"House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) suggested yesterday that engaging in a lengthy debate over impeaching Bush in the waning days of his administration is not a productive use of the House's time."

Yeah, right. I think the House's time is better served naming post offices and congratulating sports teams. There is NO better use of the House and Senate's time than impeaching bush and cheney, no matter if it's the last week of his term.

Call Pelosi...call your Congressperson...call Conyers...call your TV and radio station...DEMAND A DEBATE...DEMAND A DEBATE....PLEASE, do no let them sweep our Constitutional rightS under the carpet of the Judiciary Committee. DEMAND your representative DEBATE this issue. Bring the TRUTH to the floor of the HOUSE where NO ONE CAN HIDE!

Mr. Kucinich, I'm not at all clear over how the dissenters in the House shut you up last time out with your intent to impeach; I hope they are not successful this time. Hang in there you are doing a good thing.

Mr. Hoyer, Could it be that you would rather the House spend more time garnering more kickbacks from the lobbyists that take y'all to lunch? Your corruption starts with the first free cigar. Time for you to live up to the oath you swore.

Impeaching George and Dick should have been the first order of business in Congress back in January 2007. Now there are Congress people who believe that George is almost out of office anyhow so why impeach him. The reason is because both George and Dick has committed impeachable offenses. It does not matter how much time one has left in their respective posts. I do not recall anywhere in the USA Constitution where time in office has relevency in regards to impeachment. In other words, the DUTY of ALL Congress people is to impeach both the President and Vice President for their actions while in office...and perhaps others as well.

Bottom line...if elected officials do not do their job and disgrace their positions by ways of not adhering to the USA Constitution, said elected officials should, at minimum, lose their jobs.

"They expect to table the resolution (and the constitution and bill of rights) by referring it to the Judiciary Committee, where they expect it (and government of, by and for the people) to die."

Nancy Pelosi should be tarred and feathered, and her cohort of obstructionist corporate whores along with her. I am so sick and tired of this bullshit, and the million+ dead Iraqi's...well what can I say? They were murdered by Bush and this complicit congress. It's all so disgusting.

Those who fail to support impeachment risk being complicit in the war crimes of the Bush administration. Those who do nothing to stop the crimes of Bush and his people are as guilty as those who committed the crimes in the first place, crimes that are ongoing at this time.

they impeached Clinton have i got that correct...? over an act of sexual impropriety which he then lied about..yet they can't impeach bush over an illegal war which he never stopped lying about....Hmmmm too big a can of worms to open..perhaps...

It's almost unbelievable that such horrendous crimes can go ignored and unpunished by more than five hundred members of Congress for so many years. Citizens, meanwhile, have been jailed for as little as wearing a tee shirt that criticizes Bush's policy.

"Impeachment, ...not a productive use of the House's time." Hoyer was further heard to remark, "It's come to mine and Speaker Pelosi's attention that professional Wrestling may be fixed. We and the entire coalition will not cease in our efforts to expose this most egregious fraud. "There may be drug use involved as well", Pelosi added, "hearings are scheduled, subpoenas will be issued."

It's enough to make me wish there were such a thing as a citizens impeachment. Wouldn't that be great, 1 million of us show up at the white house and drag that sob out in handcuffs. Wiat a minute, why can't we?

Bush isnt impeached because the Dimocrats support what he does--just not the method of how he does it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?everyman&1

Impeach the bitch!

At times when I've lost almost all hope that there is a human being in our government who is just, honest, and brave....along comes Kucinich. Each time I lose hope, there he is again to put the hope and faith back in me.

Bless you, Dennis J. Kucinich. You are man who isn't afraid to work for the people of this country and the people of the world. You stand bravely and staunchly against the worst of human qualities and show us the proper and right way to behave in this world.

Even though you seemingly stand almost alone, you carry the sword of courage. You aren't alone, though. The people stand with you.

As I've noted before in one of these discussion forums, the reason the Democrats will do everything they can to not impeach Bush or Cheney is that they think they will win in November and inherit the imperial, unitary Executive branch for themselves, and for at least 8 years. The promise of wielding Power of this magnitude (and becoming the recipients of material wealth that will surely follow to the well-connected) is tantalizing; it paralyzes reason and will. For the corporatist parties like the Dems, recourse to guidance from a moral compass has seldom been in evidence, so don't expect an impeachment to happen because "it's the right thing to do."

