The remove to remove Nancy Pelosi was sent to the ethics committee on 14 June ..

When a special torture prosecutor is appointed by Conyers (McClellan has five more days to play games, if you watched c-span) .. then impeachment will be "on the table".

Both Conyers and Waxman are aware of what is at stake.

Now please get over the OBAMARAMA bs and get to work getting petitions signed for impeachment.

Dennis K. put up the new site yesterday - but it's only for American citizens to sign.

My blog has all the information on WAR CRIMES; today I will do another petition for global citizens to sign for the impeachment of Bush. I really hope people take these petitions SERIOUSLY this time.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/global-people-for-the-impeachment-of-richard-cheney

The remove to remove Nancy Pelosi was sent to the ethics committee on 14 June ..

When a special torture prosecutor is appointed by Conyers (McClellan has five more days to play games, if you watched c-span) .. then impeachment will be "on the table".

Both Conyers and Waxman are aware of what is at stake.

Now please get over the OBAMARAMA bs and get to work getting petitions signed for impeachment.

Dennis K. put up the new site yesterday.

My blog has all the information on WAR CRIMES; today I will do another petition for global citizens to sign for the impeachment of Bush. I really hope people take these petitions SERIOUSLY this time.

The biggest mistake America can make at this point in time is to let the criminals in the current Bush Administration walk out of office smiling cheerily, waving their goodbyes, as if it is just another day, and as if they have served their country well during the horrific period that marks their tenure. If America and Americans let these people walk with swagger from the office, the world will knoow America is lost to democracy, truly lost to law, to justice, to anything decent and humane. However, should America bring these criminals and profiteers and the people who backed and aided and abetted them to justice, then America will in a stroke, restore so much of the political and social capital that has been squandered resulting in so much death, so much debt, so much suffering and misery. I should like to see that happen, because I think America can be a great country again.

If Pelosi Ried and Conyers NOW fail to impeach, they should be held as accomplices to war crimes.

I hope one of our Senators will charge these conspirators and torturers before other Nations charge these culprits with war crimes. And that includes nancy pelosi who has blocked impeachment since her induction. She too is implicated and blocks our Senators and officials from beginning impeachmen proceedings. She needs to be impeached as well. Someone needs to be able to charge and arrest all of these turn coats. I know what our earlier Congress would have done with these killers: tar and feather and shoot.

Bet Pelosi and the rest of the @*%#*^*s in Congress won't say "Impeachment is off the table" when Republicans move to impeach Obama for something trivial shortly after he is president.

One of the first things these bushco sociopaths did when they stole office was to REFUSE to sign on to the ICC. How convenient.

One thing was VERY CLEAR to me at that precise moment in time, pre-911: they INTENDED TO COMMIT WAR CRIMES, and were already covering their filthy butts.

Hey Republicans and communications tappers (if any are out there listening): Please arrest Bush/Cheney at your next $10,000 per plate dinner for McCain, or whenever the opportunity may arise.

I'm asking you nice. Don't laugh.

There is no reason why any of us, like Major General Taguba here, cannot step up to the plate. It's our collective responsibility not to harbor tyrants and murderers.

Arrest Bush, Cheney, and most of the executive branch. As for Congress, don't vote for the two parties. Throw Pelosi in the slammer for abetting Bush crimes.

What law? Even the Bush adminstration ignores its pet Supreme Court. Why stand on protocol? Arrest the bastards. Probable cause to do so has hit the roof and left the planet. Aren't there any secret service agents out their who will uphold the Constitution by frog-marching their charge to the Hague?

WoW... NoN ICC.

There has to be a way to get justice. There can not be peace without justice.

It is left up to US citizens, shamed and humiliated by these cowards hiding behind Sado-Masochist techniques, to bring all of them to justice.

Otherwise more Sado-Masochism will want residence in USA.

>>haul all their criminal asses to The Hague and let Iraqis prosecute. It's pretty clear what the verdict would be. <<

Yeah. It is clear. No charges filed. No jurisdiction. There are only three ways to get a case to the court. One is to be a signatory nation, which we are not, and commit a crime (which we have of course). Two is to be a non signatory state and commit a crime in a signatory state which Iraq is NOT. Three get the case presented to the court by the Security Council on which we have veto power.

There is NO WAY the ICC can or could or would prosecute any US citizen at this time or in the future for crimes committed before they become a signatory state.

As for the Europeans being so enlightened how many of the Serbians wanted for war crimes are fugitives still? How come they aren't before the ICC?

