What Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and Fred Hiatt Mean by 'Bipartisanship'
It's bad enough watching the likes of Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emanuel and a disturbingly disoriented Nancy Pelosi eviscerate the Fourth Amendment, exempt their largest corporate contributors from the rule of law, and endorse the most radical aspects of the Bush lawbreaking regime. But it's downright pathetic to see try to depict their behavior as some sort of bipartisan "compromise" whereby they won meaningful concessions:
"When they saw that we were unified in sending that bill rather than falling for their scare tactics, I think it sent them a message," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "So our leverage was increased because of our Democratic unity in both cases."
Not even the media establishment and the GOP can refrain from mocking this pretense they're trying to peddle. What's amazing is that they're actually as devoid of dignity as they are integrity. As I noted yesterday, the GOP couldn't even wait for the ink to dry on this "compromise" before publicly -- and accurately -- boasting that they not only got everything they want, but got even more than they dreamed they would get. To The New York Times' Eric Lichtblau, GOP House Whip Roy Blunt derided the telecom amnesty provision as nothing more than a "formality" which would inevitably lead to the immediate and automatic dismissal of all lawsuits against the telecoms, while Sen. Kit Bond taunted the Democrats for giving away even more than they had to in order to get a deal: "I think the White House got a better deal than they even had hoped to get."
Lichtblau himself noted that "the White House immediately endorsed the proposal" and wrote that the bill "represents a major victory for the White House after months of dispute." Reporters Dan Eggen and Paul Kane were even more blunt and derisive in The Washington Post, noting that the Democrats "hand[ed] President Bush one of the last major legislative victories he is likely to achieve"; that "the deal appears to give Bush and his aides, including Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey and Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, much of what they sought in a new surveillance law"; and that "the negotiations underscored the political calculation made by many Democrats who were fearful that Republicans would cast them as soft on terrorism during an election year."
Surrendering and fearful: that's the face of the Democratic Party. It's how they show they're not weak. The most succinct summary of what the Democrats just "negotiated" came from Russ Feingold: "The proposed FISA deal is not a compromise; it is a capitulation." Numerous other Democratic office-holders and Congressional candidates scornfully characterized this bill for what it is, including Andrea Miller, a Democratic nominee for Congress in Virginia, who said: "We have a Democratic majority in the House and yet they seem to be as confused by the meaning of the Constitution as the Republicans." (And as the vocally pro-Obama Nation notes, the Democratic presidential candidate -- who had been so outspoken against telecom amnesty and warrantless eavesdropping in the past -- is still deafeningly silent today, even as the House prepares to vote today).
Needless to say, Beltway denizens such as The Washington Post's Fred Hiatt are patting the Democrats on the head:
CONGRESSIONAL leaders of both parties should be commended for drafting legislation that brings the country's surveillance laws into the 21st century . . . It also provides some welcome evidence that congressional leaders remain capable of achieving delicate compromise in the national interest.
But this absurd praise underscores what the Washington power structure means when they speak of "bipartisanship" -- it means having the Republican Party demand something, and then having enough Democrats agree to it to ensure it passes in essentially undiluted form. In January, I compiled a list of the Great Bipartisan Compromises of the Bush era and demonstrated that they are characterized by one common attribute: namely, they are supported by almost all Republicans and then enough Democrats from a split caucus to ensure its passage. As I wrote:
But more importantly, "bipartisanship" is already rampant in Washington, not rare. And, in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case. . . . On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means.
That's exactly what is going to happen with this latest FISA "compromise." Republicans will be virtually unanimous in their support of it, while the Democratic caucus will split and enough of them will join with their Republican colleagues to make sure it passes. "Bipartisan compromise" means that Democrats comply with GOP demands. While huge numbers of civil liberties advocates, Democrats and prominent libertarians are furious and disgusted by this bill, is there even a single hard-core, right-wing Bush supporter remotely unhappy with it? No. Because it gives them everything that that faction ever wanted -- actually, as Kit Bond said, more than they ever dreamed of getting. But in Washington World, that is a grand "bipartisan compromise," by definition: when the President's demands are complied with.
In the course of criticizing the "compromise" bill, Andrew Sullivan wrote yesterday that he's "not as livid as" I am because "at least the White House appears to have conceded that the Congress has the final say on what is and what is not legal in eavesdropping." But that's actually not true, and that really underscores the key point here.
This whole controversy began because George Bush, in December of 2005, got caught breaking our spying laws for years. He did so because he embraced a radical and un-American theory that asserted he has the power to break all of our laws provided such lawbreaking is, in his view, related to "defense of the nation." That lawbreaking theory is at the heart of virtually every major controversy of the last seven years, and it remains entirely in tact and preserved:
At the meeting [with the DOJ], Bruce Fein, a Justice Department lawyer in the Reagan administration, along with other critics of the legislation, pressed Justice Department officials repeatedly for an assurance that the administration considered itself bound by the restrictions imposed by Congress. The Justice Department, led by Ken Wainstein, the assistant attorney general for national security, refused to do so, according to three participants in the meeting. That stance angered Mr. Fein and others. It sent the message, Mr. Fein said in an interview, that the new legislation, though it is already broadly worded, "is just advisory. The president can still do whatever he wants to do. They have not changed their position that the president's Article II powers trump any ability by Congress to regulate the collection of foreign intelligence.