For those of us not too self-deceived to see what's really going on, the last illusion that this US is a functioning democracy has just been dispelled.

Perhaps the coming economic crash will serve as a wake-up call for those who insist on dreaming all's well with the republic. The can of worms that will open up then will be huge...

Hoyer, longtime Lockheed Martin employee and staunch ally of the outlaw administration, rises to the defense of the MIC. What they say goes, don't waste his time!

Here are the names of the Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee. They have also earlier buried the Articles against VP Cheney. Only Rep. Wexler has signed on to Kucinich's Articles against Bush. Throw the other rascals out in November. Their Republican opponents are undoubtedly terrible political troglodytes but at least they are not hypocritical bums on impeachment. While it is indeed too late for an full impeachment inquiry to take its course, it is not too late to understand that history will harshly judge the cowardice of these "honorables."

Dishonorable (etc) Conyers, Berman, Boucher, Nader, Scott, Watt, Lofgren, Jackson Lee, Waters, Delahunt, Sanchez, Cohen, Johnson, Sutton, Guitierrez, Sherman, Baldwin, Weiner, Schiff, Davis, Wasseman Schulz (maybe not, she publicly supports Dennis), Ellison.

Will some of you knee-jerk Democratic Party voters please remind us once again why the sold-out war-mongering corporate-imperialist Democrats are any better than the sold-out war-mongering corporate-imperialist Republicans, and explain why you wouldn't "waste" your vote on Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney?

Do you really believe that "change you can believe in" is going to come from THESE PEOPLE or any candidate they would anoint?

Thank you Congressman Kucinich. A true profile in courage.

whats the opposite of PROgress?

CONgress

Well, at the very least, the impeachment process just might keep Bush and cronies too busy to attack Iran, etc.

And wasting time on legislation to be filibustered by the Repubs is not a waste of time? Come on now. Since legislation is not to be realistically expected, use the time to impeach. The choice is a legacy of failure to produce legislation (a "do nothing" session, in the words of Trent Lott) of a failed, but constitutionally honorable, and perhaps mandated, impeachment effort.

The only argument against this is full criminal prosecution, which remains an option long after this gang leaves office.

Amen.

It takes guts. As my mailman, an old cowboy, put it when I asked why he didn't wear gloves and a respirator like the other postmen, for months, after the Anthrax attacks: "Nah. I figure the Republicans did it." Basically, only Democrats got anthrax letters.

Hitler rose to power as it became known that people who opposed him were beaten, killed or otherwise destroyed. Families (as in Valerie Plame) are targeted.

Kucinich until recently was unmarried, and has no children as of yet, I believe. He was always, therefore, in a position to be more brave than anyone with a family.

"Plumo or Plata" is the Spanish formula: "Lead or Silver". It's the offer made to any official from lowly border guard to Congress-Critter who might be of service to the crime syndicates. The offer is also payable to your daughter.

Now, to carefully preface my final paragraph (far below):

I know and love more about Judaism than most anyone who support this war. Albert Einstein (P.192, "Ideas and Opinions") opposed establishment of a Jewish state with temporal powers, for fear that it would tend to diminish, even destroy the essential spirituality of Judaism.

EINSTEIN: "We are no longer the Jews of the Maccabee period.

EINSTEIN: "A return to a nation in the political sense of the word would be equivalent to turning away from the spiritualization of our community which we owe to the genius of our prophets."

Einstein's predictions once again prove correct, accompanying Eisenhower's warning about the "Military-Industrial Complex."
Israel and America no longer presently stand for the best in Judaism, Christianity and humanity, but for the opposite.

Definitions:

No matter whom it may serve, Nazi is as Nazi does: i.e. secret prisons, torture, big lies, death camps, demonization of an entire dusky middle-Eastern population, and above all, PROFITABLE WAR--war, for any "reason," or for no reason.

