Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control
WASHINGTON - Is everything spinning out of control?
Midwestern levees are bursting. Polar bears are adrift. Gas prices are skyrocketing. Home values are abysmal. Air fares, college tuition and health care border on unaffordable. Wars without end rage in Iraq, Afghanistan and against terrorism.
Horatio Alger, twist in your grave.
The can-do, bootstrap approach embedded in the American psyche is under assault. Eroding it is a dour powerlessness that is chipping away at the country's sturdy conviction that destiny can be commanded with sheer courage and perseverance.
The sense of helplessness is even reflected in this year's presidential election. Each contender offers a sense of order - and hope. Republican John McCain promises an experienced hand in a frightening time. Democrat Barack Obama promises bright and shiny change, and his large crowds believe his exhortation, "Yes, we can."
Even so, a battered public seems discouraged by the onslaught of dispiriting things. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll says a barrel-scraping 17 percent of people surveyed believe the country is moving in the right direction. That is the lowest reading since the survey began in 2003.
An ABC News-Washington Post survey put that figure at 14 percent, tying the low in more than three decades of taking soundings on the national mood.
"It is pretty scary," said Charles Truxal, 64, a retired corporate manager in Rochester, Minn. "People are thinking things are going to get better, and they haven't been. And then you go hide in your basement because tornadoes are coming through. If you think about things, you have very little power to make it change."
Recent natural disasters around the world dwarf anything afflicting the U.S. Consider that more than 69,000 people died in the China earthquake, and that 78,000 were killed and 56,000 missing from the Myanmar cyclone.
Americans need do no more than check the weather, look in their wallets or turn on the news for their daily reality check on a world gone haywire.
Floods engulf Midwestern river towns. Is it global warming, the gradual degradation of a planet's weather that man seems powerless to stop or just a freakish late-spring deluge?
It hardly matters to those in the path. Just ask the people of New Orleans who survived Hurricane Katrina. They are living in a city where, 1,000 days after the storm, entire neighborhoods remain abandoned, a national embarrassment that evokes disbelief from visitors.
Food is becoming scarcer and more expensive on a worldwide scale, due to increased consumption in growing countries such as China and India and rising fuel costs. That can-do solution to energy needs - turning corn into fuel - is sapping fields of plenty once devoted to crops that people need to eat. Shortages have sparked riots. In the U.S., rice prices tripled and some stores rationed the staple.
Residents of the nation's capital and its suburbs repeatedly lose power for extended periods as mere thunderstorms rumble through. In California, leaders warn people to use less water in the unrelenting drought.
Want to get away from it all? The weak U.S. dollar makes travel abroad forbiddingly expensive. To add insult to injury, some airlines now charge to check luggage.
Want to escape on the couch? A writers' strike halted favorite TV shows for half a season. The newspaper on the table may soon be a relic of the Internet age. Just as video stores are falling by the wayside as people get their movies online or in the mail.
But there's always sports, right?
The moorings seem to be coming loose here, too.
Baseball stars Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens stand accused of enhancing their heroics with drugs. Basketball referees are suspected of cheating.
Stay tuned for less than pristine tales from the drug-addled Tour de France and who knows what from the Summer Olympics.
It's not the first time Americans have felt a loss of control.
Alger, the dime-novel author whose heroes overcame adversity to gain riches and fame, played to similar anxieties when the U.S. was becoming an industrial society in the late 1800s.
American University historian Allan J. Lichtman notes that the U.S. has endured comparable periods and worse, including the economic stagflation (stagnant growth combined with inflation) and Iran hostage crisis of 1980; the dawn of the Cold War, the Korean War and the hysterical hunts for domestic Communists in the late 1940s and early 1950s; and the Depression of the 1930s.
"All those periods were followed by much more optimistic periods in which the American people had their confidence restored," he said. "Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen again."
Each period also was followed by a change in the party controlling the White House.
This period has seen intense interest in the presidential primaries, especially the Democrats' five-month duel between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Records were shattered by voters showing up at polling places, yearning for a voice in who will next guide the country as it confronts the uncontrollable.
Never mind that their views of their current leaders are near rock bottom, reflecting a frustration with Washington's inability to solve anything. President Bush barely gets the approval of three in 10 people, and it's even worse for the Democratic-led Congress.
Why the vulnerability? After all, this is the 21st century, not a more primitive past when little in life was assured. Surely people know how to fix problems now.
Maybe. And maybe this is what the 21st century will be about - a great unraveling of some things long taken for granted.
© 2008 Associated Press
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The wiliest of creations.
Sly, slinking, hiding, creeping,
Lying, sneaking, craving, keeping,
Devouring completely,
Licking, sucking and not leaving.
Wanting.
Staying on like an uninvited guest,
Leeching, parasitic, disguised
As a friend,
A protector,
Cloaked in the safety of an Image.
The image you think you want.
The clothes you feel like wearing,
To impress, to win,
To feel safe, accepted, loved.
A lie—A lie one lives.
Be ware.
When imagination thinks it's free of ego's clutches,
Be sure, its stealth is peaking.
Peeking at yet another Image that appears to fit.
Appears to match who you think you may be.
THINK about it—It's the only way.
The only way to be free.
As ego's slave we cling to the Things and Stuff that Image our Self.
Mastering ego, blacklisting ego, releases all that we aren't,
Strips our Self naked.
Bare.
Free of stuff,
Free of Fear—the father/mother of Anger,
Free from the Image(s) others continuously place on us,
Free from fearing what we can't control,
Free from fearing we can't control,
Free from fearing rejection,
Free from fearing the value of currency,
Free to find the currency inside.
Without ego, one's Free to mine their personal treasure,
And exchange it with ego-less others.
The ego-less self lives Love.
Wiley Love, the soul of creation,
The most valuable of creations.
Winter 2008
For Joel
Nope,
not yet,
da fuse is lit
¿ Can ya see it ?
¿ NOW ?
