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Democrats Legalize Bush's Crimes
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims that a key positive feature of the new wiretap "compromise" is that the bill reaffirms that the President must follow the law, even though the same bill virtually assures that no one will be held accountable for George W. Bush's violation of the earlier spying law.
In other words, in the guise of rejecting Bush's theories of an all-powerful presidency that is above the law, the Democratic leadership cleared the way for the President and his collaborators to evade punishment for defying the law.
So, why should anyone assume that the new legislative edict demanding that the President obey the law will get any more respect than the old one, which established the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 as the "exclusive" means for authorizing electronic spying?
It wasn't that Bush and his team didn't understand the old law's language; they simply believed they could violate the law without consequence, under the radical theory that at a time of war - even one as vaguely defined as the "war on terror" - the President's powers trump all laws as well as the constitutional rights of citizens.
Essentially, Bush was betting that even if his warrantless wiretap program was disclosed - as it was in December 2005 - that he could trust his Republican congressional allies to protect him and could count on most Democrats not to have the guts to challenge him.
His bet proved to be a smart one. After the New York Times revealed the warrantless wiretaps 2½ years ago, Congress took no steps to hold Bush accountable. Before the 2006 elections, Pelosi declared that Bush's impeachment was "off the table."
Then, on the eve of the August 2007 recess, the Democratic-controlled Congress was stampeded into passing the "Protect America Act," which effectively legalized what Bush had already done and expanded his spying powers even more.
After that law was passed, U.S. news reports mostly parroted the White House claim that it "modernized" FISA and "narrowly" targeted overseas terror suspects who might call or e-mail their contacts in the United States.
However, it soon became clear that the law applied not just to terror suspects abroad who might communicate with Americans, but to anyone who is "reasonably believed to be outside the United States" and who might possess "foreign intelligence information," defined as anything that could be useful to U.S. foreign policy.
That meant that almost any American engaged in international commerce or dealing with foreign issues - say, a businessman in touch with a foreign subsidiary or a U.S. reporter sending an overseas story back to his newspaper - was vulnerable to warrantless intercepts approved on the say-so of two Bush subordinates, the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.
Beyond the breathtaking scope of this new authority, the Bush administration also snuck in a clause that granted forward-looking immunity from lawsuits to communications service providers that assisted the spying.
That removed one of the few safeguards against Bush's warrantless wiretaps: the concern among service providers that they might be sued by customers for handing over constitutionally protected information without a warrant.
In short, the "Protect America Act" made warrantless surveillance legally cost free for a collaborating service provider, tilting the scales even further in favor of the government's spying powers. [For details, see our book, Neck Deep, or Consortiumnews.com's "Bush Gets Spying Blank Check."]
Catching On
A week after the "Protect America Act" was passed, the New York Times and the Washington Post published front-page stories explaining how the Bush administration had ambushed the Democrats.
Pressed up against the start of the August recess and the prospect of Republican taunts that Democrats were "soft on terror," the Democratic leaders abandoned earlier compromise proposals and accepted the more expansive law. Their one point of resistance was putting a February 2008 sunset provision into the law.
Still, the Democratic cave-in in August 2007 provoked an uproar among rank-and-file Democrats. Pelosi's office reported receiving more than 200,000 angry e-mails.
Stung by the reaction, House Democratic leaders balked at White House pressure to make even more concessions, including retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies that had collaborated with Bush's warrantless wiretaps in the years after the 9/11 attacks.
In February 2008, to the surprise of many observers, the Democratic leadership allowed the "Protect America Act" to lapse. Though Republicans attacked the Democrats as expected, the accusations seemed to have little political resonance.
Nevertheless, the Democratic leadership - behind Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-West Virginia, and Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland - continued working on a compromise.
While the new version drops some of the more intrusive features of the "Protect America Act," such as allowing warrantless wiretaps of Americans outside the United States, the bill adds retroactive telecom immunity (only requiring the companies show they got a written order from the President).
The bill also would grant the administration emergency power to wiretap a target for up to one week before getting a warrant from the secret FISA court. But the bill bars the government from targeting a foreigner as a "back-door" way to spy on an American without a court warrant.
