01 pm, asks, "Don't you think that you have to do and say a lot of things to get the office-I'll wait until he's in office to start the bad-mouthing-that's when it counts!" Whatever might be the wisdom of this position in the general case, it seems off the mark when talking about an action (not a talking point) scheduled to occur not when "he's in office" but within the next few days.
melmac78 wrote:
"Don't you think that you have to do and say a lot of things to get the office-I'll wait until he's in office to start the bad-mouthing-that's when it counts!"
Uhhhh...hey dumbass, he is in office, he's a Senator voting on this piece of crap bill. It counts quite a bit now thank you very much!
This whole issue of telecoms being given immunity shows how the framing of the issue is the key. The telecoms have been bootlickers for decades. The FBI used them back in the 1920's and 1930's. No discussion that isolates the recent decade will truly develop the scope or dimensions involved in gaining (not regaining-we never had them to being with) our freedoms that are on paper in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The real issue is when will we ever be free of fascist oppression? Even Nader makes me wonder. He talks about health care in much the same frame as so many do (the wonders of a one payer system-once found-will surely be no less splendid than those of the Holy Grail) and ignores one issue-why have costs risen 3 times faster in health care industry area than any other single part of the economy? One answer he could supply but does not is that we are in a cancer epidemic caused by the toxic soup we live in. Has he caved in to the Professional Cancer establishment (like the American Cancer Society)? Those folks want us to believe we are winning against cancer because it justifies the many billion$ they have tipped into their coffers. They are loathe to admit, or maybe just incompetently aware for example, that the incidence of breast cancer in women is significantly higher around nuclear power facilities.
I don't know of
any (all, each and every one)
of the recent Presidential candidates, including Kucinich, who passed the litmus test of showing they will roll up their sleeves on the issue of our health and safety -safety being work, environment issues, along with maintaining and protecting natural sources for clean air, water and soil for us to live in and on.
Obama, Olberman, Alter & CO are proving to be Reagan,Bush-Clinton, Bush ii redux-they are unable to free themselves of the burden of the myth of the once shining America that was a golden age of freedom until the Blue Meanies ascended from welfare hell and turned the country into a teleco wired mesh of weaklings and slobs.
THADDEUS STEPHENS: I noticed the same thing in an article written by Barbara Ehrenreich in Harper's some years back... there is such a fear/reluctance to take on "big chemical" but it plays a HUGE role in the outbreak of a wide variety of cancers plaguing our nation. Diabetes is likely linked to the lazy lifestyles AND sugar/corn syrup in EVERYTHING!
One problem is that the climate of trespass is so dense, that there are SO MANY offenders, makes the capacity to establish the link of probable cause that much harder. Indeed we ARE awash in chemical soup and much of it is TOXIC or even radioactive (DU or past nuclear testing "dust")... I'd like to have a good health care system, or access to it, but at this point in time I do what I can to keep fit, eat a balanced diet, minimize sugar/caffeine/alcohol and try to process stress by being a kind, decent, caring HUMAN being. The rest is in the hands of higher forces, or I head to a different nation if a health concern I can't handle rears. I suspect others are considering the same. A few years ago I went to Mexico to get some dental caps. I heard about this in Ojai California and drove down to San Diego (border), left the vehicle, crossed through, and took a taxi to the dental clinic referred. I figured IF there was bottled water and I got a good "vibe" I'd do it. The place was very clean, the dentist knew which tooth needed work without X-rays, and I got 6 caps for about $1200. In the US they run about $700 plus EACH. I'm tempted to go back for more work!
Oh... most of the people at the dental clinic were Americans, and a woman friend from Key West told me she crossed the border closer to Arizona and got her teeth done. NO ONE has any complaints! We all had good work done.
My daughter was enrolled in a dental program at the University of Florida, a decision that plagues me with guilt to this day! I was told they did good work. I still probably spent $800. They said she needed root canal and a cap! The work was done so badly that my daughter got an absess later, and recently had to have an implant done to the tune of $4500 (in S. Florida). US prices are so high and our health care is NOT as good as other places...
