The Fallacy of Islamic 'National Suicide'
Not only is the neocon incantation wrong, it's also a dangerous idea that could be used to justify more preemptive wars.
Anew buzzword is arising from the network of Israeli think tanks and security-oriented academic departments bent on instigating a U.S. attack on Iran: "national suicide." The term describes a supposed Arab Muslim tradition of politically motivated suicide at the national, not just individual, level. Arab Muslim regimes have purportedly launched ruinous wars they could not have reasonably hoped to win, condemning their nations to destruction.
The notion of an "irrational" and thus untrustworthy Iranian regime has already been widely discussed in the U.S. It is regularly invoked by Sen. John McCain on the stump. The term "national suicide" advances the notion and gives it a patina of academic respectability.
Israeli jurist and former Knesset member Amnon Rubinstein recently editorialized on "national suicide" in the Jerusalem Post. Citing Israeli army Lt. Col. Ari Bar Yossef, Rubinstein offered Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat and the Taliban in Afghanistan as exemplars of this new construct. Hussein could have avoided overthrow by giving U.N. arms inspectors free rein to search his country. Arafat, after the failure of the Camp David peace talks, could have continued negotiating but resorted to violence. Finally, the Taliban could have given up Osama bin Laden to the U.S. but instead invited self-destruction. All this because, per Rubinstein, these leaders prefer dying to "negotiating with infidels."
"National suicide" will soon be an incantation by neoconservative and other pro-Israeli pundits and politicians on the "bomb Iran" bandwagon. Its strategic implications are clear: We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation. Therefore, extraordinary actions -- such as preemptive attack -- may be not only justified but necessary. It further shifts moral responsibility to the victim. In the "national suicide" formulation, it is the martyr that chooses death, while the actual killers are merely the instrument by which the suicide -- or, as the case may be, the destruction of a country -- is carried out.
Yet the idea of an Arab Muslim tendency toward self-destruction is wrongheaded and dangerous.
"National suicide" is easier to believe in if you're willing to lump all Arabs and all Muslims into a single mind-set. For example, the Palestinian national movement under Arafat was staunchly secular; members of the non-Arab Taliban are Islamist extremists. The concept elides the enormous diversity within the Arab and Muslim worlds and ignores the local particularities of their multifarious -- and sometimes ideologically opposed -- political movements. A hint of these intra-regional tensions was displayed in Bin Laden's recent audiotape denouncing Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah.
What of the supposed examples of "national suicide"? In fact, Hussein allowed U.N. inspectors relatively unfettered access to his country -- belatedly, to be sure, and under pressure from the international community. But by then the neoconservative push for war had already reached inevitability -- the facts be damned.
Arafat, for his part, continued negotiating after Camp David in Taba and never chose to ignite the second intifada. The uprising was sparked by Ariel Sharon's provocative visit to the Al Aqsa mosque and was fueled by Palestinians' sense of betrayal over a peace process that brought no peace but doubled the number of Israeli settlers on their land. The "Arafat chose violence" canard was rejected by the Mitchell report. Ami Ayalon, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, concluded: "Yasser Arafat neither prepared nor triggered the intifada."
Finally, if members of the Taliban committed suicide, they are an uncommonly vigorous corpse. They are still hanging tough and continue to resist the U.S. on the battlefield.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a convenient whipping boy. He has frequently predicted Israel's eventual demise, and yet -- accurately translated -- he has not threatened it with offensive attack. Nor does he command the country's armed forces.
Israel, with an estimated 100 to 200 nuclear warheads, should fear no existential threat from Iran. But Iran is a source of inspiration and material support to Hezbollah and Hamas, two forces that harass Israel and impede its regional hegemony. Israel's local challenges are insufficient to justify a U.S. strike on Iran -- thus the need to gin up "national suicide" and the specter of nuclear Armageddon.
Iran is a nation of 70 million people, many of them discontented with their government's performance. Nothing would unite and rally them around the current regime better than a foreign attack.