This scandal began by revelations that the President broke the law -- committed felonies -- when spying on our calls and emails without warrants, because he believes he has the power to break the law. The scandal all but concluded yesterday, with the Democratic Congress (a) protecting the President, (b) permanently blocking the lawsuits which would have revealed what he did and would have ruled that he broke the law, and (c) legalizing the very illegal spying regime that he secretly ordered in 2001. Only in the twisted world of Washington can that be described as a "compromise." * * * * *
Our first ad, featuring Steny Hoyer, is almost finished and will run as a full-page ad in The Washington Post and in numerous newspapers in his district, aimed at his core Democratic base. We are excited that Color of Change -- the online, grass-roots African-American organization devoted to demanding more responsiveness from Washington officials -- has now joined our coalition and is directly working with us on this ad campaign against Hoyer. And we hope to expand our work with them to include the other campaigns we are doing, including -- just for now -- the ones against Rep. Chris Carney and Rep. John Barrow.
The total amount we have for this campaign is now almost $250,000. The response has been overwhelming. I know that many of you have donated as much or even more than you could, but the more we raise, the more of an impact we can make against the individuals responsible for this travesty. Making them know there is a real price to pay when they do this -- not by getting deluged with angry phone calls or merely having primary challenges, but doing everything possible to expose their real character, remove them office and put a permanent end to their political careers -- is the only real way to deter its repetition. Contributions can be made here.
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Show AllFake democracy---Keynes was an economist from Europe, having done most of his theorizing in the early part of the 20th century. Later finding its way into the Roosevelt administration in the 30's which was essential to bringing the US out of the depression. He spoke against the treaty of Versailles prior to WW2 which most intellectuals now believe that this treaty brought about the rise of Hitler.
Fakedemocracy---
drift June 22nd, 2008 10:58 am
Everyone take notice that the Dem Party weasel Daniel David is avoiding this string.
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drift, check out my comment (Little Brother June 21st, 2008 4:13 pm) on yesterday's article: Democrats Legalize Bush's Crimes by Robert Parry.
Micheal Parenti has got it right.
Democrats, heinous betrayers.
At least with neocons they tell you what they're going to do and then do it. If you don't approve, even if a majority don't approve, they look you in the eye and say, "So!"
The scum from Hope, AK., invite you to a bar-b-que and when you arrive and ask what's cooking, the answer is you.
This photo says it all. Pelosi is a fawning, sycophant piece of shit.
Everyone take notice that the Dem Party weasel Daniel David is avoiding this string.
Whores!
Hey, fakedemocracy. I'm all for social democracy, but even that is not immune. Government is bunk. Any government will corrupt, the larger, the more corrupt.
But in the meantime, I'd like to see communities governing themselves. Unfortunately, that would take some huge time commitments, a full participatory effort by the people that live in that given community. And who has time for that? I mean, people have to stop by Costco, pass through the tanning booth, browse the shops, drink/drug themselves to oblivion, etc.
All of this means that you no longer have a Republic in the USA and you are already a Fascist state. There is simpley no point is discussing the Democrat party as a separate party as if you have not paid any attention to anything that has happened for the last 8 years.
Civil disobediance is your only hope however I believe its is probably already too late.
Bye bye the US republic - R.I.P.
Grappa said, "Hey fakedemocracy, I'm not sure what your trying to convey, but I don't encourage anything but change in our current economic system. I 'm convinced that Communism doesn't work, you simply turn the economy over to the bureaucrats. I would favor something more in the line of a Keynesian approach,which was thrown out in the 80,s for a Friedman market, trickle down bullshit.
Maybe if smaller salaries were paid to politicians we might get a different class of people running."
I'm not totally sure what I'm trying to convey either... but I'm with you. Capitalism is bunk, communism concentrates power (like capitalism) and is also bunk, smaller salaries for politicians is a great idea. I think I am in favor a social democracy. Trying to learn more about some western european systems like those of the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, etc. Countries like those have a free university system for all and they kick the americans asses on every aptitude test out there... and I believe their collective standards of living also kick america's ass.
ALOHA !!
What we have here is not a democracy. Not a republic ... Just a plain old "two party aristocracy"! All we have done for the past 50 years is vote for which party will be KING! Which party will rule over us? Right now it is KING GEORGE(Bush)! Who will be the next KING? Or QUEEN?
Essentially the power base for this aristocracy is the banking elites and their corrupt fiat monetary regime. Without unlimited dollars being spent and printed there could not be "unlimited War" and unlimited fraud. This is nothing more than a scam to redistribute the World's hard assets(real wealth) from the Middle Class to the banks using "false wealth" that is in your wallet. A US Federal Reserve Note(FRN), which is in its most pure state an IOU(debt).
There are two illegal entities that operate within the USA. One is the the US Federal Reserve Bank and the other is the IRS. The US Treasury has been occupied by the banker elites in the form of an ex-Goldman Sachs CEO, so there is now no separation between STATE and BANKS! Banks own the USSA!!! Not just the USSA but the USSEU and the USSUK and the rest of the SOCIALIST WEST!
GOVERNMENT without taxation is powerless and destitute. The US Taxpayers have made the USA what it is today. Right now it is debatable just what America is in terms of GREATNESS. Without taxes to fund our global military adventures there would be no Iraq occupation or no WAR ON TERROR. Government is "welfare" in its purest state, since no politician on Capital Hill produces any wealth. All they do is take wealth from the PEOPLE and redistribute that wealth into the hands of some of the more unproductive and irresponsible people and entities that exist on Planet Earth.
Voting for puppets will not change that fact. Voting for GREENS will not change that. There has to be a grassroots revolution now of the same type that our Founding Fathers took up against England and the KING. In due time the "good times" will have ended due to inflationary monetary conditions from which there will emerge a "savior" not sent by God , but by the current ruling class of the USSA, in order to save us from our own corrupt system, which is actually nothing more than a symptom of our corrupt monetary system. Problem is the "savior" will not do much saving but will steer us all into a ONE WORLD DYNASTY ... not of and for WE THE PEOPLE but of and for the banking elite that control and own the World's money.
