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"Water Is Alive, It Hears Our Words"
LAKE LANIER ISLANDS - Native Americans and others completed a 10-day "Walk for the Water" this week along the Chattahoochee River, which some estimates say will dry up completely by 2025 due to pressure from the rapidly growing city of Atlanta.
"We have a problem with water," Gary Fourstar, of Assiniboine and Ohlone lineage and one of the event founders, told IPS. "States are fighting over rights. Water has become like everything else: a commodity rather than being given to us freely by the creator and used as it was meant to be. It is being used for commercial purposes... It becomes a resource, and like all resources is to be used up rather than taken care of."
The journey is part of a movement conceived of by Robertjohn Knapp, of Talabalaba Sioux lineage, in 1988 to raise awareness of humanity to care for the environment. Mohawk, Shoshone, Dine, Cherokee, Creek, and about 15 other tribes were also represented.
"We no longer give thanks for anything," Knapp said. "This is what this is about... Wacaires (wah-kah-res) is a word that we have created to mean doing something to show you care individually or in a group... Love is caring for something. To love the Earth you have to care for it."
The Chattahoochee River begins in the mountains of northeast Georgia, running southwest past Atlanta and through its suburbs, then down into Florida.
Atlanta uses and dumps about 450 to 500 million gallons of wastewater in the Chattahoochee each day, according to Cynthia Barnett, author of "Mirage: Florida and the Vanishing Water of the Eastern U.S.". However, instead of seeking sustainable water management policies, the governors of Alabama, Georgia, and Florida are continuing a 30-plus-year fight over water rights to the Chattahoochee.
"Traditional people, Native Americans and others who have followed the traditional ways, are attuned to the natural world and know we have to respect, honour, and take care of the natural world. And the perspective permeates the life of Native Americans. They're trying to bring to light and build a bridge to people other than Native Americans. It's a have-to," said Debora Fourstar, wife of Gary Fourstar.
The walk began in north Georgia on Jun. 1 at the source of the Chattahoochee River in the town of Unicoi. The walkers continued down the headwaters of the Chattahoochee to Lake Lanier Island, and then on to the Georgia Capitol building in downtown Atlanta.
On Monday, closing ceremonies were held followed by a presentation by Dr. Masaru Emoto entitled "Message from the Water," at the Georgia World Congress Centre.
Dr. Emoto and his work on water crystal formations were featured in the independent film "What the Bleep Do We Know!?" Emoto recently had a New York Times bestselling book, "The Hidden Messages in Water".
He discussed the way in which frozen water crystals seem to respond with pleasant formations to beautiful music; speeches by famous humanists such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; and exposure to pictures and encouraging words written on containers.
He claims they form unattractive formations in response to unpleasant words.
Despite the criticism and leery reaction to Dr. Emoto's findings within the scientific community, there is a strong moral imperative that resonates with people of many faiths as well as secular pragmatists. His belief that God is expressed in water, which has a life of its own, is a component of both Shinto belief and the beliefs of aboriginal peoples.
"Beautiful thoughts can transform things so they become beautiful," says Dr. Emoto.
The belief that water is a gift, which must be respected and loved, has particular relevance when the world is faced with a looming water crisis.
"So we are here to talk to the water, we are here to say we are going to take care of it, we are here to say thank you to the water, to the creator. Water is alive, it hears our words, and responds to our speaking, to our thoughts, and to our words. The creator made nothing dead. We cannot separate ourselves from living things. We are all part of the same world," Gary Fourstar said.
"There are three aspects of love," Knapp said. Love, he explained, was not a feeling but an agreement that you will care for something.
"First there is recognition that we are going to care for the water. Then respect for the water by caring for it. Finally it involves taking responsibility and not blaming others," Knapp said.
"There is a forgiveness that I think we have to ask for," Gary Fourstar added. "If you do something wrong, then you ask for forgiveness. If you don't ask for forgiveness, then you are doomed to perpetuate the action because you are in denial that it ever took place. If we continue to pollute the water, then we are doomed to repeat it. And we are repeating it -- and the water is dying."
