The US should have taken them and they should have moved into the most right wing bigoted parts of the US. How about Texas? Hot weather. Sandy. The people who say they wanted to give Iraqis their freedoms would be the most accommodating(since the war supporters all volunteered for the war and have empty houses).

Sweden is a genuinely decent country. It would be a fine place to emigrate.

kelmer - Perfect!

The United States attacking Iraq may have been a suicidal mistake. However, Europe, taking in large amounts of Muslim and Iraqi refugees, may be another suicidal mistake.

joshuar -- would you be so kind as to explain exactly what you are trying to imply? I mean about Muslim and Iraqi refugees, although I note that Christians are pictured.

CJM--- Joshuar is implying that he is a typical islamophobe.

And what is wrong with being an Islamophobe? Fifteen percent of the American people already believe that Obama is a Muslim and with any luck that number may go up to 40% by election time.

Nothing wrong with hating anyone you want to hate if you are that twisted; vilifying people publicly is another matter, particularly for no reason. There's quite a few people I have no time for, and so avoid as far as possible, but I save my loathing for people I have met, or who have actually done something to harm me. Picking on victims is the sort of thing I would have expected of the Bu$h junta.

And don't think Obama will save you either.

Its too bad all those Aramaic speaking Christians from Iraq are not going to the US to remind them of the actual Pacifist Roots of Christianity. Would Americans be so glib about the thousands of dead Iraqis if they saw them as people like themselves? would knowing they were less watered down christians than most americans help them to see that?

Islamophobia is my badge of honor.

~ JRUEBL ~

Lets me guess, you wear the BADGE over your eyes?

Please do let us all know about the honor of hate,
as this is really something new to most.

Sura 9:5
"Then when the Sacred Months have passed, kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and observe the Islamic lifestyle, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Exactly WHAT part of sura 9:5 do you not understand?

Islam is a law-based religion, to a much greater extent than any other religion we know of. And utterly incomparable to the Jewish religion that is also called a law-based religion by some. The Islamic law of faith, Sharia, is also the civil law of Islam. The main offering of Islam is to replace other legal systems with Sharia. As a Danish-speaking imam stated recently: "You request me to condemn stoning of women, but what can I do, when my god demands stoning of women?"

Exactly WHAT part of Sharia law do you not understand?

This is simply a question of fact. The Bible contains no open-ended, universal command to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, as does the Qur'an 9:29, 9:5, 8:60, Muhammad commanded his followers to wage war against unbelievers who refused to convert to Islam, and to subjugate them as dhimmis (Sahih Muslim 4294). When did Jesus ever say anything like that?

Remember christianaphobes we are talking here about the NEW TESTAMENT of christ NOT the old testament (history) of the Jews

The word 'al-Taqiyya' literally means: 'Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.' A one-word translation would be 'Dissimulation'".

According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

jruebl June 20th, 2008 12:34 pm
"Islamophobia is my badge of honor"

Islamophobia is not really a badge of honor, more like intellegence to read and understand the qur'an, hadiths and sharia law and what they mean for non moslems and not blindly believe what the news papers or magazines or moslem apologists would like you to believe.
I always thought that only CULTS killed members who leave the cult but it is the law in islam to kill a moslem who decides to leave the Ummah and join another religion or no religion.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle (Mohammed) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle (Mohammed), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Islam DOES NOT mean peace, it means SUBMISSION to the will of Allah (slavery)

wolf123 -- What a depressingly stupid person you appear to be. Do you "work" for Blackwater perhaps?

CJM June 21st, 2008 1:16 am

Did you really READ the article and understand it?
"Since the start of the war in March 2003, Iraqi Christians fleeing persecution from Islamic militants have set out with Sodertalje in mind, with around 100 arriving each month, according to officials."

With a reply like that you can only be a moslem apologist or a moslem burying us under a mountain of 'al-Taqiyya'

Those who can read and understand can see past your lies, the qur'an spells out what islam is all about just like mein kampf spelled out what hitler and nazism was all about.

If you are not a moslem or a moslem apologist but merely delusional than ask yourself;

"Here we come to the contradiction that lies at the heart of Islam: if the religion of the Prophet is so true, so perfect, so exactly right for the human race, why is force necessary to install it and maintain it?"