Eliminate the US Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS and retake our monetary system for WE THE PEOPLE ... We need to return to a Republic that trades in sound money backed by gold/silver ... anything other than "hollow political promises"!
The true revolution must first start with our MONEY! Anything else will ne just a band aid!
Government is not the answer to a crisis in democracy. Shift the conversation and focus to us. To do otherwise is simply a messianic form of problem solving -- which goes nowhere other than lining the pockets of politician and religious preachers. They always promise the "there" by diverting our attention from the "here."
The Demoks are the Repuk's alter-ego, and together in marriage they are "complete". And that's a good thing. Because the Progressive movement is going to be significant enough that the classic parties will need to consolidate, then the political spectrum in the US will be re-defined - elites on the right, and the people on the left. Crystal clear. You're either with the elites or you're with the people. It's too bad chimp co-opted the phrase "you're either with..." but that's what chimps do - co-opt phrases. Liberals who argue that "it's not so black or white" now face the crossroads whether they like it or not. Which side of the class war are YOU on?
It's quite clear what they mean by "bipartisanship"... bending over and accepting sodomization by Bush & Company.
Only they are not only allowing themselves to be used, they have volunteered the rest of us for the sacrifice over and over again now!
It's time for REAL Americans to rid ourselves of the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Leiberman et al.
As long as we are quoting Gandhi, here's one we don't often refer to: "It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence."
Hey bloggers...there's hope. Surely this bill can be challenged in the courts. Can immunity be granted for a constitutional violation? I'm sure there are legal minds reviewing the possibility. Perhaps, this will be the launch of the revolution...and the beginning of the end for Obama if he does not take a substantial stand, i.e. fillibuster. He'd better do more than "try".
Great photo of George and Nancy in post-coital glow. Notice the small trickle of his semen dripping out of the right side of her mouth.
In my opinion, what took place, in the House, was not "bipartisanship", but a co-conspiracy to ignore the constitution, and the rule of law. Are we moving closer to fascism?
Obama, the joker. Change we can believe in?
Right, he supports the 60 year failed policy in Palestine, the failed 50 year embargo against Cuba, and what's worst he sucks up to AIPAC and the Terrorists excubans in Florida.
Want change? DON'T keep sending the same scum-bags back to Washington or voting for Democrats or Republicans. They are one of the same Pimps and whores for the money, and Nancy Pelosi is the WHORE MASTER.
Vote change, fire Pelosi, Cindy Sheehan for Congress
cindyforcongress.org
The smile on Nancy's face as she pats the regal murderer on the shoulder lays the problem out as clear as you could wish. Christ, what an obscenity. We don't even have the party that could take these war-pigs on. I'm afraid Obama's first months are going to be one hell of a letdown. And just as I was getting ready to sign over my tax rebate. Guess I'll be getting that widescreen after all.
Fear as projection.
An Open Letter to AT&T Concerning Alleged Wiretapping
Dear AT&T:
I'm sorry I wrote that angry letter to you, saying such mean things.
I'm sure you have my comments on file, and I thank you for that. Having accurate records keeps this country safe from evil-doers who would break our laws.
In my letter, as you know, I wrote that you knowingly violated our Constitutional rights by tapping the public switched telephone network and the Internet on behalf of the criminal Bush administration. With the recent vote in Congress, I now see how terribly wrong I was. Mea culpa.
I understand the reason for my failing, and I hope you do too. In sum, I have been "insufficiently hopeful." Obama voted for you. He embraced the Constitutional violations like it all didn't matter. Now, I too must change my mind, because ... I BELIEVE IN CHANGE!
The new microwaves in town are helping very much in that regard. Thanks so much for beaming them in my direction.
I hope this little incident has not spoiled our mutual love. You're No. 1, AT&T. The only one. And it's not just because you have a monopoly on the local exchange carrier market.
I really, truly, actually love you, AT&T!
Sincerely,
Your loyal subscriber
PS: Do I get to keep the discounted rate?
Hey fakedemocracy, I'm not sure what your trying to convey, but I don't encourage anything but change in our current economic system. I 'm convinced that Communism doesn't work, you simply turn the economy over to the bureaucrats. I would favor something more in the line of a Keynesian approach,which was thrown out in the 80,s for a Friedman market, trickle down bullshit.
Maybe if smaller salaries were paid to politicians we might get a different class of people running.
I personally think that Pelosi is hot for Bush. Every picture I see of them together, she's looking at him with adoring eyes. Laura better watch out for that one. heh
Are you people disgusted enough at your corrupt 2 party system that you're ready to do something about it yet? How much worse does it have to get before the people take to the streets and toss the government out? It seems to be the common perception that the US government is all powerful and nothing can be done, but that's not true. They still govern by the consent of the people. Even if it doesn't seem like it.
Nancy Pelosi and the Keystone Cop Democrats are at again chasing their own tails and saying "Hey look at us, duh." Pelosi and other big wig Keystone Cop Crats, how do you like all the prestige of being the majority party in congress? It's a key question, because just keep up "this great job," and you can go back to being in the minority after the 2008 election. Pelosi, how do you like being called minority leader again? As Harry Truman put it so well in his time, this country "doesn't need two Republican parties."
Insightful article; I intend to add Greenwald's name to the list of true progressives: Hedges, Moyers, Nader, and Kucinich. Well done.
Happy to shake hands with Bush , the war criminal, eh? Did the "impeachment is off the table" lady get a makeover? I can only say, everything that Bush has done would not be possible without the complicity of the Dem's. Obama is no exception.
Come next Sept. anybody but the two parties.