Pearce also says, after describing how Greek and Roman culture was preserved during the Dark Ages by monks, and re-birthed again in the "so-called Enlightenment and Renaissance", that, (by quoting Moris Berman's book "The Twilight of American Culture") we are ripe for such a cycle, such a revolution.
HOWEVER, Pearce adds, "Saving our cultural heritage may be a mixed bag at best..."
"We might, to better advantage, try saving our biological heritage, a well-worked-out-package billions of years old that has behind it the intelligence of life and not just the intellect of a PATRIARCHAL FIASCO. With our biological apparatus intact, we could create cultures at will, even BENEVOLENT ones, and let the past and its MISERABLE bloodlust fade away."
Are ya wondering what the heck Biological heritage might be?
Read his book "The Biology of Transcendence: A Blueprint of the Human Spirit" to find out how SCIENCE backs his ideas.
Just to be clear; the above post is in jest.
Mouse, Does that mean that the Apocalypse is a metaphor, or something? Are Jesus' words not to be taken literally, are they more like fairy tales or something?
I PRAY for you. I pray (for your poor soul) that you're not blaspheming our lord in this way! Don't even think about taking a risk like that, risking your damned soul!!
I'll pray for you tonight on my knees at my bedside, I want you to be saved.
hybridoma2001 - Perhaps you have never heard of the Nag Hammadi. It is a cannon of written works excluded from the christian bible and recovered in this century. Among them are four works attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. My spiritual instructor provided them to me and after reading them I came to the conclusion that they are indeed the four gospels in the New Testament, which are nearly verbatim rewrites of Jesus' 4 sections in the Nag. They are presented almost entirely in parable form and well worth reading, even for non-christians.
On this website, and in common sense fora, it has been established clearly that:
1) Bush, Cheney, and Co. lied us into war for the oil and strategic pre-emptive securement of the globe's energy resources (we all know this);
2) The American people -- as a sheeple whole, subject to manipulation -- at least up till now, are perfectly willing to allow that "impeachment is off the table;" which in turn means that
3) We are letting war criminals go free, which means that there is no justice or rule of law at all at the highest level, that our freedoms are a fiction (try exercising them truly and see what happens), and that people will continue to suffer unless We the People can wise up somehow;
4) Rumblings about bombing Iran, which has not violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which is not emphasized at all in the media) may be on the receiving end of a shock and awe campaign that will kill thousands of civilians and perhaps get things really going, in a chain reaction of insane killing as happened in the past two world wars, and including the other insane wars that happened in localized geographical areas throughout the 20th century; are not being countered in the mainstream media because the mainstream media (oops, I mean "liberal" media -- {how ironic}!) is in cahoots with the military-industrial complex that the Commie Republican war hero president Eisenhower warned about in 1961;
5) We have a conscience, many of us are very articulate and are not being heard;
6) We who are aware of the "problem" are living in "interesting times" where we are watching, probably, the demise of this great democratic experiment with all its warts but up till recently had made some progress;
7) Posting is very time-intensive but serves to clear one's mind, but accomplishes little in terms of preventing catastrophe.
Finally) Only a voluntary grass-roots movement can save us, but it is as likely as...
you can imagine.
Sigh.
Pluckistani_Pete June 22nd, 2008 2:36 pm
George Bush is the leader of the free world and he says he's a BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN. I trust him implicitly to lead us through these difficult times.
Many of you are Christians, too. Don't you want people to trust you?
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NO! I'm a proud atheist and way too many times have I read about religion (Christianity is famous for it) being used as a justification for murder and wholesale destruction. That bush is a "born-again Christian" is more fuel for the fire. Anytime I hear someone say they are "born-again", I start looking for the exit because I know the fireworks are coming.
What can just a few of us do to solve just one world problem? First,forget buying fresh tomatoes. . I for one want to put my energy and money on just one serious problem like protecting defenseless animals and children. All one person can do is just concentrate on one problem at a time. Collectively, We should begin with impeaching Bush and the whole gang. As for myself? Well, I'm buying a ton of canned tomatoes for the rest of the year as I can always think better with a plate of spagetti, or a bowl of chili..
Hey MWF, just because us God-Fearin' CHRISTIANS are sometimes each others' fathers, no need to make fun. Chicken plucking and catfish harvesting is honest work, as long as it's done in the NAME of JESUS.
You read the article - "...and maybe this is what the 21st century will be about - a great unraveling of some things long taken for granted."
Never take the LORD JESUS for granted! Lest HE, through the works of HIS followers McCain, Hagee, Prince, and Robertson, unleash the most powerful tribulations ever seen in the American Heartland of Chickenpluckistan!
I am not a chicken plucker. I'm a chicken plucker's son. I'm only pluckin' chickens 'till the chicken pluckin's done.
Why did Chicken Little not make it across the Road? ....
.... ....
Because it was chicken!
RE the article's quote, "Home values are abysmal," I beg to differ. Home prices were artificially, even fraudulently, inflated during the past few years and far outpaced incomes which have scarcely risen at all. In addtition to other aspects of the housing bubble, appraisers were coerced to meet the number by unscrupulous and greed lenders, builders, and sometimes individual sellers. The bigger the loan the bigger everyone's commission. The loans were often of the toxic, even illgal, kind, and we all know--or should know--that that's had a huge impact on the economy as this fraud came crashing down. Home prices were never "worth" what people thought during the bubble. That was a sham and it made housing unaffordable for most people. The fact many got into unaffordable homes, (again often w/toxic loans), is not a good thing. House prices need to come down to reality again. People cannot afford them and would be putting themselves at financial risk to accept even today's "lower" prices. The old rule of thumb that your mortgage should only be about a quarter of your monthly income is still a good one. What good is it to keep prices artificially high and keep people slave to their houses because they really can't afford them? Is that the so-called "dream of homeownership?"
Hmmm, fedayeen. Well, I had a conversation recently with a man who has been in and out of the prison and mental health system, a rap-enthusiast, from the day, and according to him and his bro's and sista's, weese no flukes, even if they don't have a weblog language to speak in. And there's more where that comes from. All tribal folk ain't too pleased.