'Capitulation'
Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wisconsin, a strong constitutionalist, termed the new bill "not a compromise; it is a capitulation."
One of the bill's illusions would seem to be that the precedent of a President ignoring the FISA law and escaping any accountability can somehow be negated by restating what the original, violated law had declared.
In her June 20 floor statement, Pelosi said in her view this was a crucial feature of the bill, the statement that the President cannot ignore the FISA law again. However, Pelosi's position sounded like the words of an indulgent parent of a spoiled child: "This time I really mean it!"
The more powerful message from the latest Democratic compromise is that a President - at least a Republican one - can break the wiretap law under the cover of national security and expect to ride out the consequences.
Rather than reaffirming the rule of law and the Constitution's checks and balances, as Pelosi claimed, the new FISA "compromise" may have done the opposite, signaling that the President is above the law.
After Pelosi's speech, the House passed the bill by a 293-129 margin with 105 Democrats - including most of the leadership - voting in favor and 128 Democrats against. The bill then went to the Senate, which was expected to approve it.


85 Comments so far
Show AllI do appreciate your reasoning ~AQUIETMAN~. You display a high degree of common sense and honesty.
"Reason, the choicest gift bestowed by heaven."
~Sophocles~
"Well, sure am glad to know who the big boss is around here."
"Some of you know it all bloggers here are just so full of yoursleves and are also full of shit at the same time."
"Your comment "....." is where you screwed YOUR IMO up."
"and to say .... is a childish reaction."
Tsk tsk- all of these personal attacks. One might be led to think that this site is really just all about and for you and your POV. Well, it ain't so, and it is affecting your credibility.
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For the record though; No. I do not believe that Gore = Bush, nor that if the true results of the '00 election had been validated would we necessarily be hamstrung by the multiple conundrums we face today. An unknown factor, however, would have been what the ill-chosen VP's (LIEberman) effect(s) might have been.
My point remains, and I stick by it. There has been no Gore administration and surmising what might or might not have transpired if there had been one is of little value.
Futhermore, regarding the issue of "giving up" after the adverse SCOTUS decision, I do concede that in strictly "legal" terms Mr. Gore had no further alternatives available. I would have been impressed though had he taken his case to the PEOPLE, even if the end result had been the same (s)election of criminal bush. I also believe that such an effort would have had a detrimental effect on the ability of bushco to manipulate the legal system to the extent that they have.
Finally, you are absolutely correct, KEM, with your statement "we certaintly can learn a lot from what did happen and attempt to prevent it from ever happening again, so it is rather imperative that we think about it." as it applies to the THEFT of the election.
OK~ I'm done.
FISA laws were passed by congress as a response to just the sort of behavior the Bush administration are guilty of.
The new "law" has no legs. The Constitution forbids making any law addressing crimes that have all ready occured and it also guarantees us freedom from unreasonable search and siezure.
Changing the Constitution requires ratification by 2/3 of the states.
Ruthru,
I haven't the courage to make a choice myself? Re-read my posts. I've made my decision. Or are you trying to say that your decision is the only one that is courageous?
I have only criticized the IDEA that a 3rd party candidate would make a difference. THEY WON'T. THEY NEVER HAVE. That doesn't mean I disrespect anyone who chooses to vote for a 3rd party candidate. I myself voted for Nader in 1996 as a form of protest for Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage act.
However, had there been a close election that year... had Bob Dole been within 10 points of Clinton the day before the election, I would have voted for Clinton because I know the differences between the Republicans and the Democrats. And I know that Republican philosophy, mixed with the fervor of the religious right is a major threat to this country. It is certainly a major threat to me as a gay man.
And I have the Democratic party to thank that Bush, in the last 8 years, was not able to pass a federal amendment outlawing gay marriage. Every woman who believes in choice has the Democratic party to thank for her reproductive freedom of choice.
We all have the Democratic party to thank that Social Security wasn't privatized, and that we have a family leave law that is pretty good. There are so many things, great and small, that the Democratic party has done for the people of this country. Do they piss me off? Yes, especially Pelosi. Do they make me angry? Yes, they do. BUT, they are different than the other, and they are better. And I will support them in close elections.
You don't think there are differences? There are.... many.. in very personal ways.