Bi partisan as in both Parties say bye to the constitution and bye to congressional oversight and take a bye on ending the Iraqi Occupation. As the elite currently waive good bye to the middle and lower class as the gap widens ever more between the "have more and getting more" and the "hold on while we get less" masses. Go Cindy Sheehan and great work by Dennis "a true democrat and citizen" Kucinich. Okay, Barack, you're my last gasp to make real progress or else I'm spending time and money on Green/Indy voters.
The meta-issue in this whole discussion, asked by a few who apparently re non-USAns, is: "Why does the US citizenry put up with this wholesale trampling of their rights?"
The answer is simply, they don't care, because they never exercise those rights! The modern US lifestyle under neoliberal capitalism (and frankly, most of the rest of the western world) revolves around working (for increasingly poorer wages and working conditions) paying for necessities, shopping, and perhaps pursuing a pastime (which almost uncannily always seem to involve an noisy, smelly internal-combustion engine, but I digress).
USAns have become practically automatons (robots) of work and consumption. Such a way of life doesn't need any or these quaint relicts of the age of enlightenment anymore.
USAns only care about these rights:
1. To work, or not work and starve.
2. To creatively cheat a worker of the productivity of his labor - called "business".
3. And finally, then they are free to shop, but not steal - even if needed to keep from starving.
It is these things, and these things only - especially right #2 that USAns are VERY militant about government not meddling in.
But the most important thing to keep in mind is that we are in the final stages of moving into a post-enlightenment, post democracy era - an era where material production is replacing the breadth and richness of human kinship and polity. Keep this in mind and virtually every modern day event and trend falls in place.
Even Islamic militancy is largely a dysfunctional dying gasp revolt against this era of capitalist modernity that is replacing the human culture of hospitality that is so embedded in culture of the middle eastern and central/south Asian people. Just read the text of the Bin Laden statements.
Bipartisanship = Duopoly. Run Ralph. Run!
Vote strategically. For Greens only where Dems (yecch) are sure to win. Quite frankly, I can't take four more years of Repug rule.
If Obama really has a burning interest in "change" and the Constitution and the American People, then he would have recognized this moment as an historic political opportunity that comes along perhaps less than once in a generation.
As the freshly minted presumptive nominee of one of only two major political parties in the country, he could have demonstrated his leadership capability by publicly and firmly identifying this bill for what it is and calling on both Democrats and Republicans to stand up in defense of The People.
Instead, his calls for unifying all Americans looks like the fascist version of unifying everybody under complete corporate control.
One last chance as this heads to the Senate ... what's your choice, buddy?
In the discussion of the telecom immunity there has been no mention that not all telecoms went along with the Bush agenda, and some did refuse to allow access on the basis that it was illegal and against our individual rights. That fact alone gives no credence to the exaggerated claims such as 'we were just following orders'. The concept of the 'war on terror' as justification for the many illegal acts is a hollow excuse to continue a regime of criminality. It is so transparent, and yet most seem unwillng to look any further than the tip of our noses.
Michael Meo
Very nicely put, thanks, the Greens got my vote!
It is the Politics of Fear, and we are in the midst of another episode.
We were forced to support brutal dictators in Central America who shot and tortured their own citizens because they called for unions and free elections, or simply an end to assassinations and torture. Ronald Reagan assured us that we had to do this, we had to arm and train vicious thugs in a Contra army and send them to rape and burn in Nicaragua because "they" would cross the Rio Grande into Texas if we didn't.
Ronald Reagan was a Republican.
We had to suffer mass arrests, in secret, following the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001, and the declaration of a "War on Terror" because "they" were going to come here and kill us, all of us, on account of our freedoms. (Of course, if that were the case, if the attacks were intended as a wya to have us surrender our freedoms, then the terrorists have obviously already won.)
George W. Bush is a Republican. We like to think Democrats are better.
But when Bill Clinton was running for President, and a mentally retarded murderer was scheduled to be executed, he sat by and allowed the execution. The murderers among us must be executed, goes the argument, or else they'll come and get us. That's why the United States has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and more prisoners per capita of our population, too. Our leaders batten on our fear -- they promote it and foster it.
Now Barack Obama has agreed, while he is presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party in the midst of a presidential race, to an amnesty for telecommunications companies that agreed to illegal surveillance of American citizens. "Given the grave threats that we face," Obama said today (20 June 2008), "our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists. . . " The intelligence we had before September 11th was fine; the response of the Bush Administration was incompetent. Investigation after investigation has shown that. And the issue of needing more powers to listen to terrorists is irrelevant: the nub is, do we prosecute federal officials and corporate officials who break the law and the Constitution?
Democratic Presidential candidate Bill Clinton was well aware that most Democrats opposed to capital punishment. Democrat Barack Obama knows that most Americans, not to mention most Democrats, are opposed to telecoms immunity
Their answer is, they approve of you being kept in fear. Vote for them, for you are in danger and they will keep you safe.
You see, the Democrats are part of the problem. They are wedded to the same Politics of Fear that got us into dirty wars in Central America, into the business of torture and murder of our prisoners. I appeal to the voters of Oregon to repudiate the Democratic Party and all its cowardly capitulations to the politics of fear. Vote for the Pacific Green Party, and stand up for peace, not only in Iraq but everywhere corporate interests, be they Republican or Democratic, promote war.