Making a case and having a trial for war crimes requires agreements that simply do not exist or be made in the aftermath of a war with one side being the absolute winner and the other being the abject looser. That is NOT going to happen any time soon.

The world is badly needing to see a reaction from the US people against so many lies, so much cruelty and despise for others, so many lives taken just for greed and idiocy combined. I am keeping my fingers crossed hoping Ralph Nader is elected and we, South Americans can believe once more in true democracy.
hedology, I love your comments.

Well, there isn't going to be any impeachment and there never was even the hint of its possibility. This complicit Congress would have to impeach itself, if consistency is expected. Pelosi, Conyers, Hoyer, and then Harry Reid in the Senate and all his flock who refuse to even think about impeachment--haul all their criminal asses to The Hague and let Iraqis prosecute. It's pretty clear what the verdict would be.

But forget about impeachment--Not. Gonna. Happen. We have seven more months of this fucking mafia to contend with, and they can still do plenty of damage, maybe even up to and including stealing the election for McCain, or attacking Iran and thru some subterfuge declaring martial law, calling the election off and keeping these psychotics in office. But eventually we can at least hope that Bush, Cheney and the rest of their sick crew will meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein. Justice needs a new suit of clothes.

Remember wondering how German citizens could have allowed the Nazi government to torture their Jewish neighbors? How did the German public let these awful abuses continue? Why didn't the German population unite and stop their government's crimes? Now go look in the mirror.

Major General Antonio Taguba, USA (Ret.)
Your brave actions General made me proud of you and of others in our Government and Military that dared to speak out during this period of America's moral nightmare.
Thank you for your bravery and your sacrifice for America's honor.

If you want to see the real reason why impeachment is off the table, go to antiwar.com and look at "Let Sibel Edmonds Speak: Scott Horton" It is a terrific and very revealing interview.

JCoghlan June 18th, 2008 10:10 pm

Thank You!!!

Documents, made public by the Senate Armed Services Committee show abuse and even torture inflicted on detainees was a deliberate policy of the Bush administration. Among the politicians that were present at a meeting where torture was discussed, and approved, was Nancy Pelosi. It is becoming quite obvious why Speaker Pelosi has taken impeachment of the table. If all the evidence was brought to light in impeachment hearings Ms.Polosi head would roll. She is a willing participant in one of the most disgusting, and barbaric things that has ever happened in this country. I never thought I would live to see my country sink to such pits. If Congress continues to follow Nancy Pelosi's self serving purpose, of taking impeachment off the table, they will not be any better than the scum that needs to be removed from office, and prosecuted for war crimes. If anyone in Congress refuses to take proper action, to impeach, we should never vote for them again. They do not deserve to be representatives of decent, and moral people.

God Bless America, and God Damn those bastards in Congress, who are letting our country go down the toilet.

There doesn't seem to be much daylight between the positions of McCain and Obama with respect to keeping everything "on the table" regarding the threat of attack on Iran, keeping everything "on the table" with regard to the need for 'some' domestic, anti-terrorist spying, and keeping everything "off the table" regarding the impeachment of the Iraq war criminal, Bush.

The 2008 Elections
Of Whales and Worms

By DENNIS LOO
June 16, 2008

Many people regard Obama's upcoming nomination for president as a sign that change is underway and that the nightmare of Bush and Cheney will be over beginning in late January 2009. New York Times columnist Frank Rich, for example, sees Obama's emergence as a changing of the guard. Others have cited Obama's campaign as indicative of millennials beginning to take the political stage. Millions are pleased that finally an African-American is going to be nominated by one of the two major parties and see this as in and of itself a step forward.

For the well-meaning people who are feeling this way, I have this question: How can the same Democratic Party, and the same specific individuals, who have co-operated in, permitted and/or legalized the Bush regime's atrocities – including torture and war crimes – now tell us that the candidate that they endorse is the solution to the horrid things that this system and these individuals have themselves facilitated and colluded in?

http://www.counterpunch.org/loo06162008.html

At the accelerated rate at which the real truth of these war crimes (and the complicity of all; republicans and democrats) is revealed, and known by the world, all existing members of this two-party 'Vichy' government, fronting for the corporatist Empire ruling America, will be toxically contaminated, criminally complicit, and thus unelectable by November.

Both major party presidential candidates are now known to be 'damaged goods' in terms of their complicity and gutless co-option in the face of international war crimes, torture, and NSA spying on Americans.

Only Nader is clean.