In an opinion piece published by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution this week, Sally Bethea, executive director of the Upper Chattahoochee Riverkeeper conservation group, noted that "Local governments in metro Atlanta welcome and approve new developments on a daily basis, with little certainty that water will be available for newcomers in the decades to come. There is talk about water conservation, but no funded incentives and mandates from state leaders. In fact, the only new conservation measure passed in the 2008 legislative session was a three-day sales-tax holiday on water-efficient appliances."
But some lawmakers appear to be taking heed. At the beginning of April, the Georgia State Senate adopted a resolution commending the Many Horses Foundation for organising the walk.
"There are a lot of humans running around the Earth but very few human beings. You have to work to become a human being to take care of life. So we are here to take care of life and become human beings," Gary Fourstar said.
Alice Gordon is a Staff Writer for Atlanta Progressive News. She can be reached at alice@atlantaprogressivenews.com
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show Allyou can tell, natives do love unconditionally. otherwize, they would have given up on us long ago. Word.
~ ELLYDOZER ~
Perhaps the Native Americans retain a simple, reverent, and profound belief that the lands and water are ONE with themselves?
To love oneself is the greatest love of ALL, and through that unconditionally, ALL things become possible.
( BTW, this IS the PURE LOVE of CONSCIOUSNESS -- the SOURCE & LIGHT of ALL that creates and enlivens our every action -- and has absolutely nothing to do with the EGO. )
Namaste
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself» — ML King
Actually, Dr. Emoto doesn't "claim" anything not empirically backed with solid evidence. You can verify his research yourself with a dark field microscope, a piece of paper and a glass of water.
"In the day-to-day work of his group, the creativity of the photographers rather than the rigor of the experiment is an explicit policy of Emoto. Emoto freely acknowledges that he is not a scientist, and that photographers are instructed to select the most pleasing photographs" wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto
Doesn't sound like science to me. This is pseudo-science, end of discussion.
James Randi has a bit to say about it also, http://www.randi.org/jr/052303.html
"There are a lot of humans running around the Earth but very few human beings." - Gary Fourstar.
Now THAT is a quote worth holding onto for the duration. Many of us have long recognized that there is no intrinsic value of human life with respect to any other animals except that which is earned through stewardship.
Probably not an appetizing dish for evangelicals to digest, but we fortunately need not be concerned with that anymore.
Ken Nuti
Medford, MA
Science is not the question. The phenomenon of life and experience of real observation, whether it be the birth of a child or a star. I am reminded that Rastafarians sing about "babylon". It is perhaps worthwhile to raise the mythos that blinds western hearts and minds to the necessity of FIRST stewarding one's resources which, whether one likes to think of it or not - is a primary deep ABIDING love. It doesn't come after the profit motive it is the denial of finite resource that creates the rationale for the profit 'margin'. There are 'marginalized' markets, sections of cities, nations, human beings, aspects of everything with a margin perspective built into the system. It is a chosen myth.
Since ancient Babylon and the myth of Tiamat and Marduk there is no problem with 'evil' - it is held as primordial 'fact' and humans are supposed to always carry violence forward serving what was later referred to as 'mammon'- since the cosmos is said, according to this, to have been created from the ravaged body of the god Tiamat. Marduk later kills a captive god and from his blood creates humans to serve Marduk, build babylon with kings in service to him, and are by reasoning, incapable of living in peace, etc...
Try reading Plato's Republic, metaphor of the cave, with this in mind. We are one culture within laws of nature. If physics has any radical (meaning literally 'root') value, it is that our existance depends on learning about nature. There are different ways of knowing. We are in constant reciprocal exchange, breathing, eating, defecating, living and dying, dependent on what nature produces, and still try to imagine that it is our raison d'etre to 'subdue and use' what we are utterly and completely dependent on for life.