One thing this guy wanted to know was how to download music, how to surf the net, how to get online.
Don't be so high you can't see what's going on on the ground, at the roots of this country's misfortune.
Face it, we are flukes of the universe and have no right to be here. Get a grip!!!
Plucki ought to have his own show!
Which COURAGEous network will step up first? Unfortunately, you'll never know what he's gonna say next, being a free-spirited American and all.
Plucki is *one* FREE bird.
Pluckistani_Pete,
I too have enjoyed your satire throughout the thread. You ought to do a Saturday Night Live skit or go on the Daily Show.
After a prayerful sleep, I thought I'd ask all of us to join me in thanking the GOOD LORD for our bounty in these trying times.
Remember, George Bush wisely tells us of many jobs to be had for those who seek honest employment in JESUS' NAME. For example, here we are, working and CELEBRATING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-pbRxIlpuw
After a hard day's work, we go down to the range in the Chickenpluckistani Heartland in our red SUV and take our place among the Blackwater enlistees who strive to provide freedom for all white Christians everywhere. PRAISE JESUS.
Rick wrote, in defence of capitalism:
"Go ahead a turn that facet and get hot water and tell me that life is not easier then it as ever before for many."
...and until ewcently, virtually public water supplies were run by local governments - quite socialistic. At very least the water is of drinkable quality only becase of socialistic government regulation.
And Kernal wrote, also defending capitalism,
"As there is no motivation to work harder in a share all system, that does not function either...."
1. "Working harder" is good because???
2. If working harder leads to personal wealth, why is there exactly an inverse relationship between the arduousness of work and compensation for it?
And once again, people make the mistake of confusing people being compelled by the rules imposed on them by a system with "human nature". Ther are plenty of examples of people working very hard at low pay for things other than their greedy selves.
Well, according to Joseph Chilton Pearce, author of "The Biology of Transcendence," Jesus got such a bad edit because those in power wanted to maintain power.
And, according to Pearce, "The state of love Jesus referred to is a source of indeterminable strength, but is powerless and is attainable only by dropping a mind-set centered on POWER, intellectual prediction and control, and personal defense and self-service, all of which depend on or breed law in some guise."
"The worldview he pointed toward lay beyond intellect and logic. ..Jesus interiorzied these centuries-old projections; he 'owned' the ancient projections of God and realized his and our own nature in so doing. He proclaimed that God was not out there on some mountain or in some tempble to be worshiped as a projected abstraction, but instead was here within us to be worshiped--if you must use the word--in spirit and truth." --J.C. Pearce
Plucki's a court jester, a joker, a satirist. Funny too!
Angel, I believe you're right, leave the addiction, and the pushers disappear.
It's happening already. McCain, for example, recently cried out for offshore drilling, off CA's coast. No response. Then Bush makes himself look like an idiot by demanding CA's desperate coast be drilled to 'cure' the energy crisis. Schwarzenegger brushed off the the whitehouse's PR, dismissed it like an annoying fly.
They keep talkin', keep roaring, but that administration is toothless, we YAWN. And move on. MS media, coming home, just "airing" the king's mad babblings, letting him believe he's in charge. Can you believe how out-of-touch our "leaders" are!?!
They're like that senile relative who has ceased to hear or see anything but the past, they're irrelevant and more so every single day. They need to be senile, because to OWN the destruction that their vision has manifest would be too much for a human soul to bear.
I am a strong believer in Karma and in Karmic debt. Need I say it? The chickens are coming home to roost. They always do.
Throwing the writer's strike in there was pretty absurd.
Kernal June... Clinton did what he did as the victim of the worst of the radical Conservative's arguments. Clinton did what he did to diminish their power and influence, but sadly, it wasn't enough nor did he have support of the people who voted for him because they haven't been, nor are they, we, informed enough to make reasoned decisions.
Blame Clinton? Okay, but the policies of this God-damnable "president" Bush is a far greater magnification of what Clinton has ever done.
A solution? Armed Rebellion.
Pluckistani_Pete: I was going to stay out of this but I will just say one thing. Jesus never wrote one single word. There is nothing in existance that can be said to have been written by Jesus of Nazareth. So when your speak of the word of Jesus, please be more precise and state that these are the words of whomever claims to have quoted Jesus 50 to 150 years after his death.
4thefuture:
Is Plukistani satirical or is he, perhaps, a Bushbot, aka agent provocateur assigned to disrupt the normal flow of political chatter on forums, etc?
Mordechai Shiblikov asked "(This is a joke, right?)" in reference to the following comment from Pluckistani. "George Bush is the leader of the free world and he says he's a BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN. I trust him implicitly to lead us through these difficult times.
I took all of Plukistani's remarks as being satirical. One basis for which is evident in the lines quoted above. You see, the way I look at things is - anyone able to use words such as 'implicitly' in a correct way, is obviously too intelligent to believe the actual content of their remarks, therefore - a jester.
And I have enjoyed the comments. I was taken aback when I started seeing comments that seemed to be taking him seriously.
I do not mean this in denigration of anyone who believed him. One of the serious downsides to satire is the ever present possibility that others may not recognize the humor and misinterpret the intent which can lead to all sorts of problems in the real world.
As someone who has never plucked a chicken, and never will, I say hats off to the Pluckistani raconteur.
Bush the 'leader of the free world? Neither is he a leader nor is the world free. More and more we are being ruled by big business, in cahoots with government, and this is called FASCISM. A decadent society where lies and deceptions are the hallmark of the 21st century.
The dealer always controls the addiction... sober up and the dealer moves on. What happened to just love and community? That is something the dealer does not understand.
Seemingly?! It took us one hundred years of careless innovation to get here. Is it going to take us another hundred years to understand the fact that our way of life is not working?! It is all a facade people... We have lost touch with what is real and true in this world. We have lost our spirituality and our sense of individual responsibility and respect for the natural world we live in! We blame each other and not ourselves the ills of our society. Ya, things are damn scary, so we all need to learn to survive off the land and on our own or we're all going to be dead! This is like a big exam that we have put off studying for and now the paper is in front of us, pencil in hand... there is no turning back! And guess what, we've used up all of our cheat sheets! Who said death was such a bad thing? Oh I know, FEAR said it! That's what got us into this mess in the first place!