Michael Meo
candidate for U.S. Congress of the Pacific Green Party
http://cpusa.org
It's morning in America. Time for all the Democratic Party supporters to undergo the unpleasant task of yanking your heads out that soft, puffy, mound of sand its been in and wake up to the fact the Democratic and Republican Parties have merged in a single party that stands for the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
The Democratic-Republican entity can be likened to newly discovered species of fowl named the Shitbird. The Shitbird is a flightless bird that is fat and ugly. It may be related to dodaers ("plump-arse"). Scientist have also noticed similarities with the Mauritius bird, the walghvogel ("loathsome bird" or "nauseating fowl"). Shitbirds have a left and a right wing but the reason the bird can't fly is because the wings are so close together. Scientist have tried to separate the wings but they always seem to grow back together, hense the name Shitbird.
The Shitbird is a close relative of modern Hawks. (mtDNA cytochrome b and 12S rRNA sequences) analysis suggests that the Shitbird's ancestors diverged from those of its closest known relatives, pigeons and doves.
...and the picture of a fawning Nancy Pelosi gratefully patting the arm of the world's biggest corporate whore doesn't help the Democratic cause either.
Clarity "comes up like thunder" (on the road to Mandalay).
Just as my wife and I were ready to write our first check to Barack Obama's campaign, he announced his (albeit reluctant) support for "telecom immunity".
The granting of "retroactive telecom immunity" is precisely tantamount to pardoning Adolf Hitler in 1945 after he announces that he is "sorry for any inconvenience he had caused" and would welcome immunity from prosecution. Or, put another way, like our soldiers on the Normandy beaches remarking, "well, we've come this far; now it's time to go home".
Sorry, Barack, but Surrender is NOT Compromise. As a World War II veteran I am unendingly appalled at how cheaply our Constitution is valued; when gutless politicians like Ben Chandler (who also caved in) can't find the courage or integrity to stand up and fight they merely melt away into the Fascism that IS Washington, DC.
Shameful and FULL COMPLICITY with the ruling 'corporatist Empire' by Demo'rats'.
Grennwald from Salon: "George Bush's latest powers, courtesy of the Democratic Congress"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/telecom/index.html
"Person" spying on Americans = 'Corporatist Empire' spying on us.
"Protection of Persons Assisting the Government." Section 802(a) provides:
[A] civil action may not lie or be maintained in a Federal or State court against any person for providing assistance to an element of the intelligence community"
This sickening description of "persons" helping to spy on Americans really refers to the Supreme Court error of 1886 allowing 'corporations' and later by extension this ruling 'corporatist Empire', hiding behind the facade of the two-party 'Vichy' government, to pose as "persons" and to spy on real human American persons.
Thus this legislation is interesting in that it is the first to formally assert that the ruling 'corporatist Empire' is above the law ---- and can spy on, oppress, and legally apply tyranny to any human American through the 'Vichy' charade of its political whores (of both corporatist parties).
Now we can clearly see what Nader means about the suicide of continually voting for the "least worst" rats.
preznit_bouche June 21st, 2008 7:51 am -- "Thats a bit of code to grab your IP address, the comment you post, the date. I'm not saying CD is doing this maliciously, but I'm curious as to why they might do so."
You must surely be aware that "grabbing" IP addresses, along with several other pieces of visitor info, is routine for any web server and/or content management system (CMS). Its primary use is by webmasters for statistical purposes and site management. In some cases, it also supports advertising revenues.
The real spooks (NSA, etc.) would seldom, if ever, bother with the stuff that is collected by individual sites. They don't need it as they operate and harvest data at the internet backbone level.
Please Allah, Stop Bush from dismantling ("reforming") Social Security and Medicare by a "bipartisan compromise".
72 year old cynic.
And they wonder why both houses have such low marks. I predit alot of folks will go indie after the GE. The only reason why they haven't done so now is because they want to make sure a dem gets into the white house in '08. We really need to kill the current two-party system.
RIP
US Constitution
Born 9/17/1787
Died 6/20/2008
The article posted by efsawyer is interesting, the next step being total mind control of the population by electromagnetic impulses, which should be theorectically possible. I am looking for some cave to crawl into.
I like the idea of going after already elected Democrats--because that's where the real power lies--in the Congress and Senate. change the Congress and Senate from a herd of go along to get along incumbents and replace them with angry insurgents in veto proof majorities and the following can happen:
1. The wars stop. (no money = no war)
2. Repeal of the US Patriot Act, Military Comissions Act, Homeland Security Act, etc.
3. Repeal of NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, WTO participation, etc.
4. Overseas military installations begin to close (no money=no staff, equipment, or operational budget). Suggtested starting place Gitmo, then Europe, then Japan.
5. Reinstitution of corporate and personal tax levels similar to post WWII levels.
6. Reinstatement of security market reforms of the New Deal era (primarily the Glass-Stegal Act).
Saved money will be reallocated for single payer healthcare, social security reform, reconstruction of a workable passenger rail system to replace significant portions of air and automobile travel.
Congress is a reflection of We The People, aren't we B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L !
Also highly recommended: www.wikileaks.org. This allows for untraceable, and as advertised, uncensorable. The site uses advanced crytographic techniques to accomplish this. It can be your friend. Have some official dirt you want to leak? DO IT. Wikileaks was instrumental in breaking open some Swiss banking scandal for hiding assets of the wealthy .. it is working.
"Wikileaks is an uncensorable version of Wikipedia for untraceable mass document leaking and analysis. It combines the protection and anonymity of cutting-edge cryptographic technologies with the transparency and simplicity of a wiki interface.
Wikileaks looks like Wikipedia. Anybody can post comments to it. No technical knowledge is required. Whistleblowers can post documents anonymously and untraceably. Users can publicly discuss documents and analyze their credibility and veracity. Users can discuss the latest material, read and write explanatory articles on leaks along with background material and context. The political relevance of documents and their veracity can be revealed by a cast of thousands.