Nader and McKinney are legitimate? Really? I would agree they are legitimate in that they are on the ballot of many states. But the population of this country will not support them in any state enough that they will get above 1 or 2% of the vote - combined. That is a fact. So are the really legitimate? I don't believe they are in the sense that matters.
Additionally, even if a 3rd party candidate did win an election, you have to understand that the Republicans and Democrats would have a vested interest in seeing that person fail. They would not work with him/her and they would stymie any agenda that person came to office with. Nothing would get done.
And I find it interesting that you did not include Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate. He is the most exciting 'legitimate' 3rd party candidate to me, because I expect him to draw votes away from McCain...
I do not live in the LA area.
sLiMsHaDy June 24th, 2008 1:46 am
"I do concede that in strictly "legal" terms Mr. Gore had no further alternatives available."
I am not convinced your statement is accurate. I have heard it's unprecedented for the Supreme Court to intervene in an election. By what constitutional authority did these criminals stop the recount in Florida?
Gore rolled over. Another mistake by Gore was asking only that a select number of counties (ones he should have won) be counted instead of the whole state. By asking that only these Democratic counties be recounted the court could argue that the rights of the other Floridians would be violated.
If I recall correctly, ultimately the court ruled that to recount Florida would do Bush irreparable harm (he would lose). This argument was a complete fraud. The Democrats, cowards that they are, rolled over, including Gore.
It's happening in Europe...and now there are 10 miles of truckers in Albany, NY.....PLEASE JOIN .......It has now come down to this...ONLY WE THE PEOPLE CAN CHANGE POLICIES THAT ARE MEANT TO DESTROY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN......
http://www.votestrike.com/
Once again the Party of Judas affirms its ethical and moral bankruptcy.
And worst of all, the Constitutional Law professor posing as the exponent of "Change You Can Believe In" finally emerged from the shadows to endorse the utterly shameful and despicable actions of his corrupt party, and joined the bipartisan orgy in (again) flinging down the Constitution and dancing upon it.
Naturally, those who view Obama as a kind of political spiritual Master or adept will excuse his deplorable stance as painful necessity arising from the difficulty of his position. But even this isn't to say that he's more to be pitied than censured. No, the astute political pragmatists who support him will also parse and spin his response as a shrewd, far-sighted, ultimately wise and honorable means to an end.
Why, it's FATUOUS to have expected Obama to ride up on a white (?) charger and announced his opposition to utterly wicked and abominable anti-Constitutional legislation! How utterly naïve! Anyone with a "mature" understanding of politics knows it doesn't work that way! Obviously, this apparent capitulation to anti-Constitutional authoritarianism is simply the political ninja master's means to an end: victory, upon which the Master will have power, authority, and license to undo this and other depredations sanctioned by both organs of our duopoly!
Excuse me, gotta go-- there's some guy at my door with some drawings of a really nice bridge he's selling!
How much more will we take???.....................
http://www.votestrike.com/
I hope everyone in Congress is voted out of office. They've betrayed their duty to the Constitution. They are an embarrassment.
Sorry I lost the plot. Who are the terrorists?
citizenblog June 21st, 2008 12:28 pm ...THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.!!
"Democrats Legalize Bush's Crimes". Yes, indeed. And voting Democratic legalizes Democratic Party crimes. Run Ralph. Run!
It's time for the exciting adventures of Vampire Manson and his faithful companion Lipstick Onnapig.
~RICH M~ you say Bush and Gore were almost an identical pair, with little difference between the two.
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with that assumption. First of all Gore, didn't have "Halliburton Cheney" as the VP choice. There would not have been an invasion of Iraq and ~Hans Bliss~ and his UN team would have been allowed to finish inspections in Iraq. Just those two issues alone would have insured an entirely different world history.
We would not be on the brink of a depression wit China holding our nuts in a vice and I seriously doubt gasoline would be sellling for anywhere near $4 bucks a gallon and diesel for $5. The price of everything would not have doubled or more.
There would have been a far different scenerio with the Katrina disaster and a hundred other things, such as "NO Gitmo prison", Halliburton having made billions with government contracts, etc. Things would have been FAR different if Gore had been our president. I do agree both parties are in many ways under the thumb of the filthy rich and a wealthy few.