To paraphrase a Guarani poet - we are like a seaweed bed of humans, upside down, our heads in the mud with our legs drifting in the current (which a confused belief system has created).
I would also add the words of FDR "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". We're conditioned to fear small crazed 'terrorist' groups that would use the heinous tools that our technology has created and above all, to fear any change. Balderdash. Ingenious stasis? no- ingenuity and creativity are change. Change, like death and taxes is the one dependable aspect of life. When did that change? Ah yes, when Marduk dynamics claimed that we are already of the walking dead.
~ OLD GOAT ~
Your wise recollections of days of Babylon, remind me of similar issues and tails of SCHEHERAZADE and DAMOCLES:
============thanks wikipedia==============
The frame tale goes that every day Shahryar (Persian: شهريار or "king") would marry a new virgin, and every day he would send yesterday's wife to be beheaded. This was done in anger, having found out that his first wife was betraying him. He had killed three thousand such women by the time he was introduced to Scheherazade, the vizier's daughter.
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It is "she whose realm or dominion (شهر Å¡ahr) is noble (ازاد ÄzÄd)", that shines forth to thwart not not alone her own fragile life, but the cultural banishment of ALL that is NOBLE and true.
So we come to another full circle, from the "fertile crescent" that brings forth ancient cultural birth, to the possible near-term permanent end of human culture ( and existence ) through bloody war strewn folly.
What an irony that the tide of the battle of good vs. evil would find us today, looking upon the ground that turned Alexander's fortune, that might grind our own bones into dust.
SCHEHERAZADE learned to hold off the razor's appointed final moment, by graciously telling with spell-binding anticipation, the beautiful narratives of 'endless' life and love.
__ What a lesson for today's
__ "Sword of Damocles" of fear
__ driving us to the lunatic edge of existence:
============thanks wikipedia==============
The Damocles of the anecdote was an excessively flattering courtier in the court of Dionysius … He exclaimed that, as a great man of power and authority, Dionysius was truly fortunate. Dionysius offered to switch places with him for a day, so he could taste first hand that fortune. In the evening a banquet was held, where Damocles very much enjoyed being waited upon like a king.
Only at the end of the meal did he look up and notice a sharpened sword hanging by a single piece of horsehair directly above his head. Immediately, he lost all taste for the fine foods and asked leave of the tyrant, saying he no longer wanted to be so fortunate.
Dionysius had successfully conveyed a sense of the constant fear in which the great man lives.
Cicero adduces this exemplum as the last in a series of contrasting exemplars of the conclusion he had been building towards in this fifth Disputation, in which the theme is that virtue is sufficient for living a happy life. Cicero asks
__ "Does not Dionysius seem to have made
__ it sufficiently clear that there can be
__ nothing happy for the person over whom
__ some fear always looms?"
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¿ Perhaps the CORE of BELIEF ( of 5ooo years ), is that the unexamined life ( w/o ethics ) is NOT worth living ?
¿ Perhaps we must finally integrate the horns of the dilemma, or be gored into non-existence ?
¿ Perhaps we may transform ourselves into spiritual ( and innately moral ) BE'ings that happen to be living a physical existence, or we will loose it ALL ?
Namaste
« We must be the change we wish to see in the world » — Gandhi
« There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed » — Gandhi
« We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself » — ML King
Dry by 2025? Science or no science, this is one of my personal rivers, and it hurts. From 5000 miles away I can still see the Great Blue Heron at Devil's Racecourse Shoals. Thank you to the human beings who walked.
Thank you to the human beings who walked.