We dearly need sobriety and responsible conduct in our relations with Iran and the broader Middle East. We do not need another reckless venture impelled by fanciful terms and politically motivated spin.
George Bisharat is a professor at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco and writes frequently on law and politics in the Middle East.
Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times
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25 Comments so far
Show Allkilgore trout sorry for pissing you off with my comment but it is true.
Billions of dollars in other stable countries are spent trying to stop the muslim coutries from blowing each other up while encouraging them to keep the dark ages relgion in political power.
Even though i know almost every country is ruled by religion the dont use it as a direct excuse for murder. Not all muslims are bad, but no effort should be put in place to stop the bad ones killing each other as long as no unbrainwashed innocents are killed.
Im not a racist, just hate religion and find that if people want to kill each other over it then stay out of there country and let them. Im also a FEMALE AUSTRALIAN, not american or male.
The psuedo-logic of "National Suicide" sounds similar to that advanced by apologists for spousal abusers. "Honest, your honor, it was 'marital suicide.' She wanted me to kill her, or she wouldn't have talked back." Hey, it might work if you get a Bush-appointed judge...
What a maddening article.
The author make a few good good points, but apparently he would have entered the naked-emperor zome of journalism if he had refuted Rubensteins ridiculous arguments:
1. Saddam was in fact bending over backward to comply with UN inspection requirements in the run up to the war;
2. Arafat stonewalled at Camp David because the so-called "generous offer" failed to meet the most minimum requirements for a genuinely free Palestine; and,
3. The Taliban would have been happy to help the US get Bin Laden - they only asked for the US to supply evidence that he comitted the crime. This sounds reasonable to me. Food and development aid for the desperately poor Afghans would probably have brought them around too.
I also am at a loss for words (mega-hypocritical psychopathic chutzpah?) to describe the stunningly sick rationalization whereby a mass murderer (US/Israel) calls it's victims "suicidal" because they choose to defend themselves, over being forced on their knees (and usually getting murdered anyway).
A pre-emptive war on a group of people bent on "national suicide" is considered a rational policy? What's next? Sending sadists in to treat masochists?
Actually, the best reason for preventing Iran from gaining nuclear weapons is the possibility that they might someday elevate to power an individual as ignorant, as detached from reality and as sociopathic as George W. Bush. Funny that the neo-cons don't raise this argument.
SSW "Just let the muslims kill each other to lower the population problem and to shut them up." WTF dude.
Yeah, as long as it's brown people, most AmeriKKans don't give a shit. It's less than 1% of the Muslim world that are "terrorist" but they condemn the other 99% because they so willing drank the coolaid.
Some f*!#wads should be made to travel, so they can see that other people are pretty much the same as you and me.
Oh, and by the way, nobody but nobody kills each other as much as the good ol' US of A. At appox 12,000 homicides a year; year in year out; were NO. 1.
National Suicide? How about the US & Israel: if they are not self-destructing before our very eyes, I'll be darned.
Fox News, HaAretz (pardon my spelling), neoCONS....Satan's Pentagon.
Any musicians out there wanna start protest band-I play guitar and piano.....let's rock this govt., on it's heels-Peacefully.
oh what the hell i'm going to have a bit of fun with this one..
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
ok...IS it irrational to NOT be deterred by threat of annihilation?
apparently this depends on wether you are Bruce Willis or not..
if you see what i mean ....
one man's irrationality is another man's heroism
everything from a little old lady who resists the attempt of an armed mugger to steal her pension...to the UK fighting the Battle of Britain..or remember the Alamo....Roukes Drift...etc etc.
it exposes the rotting corpse at the heart of a culture that relys on violence to define it's heroism....it deals with the very concept that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...etc
what it says is that if any-one on the face of the planet does not immediately comply with the wishes of another who threatens them with destruction ...then this must be percieved as "irrational" behaviour..lol
a culture that claims to not be able to understand resistance to fear and intimidation..claims to find standing firm in the face of almost certain death "irrational"...whilst at the same time constantly glorifying such behaviour in it's media....and within the very life blood of it's nation
what the heck are the war memorials actualy saying?? these men and women stood firm in the face and indeed the threat of death..are we to now assume that all the men and women who have died in war did so because they were "irrational"
oh yeah it's beaut..there is so much milage here that you could spend decades exploiting it to disempower the "back room boys"
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
the war mongers just handed you their balls on a plate...