Kernal June: That there is no incentive in a share all system was explicated in great detail By Mancur Olsen. He shows how only a separate incentive to contribute or coercion works in common goods. It's true in lots of ways, but it also explains why the belief leads so quickly to the use of force by power elites. It's much more difficult to craft an incentive which goes only to those who contribute, but I think it much preferable to the use of the coercive powers of state to that end. The answer, I think, lies in making the extra effort needed to create a greater stake in things for all of us. That can happen if we begin to see how resorting to simple coercion ultimately fails because it is antithetical to the idea of freedom. What I see is the neocon willingness to use the sword to make slaves of us. If we bother to create a society in which most people have a stake, ie, are rewarded proportionately to their contribution rather than merely according to their greed, I think we'll solve the problem. I think we can do it, but we'll have to quit idolizing greed. We're going to have to quit allowing the 10% who own the 90% to use these ideas to keep us pondering that things could be worse. The truth is that they can be a lot better if wealth would not be so concentrated. How many luxuries can a person use?
Now before we go to sleep, let us all say a prayer for our leaders Bush and Cheney, that they may continue to guide us wisely.
"Dear Lord - May you bless Bush, Cheney, and their ilk, so that they may continue to evangelize the Word of the Lord beyond the confines of Chickenpluckistan and unto all peoples everywhere, replacing ignorance with their wisdom, and that of John Hagee as well. Yours in JESUS. Amen"
Yes, this is a very wierd thread.
Exactly DavidB2. Cool.
Sure we've got problems and some of them are big problems, but I for one still have plenty of faith in our ability to pull it out of the fire. People are jumping on the alternative energy bandwagon like never before. In 10 years time, there probably won't be an all gasoline car left on the road.
So, I'm not quite ready to go march in the street with my "the end is near" banner. We'll find a way.
The article says,
"President Bush barely gets the approval of three in 10 people..."
This is journalistic crap. Every chicken plucker I know supports Bush, strong drug laws, and a CHRISTIAN nation.
OK, catch, let's get back to the content: "The can-do, bootstrap approach embedded in the American psyche is under assault. Eroding it is a dour powerlessness that is chipping away at the country's sturdy conviction that destiny can be commanded with sheer courage and perseverance."
The article is titled "Everything SEEMINGLY is Spinning Out of Control."
This is fabulous news! We can finally drop that ol' way of thinking, (ie. that we can do it ALL on our own.) The days of the westerners, the imperialists, fascists, etc., etc., are numbered, finally. Finally fading into blue, or whatever color, all the colors. Together we CAN-DO it, no problem, in a matter of days, who knows? Nothing is impossible, that's for sure! America will be redefined, freedom will be redefined, government will be redefined. Spin, planet, spin. Spin into peace & harmony.
Many things seem worse than they are because, despite his proclaimed "born again" status, W has led us to the scourge of mammon and the evils of militarism. We will suffer there until we love our neighbor as ourself, and only the necessity of pulling together can lead us away from the false premise of rugged self-seeking. It is a miracle. We are our brother's keeper. Each of us.
George Bush is the leader of the free world and he says he's a BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN. I trust him implicitly to lead us through these difficult times. (This is a joke, right?)
George Wanker Bush is 1) a Punk 2) a Pathological Liar 3) an arrested adolescent 4) a pirate 5) a killer by remote control 6)a legend in his own mind 7) an idiot 8) an imbecile 9) a moron 10) The Manchurian Candidate 11) an imperialist 12) a religious fanatic 13) THE ABSOLUTE VERY DEFINITION OF HUMAN MEDIOCRITY. 14) Death's head cheerleader. These qualities are what made him such an American success story. He has turned the United States into a monstrous 99 Cent Store built at the entrance to a graveyard.
I agree with a number of the posters that this thread has gone completely to hell. This seems to be happening more and more and is impacting a lot of different sites. Is it because the idiots have taken up blogging, or simply because fear, anger and frustration are really taking hold? Whatever the reason, I've pretty much given up on posting. Nobody wants to listen, and everyone wants to fight. A shame, really.
endCapitalism___I do not know how we are going to end it, as the capitalists are pretty much in control of everything. Even if we were able to install a socialistic society, in a short span of time the same people would regain their exrra share of the commonwealth.
As there is no motivation to work harder in a share all system, that does not function either. It takes a profit motive to get people in gear as our country has demonstrated for decades. Our problem now is a total lack of leadership and concern for others, not our capitalistic system.
Seat belts fastened? Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SallyUUKent June 22nd, 2008 10:57 pm
"I don't know how much tighter I can pull my belt. I've cut and cut and cut right down to the bone and I still can't make ends meet. I may well have to go to the local food bank just to be able to eat regular meals."
Yes the increasing hardship is expanding and after a point there are no more choices except to do without food or medicine or both. There is a great quiet suffering in America that will not be met by government or corporate assistance. The cruelty of selfishness governs American behaviors today.
Get organised to hold End Of The World parties. We have reached the end of our rope. We have been fed a crock by our leaders. They have taken us for a ride. We have been manipulated, done over so that few could have it all.
Make the most of the next weeks and months. It might well be all we have. Israel is getting ready to nuke Iran then the floodgates will open.
Orwell warned us but did we listen?
www.dangerouscreation.com
So true, Stephan V. Riley, but you need to go further! The CD crowd mostly has socialast leanings, but they are profoundly squishy and underdeveloped, based upon the postings here and elsewhere in CD-Land. What we need is a specific recipe for success.