Thanks again to the Native and other people who walked and talked this way for the world's sake---Water might be understood as showing us especially well how the whole universe works, i.e., vibration, whatever you put into it (emphasize) you get more of...and that can mean good things or bad things---It's how you decide to play the great instrument.I wish non-Native American Westerners would realize that "we too" have a heritage of respect for nature, in the longest continuous period of peace and progress on the demonstrable record (archaeology etc.)---in and around Minoan Crete at least 3000-1400 BCE. Long before Homer or any of the "great patriarchs of history," we were mostly getting it right: respect and reverence for nature and across differences (everybody's got the same mother), gender equality, life getting richer spiritually as well as more comfortable each generation---and then male power began its long nightmarish experiment whose results we are facing in every direction now. http://ancientgreece-earlyamerica.com
"The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors." - Chief Seattle
http://www.barefootsworld.net/seattle.html
"This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself."
Save the water, yes. By all means. But,
"He discussed the way in which frozen water crystals seem to respond with pleasant formations to beautiful music; speeches by famous humanists such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; and exposure to pictures and encouraging words written on containers."
Sorry folk. The above is unadulterated bull crap and downright stupid.
~ JOZEF ~
Perhaps the bard has something to say ( about water ):
___ There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
___ Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
____( Hamlet Act 1, scene 5 )
Perhaps the Lao Tse has something to say ( about water ):
___ "In this world, there is nothing softer or thinner than water.
___ But to compel the hard and unyielding, it has no equal.
___ That the weak overcomes the strong, that the hard gives way
___ to the gentle -- this everyone knows.
___ Yet no one asks accordingly."
___ "The highest excellence is like (that of) water.
___ The excellence of water appears in its benefiting all things,
___ and in its occupying, without striving (to the contrary),
___ the low place which all men dislike. Hence (its way) is
___ near to (that of) the Tao.___ benefiting all and
___ flowing easily without effort."
___ ( Tao te Ching )
Perhaps Albert Szent-Gyorgyi has something to say ( about water ):
___ "Water is life's mater and matrix, mother and medium.
___ There is no life without water."
___ ( Hungarian Biochemist, 1937 Nobel Prize for Medicine )
Namaste
Good to see common dreams sharing more stories on Indigenous rights issues, because of course they are human rights issues.
There are many environmental and social justice issues that are impacting our Nations yet rarely get any notice from progressive independent media outlets.
The Longest Walk 2, a 5-month cross country journey for environmental protection and Native American rights is about to converge on Washington, DC. This is a historic action for our communities. I hope Common Dreams and other such information dissemination groups pro-actively give attention to actions such as this.
For the readers here, please visit: www.longestwalk.org.
homain said: "Doesn't sound like science to me. This is pseudo-science, end of discussion.
James Randi has a bit to say about it also,"
The only thing "Amazing" about James Randi is that he can find the floor with his feet in the morning. He is a professional debunker who takes money to come up with convoluted explanations to deny the obvious. He believes in nothing and has no credibility.
Hoka hey, to those walkers. There is nothing that is not alive in this universe. Everything is life energy in one form or another. When you fail to respect the blessings Creator has given you, they will be withheld.
the UN wont let em in! do they know the UN is cOrrupt?
There is a "fundamentalism" about science that tracks with religious fundamentalism. This is true about economics as well. There is a type of mind that cannot tolerate uncertainty.
The world of Spirit rests well in those who have a global learning style and much broader perspectives. Science is incorporated in the broad body of Spirit as another "part" of it. Spirit does not view science as exclusive and separate.
It is excess "fundamentalism" in science, religion, and economics that have narrowcasted our understandings and led us down a path of certainty, certain death.
Spirit is now working to broaden understandings, to once again broaden our beliefs in conservation, respect for nature, and the recognition that we are a part of nature and not masters of it. This clash of reactionary beliefs in fundamentalism, and mitigating growth in belief in Spirit, is where we find ourselves today. The very thought that it would be necessary to march on behalf of water speaks to the sobering extent that we have embraced fundamentalist beliefs. Soundly rejecting fundamentalism whether it be in science, economics, or religion is an absolute necessity to bring about a re-balancing and extend the human experience into the future.
American Indian Peoples inherently understand the sacredness of water. The thought that water could be comodified is anathema to Spirit and so far beyond irrationality that it is difficult to comprehend.