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Here's a practical suggestion from a computer guy. One form of surveilance of your Internet activity is called traffic analysis, it simply means that the observing powers keep track of the sites you visit, who you email, etc, perhaps without snooping on the content. Download and install Tor, read about it here http://www.torproject.org/index.html.en. Leave Tor running and select "setup relaying" if you want to help hide the traffic of others. You can select which applications you want to help, for example, only websites to lend anonymity to other browsers (and yourself of course). Firefox, the browser, supports Tor so you can browse anonymously.
Common dreams collects your IP address when you post. I've observed the following error message when posting:
SELECT comment_content, comment_author_IP, comment_date_gmt FROM wp_comments WHERE comment_ID =
Thats a bit of code to grab your IP address, the comment you post, the date. I'm not saying CD is doing this maliciously, but I'm curious as to why they might do so. But .. if you're using Tor you can't comment on CD. Why? Don't know.
You might also consider using PGP encryption for email, I don't have any real secrets but I've used it on occasion since the early 90s. By the way, recall that the Clinton/Gore administration tried to eliminate the right to use encryption .. remember the "Clipper" chip?
Glad to see the populace waking up .. get creatively radical, folks. Keep it legal, but step up the heat. Get their attention!
Ditto. Obama had a big backing, maybe still does. I was inclined to back him until his recent roll-overs, and those of the Democratic Party in Congress. Nope, it just doesn't work for me. McCain? Obama? Whatever.
This is not just a Presidential election (not only Pelosi is up for reelection).
Hold all the elected officials responsible for their votes.
Any change will have to start on this level, and work its way up. Change has rarely started from the top down.
And don't throw your vote away by voting for a democrat shill.
Thinkgs are already unacceptable because people voted out of fear for the democrats, now we are reaping what we sow.
Yoo, hoo... Daniel David... where are you?
Well, I guess someone copped all I just wrote, or the censor is a slow reader. Perhaps they don't like me saying we really got 'had' today in the house, with bread & circus for the masses thrown in by the Scott McClellan testimony distraction. (and he really didn't reveal much). Why couldn't this vote have been another day, especally since so many Congress people had to recess from committee to deal with this crucial piece of legislation? (back door constitutional reform)
No enticement to Senators should allow passage. The executive has overstepped the bounds of even the fictitious 'Unitary', and the belief that branch controls the other two is just an invitation to disaster.
Did my post not post because I used the words, New World Order?
Pelosi is a national disgrace.
Sorry- I couldn't resist this double post... read something on opednews.com that was really interesting:
"Speaking of Congress and democracy, did you know that in the year 1900, 75% of Congressional daily business was in service of "private petitions", brought to Congress by The American People. Today, that figure stands at 3%, meaning that 97% of all Congressional business originates from either the Representatives themselves, Corporate America, or professional lobbyists."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Drop-Whatever-You-re-Doing-by-chris-rice-080618-207.html
Grappa, "Why can't they live on a ,say, 50-60 thousand dollar salary, I do."
My god! I think you accidently just advocated for socialist democracy! Also referred to as communism depending on who you ask.
This government is not out of control, those in power know exactly what they're doing. Look, we're paying these blood suckers exorbitant salaries, the ones who are in the leadership roles are for the most part in a class of wealth. I'm referring to people like Pelosi and Hoyer. They have an agenda that says we are going to do things that serve our class. We must change this model. Alas, I believe it can only happen by the diminution of our economy. At that point we can lower the wages these people receive. Why can't they live on a ,say, 50-60 thousand dollar salary, I do.
Yes, Illinois independent, it is imperative that that the liberal Senators w/a constitutional conscience filibuster this fascist legislation, and signal that in fact freedom might still be on the march, at least here, if not where we're colonizing. Why not then give immunity to all guilty of drug offenses, petty theft, etc.?
These Democrats who caved must face stiff primaries in the future, or support for greens. As for the Repugs, they'd should all be sent back to private sector forever.
I simply can not support a candidate or a party that does not protect my rights. I have contacted both of my senators (Durbin and Obama) by e-mail and voicemail and told them to fillibuster this bill or neither of them will get my vote. I have contacted my rep (Bobby Rush) and thanked him for voting against the bill. I called Nancy Pelosi's San Fran office to complain and let them know I will donate to Cindy Sheehan. I've called Steny Hoyer's office in DC but his voicemail is full. I will continue to be viligent until the Senate votes. If the Dems do not finish this, they are finished and will never get another vote from me. Never!
Next on the slate is to pass the "Home grown Terrorist Bill" then it's a spook around every corner.
Oh please save our pathetic asses Mr Obama.
HA FUCKING HA
don't count on it sheep.
BLEAAAGGGHHHH!!!
Untill we get rid of Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emmanuel, Fred Hiatt and their ilk from the heart of Disaster Capitalism (including the corporatists and neo-cons) we will continue to have this malignancy in both the halls of Congress, but also at the very core of the Democratic Party. The Republicans? They're already a lost cause a la Cheney, Bush, McShame and all the rest. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need more than Obama - - we need a populist revolution before we leave our children and grandchildren a scorched earth for a legacy!
opeluboy June 20th, 2008 8:18 pm -- arvy - The Faust analogy is interesting, but it presents one enormous, glaring flaw. It reads: "Modern politics gives us a new version, where a candidate for the presidency of the USA wishes so to impress the voters that he has sold his soul to AIPAC."
I agree. Mr Thompson's stated motivation, "to impress the voters", is just plain wrong. But, considering his current location, perhaps he can be forgiven for missing some ongoing motivational shifts in US politics. I thought the rest of his analogy was pretty good.
It's very easy for those San Franciscans to "impeach" Pelosi: vote for Cindy Sheehan, who is running for her seat. I'd love it to happen, but won't hold my breath!