It turns out that there is exactly one recipe that is known at this time: There will be no humanitarian peace until we achieve global economic integration under workers' control. That socilaist economy will never exist short of proletarian revolution led by a competent political party. There will be no such political party, if we don't build it. Today's task is thus to build the party of global socialism. This road is well traveled, if a little bit weedy at the moment, and it leads inextricably to a Trotskyist poitical party. Period. Any other proposal is ignorance, cynicism, or treachery. If you are sincere and bother to look, you will find that all other proposals end up leaving the imperialists in power, just as they hoped you would conclude.
'Respectable' journalists will be neither if they speak out for communism. Still, this Chicken Little article does nothing but increase despair, and is not at all helpful.
Ominous clouds are quickly gathering, and we need to end the paralysis of fretting and wishing, and get serious about finishing the work of human liberation. The solution already exists, but nobody wants to touch it. The rise of Stalin heavily tarnished the communist movement, but the fundamentals remain the same. Please try to get beyond the manufactured confusion, and realize that communism is possible, and, in fact, the only alternative to endless war, poverty, and human exploitation.
Nobody knows who I am, and my ego is not that large, but serious humantarians might want to check out my other CD postings for variations on this theme.
Build the party of international proletarian socialist revolution!
Read Marx: Das Capital, Vol. 1. The Penguin Classic edition has an excellent intro by Ernest Mandel. Intellectual laziness seems to permeate much of this CD thread and many others lately.
Citizenblog says:
"Which planet are you living on?"
My reply:
You tell me of another time in the history of mankind that a such high standard living as been achieved for so many.
Now I not the one to phase capitalism with it's many faults.. But Come on "Citizenblog",look at the hell that mankind as suffered through the ages and tell me you think we have not had it better for the last hundred years then any generation that lived before. Go ahead a turn that facet and get hot water and tell me that life is not easier then it as ever before for many.
But what we may be learning in some instances Citizenblog is that easier is not necessarily better. And the price we and future generations are and may pay for easier, will not be worth it.
You Big Weirdo said: I think this sense of things falling apart explains two things:
Why thre are so very many young (20s) people breeeding like rabbits — they are to frightened to look outside and by breeding they create a little pseudo-nest that they think they will be safe in. Ha!
Huh? "Continuing a 12-year decline, the U.S. birth rate has dropped to the lowest level since national data have been available, according to statistics just released by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
The birth rate among women of peak childbearing age has also been declining. Birth rates for women in their 20s and early 30s were generally down..."
And the same reason is why so many people in the 30s and 20s are so gauga abt the Obama Christ — they are desperate for a savior, and they are too lazy and selfish to think abt actually doing anything themselves to correct things.
I've got big news for you. You are describing Bush supporters who think he has a pipeline to God, not Obama supporters. Obama appeals to grassroots organizers and workers who support the Constitution on progressive democratic values and are going out into their communities and making a difference. We aren't all young either. At 66, I am an Obama supporter who is working on a county council campaign and a governor's contest.
Most of the above postings have been the worst I have ever read on CommonDreams
endCapitalism: "The 21st Century will be the unraveling of capitalism. It is unable to solve the problems of humanity. It's time to look for alternatives"..........
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
There is a great parallel going on now to what happened in 1929. The 20's were another time of easy credit and excess borrowing until the bottom fell out, much like what is happening now. How many of you, day in, day out, receive credit card offers in the mail offering low or no interest introductory rates that are highly tempting to do a balance transfer on until the rate jumps up to its non-introductory interest rate?
Then, once that high interest rate sets in and you've transferred your higher interest rate debts to this new card, suddenly, you're right back where you started again, and if you can't pay your minimum balance, the credit card companies slap both high interest rates on you and late fee penalties, putting you further and further in debt until you can no longer pay it off. Once upon a time, usury was illegal, but in this era, it's not, and credit card companies can charge as high an interest rate as they want (one card that I do not use and haven't in years has a 35% APR on it, and why, I don't know, because I don't carry a balance on it and haven't used it in absolute forever, and with an APR like that, I won't ever do so again).
If people think things are bad now, well, we're just seeing the beginning of what will doubtless turn into an even worse credit crunch once the bottom falls out of the subprime mortgage market, which I understand hasn't happened yet. Add to that the burgeoning credit card debt owed by millions of Americans and you can see why megabanks and speculators are running oil prices through the roof, to recoup the billions they've lost and will continue to lose in the subprime and credit crunch crises.
Brace yourselves, the worst is yet to come. Those of us who used to have comfortable incomes are now finding ourselves living paycheck to paycheck and counting nickels and dimes and praying that we have enough money to get through the month. I've never been this worse off in my life, and I work full time at my 25 year career, live frugally in a tiny and cheap apartment, drive a newer fuel efficient car, skip meals daily to stretch my dollars, pack my lunch everyday at work and walk places whenever possible (despite the fact that my right leg is currently in a cast and may well be all summer long!).
Between food, gas and health care, I'm lucky if I have anything at all left over at the end of the month. I've never struggled so hard in my life to make ends meet. And I don't know when or if it will ever end. As a result of the cast on my right leg, my hopes of landing a second part time job to supplement my income have been dashed for a few months until I heal up from an Achilles tendon injury. I don't exactly relish the idea of joining the millions who work between 60 and 80 hours a week, but I don't think I'm going to have a choice before long if I expect to survive this economy. It truly does take two incomes to survive, and even then, I know plenty of two income couples who are struggling as well.
I don't know how much tighter I can pull my belt. I've cut and cut and cut right down to the bone and I still can't make ends meet. I may well have to go to the local food bank just to be able to eat regular meals. Food has gotten just too expensive for me to afford. My medications are ridiculously expensive and I've even cut the use of one down from twice a day to once a day to stretch out having to buy it. None of my meds is available in generic, so I am stuck paying full price for them. Ain't cheap, either! And there's no way that this country is going to go in for single payer health care. It smacks of THE "S" WORD(!!!!) - socialism - and people are still afraid of that concept. So nothing's going to get fixed where health care is concerned, either.
In short, our country's broken, perhaps irretrievably. Maybe it's time to go back and start over again from Square One. Go back to the essentials and fix things from the ground floor up. It may take several generations to accomplish, but it may well be worth scrapping our current system in favor of a new one that works better for what we need now, not a previous, inefficient and broken model.