If any honestly believe Bush and Gore are anything alike, they are sadly mistaken, for I do believe Gore would never have treated our Constitution the way Bush and his gang have, among many other important things.
Now if you'd said Obama and Bush are very much alike, I'd tend to agree with you.
Its easy, when you walk into the voting booth looking for an alternative to the Republicans, DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!
An even better rule is never to vote for the candidates you see often on TV.
That's because in today's system if you see them often on TV they've got corporate money paying for the ads, or corporate media pushing them and ignoring other candidates.
Its the candidates that are ignored, ridiculed and scorned by the corporate media that you want to vote for. They are the ones on your side.
But, if we keep doing what we've been doing as voters, then we are going to keep getting the same. The Democrats obviously think we are idiots and that we'll just keep on electing them no matter how badly they screw us time after time after time after ....
PS ... so far, the Democrats are correct ... we have been idiots for at least the last decade.
Perfect example of the obfuscation of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al and the joint Republican/Democrat machine destroying our democracy. So what will all the rhetorical progressives do about it?
NOTHING!
Followed by running off to the voting booth and casting a vote on behalf of the people responsibile including Obama.
You get the government you deserve.
There is one thing about being a bottom feeder . . . the bottom keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper, until, at last, you can never find your way back to the surface. That's already happened to the Doomocrats.
The title of the piece is wrong. It should read
"The Complicit Party Legalize Bush's Crimes".
Hey American Sheeple: still loving Obama and the COmplicit Party?
Come Sept, for me it will be anyone but from the two parties. Think about it.
Since DD seems slow to provide us with his usually wisdom today, I went looking for some pro-Dem and pro-Obama apologia from other sounces. I'm astounded to find that even the obligatory Daily Kos article on the subject condemns this "logic-insulting bunk" in no uncertain terms. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope to be found yet.
Prefatory note: I prefer italics to all-caps, but I distrust the tricksy webmasters, who may whimsically and capriciously flip a switch and disappear comments using HTML tags. I long for a more perfect CD comments union, perhaps in vain.
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My thought is that the usual Democratic apologists are all on some other obscure thread here, perhaps on a pre-assigned location deep in the bowels of the Archives. Or perhaps they've found or created a new venue entirely: Common-SENSE Dreams, perhaps.
There, they sip tea and commiserate about how as soon as they SAW this thread, they KNEW BETTER than to BOTHER THEMSELVES trying to get a SENSIBLE WORD in EDGEWISE with all of the usual HATERS and NAY-SAYERS turning up like pirhana to a bleeding carcass, snapping away with their EMPTY SARCASM and unredeemed NEGATIVITY, and offering one PREPOSTEROUS theory, analysis, or response after another-- without the sense God gave a clam regarding what politics really IS, and how it WORKS! Why, they are simply TROLLS or jabbering NAVEL-GAZERS, and are simply not to be taken SERIOUSLY!
And they congratulate each other on their MATURITY, their PRACTICALITY, their acceptance of FLEXIBILITY and COMPROMISE, and deplore the trolls and nihilists and cloud-cuckoo idealists.
Perhaps someday I shall be among their company.
No big surprise.
You do have a choice. Don't throw your vote away by voting democrat (or republican). Vote third party, write in Donald Duck.
Not that you can trust the elections, but if the winnig vote only gets 12%, it would at least send a message to the rest of the world.
Vote third party, vote Ralph Nader. Make your vote count for change.
If at first we don't secede I would be amazed. Our countey can't recover from this nakba.
Methinks I doth protest too much, eh? ;)
WHAT A DISGRACE THIS CONGRESS IS. November cannot get here fast enough.
Ask your doctor if Obamacain is right for you. Side effects may include a false sense of security, manic, and loss of vision, followed by despair and impotence.
Tailcap,
You just don't get it.... Yes, the ruling was unprecedented. So what? It was still the last word. They did not rule based on any constitutional authority, that is where we all have a bitch with it, but it did rule, and in this country - because we're a constitutional republic, the Supreme court has the last say on a matter.
A ruling can be undone by constitutional amendment only.
Gore did not roll over... that statement is just idiotic.