"It is never too late to enforce the Constitution. It is never too late to uphold the rule of law. It is never too late to awaken the Congress to its sworn duties under the Constitution. But it will soon be too late to avoid the searing verdict of history when on January 21, 2009, George W. Bush escapes the justice that was never pursued by those in Congress so solely authorized to hold the President accountable." –Ralph Nader

great idea, to the Hague, pleae you educated euros, push this

and his Mom is Aleister Crowley daughter
ALL are evil pieces of shit
need to be burned at the stake to exorcise them of the demons
jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

"Now we have the best possible witness condemning Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Feith, and all the others, in the most explicit terms possible, and there's really no term of abuse adequate for Nancy Pelosi's refusal even to consider impeachment, or John Conyers' suppression of Dennis Kucinich's Bill of Impeachment."

This is the current administration's way of giving the american people a "taste" of what they've been doling out internationally.

to superjls:

Please do.

And so, in the next session of US congress, the US president , and the members, resplendent in their shiny suits, and black gold bank accounts, march singing the parliamentary song from Iolanthe, by Gilbert and Sullivan...

Bow, Bow you middle eastern states,
Kow, Tow, your people to your fates.
Take our oil with missiles,
Else you get our fissiles,
Tan Tan Tara, sing Boom!

Bow Bow, you other little powers,
Kow Tow, we own all the hours,
The US owns your soil,
Because we need our oil
Tan Tan Tara, sing Boom!

We , are the peers for the rich to ride!
Since we have a real thick hide.
We can make all the carbon dioxide,

Tan Tan Tara Seig Heil, Seig Heil,
Tan Tan Tara Seig Heil!

A Nuremberg prosecutor (in the 40's) who prosecuted the Nazi regimes' General Counsel and High Command has also given speeches to Federal judges clearly indicating that this administration has violated the tenets of the Geneva Convention which the Unified Code of Military Justice is based on. http://www.lauferfilm.com/king/ Who else would be more qualified to say so than this man?

Nothing will be done until enough people rise up and revolt against these power holders, and institute a better democratic system. Without accountability there is always deep corruption, and the presidential office is certainly corrupt and behaves as if it is unaccountable. The reason to go for impeachment is to assert the accountability for corrupt presidential authority to the people. Without this, US democracy is a joke.

It is not too late. The US can leave Iraq and Afghanistan any time, or change the relationship that it has to its conquered peoples. Iraq and Afghanistan are now a US responsibility. So please be responsible or leave. The reason that US impeachment will not occur is that the systems of power in the US still approves and requires the further conquest of the middle east at any cost to its inhabitants, since every conquest leads to rationales for further conquest, Criminals never feel safe.

Impeachment would also require atonement for actions and relinquish the fruits and further goals of conquest. Like many imperial nations of the past in wars, the will of the conquerors to give up and seek reparations and peace, can only be obtained by strong opposition from the defenders. The US can only be made to back down from its wars and empire building by equally strong and forceful opposition. Because of the apparent overall military strength of the US empire, with half the US economy devoted to a war machine, which may also include its horrific arsenal of world destroying nuclear power, none of the other major powers are willing singly or in combination to directly oppose. The US appears to be very frightened of being vulnerable to oil blockade. This is the weak link of the empire. Hence the overwhelming number of fleets and bases in the Middle East. So its left to the little people, the suicide bombers, the dispossessed, the nations that have already lost everything, to fight till they die. They are no heroes or terrorists. There are just people given no choice and a very harsh life, courtesy of big power foreign policy, and unscrupulous oil addiction.

Thank You General Taguba.

Baruch et al. You mention the Hague and the ICC and that we should send Bush and Co. there. You do realize that not only does the US not belong to the ICC, but that Iraq doesn't either and didn't before the invasion. The ICC has no jurisdiction over Iraq or US citizens at all and in Iraq they only can prosecute citizens of member countries (like Canada and the UK) who might be implicated in war crimes. Also the crime of "agression" is as yet undefined and thus can't be prosecuted till it is defined. Even then, only agression committed after that date is liable to prosecution.

In 2006, the ICC definitively rejected any legal action resulting from actions in Iraq by Americans. In short, it is never going to happen. Ever. Forget it.

Anybody still wondering why "they" hate us? I mean besides knuckle walkers who watch Fox News.

Special Thanks to Major General Taguba!!

to sputnik: I love your letter! Would you mind if I use your words but tweak it just enough to make it into a Letter to the Editor for our local paper?

to Gail and anyone else who's interested: For help in visualizing and engaging to build the world we hope for, I invite you to visit www.spiritualprogressives.com.