I guess the real terrorists are government officials, wall street and the federal reserve..
AND YOUR PAYING FOR IT ALL...duhhhh..TAX DOLLARS PEOPLE..CONTROL THE MONEY..AND YOU CONTROL THE POLITICS OF A NATION..HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS..EVERYTHING ELSE..IS SLEIGHT OF HAND..DEMS V. REPUGS. THE (S)ELECTION..ALL OF IT...THE TEEMING MASSES OF VOICES...BUT IT IS SO SIMPLE...IT ALL MUST BE FINANCED...AND IT IS...BY...Y-O-U! IF YOU IMPOSE YOUR OWN ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON THIS ROGUE GOVERNMENT...THE CHANGES WOULD BE SO FAST THE WHOLE REALITY WOULD ACTUALLY BE QUITE SCARY...FAST CHANGE..
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING WORKS...THIS IS WHY WALMART WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO KEEP UNIONS FROM FORMING...
DO NOT PAY..DO NPOT PAY..DO NOT PAY...AND IF YOU DO? THEN SHUT THE HELL UP...WORDS ARE USELESS..MARCHES ARE USELESS...(TELECOM IMMUNITY ANYONE? THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK)..BUT THE MONEY..THAT...THAT THEY MUST HAVE...THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE..MONEY..OR THE MACHINE STOPS..COLD..IN IT'S TRACKS...
THIS NATIONS PROBLOEMS ARE NOW ON THE HEADS OF THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO FINANCE THE BUSH REGIME...PERIOD..WITHOUT YOU TO PICK UP THE CHECK...THE PARTY STOPS..THEY WON'T PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES...IT HAS TO COME FROM YOU...SO..WAKE UP..OR SHUT UP!
LIVE FREE OR DIE...OR RATIONALIZE AWAY...THE CHOICE IS YOURS...(SEE FREEDOM AINT DEAD..)
The holy spirit is in the fundies today huh!
borisshootnikoff: I'm with you. Anyone who would use athletes on steroids as a sign of a coming apocalypse is an idiot. If some baseball player wants to permanently screw up his system just to get his face on a Wheaties box, so be it. It's certainly not a matter worthy of a Congressional investigation.
Pluckistani_pete: Well played, good sir, well played.
Right on Kitaj, June 22nd, 2008 6:12 pm.
I would only add to that a couple of quotes -
Man will never truly be free until the last priest is strangled with the entrails of the last king - That one is attributed by Voltaire to an atheist French priest.
and
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, man will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix
I can't think of anything to say.
The SKY is falling! Can't everyone SEE!
Look out. It's happening. Soon the RAPTURE will whooshk all the bad good guys away. I hope one's not piloting the plane I'm taking to Pennsylvania. I'd rather have the sky fall on me instead of me falling with the sky.
After the fall, the rest of us can continue to continue.
Our new leader Undercover Brother (Mr. Obama) will continue the white wash for the ruling elite.
Has anyone noticed that he is just the same as the people who have ruined our nation?
Mr. Obama is flip flopping on the issues which got him the nomination: the wars will continue; he will not take public financing of his election, as he promised; he will vote to give immunity to the corporation who broke the law under FISA.
The undercover brother is a phony.
And many people are going to support that phony.
Pluckistani, we're not looking for Jews or Christians to convert this world. In fact, we'd rather do without them (both).
We rather need good-hearted people with a strong vision, and preferably -no religion.
If you think you are a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Christian, your first job might be to get a brain transplant - your salvation does not depend on these.
Your next job would be to forget religion (a bureacracy founded on belief) and work, as a lonely human being, towards your own salvation, and that of others (as Jesus did, and Mohammed, and Lao Tze, and Milarepa, and Abraham).
And Iraq: crime of the century. I think we should consider bringing the criminals to justice, otherwise we have to live with 'em. Not a pretty picture.
We've seen what they've done. We've let them do what they do. And, where has it got us?
Pluckistan, you're caught in the middle-- neither funny or anything else. But you're appropriate for this thread, which is as willybill so correctly pointed out, the worst he ever saw in Common Dreams.
Part of the reason Stanley Kubrick made "Dr. Strangelove" was the fatalism he noticed in Americans about the Cuban missile crisis in 1963: People seemed to be saying, "Oh, Armageddon? Well, let it happen then."
We have similar recurrence now. Face it, we're lazy as hell. Couldn't we all do something positive like try to convince George H.W. Bush to stop George W. Bush from attacking Iran?
Maybe the father could try reverse psychology and tell him to attack Iran and then he wouldn't.
Oh, oh, now I'm getting cynical myself.
I've always pictured the U.S. as a giant cesspool, a huge vortex of slime that washes dead bodies, pollution, politicians, cluster bombs, radiation, sadness and death into a little pool at its centre (cover charge: $1000), enjoyed by less than 1% of the population, who grin, even smirk over their Daquiris, as the bodies float by, with the ch-ching! of cash registers as the little crosses go up on the hillside.
Instead of fighting overseas against unscrupulous dictators (mainly supported by the U.S.), it might be an idea to turn your bullets against the real enemy - the enemy of your life, your existence, the one who gave you high gas prices and stolen elections, and stolen taxes.
Their refrain is likely: catch me if you can.
Well, can we? To date, the answer is no, we can't. The absolute requirement is: if we don't, we die. Your government is not on your side. They are not with you, they are against you, and using you. Correct?
Dydymus, you might be right. He might have some Colbert-like thing going on.
This is a link to an article about this column:
http://vocalminority.typepad.com/blog/2008/06/liberal-media-bias-aps-alan-fram-and-eileen-putnam.html
Spinning???.....
Out of Control???.....
Whoa............!!!
Come on folks... RELAX - haven't you heard of PlumpyNut???
Absolutely Orwellian MindFuck on 60 Minutes tonight, courtesy of the perfectly quaffed Anderson Cooper.