GEORGE W BUSH: Thanks for the humor. It's therapeutic as reality continues to crash against the shores of more hopeful reasoning.
See? There's no reason for an election. The Democrats are already in Bush's back pocket, and they don't yet have a candidate seriously interested in change.
Of course they legalize Bush's crimes; they want them made into law so they can abuse the constitution themselves. What a great "in" for them. Let the Republicans take the heat (as they should, though it should be a hell of a lot hotter), they get some flack on posts like CD and DN! but they get the booty to boot! (i.e., domestic spying laws, etc.). This friggin country...I've tried to stay positive and full of Obama hope, knowing better, but having little else to turn to. What the hell is going on?
Gee...Where are those dems who blog here on behalf of Obama? Where are our wise and persistent critics of progressives for Nader? It's so strangely quiet. Do you think they may be trying to pull their feet out of their useless gobs? Perhaps the TV hasn't given them their language to parrot yet. They're all probably still glued to their telescreens anxious to hear from Big Brother.
Where are our doublethinking dems?
Doublethink - The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[
Be happy that our double talking posters, who support Obama by attacking Nader while insisting they want to end the war, are at the weekly Republican Meet and Greet Barbeque. That is where they must get their koolaid.
I'm not saying that people don't have a right to their opinion, but they don't have a right to alter reality so that it fits in with their preconcieved notions of how government 'words.'
Can someone tell me of one important bill that was passed in the last 2 years (when the democrats controlled the house) that kept them so busy that they had to take impeachment off the table?
Be Happy, Vote Nader. Don't throw your vote away by voting democrat.
PS - I may vote green party to give them the 5% vote so they qualify for federal election funding. And they are similar to Nader on many positions. But I will make that decision closer to the election (selection?).
There is another side to all of this and WHATFOOLS partially has touched on it. Apparently, since our three branches of government have failed us, states are taking more proactive and protectionist measures to help their inhabitants. If everything continues to worsen, and likely will, then we might see states begin to look at all options, one of which is secession. Anti-federalism might be making its return.
Ralph Nader has run for president about five times. During that time not only did he not get elected, but 50% or more voters did not vote. Let no one say they didn't vote because the two parties are the same. They can claim ignorance perhaps. Or ,probably, they don't care or didn't have time. The problem is not the system, it is the people. George knows both the system and the people. That is why he does so well and has a good night's sleep.
Bush is keeping the NSA mainline wiretaps in place so they can have advantage in the financial markets thanks to ubiquitous insider information.
And it's always nice to be able to listen in to the strategy sessions of the opposing party. Nixon only wiretapped one office in the Watergate.
It's hard to believe, but the Democrats just legalized Bush eavesdropping on everyone (only for a week each time).
Anyone complaining abt the Democratic leaders not contributed to Cindy Sheehan's campaign yet?
I am so deeply troubled by the House's passage of the immunity for telecoms bill yesterday. I admire that Rep. Dennis Kucinich spoke passionately against it; and I regret that the Democratically-controlled House passed it anyway. I see this as a means for Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders to immunize themselves against the culpability they share with the Bush administration regarding these violations of Americans' civil rights. It is part and parcel with Democratic Party leadership complicity with the Bush policy of torture at Gitmo (and other black sites). Select Democratic leaders and committee members were briefed on these practices. They knew about the torture, and probably about the blatant violations of Americans' right to privacy, before these facts became public knowledge. The Democratic Party members of key committees, who were briefed on these actions, stood by and allowed this president to violate everything they swore an oath to protect: the Constitution of the United States, and the laws of this land -- not to mention the most basic of ethical standards. It is little wonder that impeachment was declared "off the table." Those Democratic congressional members who were "in the know" can ill afford for the facts to come out.
There were quite a few of my favorites that were so angry and voiced it on the Floor, since John Conyers yielded most of his time to them, he voted Nay also. Dennis, Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsey, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson-Lee said, "Voting for this bill is like puttin' lipstick on a pig!", Marcy Kaptur, Chaka Fattah, Robert Wexler.
I am not excusing the entire Democratic Party but there are a few that will fight for us. I think someone asked about the Senate vote, it is on their Legislative calender, #816, or 819, so no date yet.