At least a representative from the ACLU on the News Hour (PBS) was able to set the record, and her opponent in the interview, straight. She called the immunity for what it is, a capitulation, and went so far to say that those 40 lawsuits are as good as tossed out of court if this bill passes. Russ Feingold: please put up a fight, along with Boxer, Whitehouse, Leahy hopefully! Tell Reid not to even put this bill up for consideration! It's really that simple. Again, I won't hold my breath that Reid would do the right thing. Tom Tommorow's cartoon of June 2007 is as relevant today as it was then (the one with Bush kicking sand in Reid's face as a beach bully, Reid saying he's going to stand up to the beach bully, and his girl not buying any of it!).
ONE MORE TIME, FOLKS: WE HAVE A ONE PARTY SYSTEM IN THIS REPUBLIC!!!!!! IT HAPPENS TO BE COMPRISED OF TWO BRANCHES; DEMWITS AND REPUGNICANS!!!!!!! GO GREEN!
I found myself staring for the longest time at the picture accompanying this article. It had the same sickening quality that one would have staring at a picture of dead mangled corpses from a train wreck. It's horrific, but I stared anyway, lost in confusion and anger, with an unanswerable question, why?, sitting in my gut.
Impeach this whole damned fakedemocracy!!!
Why on Earth would a progressive vote for a sold out Democrat when they have much better choices? A choice between the two parties is like the choice between a Bud and a Bud lite. They're basically the same crap!
Time to Dump the Democrats! Wake up and vote for a third party like the Greens. Compare the Greens to the Republicans and Democrats
Invasion and Occupation of Iraq
Oppose
Support
Support
Patriot Act
Oppose
Support
Support
Invasion of Afghanistan
Oppose
Supported
Supported
Kosovo War
Opposed
Supported
Supported
Military Budget
Reduce
Increase
Increase
Israeli Occupation of West Bank and Gaza.
Oppose
Support
Support
Global Warming - Reduction of Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Support
Oppose
Oppose and Failed to Act.
Right to Choose
Support
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Support (?)
National Health Insurance single-payer national health insurance
Support
Oppose
Oppose
Clean Water
Support
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Weak Support
Death Penalty
Oppose
Support
Support
Labor: Wages and Unions
Support
Oppose Workers
Minimal Support
(Global) Corporate Power
Trade Agreements and Institutions (NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, WTO)
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I agree with many posts here.
The Democratic party has proven they are (and have been) enablers for this dispicable administration. History will judge them harshly as so we should. First, we get a super majority, then make our intentions known to hold them accountable. If they don't perform the people's will, replace as many DINOs as possible as soon as possible. That's the only thing left, short of outright national strikes and revolution to return to a country NOT run by corporate whores.
On Countdown with Keith Olbermann both yesterday and today, this vote was analyzed with the background that the Democratic leadership has been privy to the knowledge of the violations from day one. Their silence and complicity makes the passage of this bill clearly a case of, in Olbermann's words, "C.Y.A. (cover your ass)." I think it's time to acknowledge that we live in a police state. Citizens have the appearance of protection -- as long as you don't actually do anything to exercise your, now nullified, right to privacy.
Anyone here who is opposed to this, and who has not yet sent Cindy Sheehan at least $25?
I think this matches well with the Obama Christ's decision to gut what's pseudo-public funding and regulation there is over presidential campaign fund raising.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid - "I'm going to try real hard to have a separate vote on immunity," Reid said in an interview to be aired this weekend on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital with Al Hunt."
"Probably we can't take that out of the bill, but I'm going to try."
Then why the hell did you vote for it? CYA maybe? Yeah!
More whining. For the umpteenth time:
These people know who's towing the line, and they know how to deceive you hedonistic, anti-American swine. They fooled you into thinking they would rescue your precious liberal values, and then they fooled you again - hah!
Next is the Obama gag designed to drain Democrocktic resources so that the giant Dick Cheney in your face can squeeze out one final hot one while laughing hysterically.
For the umpteenth time, Jesus rules, Pelosi is a great tool for us true chickenpluckin' Americans, and Bush is the Second Coming.
Recently I left a web site address and suggested that everone read about the life of J. McCain from child to date. Not the patriotic drivel he wants the public to believe. Guess what??? It disappeared. Perhaps Big Brother is even watching this blog??
I'm a life long democrat, but what Peliosi, Hoyer and the rest of the democratic leadership have done is send Bush another victory in defeating their own people in this country, and Obama's silence is being heard by others loud and clear! I'm left of center in my political belief and now find my democratic Party going right wing... I'm leaving the Party and joining the Socialist Workers Party,at least I know their leftist enough for me!
tremaine June 20th, 2008 4:51 pm
>In a good number of countries of northern and northwestern Europe, it is almost precisely the opposite. Everything is tilted in favor of, if not left, at least left of center politics.
True. Even with right-wing nationalist parties, the majority of people are nowhere near as ignorant and xenophobic as the US. A much more socially vibrant society. I guess they learned a thing or two after the facism of the 1930's. Wonder if the US will.
arvy - The Faust analogy is interesting, but it presents one enormous, glaring flaw. It reads:
"Modern politics gives us a new version, where a candidate for the presidency of the USA wishes so to impress the voters that he has sold his soul to AIPAC."
Nothing could be more ridiculously wrong. Candidates do not grovel before AIPAC (or make the mandatory pilgrimages to Israel to be vetted by the Knesset) to impress voters. They do it to avoid having their careers torpedoed by the Zionists.
Do you suppose for a moment that some voter on a farm in Idaho gives a shit whether AIPAC approves a candidate or not? I would venture that less than 10% of the citizens of this country even know what AIPAC is.