Millions of starving children in Africa got your knickers in a twist??? Not to worry - PLUMPYNUT to the rescue. Not one single mention of the monstrous government collusion in causing these depredations upon the poor. Nor any mention of justice or government accountability to its citizens - just PLUMPYNUT!!
My guess is this will be a 3rd world trial balloon to test the efficasy of PLUMPYNUT as a precursor to the final solution - SOYLENT GREEN!
"I think fellow Common Dreamers that we have all had the good fortune to Live through a time in history of unparalleled economic expansion and many of us enjoyed the wealth that came from it."
Which planet are you living on?
I think fellow Common Dreamers that we have all had the good fortune to
Live through a time in history of unparalleled economic expansion and many of us enjoyed the wealth that
Came from it.
Now the time as come to pay the piper.. So, grit you teeth and savoir the memories of better times..
Because soon it will be coming to an end and things will be much harder then we have known.
RBS Issues Global Stock and Credit Crash Alert
June 19, 2008
"The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.
"A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," said Bob Janjuah, the bank's credit strategist.
A report by the bank's research team warns that the S&P 500 index of Wall Street equities is likely to fall by more than 300 points to around 1050 by September as "all the chickens come home to roost" from the excesses of the global boom, with contagion spreading across Europe and emerging markets.
Such a slide on world bourses would amount to one of the worst bear markets over the last century."
There are many who agree with this, but with a slightly different time frame.. But
those who agree with this outcome agree with one thing, it is coming and it can't be avoided. To much easy credit, for too long, is what as fueled our high standard of living.
Now it must all unwind and reality set in.
I take strong issue with that. I am a simple catfish harvester, militia supporter, and chickepluckin' patriotic American. Me and my kin follow the true word of JESUS. Some of us have actually plucked chickens.
All I'm asking is that you trust EVERYONE who claims to understand the Word of the Lord, for they are all inspired by the Lord in their own special ways.
With Jews converting to Christianity in record numbers, we can soon claim Mission Accomplished.
It's looking like the 21st Century will be the unraveling of JudeoChristianity.
The age of Aries is over. Goodby Moses.
The age of Pisces is over. Goodby Jesus.
This is the age of Aquarius. Hello Gunga Din.
Thank you SallyUUKent and Preznit_Bouche
Second coming of the Gilded Age indeed, and the failure of capitalism. My thoughts precisely!
Also, Jesus is the real deal. Don't confuse those who claim to follow his advice (and don't) -- with the advice itself. If liberal/lefties would read the four gospels, they'd be able to strike out the lying faking hypocrite "Christians" every time.
Letting the right wing claim Christianity is stupid.
Bush or Cheney is no more Christian than Jack the Ripper is a good candidate for running a day care center.
Pluckistan is just a joker; he doesn't believe what he says, because what he says is a ridiculous stereotype -- nobody talks like that these days, do they? He's a liberal or centrist type just jerking us around: "the profound wisdom of Falwell..." Really. Not even one who listens to Falwell would phrase it that way.
(He says:
"You hedonistic, marijuana-smoking liberals, only through JESUS can you find true peace from the tribulations this article talks about. Listen to John Hagee. Read up on the profound Wisdom of Falwell. Support your chickenpluckin' Blackwater militias and ye shall be SAVED!"
God save the American Heartland of Pluckistan. We shall be wisked away at the end times by the bootstraps of JESUS." )
Je-sus! Bible thumping minimalists drive every argument into the dumper! There is no reality but theirs, well I beg to differ! That son of a Bush has gone about his business of destroying just about every social network he could find, or at least under funding it to the point of starvation, and we wonder why when natural disasters take place the politically driven operation loves to talk the talk but won't ever walk the walk. While Bush is congradulating his ignorant manager at Katrina for a job well done, he was serious! The damned fool had screwed up everything he possibly could to drive those Philistine poor folk democrats out of New Orleans and had done a superb job.
Woe is me! Everything is going to hell in a hand basket! We can't do anything about it! Wring hands! Cry despair! Weep! Moan! Thrash! Have you gotten out of your SUVs? Moved closer to work? Convinced others of the need to ACT and quit bitching? Is it the price of gas that bothers you, or the lack of it? Would you quit hitting yourself over the head with the hammer, or go get another one if someone took yours away? The time to ACT is now, and to hell with the system. Do you need a leader to tell you not to put your damned finger in the light socket? Too bad revelation comes so late to this benighted species. Is it the wall of water rushing at you that scares you, or the fact that you were too dumb to notice it until the rising tide was at your doorstep? Our over-consuming must stop at once. Each of us has a part in that, regardless of what leadership, or the imbecile next door is doing. Get off your butts and MOVE. Or, don't. The future belongs – collectively – to all of us, if we all work for it. It doesn't exist for polar bears, or for cub scouts, if we don't.
WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK I MOVED OUT OF THE usa? The country is screwed like so many have pointed out since 911. You remember the day the usa was invaded and beaten in a matter of hours by its own government? The right people in the right posistion (Bush on all 4's waiting for a reach around.) The rest doing what they are told by you guessed it Israel.
The Genghis Khan Is You
Genghis Khan got nothin on the flim flam fascist fools who lead us on
those mad suiter banker baron looter tapeworms of truck
growing exponentially like stupidity in a mission accomplished flight suit
squirting black gold like burning bail out bandits in the blackwater desert of despair
from New York to LA from Bagdad to Dubai
from depraved indifference to the fertile valley
from shock me better to the awe of deformed babies....
Genghis Khan was a prince of peace compared to you
The complicit many...... the you
The YOU
Whenever, I go to this site an read these comments, I see mostly a sort of shouting-out into a sort of void and very little actual conversation, dialog or debate.
This seems to be peculiar to Commondreams, although it is increasingly common on other internet news fora too - almost like we all are coming down with an acquired form of Aspergers syndrome.
Everything is going to continue to spin out of control until Congressional democrats with the support of what remains of good republicans, take immediate steps to hold Bush-Cheney accountable for crimes against The United States, its citizens. and humanity in general - - - the direct cause of over a million deaths. At the same time all parties must hold an emergency meeting to begin to restore order . . . from taxing the oil companies . . . to reversing global warming . . .