the only way they can counter this argument is by entering into a debate that will in itself undermine their position...because it is a debate that they just cannot afford to have publicaly...there are too many spin off issues that emmit from this statement
hours of fun for all the family
lol you know i reckon that's it right there..
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
if ever there was a slogan custom made for the climate change lobby and one that could be usurped to counter and shame the right wings underhand rhetoric..it that one..
a billion people waving banners declaring that
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
ramm it down their throats over and over and over again...make them so sick of the sight of it ..so sick of hearing it...that they can no longer say it out loud themselves without being greeted with a thunderous calvacade of mocking laughter...
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
no your absolutely right...we can't...
sometimes they drop the ball right in your lap...
bumper stickers..t-shirts...cofee mugs..letter heads..badges...baseball caps...monographed pens...book covers...
it's got real power that statement..more so because they said it themselves..and because it is both an honest declaration of the entire governmental stance and a complete admission of the same governments hypocracy ..it exposes the soul of the government...and it is the truth..
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
Just let the muslims kill each other to lower the population problem and to shut them up.
As long as the Americans stay out of the assorted and non stop wars in the middle east (amazingly america doesnt cause them all)then nobody that matters will be harmed.
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Arabic is a language not a race and many more languages call Islam their religion. I find this "national suicide" term ironic. Firstly, doesn't "politically motivated suicide at the national level" describe the US adventurism in Iraq and Afghanistan? Secondly isn't that same term also an appropriate one to describe the lunatic fringes of the politicised Fundamentalist Christian Right Wing Evangelical Movement as they rush headlong towards Armageddon?
Arabic is a language not a race and many more languages call Islam their religion. I find this "national suicide" term ironic. Firstly, doesn't "politically motivated suicide at the national level" describe the US adventurism in Iraq and Afghanistan? Secondly isn't that same term also an appropriate one to describe the lunatic fringes of the politicised Fundamentalist Christian Right Wing Evangelical Movement as they rush headlong towards Armageddon?
This type of talk is insane by the type of people who do not care for the truth.
The Middle East is a great place with great people. Middle Eastern hospitality is legendary, Iranians in particular, though I found the Syrians hard to beat, but you would never know it from the Western media.
I even liked visiting Israel, and many Israeli we met were wonderful. Although had a run-in with some Palestinians in Israel but they were teens and it could have easily happened in Montreal this spring with the rioting after one of the hockey games, wrong place wrong time.
Found this article which pretty much confirms what I beleive regarding the misconceptions.
Sun, 01 Jun 2008
Chris de Burgh at a news conference in Tehran
After a four-day visit to the Iranian capital, the Irish legend Chris de Burgh has called Iran the most secure country in the world.
Mohsen Rajabpour, managing director of Taraneh Sharqi Cultural and Artistic Company and Chris de Burgh' host in Tehran, said the Irish rock star is surprised at the contrast between the Western media propaganda and the reality in Iran.
"Before coming to Iran, Burgh had assumed that Iranians would be carrying guns in the streets. However, Burgh said neither the people nor the police carried guns in Iran. He even joked that the only one carrying a weapon was the statue of a soldier in a square," manager of the Arian band said.
Chris de Burgh holding a placard with his name written in Persian and English
"Since Chris de Burgh described Tehran more secure than Los Angeles and London, he asked for no bodyguards. He noted a previous trip to Russia, where four bodyguards had been watching over his security," Rajabpour added.
ChrisB- Glad you mentioned M.A.D. Mutual Assured Destruction. That was/is the U.S.' official policy of national suicide.