None of this stuff means fuck-all - He's going to be a great prez.
A couple of thoughts. First Keith Olbermann has a diary on dailykos that addresses these issues. Second Mr. Olbermann says he changed his mind due to conversations he had with John Dean who pointed out that the telecoms are still open to criminal prosecution in the new FISA bill. Perhaps Obama plans on prosecuting the telecoms criminally. Third and finally the Patriot act has already given away the right to unreasonable search and seizure. Don't worry too much about FISA.
Olberman. Ahuh. Now what corporate niche does this Capitalist fill? Could it be that MSNBC knows how to suck in liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc., for the purpose of presenting their minds to corporate advertisers, and political operatives? The more viewers, the higher the ratings (stacked up against Bill O'Reilly on Faux Noise - a "horse race" in its own right that Olberman created). The higher the ratings, the higher the income revenue. As Chris Matthews writes in his new book: Whatever it takes! Therein lies the modus operandi, i.e., the major aspect of the main stream media's business plan. To expect anything other than that which successfully contributes to corporate profits is to misunderstand the purpose of the 21st century media. Everything. Absolutely everything in the main stream media is designed for one single purpose, that is, making money, and manipulating people so more money can be made. Olberman is no exception. Thinking he is, is naive. Neither the truth, nor consistency in reporting or presenting contradictory "special statements" matter to Olberman. What does matter is that the Olberman enterprise, like all other capitalist enterprise, monitor and adjust so that brain share continues moving upward. The big question regarding Olberman really is: Who gives a damn what he has to say about Obama, or anything else? Or whether he changes his tune? He, like Obama, are part and parcel of the same corporate system that has only a few things of importance on their mind: money and power. Obama, Olberman, McCain, FOX, etc., all not really such strange bedfellows in the king size bed of what controls us. Dump them all. Freedom means letting go of Olberman, Obama, FOX, McCain, et al. As musician Billy Bragg puts it, "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to sell". Vote anything other than Republican or Democrat. And shut the MSM TV and radio off. Run Ralph. Run!
We are seeing an example of party unity. There is one party today. The differences between Dems and Republicans are in the divide and rule issues that pale in significance to the real issues.
So you have this Corporate Fascist Party, and can choose in 2 colors, Red or Blue, Black or White. Nothings going to change.
Jesus, now we're going to start dumping on Olbermann, too!?!
Fuck people, we don't have that many liberal voices on the air. Let the guy make at least a couple mistakes before you denounce him and destroy him.
Oh yeah, let's toss Obama and Olbermann both in the trash because they practice a little realism. Then run out and vote for Nader, like that is going to usher in some kind of revolution. All it will usher in is McCain, a third term of Bush neocon policy, which will push your dream of a viable third party further away.
Let's get Obama elected, and THEN criticise him. THIS is how America works. It is NOT a proportional-representation parliamentary system. Our system is designed and constructed --intentionally or un-- to encourage, support and perpetuate TWO viable parties. Not three, four, six or whatever. Just two. The incumbent and the opposition.
This is the way it works, and the way it will continue to work. Unless we keep electing and re-electing "unitary executives" who are inaugurated with or without having the most actual votes. This is where we're going. We need to elect Obama and make it not even close. THEN we can work for change.
I smell alot of self-righteous bloggers around here lately and it smells like assholes!!
When Clinton panders and flip-flops in order to get votes, she's the Great Sataness. When Obama panders and flip-flops in order to get votes, he's a realist.
When Bush supports gutting the Bill of Rights, he's a fascist. When Obama supports gutting the Bill of Rights, he's saving us from fascism.
Don't you people understand-a dem has to move to the middle to get elected. Here we have a black man-the first candidate to be born without a silver spoon in a gazillion years with the potential to have empathy for the working class and you assholes are nitpicking about shit that in the long run won't mean anything-talk about an uninformed electorate!