If they refuse to do the above and we citizens don't demand they take action, all will be lost, and citizens will have to live with that which helped create.
Lastly, this July 4th should be a day of mourning . . . for all who have been slaughtered in the war on Irag . . . I dare say more people have wept over the passing of Tim Russett than over a solitary solider or innocent civilian.
What a poorly written article. Steroids in sports? High prices for airline tickets? The worst ipso poll results since 2003? A f***ing writers strike messing up your couch time? This is an Associated Press Article? Is one required to do actual journalism these days to be a paid journalist? I could have written a better article in two hours (one hour spent googling fun facts).
Come on. How about peak oil? The not so quiet drum beats for war, or at the very least limited bombing of Iran by the US or Israel? Dwindling supplies of clean drinking water around the world? The list goes on and on.
It's this kind of fluff journalism that helped to get this country into the situation that its in with criminals running the country and the future of the working class being flushed down the toilet. Blah, blah, blah. Surely CD could find better.
Heaven forfend that I bring everyone down even further, but I think you ought to know:
On the way home from the market just now, I noticed Chicken Little crossing the road to get to the other side.
She didn't make it.
You hedonistic, marijuana-smoking liberals, only through JESUS can you find true peace from the tribulations this article talks about. Listen to John Hagee. Read up on the profound Wisdom of Falwell. Support your chickenpluckin' Blackwater militias and ye shall be SAVED!
God save the American Heartland of Pluckistan. We shall be wisked away at the end times by the bootstraps of JESUS.
We are seeing the result of this; GOOD people gravitate to work helping people, in the arts, something they like. Not politics, law or war.
P0WER-MAD SCUM seek power and attain it.
Over time this has resulted in those of us with souls being terrorized by the Cheney's, Bush's, and Addington's of this world.
Marx has yet to get much wrong, and so far America is on perfect track for a Revolution.
Bring
It
On.
Christianity is a hoax!!!
Not just the New Testament, but also the Old Testament and most of Judaism was taken from far, far older sources. The Jesus narrative pretty much comes from Egypt, and Genesis comes from Sumerian civilization. The whole Enlightened Godman/Son of God narrative exists all over the world, long predating christianity.
Then the story got historicized, with the name of Jesus, 150 years after his death, IF he even existed, which many historians doubt. Power hungry scumbags created and have used this Jesus Myth for purposes of power politics and social control.
At any rate, the idea that some lone jew who walked the sands of Palastine 2000 years ago is the only human who can achieve God-Realization is a monstrous lie: ALL the esoteric traditions state that Enlightenment is open to everyone if they engage the process.
We have literally let a hoax and the spurious religion of an obscure, two-bit tribe - the Jews - control our lives and our minds. This is insane. People like Bush or the Pope are not truly spiritual people: they are neurotic immature children. How long are we going to let this sick lie rule our lives?
Comparative esoteric religion, transpersonal psychology and psychedelic research provide a mountain of experiential and experimental evidence and investigative procedures for investigating the full range of the human mind and the full spectrum of consciousness, an investigation that goes light-years beyond conventional religion and fundamentalist materialist science.
These finding should and could revolutionize science and quantum-jump humanity to a whole higher, more mature orientation to existence, since we are now capable of distilling the essense of all the esoteric traditions from cultures around the world and positioning this essence within a universal framework that transcends race and local culture.
Every man and every woman is a Son/Daughter of the Great Spirit, and those who would try to deny us our birthright, our inherent right to pursue the Gnostic Revelation, are the ones who are dragging this world down into a Dark Age. The established religions have been waging war against true spirituality for centuries, and THAT is the story that needs to be told, the cover-up that needs to be ripped away and the truth that needs to be revealed.
The 21st Century will be the unraveling of capitalism. It is unable to solve the problems of humanity. It's time to look for alternatives and socialism certainly springs to mind. :-)
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I'll say it again…
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.
Never before as we do now
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nothing is out of control- things are simply in the control of those who can best make use of all eventualities. this is not a conspiracy theory- the folks that need to know what is going on-do. we don't often know their names nor do we ever get to vote for them but things are noy happening by accident or chance- they are by design. any ability for the average american to affect his own life through hard work, community effort and social bonding are long past. now we look like any other oligarchic and capitalist nation- already you see how quickly mr obama (change?) cleaves to the powers that be and shuts off any real avenue for change. special interest money, continuing long standing policies for cuba, israel and the economy are now set in stone. lets disabuse ourselves of the idea that people can quietly and democratically change our governments and power structures- always was a fantasy and forever will be. grow up. rise up-if you have the courage. will any of you die for your beliefs and freedom? - i won't. they win. . .
Pluckistani_Pete, George Bush is a "born again Christian" who has innocent people killed over lies for profit. That doesn't say much for Christianity now, does it.
They usually take photo ops of presidents exiting from churches on Sundays. Does the Chimp attend church every Sunday? Not that it matters, just curious....
We must educate ourselves as to the real economy. The MSM are only concerned with their bottom line, not yours, not mine and not the bottom line of our country. They, like the huge mega corporations are shortsighted in the extreme. Where are the real leaders, the true statesmen who have the understanding, vision and courage to lead this nation in the right direction once again. We have surely lost our way since Reagan-Bush. The middle class is disappearing. We are living on debt. Our nation is living on debt. We need a change, a big change in government. We don't need more of the same. Vote change this November.
The next president of The United States of America, Sen. John McCain, assures us that the USA is the greatest nation on Earth and that has ever existed on Earth, and that there is nothing to worry about because, well, we're the greatest nation on Earth and that has ever existed on Earth.
Nothing is spinning out of control. It's just your imagination (and those America-hating liberals.) All is well. Bad weather happens. We are the greatest. Energy and food is plentiful. All is well. We are "winning" the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. We are very great. The economy is strong. All is well and we are really very, very great.