I am going to Cindys site and donate, now.
Don't ask me what the truth of the following article is, however Ron Paul, R-Texas, says Pelosi has worked to ensure that war can be launched against Iran without any need for congressional approval. This apparently is in a new bill, and he says that she did this for AIPAC and Israel, which is an explanation that I find questionable; believing that, yes, AIPAC and Israel surely want this, but not that they control the imperialist, ... U.S. govt, which, instead, very much controls what Israel is permitted to do, and not.
I've read of some actually concrete proof that it's the U.S. imperialists that control Israeli leadership, and the historical, although recent, proof or actions are very convincing; although I already believed that Israel and AIPAC really are not the ones controlling the U.S. govt, including with respect to U.S. policies in the Middle East, without any need for this additional proof I recently read about. If I could recall which article this was or is, then I'd provide a link; but I don't remember which and am not about to start checking all articles I've bookmarked.
So, and obviously, what's important to me in the following article solely is that Pelosi ensured that the U.S. presidency could launch war on Iran without needing approval of Congress. And she did this not by adding a clause or section, but by having the relevant one stricken out of the bill.
"Dangerous Crossroads: Congressional approval before attacking Iran is no longer required
Global Research, June 19, 2008
Newsmax"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9393
She clearly NEVER gives up being [traitor] and war criminal, does she! She couldn't make it clearer; she's totally obvious, and obviously and totally without shame, which she should be and to the point of LEAVING the country ... FOREVER, to never step foot back in the country ever again. Well, that, or lifetime imprisonment, after a "juicy" trial that wouldn't need long at all to complete or conduct.
Her criminality is so obvious that there's really no need for a jury trial; but appreciative spectators should be allowed to attend, albeit the trial should also be televised worldwide. Some of us are too poor to be able to travel to attend such trials, so TV broadcast would be welcome. Besides, you can't fit many people in a court room, although the one for her could be a large park clear of trees (to make sure no snipers hide in the trees to try to "take out" the judge and the prosecution team, say).
Anyway, there's another article of interest posted at GR today and it's about Dennis Kucinich fuming over the impeachment against Bush having been sent to the Judiciary Committee for deep burial; threatening that if the JC "sleeps" on this, with the 35 charges or articles he listed, then he'll present more, totaling 60.
"Kucinich threatens 60 impeachment articles if Judiciary doesn't act
by Nick Juliano
Global Research, June 19, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9392
I know impeachment is certainly deserved, but have one concern about this being against Bush, and Kucinich stated the reason when he presented the bill for impeaching Cheney ... FIRST; having said, like many of us have said for years now, that it's because Cheney [is] the more real president, the more dangerous of the two, and if Bush is impeached, while Cheney's not, then he automatically becomes President.
The thought of that happening makes me ... NAUSEAS. If Bush is impeached, then Cheney must be immediately next, and the two then need to be immediately indicted; and, yet, not only them, for there are many other members of the Bush-Cheney cabal administration team who should be also indicted. They are all war criminals, except for the members who broke away and exposed the criminality of the "administration"; people who instead should serve as honourable witnesses with first-hand knowledge of the facts presented.
It's idealism, but an ideal to aim for achieving, I believe. And whether or not impeachment is absolutely necessary is something I don't know, for I imagine that they could be immediately indicted and tried or sent to trials, instead; maybe (?). I don't know if that's legally possible, but I do like to see unnecessary "red tape" eliminated or dispensed with, to get to the needed point ASAP.
Perhaps the bureaucracy requires impeachment first, though, for Bush and Cheney anyway; but I don't see why this should be a necessary step, as opposed to it being a bureaucratic and political hurdle or obstruction, and of a ruse sort; for this is a case of obviously extreme crimes and the main, front-scene anyway, perpetrators are [known].
This new effort by Kucinich surely can't hurt, but I'm not always appreciative of bureaucracy; it's perhaps or probably seldom that I am. With all of the unending obstructions, maybe he doesn't have a choice as a congressman, a reality that doesn't apply for or to most of us and which we need to keep in mind for people like him; if being a member of congress does place such restraints on him.
I'd sure like to see what the additional 25 articles of impeachment are. I believe he's accurate with the 35 already stated, so the other 25 should be interesting. These hopefully will be published.