What is your answer, or will we get nothing more from you but more al-Taqiyya?

Islam = the new Reds under the bed.

If USA imperialism didn't go invading countries for their oil (or other natural assets), I think most ordinary citizens of Arabian countries (of whatever faith) would not even be able to pick out the USA on a map, just as most Merkins would be unable to distinguish Iraq from Syria or Iran.

Every country has its fuckwits, although I have to say that, of late, the US seems to have more than its fair share, at least amongst those in power. I think it might be something to do with the ratio of lawyers per capita, which is very high. I am actually very serious about that.

By the way wolf123, since it appears that you are such an expert, do you know which is the most populous Islamic nation in the world? And what threat they are?

Indonesia, as if you didn't know.
And what threat they are? (linguistically it is "are they")

The Catholic Church is the dominant religious institution in East Timor.
Lisbon severed ties after the December 1975 invasion of East Timor by Indonesian troops. Indonesia unilaterally declared the territory its 27th province in 1976.

CANBERRA, Nov 16 (Reuters) - A coroner urged the Australian government on Friday to seek war crimes charges against former Indonesian military officers over the 1975 killing of five Australian newsmen during Indonesia's invasion of East Timor.

East Timor's debut, on 20 May 2002, as a sovereign member of the international community, was the culmination of a long and hard fight for independence against more than four centuries of Portuguese colonization, Japanese occupation during World War II, and 24 years of brutal Indonesian annexation. Within hours of the announcement of these results on 3 September 1999, Indonesian military and pro-Indonesia militias launched an orchestrated campaign of retribution across the territory. This included assassination of pro-independence supporters and other acts of violence and destruction against people and property. An estimated 70% of essential infrastructure and public and private buildings were damaged or destroyed, leaving the people of East Timor without access to utilities, shelter, healthcare or education services. Between 1,000 and 2,000 people were killed, and more than two thirds of the population (of 850,000) was displaced due to mass deportations to West Timor, forced dislocation, abduction and flight to shelter in the mountains. Many East Timorese are still being forcibly detained in refugee camps in West Timor.

As you can see Indonesia is not your fun loving peace and freedom for all country. Persecution of any one who is not moslem is widespread just like in "bushes democratic" Iraq.

Moslems in Indonesia were responsible for the 2005 Bali bombings in which killed 202 people -- most of them young Australians -- and injured more than 300. Dozens of victims were burned beyond recognition or simply blown to pieces by the power of the massive blasts. Exactly what did the Australians do to the Indonesian moslems to cause them to fry innocent people besides trying to stop the Indonesian moslems from slaughtering as many East Timorese christians as possible?

"Islam = the new Reds under the bed."

No, Islam is far worse, Stalin and all those who followed him and Mao and all those who followed him combined have not come close to killing as many innocent people as 1400 years of brutal islamic conquest.

"Moslems in Indonesia were responsible for the 2005 Bali bombings"

Not Moslems, no -- although they might have called themselves that. They were terrorists.

wolfman, there was nothing wrong with my grammar. It was simply a rhetoric device of continuation of the first question with a further question. Perhaps because it was written, rather than spoken out loud, its subtlety (such as it was) missed you. Punctuation marks are tools -- sometimes blunt instruments -- not masters.

But whilst we are dealing with the delights or otherwise of English, here is an old proverb (saw?) which you may have heard before:

When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Apply that to the US, which spends more on armaments than the rest of the world COMBINED, and where does it lead?

My bad, I just have far too much info in front of me and I cross the death toll in the 2002 Bali bombing with the death toll in the 205 Bali bombing in my last post, sorry.

The 2002 Bali bombings occurred on 12 October 2002 in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali. The attack was the deadliest act of terrorism in the history of Indonesia, killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.
Various members of Jemaah Islamiyah, a violent Islamist group, were convicted in relation to the bombings, including three individuals who were sentenced to death. Abu Bakar Bashir, the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah, was found guilty of conspiracy, and sentenced to two and a half years imprisonment. (He spent only 20 months in a minimum security prison)
In April 2003 Indonesian authorities charged Abu Bakar Bashir (also rendered "Ba'asyir") with treason. It was alleged that he tried to overthrow the government and set up an Islamic state. The specific charges against Bashir related to a series of church bombings on Christmas Eve in 2000 which killed 18 christians, and to a plot to bomb United States and other Western interests in Singapore. (He was acquitted of these charges)

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesian police have detained an Islamic militant suspected of involvement in triple suicide bombings on the resort island of Bali in 2005, a spokesman said on Monday. Three suicide bombers blew themselves up in tourist-packed Bali restaurants on October 1, 2005, killing 20 people.