This interfaith organization, which includes all faiths, no faiths, agnostics, and atheists, has drawn up a Global Marshall Plan with a detailed implentation strategy. The plan is based on the values that are so necessary to begin gluing our world back together. Its membership is continuously bringing the plan before our legislators, as well as to the public. The group is working hard toward achieving shift in consciousness within our country.

to all readers: let's take our cue from sputnik! Start writing (or phoning) and get our message out to the slumbering Congress. Just because they haven't listened yet, doesn't mean they won't --- if We the People turn up the heat!

PS Don't forget to include Pelosi and Conyers. Use their 'position' websites, not their districts'. Speaker of the House and House Judiciary Committee, respectively. Hope this helps.

Sadly, it is still the case that the more things change, the more they stay the same ("Plus Ça Change, Plus C'est La Même Chose").

Hearken to a pair of anti-imperial Romans outraged by the excesses of their imperial leaders:

"They ravage, they slaughter, they seize by false pretenses, and all of this they hail as the construction of empire. And when in their wake nothing remains but a desert, they call that peace."
Tacitus (Roman Historian 56–120 C.E.)

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodies?"
Who will guard us against our guardians?
Juvenal (b. 1st century CE)

Nancy Pelosi was in on the meetings about torture and illegal surveillance. Pelosi not only approved of both torture and illegal surveillance, she encouraged more of both! She is an accomplice, who would, herself, have to be impeached and prosecuted should she ascend to the presidency as the result of Bush and Cheney's impeachment ...and hopefully prosecution. Pelosi will be on the same plane with Bush and Cheney being flown to The Hague for their war crimes tribunal. And good enough for her! That being said, Pelosi would never consent to impeachment.

Two things that can and are being done:

1) There is a campaign going on to ask the House of Representatives to replace her immediately, which would only take a majority vote, and which can be done at any time of their choosing.

2) SUPPORT$$ CINDY SHEEHAN"S CAMPAIGN TO UNSEAT PELOSI IN SAN FRANCISCO. Good riddance!

Is there any question that the United States is being run by a bunch of criminals whose unconstitutional statutes and executive privileges have destroyed our domestic economy and good name while investing U.S. lives and borrowed money in non-productive and unsuccessful military conquests?

Keep the faith - there are some analysts who believe that Bilderberger rule is coming to end, and possibly sooner than we think. If we can imagine living in a world that is not being controlled by heartless and indifferent psychopaths, then we can rise above our despair, and with our creative vision we can engage in building the kind of world most of us want to live in; one of peace, compassion, healing and sharing.
Check out the article at: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schoon/2008/0617.html

It's been a nice run the past 200 years (for land owning white males).

RIP Fakedemocracy

Thanks to Physicians for Human Rights and especially to General Taguba for explicitly and firmly stating the truth. General Taguba has made a habit of truth telling. At great cost to his career he told the truth when he made his report to Congress and his superiors on Abu Ghraib. Too bad many more honorable men and women such as the General aren't serving in the military. We wouldn't be in this mess.

Dear Representatives of my Republic:

With regard to Major General Antonio Taguba's preface written for the report, Broken Laws, Broken Lives, released by Physicians For Human Rights— How long are you willing to allow this errant administration to foul the reputation of the United States?

I for one expect you to that act immediately and in a manner that demonstrates to our country—and the world at large—that those responsible for setting this egregious policy will be held accountable for their choice. There is no other way to rebuild our national credibility. Otherwise we— the USA— are no better than terrorists. I'm ashamed that I feel compelled to remind my representatives that it's wrong to torture anyone. I believed that, being American, you already knew.

Put impeachment on the table.

Respectfully,

Major General, if you really wanted to demonstrate patriotism and compassion for your country, you will testify before Congress and help rally support to impeach and convict those who have committed war crimes all the way up to the Village Idiot.

When a Major General who has seen all the classified information on this subject declares that war crimes have been committed by the current administration, all the usual excuses for failing to impeach Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney become even more contemptible...

Is there a limit? Maybe the Democrats are counting on the inadequacy of the English language to express the level of cowardice and criminal complicity that they have already attained, much less anything beyond it.

Now we have the best possible witness condemning Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Feith, and all the others, in the most explicit terms possible, and there's really no term of abuse adequate for Nancy Pelosi's refusal even to consider impeachment, or John Conyers' suppression of Dennis Kucinich's Bill of Impeachment.

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts, and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

On the "democracy now" website www.democracynow.org there is an interview with an impressive American soldier, Mathis Chiroux, who says he refuses to be a criminal and will not partake of war crimes in Iraq.

Extradite Bush Cheney et all to The Hague posthaste and let's get on with their trials.

He Always ask Why . Can you give a reference for the Pelosi info?