" willybill June 21st, 2008 11:49 am
It's happening in Europe…and now there are 10 miles of truckers in Albany, NY"
What's with the truckers in Albany; is it a strike over the rising prices for fuel? Or are truckers being required to use tech. that permits the ruling elites to track every movement of the trucks?
With respect to Europe and wiretapping, ..., the following are two articles on some of this; but only with respect to Sweden. Only, yet also alarming for Swedes; very clearly so. There seems to be good political opposition to this 'hidden hand' ruling elites crap there, and the first article speaks of the 'Pirate Party' opposing.
"Spying on Swedish Citizens: Orwellian Legislation Challenged
Global Research, June 19, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9391
"Big Brother Sweden: Critics force snoop law postponement
Global Research, June 18, 2008"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9372
Pirate Party? Interesting name that is.
george w. bush June 21st, 2008 5:00 pm
Ask your doctor if Obamacain is right for you. Side effects may include a false sense of security, mania, and loss of vision, followed by despair and impotence.
--I think you may have left out rectal bleeding?
You know, Apathy is a great alternative treatment. No mood swings with Apathy... everything stays nice and still, you're still struck blind; you just don't care.
Mike Corbeil June 21st, 2008 11:17 pm
--In regards to the exemption those who have come out against the administration; I think the word "honorable" is a little much. I tend to think late is better than never, but how long were they directly involved before sensing the end was near? Like rats jumping ship.
Last night, in a fit of anger and frustration, I dug up the names and contact information on the 105 "Democratic" traitors who voted to approve the latest version of the "Compromise FISA bill" -- which destroys our Fourth Amendment. I put the list on a website and will now go about "promoting" it. Ideally, with your help, we could bring this site to the attention of enough people to develop a viral network that could then gain enough critical mass among voters to remove these traitors.
Here is the site:
http://www.cloudbyte.com/traitors.html
Most people vote democrat so the republicans don't win. I think this article
gives us just one more example of why that is not true.
Repubacrats working against the American people so the terrorist don't have to.
Don't we need to hear from Daniel David about how this proves we need to insure that Obama and tons more Democrats simply MUST be elected? How only the Democrats can save us from . . . the Republicans and Democrats? Let's get some more of that overarching wisdom from DD. The more Pelosi capitulates to every last shred of policy the Bushwhackers demand, the more we need Nancy P. and her loyal robots, like my own Democratic congressman, to keep on pacifying the far right. Otherwise, the far right might WIN! We can only defeat them by doing exactly what they say. Who has the keys to this raving madhouse?
It is maddening, and I wish Obama had opposed this nutiness. Nevertheless, on a myriad of other issues, he remains the better choice between the only two that will matter in November. Judicial nominations being just one vital area we need him instead of a right winger.
Unfortunately there aren't many Jimmy Stewarts going to Washington who will stand on their own. Kucinich is an exception. Feingold too. Not many more.
The 'party' will follow their leaders, and that means Pelosi. My god, she has no balls.
I totally hope Cindy Sheehan can shock this country by unseating her. The Dems need a shrewd leader to take a stance against the right wings assault on our constitution, and the spineless dems will then fall in line.
She was obviously the wrong choice for the job of House Speaker. No need to impeach her, just vote her out..
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/cong-j21.shtml
The Times quoted Senator Christopher Bond, of Missouri who negotiated for the Senate Republicans: "I think the White House got a better deal than even they had hoped to get."
The blanket protection granted to AT&T, Verizon and other telecommunications companies that helped the Bush administration carry out its warrantless domestic spying operation is a key part of this victory, but also represents a bipartisan policy.
Key word: BIPARTISAN POLICY
Go Democrats! Go Obama!
Aquietman,
Thinking that only two candidates matter is the reason why laws like this get passed. The repub-acrats think that they are bulletproff and as long as
we continue to support thier collective crimes buy voting for them they are right.
If you have the ability to think out side the box regarding Cindy Sheehan, which you should, why not Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney?
I just tried to post a comment supporting willybill and the link:
http://www.votestrike.com/
So far my comment has not been posted. In any case, political action on 9/11/08--spead the word.