Definitions:

(1) Sex whore=goes looking for sex with anyone for money, and fakes the passion

(2) War whore=goes looking for war with anyone for money, and fakes the passion

Definitions:

Zionism=belief that there should be a country where Jews rule, and are held high above all others. As un-American a concept as Saudi Arabia's system, where Muslim sit supreme.

Now, final paragraph:

This war-whore/Zion Nazi crime syndicate currently possessing America's and Israel's administrations is perfectly happy to kill millions. It professionally starts and prolongs wars as profitable enterprise. Their money is unlimited, and opposed only by individual conscience with willingness to face deadly danger. Kucinich's wife already knew the score when she married him. May God protect them and their families, and may a grain of their courage be found in the hearts of all Americans. Call your Congress-critter today. May this impeachment occur and be tried to its proper conclusion.

Impeach the Sneaks!!!

Impeachment is Patriotic. Do it.

Keeping Steny Hoyer in office is not a productive use of time!

You would think that an important story like this would be covered in Dennis' hometown newspaper, the Cleveland Plain Dealer http://www.plaindealer.com/contact/contact_edit.php, it being of both local and national interest. No. I looked in vain in the electronic edition using the search function, and I talked to a person who read the print version. No report.

So I called the editor

Susan Goldberg
sgoldberg@plaind.com
216.999.4123

and managed to speak to a live person. She was aware of the story but could not answer why it was not in the Plain Dealer. The editor was in a meeting, unavailable, but the lady I spoke to took my number and promised a return call. I said that I wanted to know WHY such an important story about the local congressman was not covered.

I also complained that no coverage of the dock worker's strike on May 1 was found in the paper and that I want to know WHY that story was not covered, considering that every port on the west coast was closed for the day.

I'll let you know if I receive a response.

Did you watch Prof. Jonathan Turley on Countdown this week? A constitutional scholar, he made it clear that Bush (and Cheney) are utterly impeachable on a large number of counts.

That being said, I am VERY WORRIED about the idea of starting impeachment proceedings. It is hard to imagine that these two men, who have perpetrated so many criminal and unconstitutional acts, would be able to resist a "wag the dog" scenario regarding Iran. Most CD readers are well-educated and aware: how many of you out there think we could stop B&C from attacking Iran if their backs were to the wall? This is the stuff of nightmares!

I believe we should devote all our energies to preventing an attack on Iran (or any other nation) -- and let the international community dispense justice to these two men after they leave office.

Beyond all the easy, flaming language, Boeing and Lockheed support these politicians and have been doing so for a long time.
Are you ready to do the same...can a politician believe in and count on your continued support?
Will you even vote?
Do our countrymen even know the three branches of government?
Begin to do that, and maybe you can begin to impeach.

Throughout the illegal occupation of Iraq, Jonathan Turley repeatedly has made it clear Bush and Cheney broke several laws that are impeachable offenses. He indeed is a terrific scholar and professor who speaks the truth and my opinion, should appear on Corporate Media networks other than MSNBC instead of these retired generals who are paid to lie to the public. But to his credit, Turley is smart enough to avoid appearing on the other networks and going along with the status quo.

ToeBot posted:
"Impeachment, …not a productive use of the House's time." Hoyer was further heard to remark, "It's come to mine and Speaker Pelosi's attention that professional Wrestling may be fixed. We and the entire coalition will not cease in our efforts to expose this most egregious fraud. "There may be drug use involved as well", Pelosi added, "hearings are scheduled, subpoenas will be issued."

If that isn't proof of active complicity with the fascists, nothing is. Clearly the US government is simply a group of corrupt cronies...not news...

When the shit hits the fan and some of these people are held accountable, they aren't going to like it. As much as I do not like violence, I am wondering if it is inevitable.

Wouldn't we love to see them all impeached as of yesterday?

Though they might attack Iran anyway, impeachment could put them against the wall with no other recourse but to do it to deflect attention in which case we might wait until they are out of office hoping that McCain loses and won't pardon the bastards.

Eloquent posters here have discussed the problems of putting all our eggs into the Obama basket. Since things are up in the air, we could be performing some positive actions meantime and I don't necessarily mean taking to the streets for demonstrations that would likely be ignored by the corporate media.