You have islamic terrorists killing innocent non-moslems in Indonesia, islamic terrorists killing everybody in Bali, and you have the islamic government of Indonesia backing islamic militants and Indonesian army units killing as many christian East Timorese as possible until the Australian army stopped them. Just how is what is happening in indonesia in any way different from what sura 9:5 says? Unlike the bible which was supposedly written by divinely inspired men, the qur'an is according to moslems the EXACT word of allah and MUST be obeyed. As a Danish-speaking imam stated recently: "You request me to condemn stoning of women, but what can I do, when my god demands stoning of women?"
Mukhlas Imron, of the 2002 Bali bombing, said: "You who still have a shred of faith in your hearts, have you forgotten that to kill infidels and the enemies of Islam is a deed that has a reward above no other? Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Muhammad and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?" Zarqawi responded to criticism of his videotaped beheading of Nick Berg by saying: "The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered [his army] to strike the necks of prisoners in [the battle of] Badr and to kill them....And he set a good example for us."

One more thing,
"If USA imperialism didn't go invading countries for their oil"
If the US invaded Iraq to steal it's oil, where the hell is all this stolen oil and why am I paying $4.25 a gallon for gasoline?

There is no question if the US spent less money on armaments and more on infrastructure and society the US would be a much better place.

wolf123 -- I find it amusing that you haul me up alleging lack of liguistic skill, and then write "my bad".

In answer to the $4.25 a gallon: so? They don't care how much it costs, in fact it is better expensive -- just so long as it is theirs to control and sell.

My comment regarding terrorist as opposed to Muslims was more meant that it was a power thing -- they are using Islam as an excuse. Only a few Muslims follow Sharia law anyway, eg the (ex-CIA funded) Taliban. Moderate Muslims would do better to distance themselves from the extremists, as would Christians from their equivalent.

Sharia, or Islamic law, influences the legal code in most Islamic countries, but the extent of its impact varies widely. At the devout end of the spectrum are the Islamic Republic of Iran, where mullahs are the ultimate authority, and Saudi Arabia, a monarchy where the Quran is considered the constitution. Turkey is on the other end but is slowly moving to be more Sharia compliant.
Sharia governs all aspects of life, from relations between men and women to ethics in business and banking. Some aspects of sharia have become part of modern legal codes and are enforced by national judicial systems, while others are a matter of personal conscience. Entirely secular law is not an option under a classical interpretation of Islam, experts say. "In Islam, there is no separation between the secular and the sacred. The law is suffused with religion," says David Powers, a professor of Islamic law and history at Cornell University. Most Middle Eastern countries continue to incorporate some traditional sharia into their legal codes, especially in the area of personal-status law, which governs marriage, divorce, and inheritance. In other areas of the law, such as the criminal code, most Islamic nations have attempted to limit the application of traditional sharia, replacing it either with secular legislation or with laws characterized as modern interpretations of sharia. Iran and Saudi Arabia are exceptions--they claim to fully implement sharia in all areas of the law.
The constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan both state no law will be made that goes against Sharia law, so much for bushes democracy building.

"Moderate Muslims would do better to distance themselves from the extremists"
Why then after each terrorists attack do 1 billion "moderate" moslems not rise up as one and denounce the terrorists and call for their capture and execution? In 2007 Islam and Judaism's holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days. Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10 countries during this time... while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.
see:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

What it comes down to is the islamic terrorists read and follow the words and deeds of mohammed (the last prophet and the most perfect man) I didn't say it moslems do, far better would it be for the world if man read and follow the words and deeds of christ a pacifist rather than mohammed a war monger who would probably fit right in with bushes cabinet.

Sorry about the "my bad" I unfortunately must work with linguistically challenged people and sometimes pick up there bad habits.