Masada is a myth. Nachman Ben-Yehuda, who unearthed the spurious scholarship of "the most celebrated [Israeli] archaeologist, the late Yigael Yadin", described Masada as "a scheme of distortion which was aimed at providing Israelis with a spurious historical narrative of heroism."
From the people who brought you Masada....
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
lets not get started on the possibility of annihilation from climate change...i mean..gawd...no no..of course no...no threat at all there none what so ever...doesn't it just make you want to weep...here we go again...ok come on Doctor Stranglove....it's your gig again...arghhhh
National suicide pretty well describes the fate of a nation hooked on Oil and War (with a president who believes in "Rapture"): the US of A.
"National suicide" will soon be an incantation by neoconservative and other pro-"Israeli pundits and politicians on the "bomb Iran" bandwagon. Its strategic implications are clear: We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation. Therefore, extraordinary actions — such as preemptive attack — may be not only justified but necessary. It further shifts moral responsibility to the victim. In the "national suicide" formulation, it is the martyr that chooses death, while the actual killers are merely the instrument by which the suicide — or, as the case may be, the destruction of a country — is carried out."
one can almost imagine this sort of logic pouring out of the mouth of a serial killer in a court room..
anybody remember the famous speech by Winston Churchill
"we will fight them on the beaches....we will NEVER surrender"??
was he being irrational??
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
look i know it's a take on the old cold war M.A.D. statergy and it specificaly refers to the nuclear weapon situation....but anybody who lived through the cold war knows that M.A.D. was in fact MAD even if it did work...the fact that the same strategy will perhaps not work on Iran and the myriad other countrys that over the course of the century will allmost certainly make their own bid for nuclear weapons...nuclear weapons will not be the most powerfull weapons we have for ever...there will be other more powerfull weapons sooner or later...and so on untill the end of time...(if we survive)
diplomacy no matter what the cost.....is no less valid than mutualy assured destruction....who the hell even wants to live under the rule of folks who can't come up with anything better than cold war M.A.D. policys..
so ok then..yup diplomactic soloutions no matter what the cost....id don't give a shit who wins the argument as long as it is just that..an argument.not thermonuclear war..right?? they can shove war ...justified or other wise...holy or other wise... up their ass
lock the world leaders in a bunker and do not let them out again untill they have reached a diplomatic soloution...if they refuse to reach a diplomatic soloution threaten to throw in a hand grenade...if that doesnt work
"We can't trust irrational regimes because they are not deterred by threat of annihilation."
well....etc
Jesus Christ. Reducing the desired enemy to an "irrational" monster suicidally bent on the destruction of your "innocent families" is, of course, exactly how the ancient Israelites took over in the first place; and it worked so well (pardon the expression) that the Puritans and other colonists made it fly from early New England to Vietnam and back....Oh, no, the "irrational" have NO motives for what they do or feel---it's all about ME! Do not let these greedy fascists fool anybody---they know exactly what they are doing....And as said, there is ALREADY MORE THAN ENOUGH nuclear deterrent for anybody to fry themselves in trying anything..."Missile defense"? Gimme a fucking break.
Every authoritative report I have read over the last decade claims that the Israelis have between 150 and 300 nuclear weapons, i.e., Atomic Bombs. No nation, even one with as braindead and reactionary a government as the one in Iran, is going to attack Israel head on . . . with spitballs, A-bombs or anything else, knowing that the retaliation would leave a blackened wasteland in which not even the insects would survive.
Absurd exegeses of theological minutiae are stock-in-trade for Neocon propagandists whenever two minute hate is called for. The father of the 'Clash of Civilizations' thesis is also known for stiffening the Veep's back with such advice (search for 'chestnut').
Interesting, is it not, how adept Isreal seems to be in attributing its own propensities to others. The so-called Samson option sound quite like national suicide to me, although it must be admitted that taking the rest of the world with you does add a certain vindictive flavor to the enterprise.
Guess what lone superpower's deranged government "launched ruinous wars they could not have reasonably hoped to win, condemning their nations to destruction?"