Here is a better idea. Let's swamp Obama's offices with emails and letters urging him to adopt Senator Gravel's National Initiative for Democracy at:

http://www.nationalinitiative.us/

We cannot depend on compromised politicians. By adopting this initiative, We the People will become the lawmakers via the referendum. One big advantage for Obama would be that by stepping aside and letting the people decide things, he would not answer to AIPAC, to the MIC, to Big Energy, Big Money or to the oligarchy in general. It would be his best assassination insurance. It's worked very well for the Swiss and it is working very well for Chavez.

Please call, write, or email Obama and urge him to adopt the NI4D.

obama.senate.gov/

House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.)
1705 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone - (202) 225-4131
Fax - (202) 225-4300

give him a call, show how he isn't wasting his time.

AdeleTheCzech asks at 1:58pm,

"how many of you out there think we could stop B&C from attacking Iran if their backs were to the wall?"

putting their backs to the wall is the right thing to do, for too many good reasons to mention yet again. if they attack iran, it will be their own doing, not ours. are you suggesting we give them a pass on their grievous insults to our constitution because they might do even worse? nonsense.

Okay, MY MISTAKE!!

My call was returned, and the story, with big title letters, is on page A7! I got ahold of a copy, and there it is. I guess I'm just not skilled in using the search function on the web site. My apologies to the editor for jumping to conclusions.

For the other story about the dock workers, the lady who returned my call could find no record of a report.

I would like to say "All's well with the world," but I still have a few complaints, as does Dennis, and I'll try to make sure they're all reported.

Nancy Pelosi is the watchdog guarding the gate.
She is bought and paid for to block any impeachment attempt against bush or Cheney.
The meaning of "off the table" is: "There is no crime that Mr. bush or Mr. Cheney could commit that would merit impeachment."
Nancy Pelosi refuses to do her job and has admitted that will continue to refuse to do her job. This GROSS violation of her oath of office warrants immediate removal from her post. After she is fired, criminal proceedings against Ms. Pelosi should be considered. (The main being Obstruction of Justice).
Once Nancy Pelosi is bagging groceries at Wal-Mart, impeachment proceedings should be brought against the senior White House officials.

hey steny,
your job is exactly what WE THE PEOPLE tell you it is.

or find a new job.

Adele, what I meant was that it may be better to wait until they are out of office and then to criminally prosecute them all when the Dems control three branches of government and the Reps have lost the power to save their collective asses. Power they have shown in recent actions like defeating environmental legislation.

In fact, if Obama was to put the imminent Iran invasion issue up for referendum now, before the election, it would certainly defuse it because it's the people's demonstrated will. A binding referendum would bypass the actions of regressive conservative pols in both parties. And so with many other issues.

Thanks for standing up for the US Constitution Dennis.

Truthseeker58 June 11th, 2008 12:50 pm

"At times when I've lost almost all hope that there is a human being in our government who is just, honest, and brave….along comes Kucinich. Each time I lose hope, there he is again to put the hope and faith back in me."

Kucinich is the ONLY politician I have sent money to over the last few years in support of his campaigns!

Is Pelosi on drugs?

God Bless Dennis Kucinich. It's a damn shame that Kucinich's fellow Democrats prefer to collude with the Bush dictatorship instead.

The House just voted - virtually all democrats, like 227, referred the resolution to committee to die like last year's impeachment resolution against Cheney. Cowards - the whole lot of them.

If you think the Dems will prosecute after they take power, then you haven't been paying attention.

Note how the Dem leadership is the force that is actively blocking any impeachment now. There is certainly a case that is worthy of at least the first step of investigative hearings. Its the Dem leadership that has publically promised back in 06 that there would absolutely no impeachment (regardless of evidence). Thus its the Dem leadership that's been actively protecting Bush and Cheney for the last year and a half and making sure they finish out their terms.

Have you at any point heard specific references from Obama about vigorous prosecution of Bush officials? Don't fill in your own dreams of what will happen. Instead you must ask if you've heard Obama promise this? I don't think I have, but I'd love it if someone can point me to an exact quote from Obama where he clearly promises this.