The Western belief system that embraces comodifying water also embraces the death of it's civilization. The rejection of fundamentalism as soon as possible is essential for our survival. Respect all things.
Why restrict the concept of water being 'alive' to metaphor ? Anything with the necessary life-giving and sustaining qualities of water cannot by definition itself be 'dead' . . .
Lots of this issue is linguistic because the indo-european languages in which most of us habitually think do not code for the concept that 'everything is alive', which unless you are at absolute zero degrees is literally true from a vibrational perspective as everything has a specific vibrational frequency . . . some languages, for example that of the Hopi, have these concepts built right into them . . .
Naturally we think that the statement 'water hears our words' sounds ludicrous from a reductionist, materialist perspective . . . BUT words are carrier waves for specific vibrational frequencies (which is why some cultures understand the deeply occult power inherent in words) . . . water is a medium which is sensitive to frequencies . . . in that sense it does 'hear' our words . . .
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for a wonderful thread. It is so heartening to read so much wisdom in one place, I am moved to tears of joy.
jozef---"Methinks you protest too much" Sorry---another bard's words probably does not suit you.
To all you wonderful others----your posts reach and touch those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. If that were everyone, we would not even have to be here again.
It is the indigenous peoples, the artists and the poets who have always stood up to defend/celebrate our Great Mother Gaia and all the LIFE she enfolds. Bless all of you who are warriors in defense of our Mother. She is awesome in her powers and will survive, but it feels good no matter what happens, to recognize what it is we stand for. My love and blessings to all!
"Water is alive, it hears our words."
All that is true, and more.
Here in northeast Iowa, water has been speaking out during the past week as dozens of communities, from villages to Iowa's second-largest city, have experienced unprecedented flooding.
Restoration and recovery will take years. The damage already costs in the billions.
What message is flood water delivering to us?
to wc652,,,the answer is the blackhawks suck,,,,ha ha, tis really just a matter of weather,,,,that might be affected by globel warming, or cloud seeding from sulphur dioxide, not just from corporate polluters but also from volcanic gases being released, like Mauna Loa, venting 200thousand tons now instead of 20thousand tons, of sulfur dioxide,, consideration, now Gaia, might just be trying to give itself a bath,,,,your state uses maga amounts of Pesticides and Commercial fertilizers, much washes down stream to the DEAD Zone of the Gulf,,,paybacks are hell, an eye for an eye living Planet,,,,we are all doommmmeeeedddd
I have thought for some time now that what we need is a new global sacrament: water. We need to start seeing water as sacred, a sacred gift for which we are individually responsible; that is, you never ever willingly pollute or abuse it. Not sure how that impinges on our use of toilets but maybe it is time to realize that without water there is nothing. We need to 'worship' water as a living expression of any deity we may acknowledge or, if we are atheists, at least an acknowledgement of its primal purity and importance.
For some reason this reminds me of another piece of Cherokee wisdom:
CHEROKEE WISDOM
Two Wolves
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.
He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:
"Which wolf wins?"
The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
This nation is feeding the wrong wolf.
jozef:
James Randi can't possibly provide scientific explanations because he's not a scientist, merely a former (read "failed") stage magician, who couldn't hack it. He takes money from people who want to debunk things, and the proof is that he has appeared on camera numerous times in questionable documentaries. Nobody does that for free.
"Water spirit springing springing round my head makes me feel glad that I'm not dead."Brewer and Shipley. Yes and being mostly water,hopefully we are are conscious too.Nice comment thread peace
ProudAmericanLiberal
There is no point in an ad hominem attack on James Randi.
My point is that 'Dr' Emoto is practicing pseudo-science.
Water isn't conscious. It's a molecule. It isn't listening to words, or feeling emotion. To even suggest that is ludicrous.
I'll say this again, it's pseudo-science, it's irrelevant, and it shouldn't be taken seriously.