Olbermann, Stewart, and Colbert, are heroes of mine. They used sarcasm and wit, to challenge the naked emperor, when everyone else cowered in fear.
I understand Olbermann's desire to forgive Obamam FISA vote, in order to avoid another four years of Bush Inc. I forgive Olbermann this trespass.
When Olbermann gets his President Obama, and realizes he was suckered well, hell hath no fury like a pundit scorned.
melmac78 June 27th, 2008 11:45 pm
"Don't you people understand-a dem has to move to the middle to get elected. Here we have a black man-the first candidate to be born without a silver spoon in a gazillion years with the potential to have empathy for the working class and you assholes are nitpicking about shit that in the long run won't mean anything-talk about an uninformed electorate!"
How is gutting the 4th Amendment moving to the middle? It's more like moving to the far right.
I'm sorry if disagreeing that the U.S. Constitution is "shit that in the long run won't mean anything" makes me an "asshole" who is "uninformed".
"Here we have a black man-the first candidate to be born without a silver spoon in a gazillion years with the potential to have empathy for the working class..."
Blah blah blah. Here we have a black man raised with a silver spoon by a white family in Hawaii who jokes about the price of arugula at Whole Foods and has never worked a real job in his entire life....
Get it RIGHT for a change. We can believe in hope?
With all due respect to those complaining about trashing Olbermann, he is a paid employee of General Electric and if you asked Americans across the country if they approved of being illegally spied on, the answer would be no. With the exception of the board of G.E. of course.
Zamboni_fahrer June 27th, 2008 4:43 pm, My sentiments exactly, Olberman "ROCKS OUT LOUD"!
The primary is over! The only thinking people in America have made their decision. Barack is now playing to an information-challenged audience for votes in November.
Obama has said that he would try to get the immunity portion stripped from the New FISA bill. Trust me, his vote will not decide this issue.
Where was Hillary when Feingold and Dodd vowed to filibuster this bill? Well, she was not on board when the ship sailed, and I don't think she will catch up with it at the next port!
God, what a bunch of idiots some of you are! Keith Olberman, who told Bush to "Shut The Hell UP" on national TV, and you want to bring him down? Are you all working from Karl Rove's playbook?
Some of you need to spend some time with Bill O'Really in the "NOSE PIN ZONE"!!!
You really should watch the clip Greenwald was talking about here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5tBw0qT-8
Some of you need to spend some time with Bill O'Really in the "NOSE PIN ZONE"!!!
ROFL THAT'S genuinely funny!
"Jesus, now we're going to start dumping on Olbermann, too!?!
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"Fuck people, we don't have that many liberal voices on the air. Let the guy make at least a couple mistakes before you denounce him and destroy him."
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If calling people "idiots" makes you feel good then I'm glad I can contribute to your self-gratification. The truth is that Olberman is a paid employee of one of the biggest corporations and polluters there is: G.E. What master does he serve? Who says that people who criticize Olberman are liberals, or even liberal friendly. Liberals, remember are people who sanction Bush's crimes, you know, Democrats in Congress, liberals, did that. And when the times get tough, liberals change their self-identification to "progressive". Continue to watch the G.E., et al, mouth pieces talk. Giant corporations, military contractors like G.E., are good for you and the planet. Forbes magazine reports that G.E. employees contributions to Obama are in the top 10. Any connections between Obama, Olberman, and G.E. You think? http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/26/beltway-election-politics-biz-wash-cz_atg_0326election.html
Jozef, what exactly did Olberman say that you equate with him pissing in your corn flakes anyway?
Did you read the original article way up above?
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"What's much more notable is Olbermann's full-scale reversal on how he talks about these measures now that Obama — rather than George Bush — supports them."
Jozef, don't just read the out-of-context statements in Greenwalds article - You really should watch the clip Greenwald was talking about here -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5tBw0qT-8
- then tell me what he said.
Those who wish to crucify Olberman should also take a good look at the body of work he has done over the last few YEARS!