In fact, I think if you listen to what Obama actually says, that he's coming very close to promising that this won't happen. His vague stump speech chatter at least to usually include phrases along the line that unity is good and divisiveness is bad. And he has at several points in time come very close to making it a firm promise that he'll have Republicans in his cabinet. Now, does that sound like a President who is going to aggressively prosecute Bush, Cheney and that crowd? I think not.

My prediction is that you'll hear President Obama quickly declare that divisiveness is bad and that we should look to the future and not the past. In doing so he will essentially declare that there will be no prosecutions nor even real investigations of the crimes of the Bush era. In short, everyone in the Bush administration gets off scott free if Obama is the President.

Now, if you elect a Green President and Green majorities in Congress, then you'll get what you war asking for. But please don't be deluded into thinking that voting Democrat in anyway leads to the prosecution of Bush and his crowd. It won't happen. No Democrat has said it will happen. And we have the track record of both this Congress not persuing impeachment and the Clinton era refusing to prosecution the first batch of Reagan\Bush criminals as firm evidence of what to expect.

If you want to see Bush, Cheney et al prosecuted, then vote Green.

Pelosi is doing exactly what she promised to do, back in 2006, months before the 2006 elections.

In my mind, the Dem leadership made two promises to the big money that was previously backing Bush in order to gain power. One was that there would be no impeachment. The other was that war funding would not be cut. These were made back when it was first becoming clear months before the last election that the Dems would likely take power. And I think they were both part of the back-room deal where that was allowed to happen.

The Dem leadership has been very clear on this. It has nothing to do with evidence. In fact a promise never to investigate no matter what evidence might emerge is clearly a statement that legal evidence does not matter.

The Dem leadership has clearly stated that their own dreams of power are more important than the Constitution, than the rule of law, than their own supposedly solemn oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution. This is what you get when you vote Democrat. They clearly don't care about what's good for the country, they only care about what's good for them.

The part that baffles me is that even though Reid and Pelosi clearly announced that they would not persue impeachment months before the last election. But apparently millions voted Democrat still expecting impeachment? Such a denial of clearly stated intentions is amazing.

And we are seeing it again as Obama has clearly stated he won't withdraw from Irag, but it seems millions will vote for him in the mistaken belief that it will the war. It appears that in order to be a Democratic voter you must have to have your ears stuffed full of wax so you can't listen to what the Dems are clearly saying that they won't do even if elected.

Its a vote of the members of the House that determines the Speaker. Its also a vote of members of the House that can remove a member from that body.

You just saw all the Democrats just line up and approve of what Pelosi is doing.

Thus, if you want Pelosi removed from either the Speakership or her House seat, then you must elect members of Congress who will do this. And this now clearly does not mean electing Democrats. If you want this, you must elect members of Congress who are not beholden to these same interests. This means you must stop voting Democrat.

To remove Ms. Pelosi from Congress, the most straightforward method is to support Cindy Sheehan's independent campaign to defeat Ms. Pelosi in her district. That not only would remove Ms. Pelosi from the Speakership and her House seat, but it would send a very powerful message as it is unheard of for a Speaker to lose an election like that.

www.cindyforcongress.org

I'd suggest finding time to go to SF for the last weeks of the campaign to volunteer if you really want Ms. Pelosi to go home.

IF Kucinich had done this last year, that would have been a 'profile in courage'. Last year this might have mattered. Now its too late and its just media showboating. Which is why Pelosi et al are letting it happen now. Its too late and they know they've successfully 'run out the clock'. So, they are happy to get a couple cheap headlines that perpetuate the farce that the Dems are actually an opposition, and they know it won't amount to anything.

Actually Samson, as a Democratic voter, you don't even have to use your brain. Just drink the kool aid and all will be well. Ignorance is the opiate for many among the masses.

And even though I do not live in Cindy Sheehan's district, I send her campaign money.

35 articles of impeachment and the Washington Post couldn't even list one of them in their stingy little "report"!

NOW HERE THIS!!! NO SURPRISES!!!
http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/11/house-voting-to-send-impeachment-resolution-to-judiciary-committee/

fuck this whole fucking system!!! I'm dropping out!!!