Do you think the average voter sees a clip of a candidate kowtowing to AIPAC and is impressed?
There are only two members of this audience who matter: American Jews and Christian Zionists.
And since very little of our media is controlled by Christian Zionists, and more than half of Democratic monetary support comes from American Jews, I think we can understand who this is directed at.
Hey Rebel Farmer:
Just give a listen to those folks calling in to rant radio. They're perfectly happy with the way congress is conducting business. Plus all the folks working for telecom, the real estate industry, the financial industry. Just ask anyone you know working for them, doesn't have to be a millionaire-billionaire.
LOL. Our democracy in action. Hey, how about Obama's reversal on public financing. Change. Nah. Anyone in Congress going to challenge Bush's NPSD 59 before it becomes law. Nope. Anyone know Chris Dodds housing legislation requires that every credit card transaction in America, such as Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express, and payment systems like eBay's PayPal, Amazon, and Google Checkout will be required to get reported to the goverment.
Say hey, what about those levee failures. Wonderful coverage of that.
Amy Goodmam said the issue is Global Warming. One pundit on CNN said the problem is even having levees, that we should not try to control Mother Nature and let the Mississipi flow where she wants. Hoo boy. Not a lot of concern about the quality and maintenance of the levees. Obama of course made use of a photo-op and bagged some sand bags, more than can be said for McCain, but no mention of the cause of the levee failures.
America is burnt toast. Not much you can do except scrape off the charcoal and feed it to the birds.
I am voting Republican, here, there and everywhere. I won't care what their name is or what the issues are. If we are going to be one party, just get it over with, and have 100% Republicans in there. Republican across the board, one party, no need to waste time and money with elections or debates. No need to continue the divide and rule game playing which party to blame. It's easy to hate Republicans after the last 8 years, kind of addictive. Why change and then have to hate the new ruling party for doing pretty much the same thing in a slightly different way.
P.S. Hi Cindy!! Sent you two donations already. I'm unemployed and can't afford it, but if our country goes down the drain, I can't afford that either.
Go Cindy! Go!!
I got to thinking, after reading the above comments, that it isn't just the folks that voted for the Dimwits that have been sold out. Last time I checked, Repug voters are also part of "we the people". I wonder how they feel about being sold out by their Repug congress critters? It seems to me that they must have some thoughts about losing their rights and their country too. I just wonder. Does anybody know any repugs? Are they starting to wake up? Think they might want to join this brawl to throw the bums out - Dimwhit and Repug. Many seem to support Ron Paul.
Just askin'......
If Obama can't kill the FISA bill in the Senate, he's not worth a shit let alone a vote. I wont vote for another duplicitous corporatist, he either fixes this or I'll vote for someone else.
I concur with many of the comments that say how our country is being sold out under our feet as most Americans are just ignoring it.
I know I didn't have my current position overnight. But I have seen in the last 20 years a pattern how government, starting with Ronald Reagan, went around every law that stood in the way of their profit, while allowing for the oppression of those who were using legal means to challenge it.
The public trust wasn't protected by the democrats or the republicans.
For those of you that have issues with Mr. Nader, please you the same measuring stick to your democratic candidates as you with Nader.
There is a major crisis occuring to almost every aspect of America - economic, justice, political, environmental, and society will be the ulitmate 'victim' though I can't say innocent victim because they have been warned of the problem of supporting the democratic party.
Vote Third Party, Ralph Nader, not just for the presidential race but other elections if your representaative is supporting the corporate process over the interests of the people.
Ralph Nader for President
"Obama says he supports FISA compromise"
The AI PACman is giving us Hobsen's Choice of Bush Light or Bush Dark.
I think we need a countercoup! This political song and dance, opera and ballet, isn't working anymore.
I--must confess--have nothing to contribute to this "discussion." I feel, as most of the preceding responses do, betrayed, but not by persons, not by Bush or Pelosi, but by a system I once believed in. The people? politicians and "ordinary" citizens? I never expected much of them (that includes me, of course), but I believed in the Bill of Rights and the Separation of Power, and logic and intelligence and knowledge . And now it's all gone, gone like the fire that drove me in just anger to oppose the war in Vietnam, actively, when I never felt fear doing so in public, or when I was interrogated by the Secret Service after calling Johnson to accuse him of his responsibility for the death of a soldier in Vietnam. Minor, meaningless, actions: just a matter of person against person. But I did think, at that time that the system was still intact. I don't think, believe, that is so now. We, along with the documents of written faith in ideas, no longer matter.
Canuckchuck wrote:
[i]As a non-USAian, I have a question.
How can a simple majority of Congress overrule the 4th Ammendment to your constitution? [/i]
They can't. The Constitution is supposed to supercede what Congress does. The problem (or rather, part of the problem)is that interpretation of this issue falls to a court system filled with judges that will mostly give Bush what he wants-and Congress lacks both the power and the will to use it to stop Bush even if he violated a Supreme Court judgement against him.
Really, the underlying problem is that the Constitution itself is grossly antiquated. In a system with multiple political parties, the Democrats wouldn't stand a chance after all of the betrayals, and in a system with either a referendum or no confidence vote on a national level, they all would've been thrown out some time ago.
efsawyer (5:12 pm) - May I suggest that you refrain from posting entire articles here in CD discussion threads? You could just post a simple link. A link is even better than the whole text, because anyone who wants to look at the article may do so; & at the same time, you avoid annoying those who come to CD for discussion & commentary. Thanks.
What you phone companies did was against the law.
Here's retroactive immunity.
What you're doing in Iraq is reprehensible.
Here's more money so you can keep doing it.
Your capitulations enable the continuation of every policy you rail against.
Here's my vote.